@@dontgankmebruv7273 yeah, you can blast all aoe spells on those so masses are wiped around them, while they make a blob, and preferably heal them to full after every battle. The main thing is that these kinds of hero amountss are the key to winning every engagement and this is an easy "hero blob + strong spells" army delete
@@dontgankmebruv7273 yea on my Gelt Campaign he can pretty much just solo armies on his own while I just use other mages as infinite winds of magic batteries
@@dontgankmebruv7273 I've noticed this as well, but I've had many a time where buff/debuff spells have come in clutch against one man doom stacks like Vlad
these are informative for sure, but the real gems (and most educating ones) are the disaster battles where he really is sweating - like the dwarf disaster battle from a couple of days (weeks?) ago
Gotrek and Felix and Co. standing in the middle of a literal zombie apocolypse Legend : "Nothing that should concern us here." Gotrek : "dissapointed grumbling"
@legendoftotalwar It was my disaster battle and the army in Drycha territory was a bait army so I could attack her out of the settlement with Nemesis Crown and get more movement! Also so she couldn't run out of movement range! Thanks for doing the battle and sorry for the lack of context in the email - I was a bit hungover tbh! :D
pro tip if you want to bait without loosing a whole army you can wither recruit a lord with a shit trait or stand at the edge of their range in regular march so you can just retreat when they attack
Glad to see Bruckner in a battle. He might not be the most powerful hero but man its fun turning on all his buffs and watch him melt single entities and heroes. He also looks super cool.
This was incredible haha Totally unexpected but probably the best advice I've heard from Legend getting you to think of the strengths and weaknesses of both sides in a given situation, sounds so simple but just not something I'd really properly considered like this before. Amazing video as always!
The reason these bazzles are so engaging is the educational aspect of them as ypu explain the recipe to victory and what will work against what won't. This is why I watch to apply in my own games even as a L/VH player myself, of course nowhere near this level of battle experience.
I have to admit Legend consistently does things I never would have guessed or thought up in 24.15 years It is amazing watching such a Legend of Total War™ at work
@LegendofTotalWar Would you ever consider sharing save files with us so we can practice some of your strategies or try variations? Thank you for your content!!
Well, I think wahat you do is awesome and amazing. You have 500k subscribers, so I'm not the only one who thinks so. You do what wins you the fight, which is what counts.
@AIHumanMind hes stated it before. I'm just reiterating, although I did not hear him mention it in this particular video. It's useful information for new players who don't know. Magic overcasting is often meant for a good opportunity that only presents itself once, so you want to make the most of it. In this particular case, no matter where or when he casted Purple Sun, it was going to be a worthwhile cast and continually so.
The a.i. would hunt them down. Use war wagons with mortars they also get the stalk snipe traits, same number of entities, damage output, and are way more mobile. I don't remember if they fire whilst moving.
on this particular map i like setting up in the top left corner as the defender, its got a house to split the troops so you can set up two lines of fire that are relatively safe from flanking and have the artillery thin out the troops behind the enemy front line. setting up the heroes at max range distance from your gunners gives enough buffer room to tie up some enemy units to shoot em down and just having magic in general is definitely a bonus.
One thing I think you sometimes miss is that even if they won't blob into the heroes, just order that hero to attack every unit running near it, if they touch him and start to fight it, it works better at least. But yeah, all I saw at first is to blob all heroes and go balls deep with that sweet 195 WoM. This battle was a lot easier, as there was 90 WoM before first Purple sun, and double that in reserves.
I hope they stay with the single unit commanders and heroes for tw:warhammer40k although it obviously causes some balancing issues. and it´s always the same when u overcast a spell for increased duration it follows murphy´s law and always moves out of the enemies early.
24:32 As a vampire counts enjoyer I don`t think that crown of command is useless. It`s pretty good to use on summons if you want them to hold longer, and it`s really useful to cheese some winds of death.
