Can't be a better fate for a unit of Slayers than being pressed at the eleventh hour into a ragged army of kindred and then dying to a dwarf in a gigantic pile of thaggoraki in a battle that proves to be a turning point heroic victory.
Awesome, that was my campaign and although I found a way out of the situation too, my armies were not at a that good state as you sent it back to me. You are 100% right, the AI doesn’t seem to fool around as much when they are attacking you and that’s why I struggled with these battles playing defensive. Cheers mate, was a blast seeing you dominate snickch
The fact that there are over half a dozen ratling gun squads and none of them shoot the single entities mindfucks me, because at least in WH2 on normal difficulty they straight up eat single entities for breakfast
Yeah it's the only way CA has figured out how to keep the player from using the ammo wasting cheese but I play on Hard diff because I find it to be more enjoyable. I also HATE the artillery dodging crap that the ai does.
There's gotta be a better way for CA to handle that. You'd think CA would run a check to see if the single entity is engaging an enemy to then let the ratling guns shoot. Or even a range check or something.
loved this battle, first the lords move in to cause as much damage, then the main army deals with the first wave, they don't get army losses so a few injured units are switched out, love the use of each mechanic, retreating injured troops to bring in fresh ones from reinforcements. Great use of strategy and tactics was very entertaining to watch.
That's a good point. If your army takes a beating taking the settlement and you're in an attrition zone, what post-battle option do you pick, just sack and run?
@@robertsprankle6127 if enemy army is nearby i just sack and leave, and get to ambush stance, or I pick an encampment stance if they can't reach me. I like to take my time so I don't have to fight every battle with half of the army depleated.
It really depends on situation. A nearby garrison can be enough to give a single stack the option to disable control large armies even if the garrison is small and badly damaged which might be what a single stack needs to take down 2 or more stacks. For range or mobility heavy armies this could be combined with AI controlling the garrison to potentially out number single stack attackers and act as a useful distraction. Garrison units are free and completely disposable which can be significant value depending on the circumstances.
I think my 2 favorite things about Legend's videos are: 1. His sayings, such as: "Snickerdoodle-doo, mothaf*****" 2. His mocking impressions of us as viewers with stupid opinions, before he proceeds to school us on exactly why, such as: "But Legend... (insert simpleton advice)"
I don't understand why CA made units like ratling guns and jezails not shoot at single entities. Their projectiles are so fast, I don't see how one could consistently waste their ammo by dodging so I don't see how them saving their ammo is supposed to be better at stopping player cheese. It seems like a classic case of trying to be too clever with the AI design instead of just sticking to what makes the most sense in the majority of scenarios. I still think it shouldn't be too hard to have a unit do a logic check every 10% of ammo used or something like that and if they've done virtually 0 damage with that 10%, then maybe have them move/stop shooting/change tactics.
That would be the best anime ever made. Legend would be like: "Okay, you peasant horseman, your job is to run behind the enemy lines and get half of them to chase you so they come at us in waves. Archers get in square formation and don't waste your ammo on trash. You, shitty wizard wait till they blob up in this chokepoint we're setting up and use all your fire spells there. Lord Fuckface, I need you to go kill all their missile units. NO, don't bother dueling the enemy leaders, they're too strong. We'll just kill them with arrows."
“Yeah so basically we’re gonna siege this castle with 3 guys on horseback and capture the whole thing because they can’t walk on this weird mountain point.”
I do always love when someone stumbles across Kazador, who is honestly one of the most broken non LLs in the game. You can stack his Melee stats to such ridiculous degrees that he can throw down with pretty much anything in the game.
I've discover this banner thing long ago, it'll work if second (and third ect) lord with banner are on campaign map and didnt regive this banner in their fight. If lord is wounded or disbanned in your reserve banner wouldn't apply. But technically yes, you can put banners on one army as long you have spare lords and banners
Ref the banner between armies, it requires that the other lord hold onto that banner, and it can’t be equipped in the original army… but yes if you had enough armies and banners, you could make one army with all the banners
´Always be the attacker´ - Well. That kind of depends. Was this otherwise going to be a minor settlement defense battle? Dwarfs are *insanely* good at that. You can safely set up behind buildings and lure every rat within the range of your irondrakes getting stuck fighting tough Lords. They'll even march their artillery inside for easy pickings, the only real threat here would've been the poison wind mortars, but you have the gyrocopters for that. I'm pretty confident I would have aced this with just the first army if it were. Then again, the Ogre camp maps aren't favorable. Still. the amount of rats I've murdered this way with just a emergency lord and some RoRs is insane. Playing as Kazador [Mixu] I at one point recruited an army specifically for defending minor settlements, not a full stack, I wanted them to attack it as often as they could. Just a few irondrakes, heroes and empire mortars with runes on them.
