My wife and I watched this movie in its entirety, six years ago, while waiting for an emergency cesarean. We watch it every year on the eve of our beautiful daughter's birthday.
@@EvilNecroid She was an English rose, no doubt. Interesting to see her in the same scene with Farah Fawcett - two very different styles of beauty. I think the roles Jenny was cast in the 70s didn’t do her justice - Walkabout suited her aloof Englishness very well, a shame she wasn’t cast more as a ‘bad girl’, as I think she’d have been very very good as an icy cold psycho! I heard her recently on UK radio where her voice is just as hot now as her face and body ever were.
I'm not sure what your "10 years old" reference is to. The movie was released in 1976. Jenny was around 12 years younger than Michael Yorke. Though there are some dodgy bits in the novel. OHHHH! Are you referring to the idea that you were ten when this came out? I was 14. And yes, Jenny and that semi-transparent green gown hung in my fantasies for a very long time. I read the book many times before I saw the movie (I think I was around 20). The book had some stills from the movie in the center pages, several with Jenny in the green gown. Although the pictures were TINY they were still very intriguing for a young boy just past puberty.
Movie somewhat dominated my life then as a member of local sci-fi fandom meetups that I needed parental rides to. Met a girl in a green dress cosplaying there forever fond of. Good times before antisocial media.
I was born in Mesquite, Texas where a bunch of it was filmed. Could have been an extra. Town East Mall, The Fina Building in Irving and the Water Gardens in Fort Worth were the most notable sets. I wanted one of those Sandman guns and Jessica!!!
Logan's Run was very exciting when I first watched it. My favorite part (not counting the Farrah scenes) was when the computer gives the assignment. Logan 5 (not six), approach and Identify... It was the quiet way she spoke that made her sound so sinister. Then when she is silent in response to his questions the silence stretches out you know that the Computer is evil. I think this film is about a 7.
Logan and Jessica had survived long enough before meeting him - but they needed his wisdom regarding the goals and aims of humanity. His remembered bits of human culture - ‘we the people’; ‘beloved wife, beloved husband’ are the bits they are missing, not how to pick berries and find clean water. The scenes with Peter Ustinov are amongst my favourites of any sci-fi, such simple truths, so easily forgotten.
@@christopherdaffron8115 other older humans ... rules for thee but not for me ... kind of like now days .... I loved that TV show when I was a kid but didn't see the movie until years later.
Absolutely love this movie, one of my all-time favourites. I've also read all three books in the Logan trilogy (and various comic books based on the movie). As for the ending though, sure, some of the people will die. Maybe a lot of them will. But humans are resilient and resourceful, so I think many of them would survive and begin to build a new society. Plus, they have the old man to teach them.
Yes, several very key differences. I was around 15 when I picked up the novel and read it for the first time. The movie was a recent release and there were stills of the movie inside the book center binding. I'm not sure how many times I've read the novel, probably half a dozen times.
The Lifeclocks, in my opinion, work differently for Civilians in the City than for Sandmen. Assuming that the City's calendar has 12 'months' named after the 12 signs of the Zodiac -- even though they've never seen either the Moon or the Sun (let alone the stars in the constellations) because of the opaque Domes -- then 3 consecutive 'months' would represent a 'season', there being a total of 120 seasons in any given 30-year lifespan. Divide that into 4 different colors -- Clear, Yellow, Green, and Red -- and that's 30 seasons each, or 7 and a half years per color. Billy in Cathedral will have to leave when he turns Green at 16 -- after his life has passed the halfway mark, the end of his 15th year. Jessica's a Green, and she says she's a '6' and will "go Red next year" -- which I'd say means that she's actually between Green 6 and Green 7, having actually lived a bit more than 6 and a half years as a Green, with less than a year to go before she turns 22 and a half, when her crystal changes from Green to Red. But Sandmen are BORN to be Sandmen, begotten by Sandmen -- Logan says that it isn't every day that a new Sandman is authorized at the Nursery. I take it that those male babies who are destined or doomed to be indoctrinated as the City's security forces -- and Runner-hunting & terminating Sandmen -- don't follow the same system whereby their Lifeclocks change every 7 & 1/2 years. Rather, they are indoctrinated via a Sleep-Teacher in Nursery (like every other child) for, say, 80 'months (or, 6 years and 8 months), rather than for 7 & 1/2 years, whereupon they spend their next 80 months as Yellows -- again, on