AI ..... Intelligently forms up dogs into narrow column and piercing front line to hit vulnerable ranged units .... while at the same time sending 80% of the army to park and stare at a flying unit. lmao
Are you new here? The AI focusing on single targets with large chunks of its army is a feature of VH battle difficulty, because the AI is statistically prioritising everything it can, which is extremely exploitable. Ironically, on Normal battle difficulty, the AI doesn't do that, which results is a more chaotic and actually harder experience a lot of the time.
@@mattandrews2594 often times you can exploit the AI being dumb on normal diff too. Actually you have to fight very differently on normal and on very hard diff. I wouldn't say normal diff is harder, you just need different ways to exploit the AI. It might look harder because you are watching legend exploit AI and using cheesy tactics on VH, so you can implement the same in your games, but you probably aren't watching anyone doing the same on normal, so you have to find those things yourself.
@@Axymoon Firstly I didn't say that Normal was exclusively harder than VH. The AI stat cheats go a long way in providing a tough challenge (which I don't really like as a way of introducing difficulty but that's a separate issue). What does Normal/H difficulty unquestionably provides is a more unpredictable, enjoyable experience because the AI behaves in a less exploitable way. Ask yourself why you rarely see dangerous, mass enemy army charges in these Legend challenges that I see all the time on Normal. Sure there are still things you can bait the AI to do on the lower difficulties, but it's mostly the same things that VH AI would also fall for.
This was my campaign! I managed to do it myself eventually, and even killed Archaon, and my army was in shambles. But HOLY was that a masterclass of how to absolutely stomp the AI. Yeah, you absolutely crushed it mate. side note: yuan bo, and cathay has pretty good economy. At I at that turn, I had pretty much painted a third of the map green, and fielded like 20 armies. Also cheekily stole a few life mages from Alberic for that sweet healing for a moonbird doomstack :P
@@dontgankmebruv7273 If it starts the battle on the ground the current AI still thinks of them as cav. If it starts the battle flying though, they will ignore it the whole battle unless they're ranged units.
I'm kind of surprised that Legend forgot about the Celestial Dragon Crossbow's RoR ability. Reduces block chance, armor, and missile resistance. Would have made killing Harold and Archaon just that much faster. Between that and the Crane Gunners, it's -48% block chance.
If the AI has to get a ton of cheats and give you debuffs to be 'legendary' difficulty...then at that point I feel abusing the hell out of them is only fair.
U know that the battle is difficult, when legend is extremely precise with the formation he´s building. And then the bot goes like, I hate flying horses, let´s send 50% of my armee to kill them, oh wait, damn, I can´t hit them when they fly away, but at least, I can waste some magic on them.
The ROR crowmen are actually amazing, they have a 10 second bomb drop that can kill in the 100s if you get them to blob even a little. Against an army with no missile cav or infantry they are second to only the green guardian (when fighting a missile heavy army) as an ROR imo
Archaon highlights the terrible ranking of auto resolve, he regularly loses his entire stack and himself attacking minor elector count settlements so he ends up being as threatening as a 20 stack of peasant swordsmen. Yet when you face him on the battlefield suddenly you're expending all your resources to try and stay afloat.
also, I guess they (and similar) could be useful frontline for LoS ranged units, "instantly" dropping down to intercept the wolfy boys in this case: just have them hover in front of your guns etc.
Reminds me of how I tried to ambush Grimgor recently as Kislev. Unfortunately, he was unbreakable so one time he soloed the remaining army by himself. Thankfully, I won after like 9 tries.
This happened to me as Cathay except unlike kislev Cathay doesn't have quick access to armor piercing missiles in the early game so killing grimgor when he is unbreakable is super hard. And spamming iron hail gunner to kill him doesn't work since they are such short range
If I'm ambushing with missile armies i always set up at one end of the column and let them mass forward in one line. works well on lizard men infantry spams. Good with skaven weapon teams
Recently i finally got the chance to play the warriors of chaos as Archaon and i was so impressed of how much they improved the warriors of chaos since WH2 , it might be my new favorite faction
AI improvements. And wow they crushed him, those gunners then swivel while legend is talking, and start mowing down chaos halberds. MVP right...well maybe the Lances that got spirit leach'd like 10 times while eating lunch flying in the corner.