You totally could have utilised the missile units by retreating them to the edge of the map and firing until the enemy close in, but instead you chose to massacre them with magic, but I’m not complaining, it’s more satisfying to watch 😅
I feel like some people still don't know this- you don't have to maintain the units the Gunnery School quests require once they're marked as completed, which happens as soon as you hit the unit threshold. Its the only explanation for having Handgunners in an army this far into a campaign. Ironsides shoot literally twice as fast, which more than makes up the difference in entity count.
Why not aim the vortex? Instead of just clicking holding the click and dragging in certain direction makes the vortex move that way at least for a "tick or two" of it's movements
Yeah I don't see how this is a disaster, Elspeth on her dragon can basically solo that, short prediction pre watch legend hides all troops and artillery in the woods at map edge with fire at will off. Forms a murder ball of heroes on the ground overcasts 1 million Purple suns into ensuing blob
@@LegendofTotalWar skavenAdvisor12.wav "buttlegend what if they think you're mentally ill!" It's fantastic. You're entertaining for hours on end and are a big help through my chronic pain. I don't think i've ever gotten bored through a video or stream of yours. Talent for games aside, you're an excellent commentator too.
I think because then they would have spread out, and he wanted them to blob as fast as possible. The more time they use to blob, the longer he has to wait to get a good cast of.
But Legend there is a great artillery mount hillock. if the enemy dosent have artilleries or AoE hier magic.. Are Zombies slow trash spounges..yes. Yes retreating low tier now means less micro needed good point. i would say not usign up rockets preserves balance of power with good morale leadership goon squad.
First you can't hide artillery in forests only behind a large hill. But the main problem is that if you hide your army in the forest then the ai will send out units to go and check all the forests on the map and eventually find you.
A lot of the reason he gets the mega blobs he do in this video is the spot he stands in. As he mentions the AI just doenst really know what to do so they end up all pathing up the same hill and get blobbed. If you stand in the open or in the forest the AI will send a few units in to attack and the rest circles you Ive noticed, but if you make the path up a narrow area or a chokehold they just dont calculate the pathing at all, end up in a massive blob and are free for some big magic obliteration
Legend: *Full lecture on AI tendencies and magic optimisation*
My Brain: Heroes OP, got ya.
Magic is honestly overpowered, especially when you combine it with single entities
@@dontgankmebruv7273 yeah, you can blast all aoe spells on those so masses are wiped around them, while they make a blob, and preferably heal them to full after every battle. The main thing is that these kinds of hero amountss are the key to winning every engagement and this is an easy "hero blob + strong spells" army delete
@@ilari90 people also like to ignore buff and debuff spells, making vlad have like 0 melee attack and defense will never not be funny
@@dontgankmebruv7273 yea on my Gelt Campaign he can pretty much just solo armies on his own while I just use other mages as infinite winds of magic batteries
@@dontgankmebruv7273 I've noticed this as well, but I've had many a time where buff/debuff spells have come in clutch against one man doom stacks like Vlad
Lore Accurate Gotrek and Felix fights.
Also I love how Legends head voice sometimes becomes straight up sentient
9 Empire characters vs Kemmler and almost 4 full stacks. The embodiment of quantity vs quality.
Quantity has a quality all on its own
@@Troupe_Masterif it was hellman ghorst it'd be both
Just goes to show how much what he says about having good units means about having options rings true.
@@marlikbudvergard Not against Elspeth and her Purple Sun spamming.
@@strangestecho5088 The bane of all Undead, together with Harald Hammerstorm
"Sir, he's deliberately making Disaster Battles harder for himself, again."
"Dear God."
these are informative for sure, but the real gems (and most educating ones) are the disaster battles where he really is sweating - like the dwarf disaster battle from a couple of days (weeks?) ago
"There's more"
Gotrek and Felix and Co. standing in the middle of a literal zombie apocolypse
Legend : "Nothing that should concern us here."