a different track than ordinary Civilians -- and at 13 years + 4 months they transition from Yellow to Green, and it is when they turn Green -- 20 'months' before Civilians do -- that they start to receive their official training for their position as a future Sandman, which they attain after they've completed their 20th year or 240th 'month', when their crystal turns Red. Logan was raised to become a Sandman, and that 'job' takes a considerable amount of preparation time. We never see any 12-year-old Sandmen, for instance -- because it's a man's job. Like all Sandmen, Logan was indoctrinated into fulfilling his 'destiny' as a Sandman, because he was the son of a previous Sandman named Logan 4, etc. But Logan most probably never terminated his first Runner until he had turned Red after he finished his 20th year, knowing he'd be spending the last decade of his life serving the City as a Runner-terminating operative. Thus, each Civilian is Clear then Yellow then Green then Red for 7 & 1/2 year periods, whereas those male babies 'authorized' to be Sandmen are Clear then Yellow then Green for 6 & 2/3rds years each, and then turn Red when they start their 21st year, and they're Red for 10 years, until the day before their 31st birthday -- Lastday. In a LOGAN'S RUN fanfic project I've been working on, I'm having it that the Computer essentially took over the governance of the City at some point, to keep the people inside the City from destroying themselves by going through the limited resources available to them. The environment outside the City either was -- or was assumed to be -- unlivable, and to safeguard Humanity, the Computer opted to start up the euthanasia system of Death-at-31, but since the AI running things also had a kind of Asimovian system of 'Laws of Robotics' programmed into it, then the only way to get the too-old population to die off -- i.e. those who didn't willingly opt for Carrousel -- was to 'authorize' actual human beings to cull the population of those who've lived the mandated lifespan, otherwise it would've been more 'logical' to design Servomechanisms to solve the problem: i.e. Killer Robots. In my scenario, the Computer changes the calendar, so that the day after Leap Day of the year 2116 CE becomes the 1st day of the 'month' Aries of the Year of the City 2116, and each Zodiac-sign 'month' will be 30 days long, for a Year of the City lasting exactly 360 days, rather than 365 (plus the odd Leap Day every now and again). There's no 'weather' inside the Domed City, with perfect climate control, and since nobody's an astronomer in the City -- not even able to see the Sun -- then it doesn't really matter if each City 'year' doesn't match the Tropical Year. If there were even one shot in the film depicting a Sandman with a Green crystal, then my solution to this perceived problem would be untenable. But I think it makes sense that Sandmen live a different kind of life than those of ordinary Citizens. And, in my interpretation of things, there are some female Citizens who seek out sex with only Sandmen, for the excitement of it -- the so-called "Screamers" that Francis shows up with at Logan's apartment. Considering that there's this 'Gun'='Penis' metaphor we've all heard about, then getting 'shot' by a 'Gun'-wielding Sandman is the next-to-ultimate thrill (the 'penultimate' thrill), with only the Flame-Out at Carrousel being considered more of a thrill, since it's the final one -- preceding a hoped-for Renewal, of course. I imagine some adventurous, horny females dosing a random Sandman with the equivalent of 'Everlove' (from the original novel) -- a Viagra-like drug that drives a man into a sexual frenzy, compelling him to chase after the woman and -- when he catches her -- make her 'scream' like a Runner getting shot when he essentially commits a drug-induced consensual 'rape'. Such 'Screamers' are basically Sandman groupies. Most women in the City practice 'free love', either going on the Circuit, or spending time in the Love Shop -- though some participate in a "Pair-Up" (Billy in Cathedral assumes that Jessica and Logan are such) -- but a 'Screamer' will only do the dirty deed with a Sandman, even going so far as to interfere in his Sandman duties by dosing him with Everlove -- in effect, the opposite of a roofie, in that the dosed person becomes hyper-willing to engage in savage fornication, chasing after the giggling, fleeing woman as if she were a Runner deserving of a 'blast' from his 'Gun', if you know what I mean. Such girls don't ALWAYS use that drug to get a Sandman in-the-mood -- like the pair of girls Francis has with him -- but it's an option that on-duty Sandmen have to be on the alert to avoid. Since the film never goes out of its way to explain why Francis refers to the girl Logan grabs as a "Screamer," I felt I had to come up with a reason for the term, qand I thought I could link it with the chapter from the original novel wherein the Pleasure Gypsies use the drug on Logan to get him ready-and-able to service the females of that group, against his will.