Did this the other day with 2 crane gunners in a caravan army vs Drazoath. Killed him, 2 infernal guard, a mortar, and one of the RoR tanks bc they sent the whole army after an empire captain. Lol
I'm gonna be honest. Archaon sending half his army to attack a single flying unit while the rest of his forces get obliterated is incredibly cringe CA.
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them." -You know the guy, you know the book
It always amazes me how ironic it is than normal or hard battle difficulty, ends up posing a bigger challenge to the player sometimes. I've mostly played hard/normal for battle difficulty in my 500(aprox) hours in TWWH3, and in this type of scenarios, if the AI finds it actually has quite good advantage, it would go full "berserker attack every god-damn living thing" mode, because of their low target priority in those diff. levels, which would make it more difficult for the player with an army like this. On the other hand if AI finds it overwhelming, it simply focus to run the fuck away from the battle with the most units possible, which actually is the wise decision. But the "accurate macro decision making of targeting high value units" of VH difficulty makes the AI go "STRONG UNIT, KILL KILL, UNGA-UNGA", giving place to this total non-sense of the general getting fucked whilst looking at the guys that are fucking him
Check out the blood dragon conquest mod maybe for a live stream sometime. It’s an insanely well made mod with custom quest battle and heroes, as well as custom voice lines.
8:20 battle starts 11:50 phase two (taking care of the remaining cavalry) 14:30 phase three (Harald & Ograx) 19:00 finishing the doggos and then Archie 20:10 fighting the infantry
Oh hey, it’s most of Archaon’s starting army, and some of the 1st gifted/earned units he tends to recruit at the drop of a hat…and Harry! I swear I see some variant of this force so often in early- to mid-game, I had a hard time believing it would ever feature on this channel
idk if it's in the base game, but there is a mod in steam workshop called "better camera" or something like that. it has hotkeys to remove the hud and some other pretty cool, cinematic stuff.
For real. Some LLord power creep is kinda insane. Is it silly that I can tell Franz or grombtindal to go beat the piss out of their Lord nearly every game? Yes. Am I going to stop doing it. No
Idk if it‘s worth the effort, but would you consider doing a tierlist of all defeat traits? I think that would be a nice topic. Also love your content, keep up the amazing work.
There is only 1 map and it's pretty clear that the lower section of it is the bottom. During the very start of the deployment phase, your troops were set up towards the top half. See your problem is you're too good at the game and are a legendary legend so you don't really understand non-legendary lingo especially since you don't really get a map when you normally play.
Man I don't know anything about this game. I thought: Oh just one army. That will be easy. It took Legend 10 minutes just to setup the army position.This was much harder than it looked.
Crane Gunners have Shieldbreaker in their shots, do they not? No need to trick Hammerstorm into turning around. Edit: had a feeling you’d mention that seconds later and typed it anyway.
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AI ..... Intelligently forms up dogs into narrow column and piercing front line to hit vulnerable ranged units .... while at the same time sending 80% of the army to park and stare at a flying unit. lmao
The AI's micro is actually pretty good. The decision making thought...
@@joydjinn8692yeah because it’s micro is automatic it’s a computer, but it’s large scale decision making will always lack
Are you new here? The AI focusing on single targets with large chunks of its army is a feature of VH battle difficulty, because the AI is statistically prioritising everything it can, which is extremely exploitable. Ironically, on Normal battle difficulty, the AI doesn't do that, which results is a more chaotic and actually harder experience a lot of the time.
@@mattandrews2594 often times you can exploit the AI being dumb on normal diff too. Actually you have to fight very differently on normal and on very hard diff. I wouldn't say normal diff is harder, you just need different ways to exploit the AI. It might look harder because you are watching legend exploit AI and using cheesy tactics on VH, so you can implement the same in your games, but you probably aren't watching anyone doing the same on normal, so you have to find those things yourself.