- 27:14 WTF was that particular group of Gutter Runners even thinking/trying - Your Snikch-a-doodle-do bit makes me think you’re settling into the Dad role well-you’re already building your Dad Joke repertoire - a real treat to end the video with Heirs of Mourkain that far up north for no particular reason, and doing OK! (for a Rouge Army)
The beard itches with pressure on the sweaty brow- A banner of Benny Hill chase: min 36;54 "ledg says loosin that lord wont cause the morale loss" we sayno no we celebrate thing mean tyrant passing good eat take more
I love this vids, but I'll admit that the one cheese I don't like or agree to is the "control large armies" one. Either I choose that option because I can handle it at the start of a campaign, or I don't. Anything else doesn't feel like "cheesing" so much as breaking the game. Like choosing to lower difficulty before a battle then upping it, say in Skyrim.
Second battle was just 👌👌👌👌 Scaven artillery derped out so hard they just stood in one place for the whole fight and sent cannon crews to fight Ungrim in melee...
My god that was frustrating to watch. The dance of "refusing to use the gyrocopters because we need an early army losses so we let 5x as much damage get done to our units driving the army losses way back but still must absolutely cherish the gyrocopters" probably will not catch on with anyone else.
Seems like the AI won't shoot lords with ratlings... guessing this is a quirk of very hard to prevent ammo wasting? This tactic wouldn't work on normal. Seems so strange that this battle would've been harder on normal as the ratlings would shoot anything
If you allow large army, both sides can bring up to 40 units to the field at once. Not using large army limits unit count on the field to 20 maximum. So if, for example, you are fighting against 2 armies (I think you also need to have at least 2 armies of your own as well) and you don't want to face all of them at once, you can do this. New units for the enemy and yourself will only come onto the field when units are wiped out or leave the field, so the fresh reinforcements will trickle in in small groups. Viability of this tactic largely depends on the army compositions on both sides I'd say.
If you're experienced with every race, you'll recognize the background music. Every race has their own "winning" music. That's how he knows, it takes time to recognize them all, though. So when he withdrew Ungrim there, the music went from Dwarven to Skaven, and he mentions it. Whoever has a higher Balance of Power has their soundtrack play!
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The Skaven were not prepared for Option #4
"The dwarfs are being weird! It's like they've been suddenly possessed by one of us!"
@@bluerendar2194 "The dwarf-things are being-acting weird-unusual! It's like they've been posseessed-haunted by one of us-us!"
The D plan
Can't be a better fate for a unit of Slayers than being pressed at the eleventh hour into a ragged army of kindred and then dying to a dwarf in a gigantic pile of thaggoraki in a battle that proves to be a turning point heroic victory.
Rest of army - "This is NOT what I signed up for!"
Slayers - "This is EXACTLY what I signed up for!"
I love lore accurate interactions in this game
Player: Legend, we need a plan of attack!
Legend: I have a plan. Attack.
I was just looking for this comment to pop up 🤣
"snikerdoodle is down" is the highlight
Legend turning a massive disaster battle into two smaller disaster battles is why i stay up till 3 am
Awesome, that was my campaign and although I found a way out of the situation too, my armies were not at a that good state as you sent it back to me. You are 100% right, the AI doesn’t seem to fool around as much when they are attacking you and that’s why I struggled with these battles playing defensive. Cheers mate, was a blast seeing you dominate snickch
The fact that there are over half a dozen ratling gun squads and none of them shoot the single entities mindfucks me, because at least in WH2 on normal difficulty they straight up eat single entities for breakfast
Yeah it's the only way CA has figured out how to keep the player from using the ammo wasting cheese but I play on Hard diff because I find it to be more enjoyable. I also HATE the artillery dodging crap that the ai does.