Gotrek : "dissapointed grumbling"
@legendoftotalwar It was my disaster battle and the army in Drycha territory was a bait army so I could attack her out of the settlement with Nemesis Crown and get more movement! Also so she couldn't run out of movement range! Thanks for doing the battle and sorry for the lack of context in the email - I was a bit hungover tbh! :D
pro tip if you want to bait without loosing a whole army you can wither recruit a lord with a shit trait or stand at the edge of their range in regular march so you can just retreat when they attack
@@dustydinofaceit looked like a free army you get from spending prestige anyways so I don’t think he cared too much about it
Honestly the “BuT LeGenD” Bit always makes me laugh
Those "But Legend"s are the best part of your videos))
He 100% practises that in the mirror.
21:35 the eagles swooping in to save the day like in Lord of the Rings only to be eaten by a bunch of oversized bats in a few seconds is hilarious
I wonder if the dragon evil woman is gonna breathe on her troops.
Elspeth is best against single large targets
Glad to see Bruckner in a battle. He might not be the most powerful hero but man its fun turning on all his buffs and watch him melt single entities and heroes. He also looks super cool.
He's got great animations too
@kodiakjak1 yea I always wanna keep him on foot but he also looks cool on his demi
Classic Legend. "Army? Give me that wizard over there."
This was incredible haha Totally unexpected but probably the best advice I've heard from Legend getting you to think of the strengths and weaknesses of both sides in a given situation, sounds so simple but just not something I'd really properly considered like this before. Amazing video as always!
The reason these bazzles are so engaging is the educational aspect of them as ypu explain the recipe to victory and what will work against what won't. This is why I watch to apply in my own games even as a L/VH player myself, of course nowhere near this level of battle experience.
I'm pretty sure the army at 28:13 is a summoned army and the Player was trying to get them killed and ambush Drycha afterwards with Karl Franz
Yes! It was my disaster battle and it was a bait army so I could attack Drycha out of the settlement with Nemesis Crown and get more movement!
@@TheLloydy122great thinking
Do a push up every time legend sarcastically says "but legend!"
Get ripped
I have to admit Legend consistently does things I never would have guessed or thought up in 24.15 years
It is amazing watching such a Legend of Total War™ at work
Kemmler watching the battle from down the hill :
🧍🐴
That almost sounds like a start of a limerick.
Lmfao. And he's just like "what the fuck...."
Holy crap he finally listened to that guy's advice 9:43
Legendoftotslwar showing why he IS THE LEGEND OF TOTAL WAR. Love your content!
Now we have to wait for Warhammer 4 so that the AI can handle even this situation
You forgot four zeros there.
If you can't win with steam tanks, you aren't using enough.
Can't wait to purchase it and all its DLC and WH3 + WH2 + WH1's DLC for approximately £1988
...on sale
Ah, well that was very therapeutic to watch. Thanks Legend. 👍
9 guys killed 9.000
Only in warhammer total war.
Thats why i love this game
Wasn’t expecting the withdrawal XD
@LegendofTotalWar Would you ever consider sharing save files with us so we can practice some of your strategies or try variations? Thank you for your content!!
@@Zalmoxidae it’s my save file. Happy to share if you want
Legend, saves the throw away "send help army" that dies anyway, true man of the Empire ! :D
9:46 made me belly laugh. The one time the voices were right XD
"Whatever decision you're going to make, it will always be the wrong one."
-Legend of Total War
Well, I think wahat you do is awesome and amazing. You have 500k subscribers, so I'm not the only one who thinks so. You do what wins you the fight, which is what counts.
Overcasting often seems like the best option but something to consider is the cooldown time is much longer.
He did say excactly that
@AIHumanMind hes stated it before. I'm just reiterating, although I did not hear him mention it in this particular video. It's useful information for new players who don't know. Magic overcasting is often meant for a good opportunity that only presents itself once, so you want to make the most of it. In this particular case, no matter where or when he casted Purple Sun, it was going to be a worthwhile cast and continually so.
Heavily outnumbered? What we need to do is be even more outnumbered. Of course!!
Legend!!