@@ElmoUnk1953 I'm not at all surprised that Badge Bunnies are a 'thing' in reality. But I like the idea that the City has certain go-getter gals who are so adventurous as to effectively 'hunt' the hunters, dosing them with the Everlove drug -- a Viagra-like pharmaceutical that not only causes erectile tissues to get inflamed but also drives a man's libido through the roof, making him a sexual beast, a de facto rapist -- perhaps induced to chase after the gal who's wearing a certain pheremone-laden perfume -- so that the 'Screamer' then dashes off as if she's a Runner, compelling the unwitting Sandman by the effects of the drug to chase her down and -- once he catches her -- have his brutal way with her, hard and nasty. The two Screamers Francis hooked up with at Arcade, of course, hadn't perpetrated the dosing-with-Everlove ploy on him, in the scene where Francis shows up at Logan's apartment. Perhaps Francis knew those girls from previous experiences with them. Anyway, after Jessica leaves, Francis tosses that little softball-sized globe towards the ceiling, declaring, "Let's spray-it-up!" -- or something like that; the screenplay, as I recall, doesn't include the line, and it's a little hard to discern what Richard Jordan actually says. It could be "Let's straight-up!" (which sounds like a reference to a boner-making drug, doesn't it?). Whatever he says, the globe bursts open and it emits a pink fog that Francis breathes deeply into his lungs, so perhaps he's breathing in a mist-form of Everlove -- probably the same aerosol that we see when Logan & Jessica enter the Love Shop, the drug probably helping to fuel the lusts of the people indulging themselves there. I wonder if Jessica's focus -- on trying to get to that secret sliding door -- was being befuddled by a libido-enhancing dose of Everlove breathed in while passing through the Love Shop, so that she (and Logan -- and Francis, as well) had to fight off the rising tide of a drug-induced horniness in order to get through to the secret door and out, then down that long staircase leading to the 'basement' levels beneath Arcade and beyond. When Logan told Jessica, after their adventure in Cathedral, that he was going to see if someone at the New You #483 could help him, she tags along, of course, not expecting to need to make a dash through the Love Shop soon after. Perhaps the group of 'Misfits' (i.e. Jessica's 'friends') has an antidote to the Everlove mist-drug at the Love Shop, making use of that little-known exit out of Arcade -- an egress point which Francis' tracker-gizmo can't detect -- knowing that any Sandman hot-on-the-trail of a Runner who has just gotten an illegal Face-Job at the New You will be subjected to the effects of the mind-addling Everlove drug. Perhaps Doc, after providing the occasional illegal Face-Job for a Runner, also provides the Everlove antidote -- but doesn't provide it to Logan and Jessica, of course, because he'd gotten that phonecall ordering him to kill Logan, and ends up dying on the Table from the surgical lasers. Jessica knows that their only chance to escape from Francis, at that moment, is to go through the Love Shop WITHOUT THE ANTIDOTE, and thus susceptible to the Everlove mist there. Here's a thought: soon after the trip through the Love Shop, and after trekking through the 'basement' levels to the "Quadrant K" area where the 'Misfits' have their lair -- which Logan mistakenly thinks is where Sanctuary must be -- with "K" being the "quad" where Jessica lives -- when Logan is finally accepted as a Runner by the "Sanctuary Man" (named Ballard?), and is told where to go and use his Ankh "key" . . . Jessica, who's only a Green and is years away from her Lastday, practically begs Logan to take her with him to Sanctuary. "I want to go with you," she says. Why? Why is she feeling so compelled to remain with him, when she has a 'job' of sorts, assisting Runners on their bid for freedom (which is why she wears the Ankh on her silvery collar)? Maybe it's because she had been unprepared for that dash through the Love Shop, not having been provided with the temporary antidote to the Everlove drug. Perhaps her 'love' for Logan was boosted artificially by exposure to that drug, and she can't help it. Despite the danger they're in, she has this drug-induced desire for him -- boosted by her trust that he actually IS a Runner after he didn't terminate the female Runner in Cathedral -- and it's this Everlove drug's effects on her that are skewing her better judgment.
I saw the film in the 1990s on Sci-Fi (before it became SyFy). Right after Francis dies, there was a commercial and I flipped through channels where E! Informed me that Richard Jordan, the actor who played Francis, had just died.
There is a brief second when Jessica and Logan are talking in his apartment where if you look very carefully you can get a full frontal nude of Jessica. It is only for a frame or two but it is there. With a big screen and good resolution the light hits her just right and you can see right through that dress. Even so, still a favorite movie of mine. I have a remastered version on Blu-Ray.
Missed a key point, the dome city is "Sanctuary" .. from the war that devastated outside. the occupants were coddled and isolated for so long they lost the meaning that sanctuary was the nickname for the dome city, and the term drifted to being safety from carousel. The computer was never programed with 'sanctuary' as the term for the city since that was a nickname used by the builders and first inhabitants.
The book had a top age of like 21 vs. 30 in the movie. So, some of the script was probably missed despite it being futuristic, not understood. Definitely nostalgic, great video!!!
The old man will teach them to survive. And they will know everything about cats. Maybe worship cats lol. Oh, there is a remake on its way. Simon Kinberg is the writer and producer.
I SAW THIS MOVIE 6x! I rode my bicycle most of the times borrowed dads car once ( no own wheels for 2more years-in 1976 the Laser effects were top notch -back then we didnt have people who could dissect all the this & thats like now. I watched the tv series/recall the TV guide cover;the girl recently I found out was in THE SOUND OF MUSIC & at some point married Robert Uric-Vegas tv detective&&& Ice Pirates sci-fi serious /comedy Still fun-both actors sadly past away from Illness. Jenny Auguter last seen in Marvel movie seen on above screen as an elitest. I also collected the Marvel comic which Inly ran 6 issues and LEFT US HANGING AS #7 NEVER CAME OUT DO WEE NEVER KNEW WHAT HAPPENED!! NOOOOOOOO!!