@@Axymoon Firstly I didn't say that Normal was exclusively harder than VH. The AI stat cheats go a long way in providing a tough challenge (which I don't really like as a way of introducing difficulty but that's a separate issue).
What does Normal/H difficulty unquestionably provides is a more unpredictable, enjoyable experience because the AI behaves in a less exploitable way. Ask yourself why you rarely see dangerous, mass enemy army charges in these Legend challenges that I see all the time on Normal.
Sure there are still things you can bait the AI to do on the lower difficulties, but it's mostly the same things that VH AI would also fall for.
"You can't fight Archaon, he's too strong!". Laugh in Crane Gunner
Almost like they're doing damage damage or something. Weird.
Doomslayer gunners
That first volley... "Oh dang.."
That second volley... "OH DANG"
This was my campaign! I managed to do it myself eventually, and even killed Archaon, and my army was in shambles. But HOLY was that a masterclass of how to absolutely stomp the AI. Yeah, you absolutely crushed it mate.
side note: yuan bo, and cathay has pretty good economy. At I at that turn, I had pretty much painted a third of the map green, and fielded like 20 armies. Also cheekily stole a few life mages from Alberic for that sweet healing for a moonbird doomstack :P
"We fixed AI focusing flying units." - CA. Sure, sure..
Guessing their value was simply too high. Still always as amusing.
@@GafferPerkele Probably. I do like Legend dismantling the problems as well ^^
To be fair the only reason they focused was because it started the battle on the ground.
@@Adierit but as soon as they started flying they should have tried to change targets
@@dontgankmebruv7273 If it starts the battle on the ground the current AI still thinks of them as cav. If it starts the battle flying though, they will ignore it the whole battle unless they're ranged units.
I first read it as “shipping Archaon” and was really confused on the content Legend was posting for today 😅
Archaon and Grimgor
Sitting in a tree...
@@TheUltrahypnotoad um Under a tree
I guess at my school we sang it wrong.
Mother ostenkia:Time to put You in a box and send You to lustria
Really changes the term doom stack.
"If you waste a summon, it's a waste" - LegendofTotalWar, 2024.
"I came to Cathay for one reason, and one reason only! To gaze in wonder at the majestic flying dragon ponies! OwO"
-Archaon, probably
Welcome to 2Fort Archaon!
Crane Gunner: "Snipin's a good job mate!"
“Professionals have standards.”
So that's how Archon really got his 3rd eye
So I guess they put it right between the eyes… how does that work with three now
Using diversion isn’t a cheese strategy, but it was kinda sad to see how bad they got stunned and locked in on the flying units at the end of that
I think it might be because it's an ambush battle, the AI gets extra derpy during them.
I'm kind of surprised that Legend forgot about the Celestial Dragon Crossbow's RoR ability. Reduces block chance, armor, and missile resistance. Would have made killing Harold and Archaon just that much faster. Between that and the Crane Gunners, it's -48% block chance.
*Archaon dies*
Legend not even a nanosecond later:
"Ok, we've won" 😂
Cracked me up for some reason
can we snipe them slanesh bots?
20:16 Re: “I’ve taken out all of their best units…”
Aspiring Champions getting the chopped liver treatment
Suck shit Archaon, stare at me. - Karl Franz on Deathclaw 2510 IC
Fucking Archaon man
If the AI has to get a ton of cheats and give you debuffs to be 'legendary' difficulty...then at that point I feel abusing the hell out of them is only fair.
U know that the battle is difficult, when legend is extremely precise with the formation he´s building. And then the bot goes like, I hate flying horses, let´s send 50% of my armee to kill them, oh wait, damn, I can´t hit them when they fly away, but at least, I can waste some magic on them.