Holy fuck another incredible battle. Truely inspiring
I wonder if the ai would ignore stalk snipe mortars that elspeth can recruit if they were shooting into a blob like this
Wondering this as well
the AI seems to actually ignore the snipe mortarts, as I had multiple battles againts Skaven, and their Menace Below's never targeted my mortars
@landeler8888 they won't use menace below on units they can't see.
The a.i. would hunt them down. Use war wagons with mortars they also get the stalk snipe traits, same number of entities, damage output, and are way more mobile. I don't remember if they fire whilst moving.
Good commentary, I learned something new
on this particular map i like setting up in the top left corner as the defender, its got a house to split the troops so you can set up two lines of fire that are relatively safe from flanking and have the artillery thin out the troops behind the enemy front line. setting up the heroes at max range distance from your gunners gives enough buffer room to tie up some enemy units to shoot em down and just having magic in general is definitely a bonus.
One thing I think you sometimes miss is that even if they won't blob into the heroes, just order that hero to attack every unit running near it, if they touch him and start to fight it, it works better at least. But yeah, all I saw at first is to blob all heroes and go balls deep with that sweet 195 WoM. This battle was a lot easier, as there was 90 WoM before first Purple sun, and double that in reserves.
I hope they stay with the single unit commanders and heroes for tw:warhammer40k although it obviously causes some balancing issues.
and it´s always the same when u overcast a spell for increased duration it follows murphy´s law and always moves out of the enemies early.
"b-but legend that purple sun went the right way!"
24:32 As a vampire counts enjoyer I don`t think that crown of command is useless. It`s pretty good to use on summons if you want them to hold longer, and it`s really useful to cheese some winds of death.
"Not sure what your plan was here"
Narrator: there was no plan.
6:39 "...you should let the AI win, defeating the purpose of disaster battle videos"
Blank is smart to get your attention, mr no context had a W here
Legend exposing the problem with war hammer 3 that armies have such little value it’s all about high level characters
I swear. The game knows exactly which direction you eant a vortex to go and always goes the opposite
id find this game much more enjoyable to play if the wait times went 2 minutes plus. cheers for the value content
Our Magik will zerstör them! ^^
You totally could have utilised the missile units by retreating them to the edge of the map and firing until the enemy close in, but instead you chose to massacre them with magic, but I’m not complaining, it’s more satisfying to watch 😅
25:43 that boy went to the moon lmao
23:15 a stray sheep runs across the battlefield
I feel like some people still don't know this- you don't have to maintain the units the Gunnery School quests require once they're marked as completed, which happens as soon as you hit the unit threshold.
Its the only explanation for having Handgunners in an army this far into a campaign. Ironsides shoot literally twice as fast, which more than makes up the difference in entity count.
That 4k kills on Elspeth. Damn
I'm here for the "But Legend" voice
Love it! Such wonderful cheese. 🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀
That seems like some real sun tzu stuff
not using flock of doom on that blob has me tweakin
Same. My inner teclis was salivating
9 guys fighting off an army.. boromir took a couple arrows but atleast he didnt die this time
Dark majik hero shes got it Dragon magic adopting ulrika.. good
That was insane!
this is actually my favorite trick
I swear the Purple Suns never wander so much in my games. Am I losing my mind or did they introduce this super recently, maybe stealthily too?
I always thought it was a stationnary spell; i guess not
@@NC-hu6xd iirc Morathi has a similar spell, as well as some dark casters, their versions are bigger and stationary.
14:40 you can see the empire captain terror route a couple minutes before and just dip from the blob
has 150 winds, spends half the battle trying to kill Krell, never spirit leeches him
Why not aim the vortex? Instead of just clicking holding the click and dragging in certain direction makes the vortex move that way at least for a "tick or two" of it's movements
just looking here, 0:36, pretty sure elspeth alone can take 99% of this battle.......
Dynasty warriors warhammer edition
Real gamers cheese with pride, don't deny it.
But Legend, never assume his agenda!!