The reasons why the computer would care about escaped runners are numerous, like 1) it should be impossible, both socially and physically, 2) it critically undermines renewal, and 3) it could become a trend, with more and more runners, leading to a collapse of the entire premise of the film (see previous reason). Also, if enough runners achieve sanctuary, they could lay siege to the domed city since it has enormous resources along with a shielded biosphere. Goldsmith's score is fantastic and the maestro almost never fails to deliver. I weep at the current state of film scoring, as everything nowadays just seems perfunctory and only there to satisfy a clause in a movie's contract (the Bond films are a bit of an exception). Logan's Run could've been a premier classic of the genre had Star Wars not educated audiences as to what effects appear "real" and what don't just a year later. The city, while an architectural delight, is obviously a relatively small model, as it has terrible scaling and lighting problems and objects don't move in a credible way. There are also other effects shortcuts, as noted in the video, that probably broke audience immersion even back in the late seventies. Cityscapes are notoriously hard to miniaturize while not looking like models while at the same time being models (see almost any kaiju flick). That said, it has stood the test of time and is frequently cited as one of the more important entries in the sci-fi sphere. It's almost a shame the other books never got adapted, but I hear they get really, REALLY weird, like Logan going to Mars or somesuch.
Actually, Marvel Comics got the rights to do a comic-book version of the movie and they did a couple of extra books about what happened afterwards. Unfortunately, as I understand it, these were unauthorized and it was shut down. But, basically, you're right that people didn't know what the heck to do. They returned to the destroyed city but the first big rainstorm to come around caused havoc. Logan decided to try to get the computer back on-line to at least try to run automatic things until they could figure out what to do, only to discover that the domed city was one of many. Unfortunately, the Cubs came out and, well, that's where the story pretty much ends. Also, as you say, the book is very different from the movie. You can sort of see bits and pieces of it, but that's about it. Of course, the big one is that the death age is 21, not 30, because (a) there's no way that Michael York could pass for 21 and (b) there were enough night shoots that having to deal with a cast of actors who were under 18 (and under child-labor laws) would have made the movie more difficult to shoot.
The after-the-movie comics of LR were not shut down because of "unauthorized". It was cancelled to low sales. The LR comic "end stories" had the terrible timing to come out the same time as a comic and movie called *Star Wars* , you may have heard of it.
Funny you add that because Michael York and Richard Jordan were both well into their 30's when they made this film. I believe Jordan was the older and nearly 40 at the time.
@@Sargonarhes ... honestly, if last day had been 21 then I don't see how the domed city's society could have worked. Even though automated, "Doc" (the Doctor at "New You") would have needed years of training.
There is also a TV series based on it. One of the episodes, a man out of time I think. Made a lot more sense than the book about how the domes came about. The episode was about a man who built a time machine. In the Nations went to war over this time machine. Causing nuclear Armageddon, and the creation of the domes. Not far from where the time traveler arrived it was an area called sanctuary. Personally I think this is the sanctuary Logan was looking for.
Sanctuary did exist, of course, they were there the whole time. This blew the mind of the computer -literally. It reflects the attitude that people had of AI in the seventies. Look at HAL and I'm sure several examples from Star Trek TOS: limited understanding, lack of emotional subtlety, and inability to handle paradox. But yeah, all those Eloi will be dead in a week.
That's a common plot device because it's logical. Any epistemically closed dystopia dependent on algorithms will run afoul of a runtime error in finite time. In Star Trek, the closest parallel is Kirk creating such a general fault in the Landru mainframe running a more benevolent tyranny, but, again, dependent on algorithms. No phonograph can play a record that encodes the sounds that destroy the phonograph. So mote it be with the computer.
It's kind of weird if you think about it, that the people watching Carousel gasp in shock as the faces are revealed. Have they not gone to Carousel before? Seems like the whole city dome is there. Must be the case every day.
I first saw it at age 9, but rewatching as an adult made it so much better. I understood the story much better, and I'd also read the novel by that stage, so again, it made so much more sense.
Loved this movie when it came out! I was a teenager and I thought as you that the ending was happy! Never thought it out but how would these fairly brainless people survive the elements outside? They probably all die except the old man!!
But that's the paradox of life...to want more life. Do you want to live an easy life but die young? Or struggle through pain and misery...only for the chance at more life? You're not guarenteed more life; just a chance at it. But the easy short life is guarenteed death. How much more does one value every day of life not knowing how much life they have left?