The ROR crowmen are actually amazing, they have a 10 second bomb drop that can kill in the 100s if you get them to blob even a little. Against an army with no missile cav or infantry they are second to only the green guardian (when fighting a missile heavy army) as an ROR imo
They shot archeon in the back and he was standing still. Helps if the ai just decided to stop and look at the flying birbs.
those are some pretty birbs though
@4:20 legend definitely not a Slaaneshi cultist 😂
that shape of the deployment zone tho 🤣
Archeon looked at those Longma Riders when they started flying and literally said "Bruh"
Archaon highlights the terrible ranking of auto resolve, he regularly loses his entire stack and himself attacking minor elector count settlements so he ends up being as threatening as a 20 stack of peasant swordsmen. Yet when you face him on the battlefield suddenly you're expending all your resources to try and stay afloat.
Amazing thumbnail.
FYI, that crowmen RoR actually has a pretty good strafing bomb attack. Could have ripped up their line a bit at the start.
also, I guess they (and similar) could be useful frontline for LoS ranged units, "instantly" dropping down to intercept the wolfy boys in this case: just have them hover in front of your guns etc.
Crane Gunners=Jezails?
Yes
Spends the whole video hyping of Archaon.
Archaon dies like a chump.
That AI is just sad
Don't want to see it? Play on lower battle difficulties where the AI is much more chaotic and less exploitable.
The ROR crossbowmen have an ability to remove armor and missile block chance I think. Woulda make killing Harold or archaon much easier
How come you don’t use the special drum unit to make all their attacks magical ?
Reminds me of how I tried to ambush Grimgor recently as Kislev. Unfortunately, he was unbreakable so one time he soloed the remaining army by himself. Thankfully, I won after like 9 tries.
This happened to me as Cathay except unlike kislev Cathay doesn't have quick access to armor piercing missiles in the early game so killing grimgor when he is unbreakable is super hard. And spamming iron hail gunner to kill him doesn't work since they are such short range
@@mrgermanvono35 kossars don't have significant AP either. Plus he has pretty high missle resistance. I had to use magic.
Everything was going well until Archaon... (insert action)
Died?
farted
That thumbnail is awesome lol
10/10 thumbnail, love that Archaon is in the Crane Gunner's scope!
The ror crowman has a bomb ability it's not worthless
Felt like a huge missed opportunity to use the nangau grenade ability on the RoR Crowmen over the big blob under the Longman riders.
If I'm ambushing with missile armies i always set up at one end of the column and let them mass forward in one line. works well on lizard men infantry spams. Good with skaven weapon teams
Recently i finally got the chance to play the warriors of chaos as Archaon and i was so impressed of how much they improved the warriors of chaos since WH2 , it might be my new favorite faction
They are great, especially the buffs from resource buildings they get. That way, low tier units stay good much longer.
AI improvements. And wow they crushed him, those gunners then swivel while legend is talking, and start mowing down chaos halberds. MVP right...well maybe the Lances that got spirit leach'd like 10 times while eating lunch flying in the corner.
Spinning Archaon.
yin lord and 2 crane gunners always kill archaeon easily for me
lmao, imagine being the everchosen only to get owned owned by a some chicks with guns
Instant like for the thumbnail
I wonder how much harder the game would be especially on these difficulties if they actually fixed the ai and made it more competent.
Why is the entire army chasing a flying unit they cannot target? Why is archaon doing nothing while getting shot? Wtf is going on
Did this the other day with 2 crane gunners in a caravan army vs Drazoath. Killed him, 2 infernal guard, a mortar, and one of the RoR tanks bc they sent the whole army after an empire captain. Lol
I'm gonna be honest. Archaon sending half his army to attack a single flying unit while the rest of his forces get obliterated is incredibly cringe CA.
"All warfare is based on deception.
Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.
If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.
If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them."