People cheesed with wasting AI ammo with single entities so much that CA made it so AI wont shoot at single entities when players try that.
There's gotta be a better way for CA to handle that. You'd think CA would run a check to see if the single entity is engaging an enemy to then let the ratling guns shoot. Or even a range check or something.
They do shoot at large entities, so anything larger than a horse.
@@hansbrandenburg7169 I think they do somewhat. If you attack or cause enough damage, eventually they attack you.
loved this battle, first the lords move in to cause as much damage, then the main army deals with the first wave, they don't get army losses so a few injured units are switched out, love the use of each mechanic, retreating injured troops to bring in fresh ones from reinforcements. Great use of strategy and tactics was very entertaining to watch.
"Now, I will show Snikch the rarely shown 'option four.'
Lets you and I have a chat about some things, Snikerdoodle."
for some reason I visualized them being great friends with "Partysnacks"
haha all of the extremely heavily armed rats standing around with 3 dwarfs charging in > "DO WE RUN-FLEE?"
Oh shoot. I laughed way too hard at this comment for far too long.
"When you face big problem, break it into smaller and easier problems." Sun Tzu when teaching 9 y.o. how to solve brackets in math.
Ungrim lives to fight another day. So disappointed.
too strong to die, what a bad slayer he is
That's why I mostly avoid sending my armies into settlements, or letting them sit near them. They are a big deathtrap in Warhammer.
That's a good point. If your army takes a beating taking the settlement and you're in an attrition zone, what post-battle option do you pick, just sack and run?
@@robertsprankle6127 AI on legendary knows that too so that's exactly what they always do, sack and run XD
@@robertsprankle6127 if enemy army is nearby i just sack and leave, and get to ambush stance, or I pick an encampment stance if they can't reach me. I like to take my time so I don't have to fight every battle with half of the army depleated.
It really depends on situation. A nearby garrison can be enough to give a single stack the option to disable control large armies even if the garrison is small and badly damaged which might be what a single stack needs to take down 2 or more stacks. For range or mobility heavy armies this could be combined with AI controlling the garrison to potentially out number single stack attackers and act as a useful distraction. Garrison units are free and completely disposable which can be significant value depending on the circumstances.
I think my 2 favorite things about Legend's videos are:
1. His sayings, such as:
"Snickerdoodle-doo, mothaf*****"
2. His mocking impressions of us as viewers with stupid opinions, before he proceeds to school us on exactly why, such as:
"But Legend... (insert simpleton advice)"
I don't understand why CA made units like ratling guns and jezails not shoot at single entities. Their projectiles are so fast, I don't see how one could consistently waste their ammo by dodging so I don't see how them saving their ammo is supposed to be better at stopping player cheese. It seems like a classic case of trying to be too clever with the AI design instead of just sticking to what makes the most sense in the majority of scenarios. I still think it shouldn't be too hard to have a unit do a logic check every 10% of ammo used or something like that and if they've done virtually 0 damage with that 10%, then maybe have them move/stop shooting/change tactics.
I'm waiting for Legend's isekai anime where he's summoned to fantasy land to be the hero general of the prophecy.
I can already see him beating the demon lord's army with a bunch of peasants, a mule, and some shitty wizard.
That would be the best anime ever made. Legend would be like: "Okay, you peasant horseman, your job is to run behind the enemy lines and get half of them to chase you so they come at us in waves. Archers get in square formation and don't waste your ammo on trash. You, shitty wizard wait till they blob up in this chokepoint we're setting up and use all your fire spells there. Lord Fuckface, I need you to go kill all their missile units. NO, don't bother dueling the enemy leaders, they're too strong. We'll just kill them with arrows."
Always defeating insurmountable odds with his crap army.
“Yeah so basically we’re gonna siege this castle with 3 guys on horseback and capture the whole thing because they can’t walk on this weird mountain point.”
@@CrimsonUltrafox Amazing legend impression xD
I love witnessing Legend discover cheese in real time. I expect to see that banner tomfoolery in a video soon.
16:39 Just casually explaining the concept of "Defeat in Detail" in his own words while mid battle is why he is a Legend.
This is so dwarf...one slayer running at 2 whole Skaven armies solo!
Skaven: You are out-empty of options!
Dwarfs: We make our own options!
"We have 3 options here. Which one shall we chose?"