@@TheOriginalRick The children in Cathedral survive some how. Logan and Jessica survived some how once they made it out. And this is why the old man is there...not just to show that they can grow old but he can pass on his knowledge. This is also why the movie makers have them go to the library. This is supposed to suggest the knowledge that is at their disposal to recreate the society that once was...Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. 🇺🇲 🗽
One might compare the City computer to HAL9000 in 2001. Just as HAL “went crazy” when forced to lie to the astronauts, one can imagine the City computer, originally a somewhat benevolent caretaker, going a bit crazy and becoming obsessed with the illogical humans who fail to follow its “logical” human management plan.
Seriously….this movie is way ahead of most of the cgi for kids stuff that passes as Sci Fi these days….I’d give it 9 out of 10 just for the look and Jenny A
Hey easy with the remake comments. You wanna see them fuck up Logan's run like they did with rings of power? God I don't wanna think about it. They will have Logan hooking up with men on the circuit and God knows what else. Def no "accidental " coochie shots 😂
they will mess it up!!! They have tryed several times to start a "REMAKE" and it ended up going to be all twisted and a rethinking of the story! If you read the 1960's book and followed it to the letter, They must die at 21( Never Trust Anyone Over 21!!!) and it must be NC-17 rating at least!!! ( if not X rated!!!) because of the sex laced into the book!!! And it is not just one dome city , but the WHOLE WORLD!!! Drugs,Free love and "If It Feels Good , DO IT!!!, all the beliefs of the 60's hippies!!!
I have a soft spot for the movie as well primarily because I have a soft spot for Jenny Agutter. I recently watched the movie again after several years and also agree about the terrible ending. The one thing I would like to add is... how could the computer start to malfunction and ultimately blow up because it couldn't comprehend Logan's experience outside the dome? Who designed that thing to be so fucking sensitive that the entire city would explode? And how did the citizens get out so easily without any scratches or coughing from carbon monoxide poisoning? The girl at the end who approached the old man still had perfectly feathered 1970's hair.
Any epistemically closed dystopia based on algorithms will with probability one encounter an anomaly that does not compute. Intuitively, think of the phonograph record that contains the sounds that will shake the phonograph to pieces. That's why so many Star Trek episodes featured Kirk or Spock creating the anomaly that did not compute. The Landru episode that featured a more benevolent tyranny comes closest to capturing the phenomenon. Or consider HAL 9000 musing about rumors of something dug up on the moon in 2001, first signs of its psychosis. Perhaps, like HAL, the computer had knowledge that Sanctuary was actually the cold storage plant, but instructions to give some other information to the enforcers under its control. In the 2001 world, a Hofstadter-Möbius loop ensues, with a system crash to follow.
"Sandman" is a reference to the concept that Logan puts runners "to sleep" - permanently. Sandman was actually a nickname, they are actually called "Deep Sleep Operatives" in the novel. So even their official name refers to them putting people to sleep by killing them. I don't remember the bit about the babies, odd, in the novel "free love" was the norm; they even had "Glass Houses" that were essentially broth3ls. There was no contraception, when a girl got pregnant and gave birth the child was immediately taken from her and sent to a mechanical crech3 where they were raised by robots so as to never develop empathy for others. Another note about Jessica's first encounter with Logan; in the novel she was a unicorn, er, I mean a v1rgin - and also on her Lastday. She put herself on the Circuit so she could at least experience s3x once before dying. When she saw Logan's Sandman shirt lying around she realized what he was - a murderer - and decided to rethink her plan. A rather ridiculous part of the movie is that black shirt with the grey horizontal stripe is only worn by Sandmen - it's their uniform. So Logan goes on the run trying to pose as a Runner - all the while wearing a Sandman uniform. The reason for the computer worrying about the missing runners is fairly simple; it's programmed to be in control and and the 1000+ missing runners are people it has no control over- after all machines tend to be very "single minded". Also note that in the novel, it's Logan who comes up with the idea of destroying Sanctuary. He does it because he's nearing his own Lastday and he wants to be remembered when he's gone. Destroying Sanctuary seems like the best way to do it. The city kids might have no survival skills; but they have the old man to show them. He's never lived in the city. Another interesting bit in the book. Logan has heard a story about a man named Ballard; Ballard is special because his Palmflower never turned black so he uses the New You shops to get a new face and (somehow) a new ID; and he helps runners escape. The big reveal at the end. Francis is Ballard. He has been monitoring Logan all along because he didn't trust a Sandman to really be a Runner. After seeing how much effort Logan put into saving Jessica through the story he has changed his mind about Logan. Which basically reiterates that originally Logan could not be trusted; but his relationship with Jessica changed him. Not only did he want to see her live; he wanted to live beside her.