-You know the guy, you know the book
and that is a master at work man...i have watch you for 6 years, and still get amazed how good you know this game...thanks
And Legend himself was telling that those flying riders are not providing enough value 🤣
divide and conquer.....
always good plan
im impressed how you can cheese the AI so hard. Like i dont try it, but never managed it in my noobie 100h^^
It always amazes me how ironic it is than normal or hard battle difficulty, ends up posing a bigger challenge to the player sometimes. I've mostly played hard/normal for battle difficulty in my 500(aprox) hours in TWWH3, and in this type of scenarios, if the AI finds it actually has quite good advantage, it would go full "berserker attack every god-damn living thing" mode, because of their low target priority in those diff. levels, which would make it more difficult for the player with an army like this. On the other hand if AI finds it overwhelming, it simply focus to run the fuck away from the battle with the most units possible, which actually is the wise decision. But the "accurate macro decision making of targeting high value units" of VH difficulty makes the AI go "STRONG UNIT, KILL KILL, UNGA-UNGA", giving place to this total non-sense of the general getting fucked whilst looking at the guys that are fucking him
Check out the blood dragon conquest mod maybe for a live stream sometime. It’s an insanely well made mod with custom quest battle and heroes, as well as custom voice lines.
He just...stood there.
Menacingly!
The fact that some Lords will just be demons on a whim is a bit silly.
Impressive 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
8:20 battle starts
11:50 phase two (taking care of the remaining cavalry)
14:30 phase three (Harald & Ograx)
19:00 finishing the doggos and then Archie
20:10 fighting the infantry
Oh hey, it’s most of Archaon’s starting army, and some of the 1st gifted/earned units he tends to recruit at the drop of a hat…and Harry! I swear I see some variant of this force so often in early- to mid-game, I had a hard time believing it would ever feature on this channel
Congrats on 500k my guy :)
Man no wonder why Empire was collapsing during End Times, they should learn from Cathayan ways
When deploying is it okey if you get rid off the channel magic thing? Just blocks a bit of the screen.
501K! Woo!
How come when i play the AI doesn't act like that
Anyone know what button he used to remove the HUD?
idk if it's in the base game, but there is a mod in steam workshop called "better camera" or something like that. it has hotkeys to remove the hud and some other pretty cool, cinematic stuff.
What is the button to rotate the army formation when you’re holding alt?
Ctrl
That was a lot of cheese and i liked it 🧀
Who would've thought Archaon is pigeon enthusiast.
Crane Gunners op, pls nerf
exploitation at its finest
Sometimes the AI has a real galaxybrain
Only 0 losses gets heroic apparently.
That was a weak Archaon, even for the AI.
Archaon can become a demon?
8:46 Why does that halberd unit on the right just stop dead when it reaches the warhounds instead of charging into them?
In uncle Philly Leotardo’s voice: “Because they’re stupid, that’s why!”
those hounds are from this worlds hell, can you imagine the smell of burnt hair emanating from them? Have some empathy dude
Legends of cheese
Cheers
I read Spining instead of sniping...
Its a serious problem that the only way to punch up in totalwar campaign is cheese.
For real. Some LLord power creep is kinda insane. Is it silly that I can tell Franz or grombtindal to go beat the piss out of their Lord nearly every game? Yes. Am I going to stop doing it. No
You could win that without AI breaking itself, you would just take a lot more damage.
do historical videos avain
Idk if it‘s worth the effort, but would you consider doing a tierlist of all defeat traits?
I think that would be a nice topic.
Also love your content, keep up the amazing work.
6th! F yeah!!!!
how was that a 'disaster campaign'? Cause you lose some small army at the border which you can redo in 2 turns?
It was not a disaster campaign, it was a disaster battle. He says so at the beginning. Saving a disaster campaign is a different series.
There is only 1 map and it's pretty clear that the lower section of it is the bottom. During the very start of the deployment phase, your troops were set up towards the top half. See your problem is you're too good at the game and are a legendary legend so you don't really understand non-legendary lingo especially since you don't really get a map when you normally play.
Man I don't know anything about this game. I thought: Oh just one army. That will be easy. It took Legend 10 minutes just to setup the army position.This was much harder than it looked.
Yeah, there is a difference between some random goblin army or empire levies army vs Warhost of the Apocalypse.
Crane Gunners have Shieldbreaker in their shots, do they not? No need to trick Hammerstorm into turning around. Edit: had a feeling you’d mention that seconds later and typed it anyway.