Legend: "Option 4. Attack!"
I do always love when someone stumbles across Kazador, who is honestly one of the most broken non LLs in the game. You can stack his Melee stats to such ridiculous degrees that he can throw down with pretty much anything in the game.
I've discover this banner thing long ago, it'll work if second (and third ect) lord with banner are on campaign map and didnt regive this banner in their fight. If lord is wounded or disbanned in your reserve banner wouldn't apply. But technically yes, you can put banners on one army as long you have spare lords and banners
Ref the banner between armies, it requires that the other lord hold onto that banner, and it can’t be equipped in the original army…
but yes if you had enough armies and banners, you could make one army with all the banners
Legend's battles are all Disaster Battles, because whenever he shows up to take command of the fight, it turns into a Disaster for the enemy.
25:50 Watching the Dwarf Lords chasing after the rats with dual axes raised is really funny
31:16 Legend's skaven laugh never gets old.
´Always be the attacker´ - Well. That kind of depends. Was this otherwise going to be a minor settlement defense battle? Dwarfs are *insanely* good at that. You can safely set up behind buildings and lure every rat within the range of your irondrakes getting stuck fighting tough Lords. They'll even march their artillery inside for easy pickings, the only real threat here would've been the poison wind mortars, but you have the gyrocopters for that. I'm pretty confident I would have aced this with just the first army if it were. Then again, the Ogre camp maps aren't favorable. Still. the amount of rats I've murdered this way with just a emergency lord and some RoRs is insane.
Playing as Kazador [Mixu] I at one point recruited an army specifically for defending minor settlements, not a full stack, I wanted them to attack it as often as they could. Just a few irondrakes, heroes and empire mortars with runes on them.
Speed of 50? Swift stunti!
"We Dawi are natural sprinters. Very fast over short distances."
@@TheUltrahypnotoad SHORT!?
How very fitting. Legend fighting a ton of rats and discovering new cheese (the banners)
No-no man thing you were only allowed to run-flee or die-die not fight-scrap!
17:06 That comment is essentially an excerpt from The Art of War
Can't wait to smack down skaven with new slayers under Ungrim command (I have heard that he can upgrade his journey's end to 50%)
- 27:14 WTF was that particular group of Gutter Runners even thinking/trying
- Your Snikch-a-doodle-do bit makes me think you’re settling into the Dad role well-you’re already building your Dad Joke repertoire
- a real treat to end the video with Heirs of Mourkain that far up north for no particular reason, and doing OK! (for a Rouge Army)
The beard itches with pressure on the sweaty brow- A banner of Benny Hill chase: min 36;54 "ledg says loosin that lord wont cause the morale loss" we sayno no we celebrate thing mean tyrant passing good eat take more
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wat
@@Weberkooks😂
After the new patch drops, he can simply roll his face over the keyboard to win this battle.
Oh no, the dwarfs don't get T posed by skaven as much any more??? Horrific
what’s the context to this
@@K1LL0S Dorfs get massive improvements in Thrones, although mostly on campaign side rather than tactical combat.
I love this vids, but I'll admit that the one cheese I don't like or agree to is the "control large armies" one. Either I choose that option because I can handle it at the start of a campaign, or I don't. Anything else doesn't feel like "cheesing" so much as breaking the game. Like choosing to lower difficulty before a battle then upping it, say in Skyrim.
Anybody seen that the dwarves are actually getting a formation option for shield walls like the old tw
@LegendofTotalWar As long as the lord that gave the banner to Ungrim's army is still active, you can put as many banners as they can take.
I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me!
After Ungrim healed up he still had the wounds on him even after he was above 20% hp, is that supposed to be like that?
Wound only goes away after battle.
Legend Quote " I just can't use these gyrocopters!" and this is why no one ever used them, hopefully this will change with the new rework.
Second battle was just 👌👌👌👌
Scaven artillery derped out so hard they just stood in one place for the whole fight and sent cannon crews to fight Ungrim in melee...
huh never knew that about banners and other armies. Thanks, that actually helps a lot
Came here after the Espeth gameplay trailer dropped
cool story bruh
I feel his vids should get more likes per view than they do.
seems like that second army bugged out & did nothing. had 3 dwarf heroes wrecking them & the missile units straight up did nothing :(
Legend picks the most aggressive option? That's never happened before
omg 5:30 tips of the century! I never knew this!