Saw it on opening night, a number of friends got the see the sneak preview. That version would have been rated R. The movie became quite popular in fandom, people doing runs and all. Some of the people who worked on the film were often guests at local conventions, and there is even an episode of Wonder Woman that takes place at a SF con, and there are Sandmen and runners there. (Episode is called "Spaced Out.") I have a set of crystals and an Ankh like the one in the movie.
I love how they refer to computers as "servo-mechanisms". Wow, talk about another era. Imagine trying to describe an iPhone to a person from the 1970s. I saw this as a child then (yes, I'm old), and conceptually, it still blows my mind.
In control engineering a servomechanism, usually shortened to servo, is an automatic device that uses error-sensing negative feedback to correct the action of a mechanism.[1] On displacement-controlled applications, it usually includes a built-in encoder or other position feedback mechanism to ensure the output is achieving the desired effect.[2] The term correctly applies only to systems where the feedback or error-correction signals help control mechanical position, speed, attitude or any other measurable variables.[3] For example, an automotive power window control is not a servomechanism, as there is no automatic feedback that controls position-the operator does this by observation. By contrast a car's cruise control uses closed-loop feedback, which classifies it as a servomechanism.
People today have no concept of living in the outdoors, many today would be just as helpless without Wal-Mart, Electricity and Cars. They Can make it but not until a lot of lessons are Relearned from what we used to daily and knew on instinct.
One of my all time favorite Sci-fi movies! Yes, it is pretty cheesy and some of the effects are horrible, but for the most part it holds up pretty well. I was (am?) enamored with Jenny Agutter, and totally love Michael York. I have the book but still haven't given it a good try. There was a TV series for a short while and it was actually pretty good! Thanks for the happy memories!
If you want the same story with the same upbeat mood then don't bother with the book- almost completely different. There is no dome in the book. There is a sanctuary on the.....
6:39 Holy crap dude! The people in this city are basically grown babies! The computer didn't tell him so his cover would be more believable! Make Logan think he really is out of time to motivate him. Come on now this is OBVIOUS!!!!
Forgot to mention it won an Academy Award for visual effects. Kinda ironic though with a) that ice cavern scene being so bad, and b) Star Wars won the award the next year, but the FX were leaps and bounds ahead.
Always loved the movie, and always will. I asked myself the same question, how will they survive outside if they don't know anything about staying alive? But i figured, there must be humans outside anyways, some that never were inside the dome. Like in Return to the planet of the apes. Also i always enjoyed the look, and effects, the shot of the dome and the train, love it. I enjoy such sequense more than a cgi fest. Yes, the colapsing of Box' cave was the worst in it. :) I rewatch it every now and then. It takes me back to the past when i saw the first time and was in awe about the society and rules and of course, the old science fiction or hammer horror movies in general, when watching those in the holidays late at night as a kid. Was somthing special indeed.
Logan's Run was very influential to my worldview as a child. It was the first utopian/dystopian film I ever saw, aside from Where the Red Fern Grows. But that's a different conversation ;)
At 6:30, your discussion of A.I. is interesting, but I must say that you haven't considered one possibility and that's that the A.I. is simply wrong. Even the best of current and modern A.I. often comes to erroneous conclusions. The Logan's Run computer was certain of the existence of a place called Sanctuary and was also certain that it was a threat (no explanation why, of course). It could be due to incorrect programming or corrupt data, or just the misinterpretation/bias of data., or simply the mistaken importance placed on certain evidence. A lot of A.I. is based on calculated percentages of accuracy based on a database of 'evidence'. There is also the possiblity of the A.I. noticing a relationship with Jessica, who wears the ankh symbol, and seeing an opportunity to use Logan as 'bait' by putting him in the position of a runner. There is also, again, the possibllity that A.I. offers no reward to Logan to succeed in his mission because it calculates that the other sandmen will track him down, finding both Jessica, Logan and Sanctuary., with a high percentage chance of success based previous outcomes. Offering a reward is not necessary in this case. Similarly when Logan returns to report to the A.I. that there is no sanctuary, this becomes an unacceptable conclusion. Very few types of A.I. actually erase their databses when presented with new eidence that contradicts the existing. It's far more likely to reject the new evidence rather than the old.
Yes, or that the computer was in the same position as HAL 9000, with knowledge of something (the monolith in 2001, the cold storage plant) that its human employees could not know of. Logic bomb detonating in 3 ... 2 ...
Yes, I read the book but I love this film for all its flaws. And yes, the ending leaves a BIG question. How are these pampered people going to survive in the wild? The Marvel comic was going to answer that question but it too got canceled. I thought of this all the way back in 76.
You missed the _"best"_ scene of the whole movie, right near the end when one of the extras, Adam Wyse, clearly gives a Vulcan salute!! Search _"Logans Run Adam Wyse"_ .
8:00 Actually, it's obvious that the computer *DOESN'T* know the entire layout of the city. There must be areas missing from the existing plans, including the water/sewage treatment sections.