Beautiful!
Bu... But Legend!
Super interesting one
New PC really making these battles pop.
Is it too difficult for CA to code a unit to prioritize the strongest unit arround them to attack.
Did they buff Theo Bruckner on his mount, or is he still better on foot?
cheese to the cheese god
But Legend! Couldn't the missile infantry hide in the forest on the opposite end of the map to preserve balance of power? :O
In no world is it a good idea to fight the enemy on there terms unless you want to die
Yeah I don't see how this is a disaster, Elspeth on her dragon can basically solo that, short prediction pre watch legend hides all troops and artillery in the woods at map edge with fire at will off. Forms a murder ball of heroes on the ground overcasts 1 million Purple suns into ensuing blob
that looked like fun
Sad that the black holes went the wrong direction
Very good blob smashing
Do they still have infinite coruscating blast/dragon breaths when you cast, cast-cancel with magic at 0 countdown?
ButtLegend lives in his head. Amusing for us, but imagine trying to make a sandwich or go to the toilet with buttlegend questioning your every move.
lol i only do it in videos for your entertainment
@@LegendofTotalWar skavenAdvisor12.wav "buttlegend what if they think you're mentally ill!"
It's fantastic. You're entertaining for hours on end and are a big help through my chronic pain. I don't think i've ever gotten bored through a video or stream of yours. Talent for games aside, you're an excellent commentator too.
It may be cheese but cheese is delicious.
legend maybe zoom in more into the units because u got better pc now the fights would be epic
Did they fix the infinite breaths on Elspeth?
Wow the hawks just lose straight up to fell bats what a sht unit lmao
Could you just have hidden your troops in the woods so that you wouldn't lose any balance of power and still have the same effect?
Strange... cuz I see this battle do-able
one thing i don't understand:
why didn't you shoot at the enemy with your long range missiles just a few shoots before you withdraw them?
I think because then they would have spread out, and he wanted them to blob as fast as possible. The more time they use to blob, the longer he has to wait to get a good cast of.
Legend of Exploit the AI
But Legend there is a great artillery mount hillock. if the enemy dosent have artilleries or AoE hier magic.. Are Zombies slow trash spounges..yes. Yes retreating low tier now means less micro needed good point. i would say not usign up rockets preserves balance of power with good morale leadership goon squad.
Can you hide the artillery and missile units instead or does the AI try to find them?
First you can't hide artillery in forests only behind a large hill. But the main problem is that if you hide your army in the forest then the ai will send out units to go and check all the forests on the map and eventually find you.
You could only do that with mortars and only in Elspeth's faction. She can buy an upgrade that gives them snipe and stalk.
@@Garret007damn mortars seem like the way to go. That's nuts
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
"but sir, you can't just retreat half of your army, thats unfair for the IA" (joking)
Legend, do you have the specs for your new Computer listed anywhere?
But legend!
Why no flock of doom?
Because vortex and wind spells are much better casting into blobs and provide more value compared to direct damage small aoe spells
that army looked a bait army. looked like a borrowed army from an ally to bait them to franz no idea though
9 guys vs 10000 undead
The AI never blobs up like this for me. They always send 1 or 2 Units at a time
what difficulty do you play on? AI behavior is different for different difficulties.
they only blob like this when you only have single entities not if u have anormal army thats why he retreated the units
A lot of the reason he gets the mega blobs he do in this video is the spot he stands in. As he mentions the AI just doenst really know what to do so they end up all pathing up the same hill and get blobbed. If you stand in the open or in the forest the AI will send a few units in to attack and the rest circles you Ive noticed, but if you make the path up a narrow area or a chokehold they just dont calculate the pathing at all, end up in a massive blob and are free for some big magic obliteration
@@ghost28896 legendary/very hard
@@eshaan570 I know, but evevn when I charge them with a full stack of SE, they refuse to blob like this.
it bugs me he didn't use crowstorm even though it hits every unit in its radius
more expensive and would last longer because it deals less dmg