My god that was frustrating to watch. The dance of "refusing to use the gyrocopters because we need an early army losses so we let 5x as much damage get done to our units driving the army losses way back but still must absolutely cherish the gyrocopters" probably will not catch on with anyone else.
That banner cheese is very interesting!!
Seems like the AI won't shoot lords with ratlings... guessing this is a quirk of very hard to prevent ammo wasting? This tactic wouldn't work on normal. Seems so strange that this battle would've been harder on normal as the ratlings would shoot anything
Those banners... It would be really funny if somebody would use that bug on beastmen with their mortis engine banners hehe.
Sounds like a Rating your Doomstack battle is coming.
I love this idea.
As usual best defence is offence!
ABA (Always Be Attacker)
Brilliant! Thanks🍻
Is there any reasoning behind the chain-clicking of formations when you're moving things?
best situation in a while this is awesome
it seems like attacking is the better option near always...
whats the deal with not using large army? Does it stop the enemy bringing on too many units? only viable when outnumbered ?
If you allow large army, both sides can bring up to 40 units to the field at once. Not using large army limits unit count on the field to 20 maximum. So if, for example, you are fighting against 2 armies (I think you also need to have at least 2 armies of your own as well) and you don't want to face all of them at once, you can do this. New units for the enemy and yourself will only come onto the field when units are wiped out or leave the field, so the fresh reinforcements will trickle in in small groups.
Viability of this tactic largely depends on the army compositions on both sides I'd say.
3 ways to fail? Those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump those numbers up.
That banner thing is pretty broken stuff. Is it still working or was it patched out?
People should look into game theory. Being aggressive is best.
32:00 so what if we did this with Cathay's 25% wardsave banner?
might be a stupid question but how do you know the balance of power has changed when the bar isn't there?
If you're experienced with every race, you'll recognize the background music. Every race has their own "winning" music. That's how he knows, it takes time to recognize them all, though. So when he withdrew Ungrim there, the music went from Dwarven to Skaven, and he mentions it. Whoever has a higher Balance of Power has their soundtrack play!
why does your top center ui look different than mine? mine has a big ol' meter
Do you accept Troy disaster campaigns? I have a couple..lol
The CPU would NEVER just let me walk up with heroes like this. Like, how? The fuck
at higher difficulties they don't shoot at horse sized or smaller to avoid ammo wasting
legendoftotalwar? more like legendoftotalballs.
What the flying frick dude…
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Good one 😂😂
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32:00 Imagine cult of sotek wardsave banner on any doomstack they have
Ungrim could get up to 50% wardsave just with equipment, not with his unique armour, with armour from forge and banner +10% wardsave from forge
@RRrRRrrRRGoesBrrrRR dwarves have wardsave banner? And anyway i meant putting 20 banners on an army with that bug
@@haisesasaki6457 they do
Legend casually finding a banner exploit
31:47 i got a weaponsteam army with complet speed banner buff on every unit
Wow well done
Dunno how it wasn't obvious that there you just attack the armies that are in raid/forced march stance. Didn't they try that at all?
Woah I've never been this early. Hi Legend!
Legendary
How the hell do you get Kazador Dragonslayer to 201 armor?😮
Cheers❤
3 ways to fail- all of them are "letting clan eshin get out of control"
When I play as Miao Ming, it is one of the first things I do, Kill the sneaky rat. Even early game he is so hard to kill.
It's the End Game Crisis
Alexander reborn
What ferrari mean when they say Plan D:
How can hugrim heal?
22 losses. Someone, pls, autoresolve legend, he needs to get nerfed! 😂
4:20 blaze it!
Skaven AA guns are strong strong in this one one
Legends you should see the fkin video about empire dlc its amazing!
Cool
5:40 banner exploit
oi oi
3 ways to fail seems a little harsh and unkind. Not everyone is a Legend, hence the title.
the ai is so stupid. Look at all this power creep in thrones of decay. Is the ai going to be ready to give a challenge?
30 seconds ago?? what?
Dwarves update is dog water compared to chaos dwarves. I prefer it as a paid dlc that way it's better quality
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Did you call your parents to tell them about your achievement?
@@ianover6838 you are awfully salty lmao
@@ianover6838 first