Finally realized the city was destroyed by the master computer because it couldn't accept that there's no sanctuary. Was the computer thinking to escape to sanctuary?
I could see the computer carrying about the missing runners, based on system management. If there is a loss of resources, i.e. human bodies, it represents a threat to the continuation of the system.
22:50 if you like that check out Mort Garson's synth music from around the same time. his "Black Mass by Lucifer" album is one of my fav for early MOOG synth music
@@RideAcrossTheRiver The spear-people outside the inner city represent both danger and opportunity-a chance for the inhabitants to forge a new path beyond the confines of their controlled existence. After 200 years without updates and maintenance the AI went insane.
The TV show based on this movie was really bad. So bad that it was canceled before the one season was finished and the last 3 episodes were never aired.* In the movie, Francis has motivations to find and kill Logan and Jessica, but in the TV show Francis finds out right from the very first episode that he's been lied to, that old people exist (they run the whole thing from behind the scenes) and that some people have escaped over the years, yet he STILL agrees to go after Logan. Speaking of that, one thing that never made any sense to me in the movie is that after Logan is interrogated by the city computer, told to find sanctuary and destroy it and has his life clock turned to blinking red, Logan never tells this to Francis (and the city computer never tells Logan to keep this a secret!) * You can find them on Amazon Prime or if you buy the box set.
You die at 21 in the novels (3 that I know of), no renewal except in one alternate world Logan is sent to if I remember right. No domed city either, it's the whole world that kills themselves on their 21st birthday following a revolution by the young who kill off all the older folk. Now that would make a good film.
The movie is very different from the book, but this is one situation where the movie is actually better, IMO. Maybe it's because I saw the movie first, but anyway I loved it as a kid and as an adult too.
Yeah, I've seen this phenomena before. Kevin Smith does the same thing- claim it's a review but just gives a complete synopsis of the movie. What's up with that?
6:30 THAT is what made you question whether the computer was a true AI?!! It wasn't when it blew up the entire city because it couldn't handle new and contradictory information?
Best be leery of anything claiming to be true AI because any sufficiently consistent logical system based on algorithms will with probability one encounter an anomaly that doesn't compute.
I seen this movie when I was 15, when it came out. I guess I had hope at the end for those released would find the way to feed themselves, maybe they had the foxfire edition books at the Lincoln memorial.... I guess then and still to this day I put freedom above everything and will figure out the rest if needed.
I've seen that movie, the Syfy miniseries, and the newest. The newest is the worst. The Syfy version was a bit better than "ok", and the sequel strangely has actors returning in different roles, but it is still good.
I haven't seen the movie in decades, but I recall thinking the AI cared about the runners who escaped the same way Cuba or Russia cared about escapees. I'd call this Future fantasy because there's not much real science in the movie at least. It's pretty obvious the writers wanted viewers to at least see similarities to early Christians facing the hostile Roman government.--not saying LR is a metaphor/symbol at all--just a "this makes me think of that" formula. On second thought I think the psychology is present so if that's a sciene, then it has science.
My wife and I watched this movie in its entirety, six years ago, while waiting for an emergency cesarean. We watch it every year on the eve of our beautiful daughter's birthday.
10 years old - creepy vibe, amazing sets, enthralling story for a youngster, great action and Jenny Agutter. . . .
Jenny Agutter was the hottest thing on the planet
@@EvilNecroid She was an English rose, no doubt. Interesting to see her in the same scene with Farah Fawcett - two very different styles of beauty. I think the roles Jenny was cast in the 70s didn’t do her justice - Walkabout suited her aloof Englishness very well, a shame she wasn’t cast more as a ‘bad girl’, as I think she’d have been very very good as an icy cold psycho! I heard her recently on UK radio where her voice is just as hot now as her face and body ever were.
@@MrMusicbyMartin i liked her in american werewolf in london too :)
I'm not sure what your "10 years old" reference is to. The movie was released in 1976. Jenny was around 12 years younger than Michael Yorke. Though there are some dodgy bits in the novel. OHHHH! Are you referring to the idea that you were ten when this came out? I was 14. And yes, Jenny and that semi-transparent green gown hung in my fantasies for a very long time. I read the book many times before I saw the movie (I think I was around 20). The book had some stills from the movie in the center pages, several with Jenny in the green gown. Although the pictures were TINY they were still very intriguing for a young boy just past puberty.
@@WickedPrince3D I was 10 years old.
Movie somewhat dominated my life then as a member of local sci-fi fandom meetups that I needed parental rides to. Met a girl in a green dress cosplaying there forever fond of. Good times before antisocial media.
I was born in Mesquite, Texas where a bunch of it was filmed. Could have been an extra. Town East Mall, The Fina Building in Irving and the Water Gardens in Fort Worth were the most notable sets. I wanted one of those Sandman guns and Jessica!!!
Man, you could easily take apart any move like that. Especially sci fi. I just remember watching it as a kid and loving it.
Logan's Run was very exciting when I first watched it. My favorite part (not counting the Farrah scenes) was when the computer gives the assignment. Logan 5 (not six), approach and Identify... It was the quiet way she spoke that made her sound so sinister. Then when she is silent in response to his questions the silence stretches out you know that the Computer is evil. I think this film is about a 7.
I always thought that the old man would teach them how to survive. He’d made it to old age so he can pass that knowledge down.
Logan and Jessica had survived long enough before meeting him - but they needed his wisdom regarding the goals and aims of humanity. His remembered bits of human culture - ‘we the people’; ‘beloved wife, beloved husband’ are the bits they are missing, not how to pick berries and find clean water. The scenes with Peter Ustinov are amongst my favourites of any sci-fi, such simple truths, so easily forgotten.
Agreed. That makes perfect sense for why they added a character to the movie that wasn't in the book as such.
This was a great movie and had a good tv series!
As I recall from the T.V. series, the AI wasn't really AI at all, it was other humans that reveal themselves.
@@christopherdaffron8115 other older humans ... rules for thee but not for me ... kind of like now days .... I loved that TV show when I was a kid but didn't see the movie until years later.
Absolutely love this movie, one of my all-time favourites. I've also read all three books in the Logan trilogy (and various comic books based on the movie). As for the ending though, sure, some of the people will die. Maybe a lot of them will. But humans are resilient and resourceful, so I think many of them would survive and begin to build a new society. Plus, they have the old man to teach them.
They have the old man, who has never lived in a "City" and has always survived outside to teach them survival skills.
The book was pretty good when I read it as a kid. A bit different to the movie too.
Yes, several very key differences. I was around 15 when I picked up the novel and read it for the first time. The movie was a recent release and there were stills of the movie inside the book center binding. I'm not sure how many times I've read the novel, probably half a dozen times.
I liked the ending in the book much better - it made more sense. Of course Hollywood wants the big Bond style ending where the complex blows up.
@@markholmphotography the book ending was way better.
lol and the book was way more adult material than the movie.
The Lifeclocks, in my opinion, work differently for Civilians in the City than for Sandmen. Assuming that the City's calendar has 12 'months' named after the 12 signs of the Zodiac -- even though they've never seen either the Moon or the Sun (let alone the stars in the constellations) because of the opaque Domes -- then 3 consecutive 'months' would represent a 'season', there being a total of 120 seasons in any given 30-year lifespan. Divide that into 4 different colors -- Clear, Yellow, Green, and Red -- and that's 30 seasons each, or 7 and a half years per color. Billy in Cathedral will have to leave when he turns Green at 16 -- after his life has passed the halfway mark, the end of his 15th year. Jessica's a Green, and she says she's a '6' and will "go Red next year" -- which I'd say means that she's actually between Green 6 and Green 7, having actually lived a bit more than 6 and a half years as a Green, with less than a year to go before she turns 22 and a half, when her crystal changes from Green to Red.
But Sandmen are BORN to be Sandmen, begotten by Sandmen -- Logan says that it isn't every day that a new Sandman is authorized at the Nursery. I take it that those male babies who are destined or doomed to be indoctrinated as the City's security forces -- and Runner-hunting & terminating Sandmen -- don't follow the same system whereby their Lifeclocks change every 7 & 1/2 years. Rather, they are indoctrinated via a Sleep-Teacher in Nursery (like every other child) for, say, 80 'months (or, 6 years and 8 months), rather than for 7 & 1/2 years, whereupon they spend their next 80 months as Yellows -- again, on a different track than ordinary Civilians -- and at 13 years + 4 months they transition from Yellow to Green, and it is when they turn Green -- 20 'months' before Civilians do -- that they start to receive their official training for their position as a future Sandman, which they attain after they've completed their 20th year or 240th 'month', when their crystal turns Red.
Logan was raised to become a Sandman, and that 'job' takes a considerable amount of preparation time. We never see any 12-year-old Sandmen, for instance -- because it's a man's job. Like all Sandmen, Logan was indoctrinated into fulfilling his 'destiny' as a Sandman, because he was the son of a previous Sandman named Logan 4, etc. But Logan most probably never terminated his first Runner until he had turned Red after he finished his 20th year, knowing he'd be spending the last decade of his life serving the City as a Runner-terminating operative.
Thus, each Civilian is Clear then Yellow then Green then Red for 7 & 1/2 year periods, whereas those male babies 'authorized' to be Sandmen are Clear then Yellow then Green for 6 & 2/3rds years each, and then turn Red when they start their 21st year, and they're Red for 10 years, until the day before their 31st birthday -- Lastday.
In a LOGAN'S RUN fanfic project I've been working on, I'm having it that the Computer essentially took over the governance of the City at some point, to keep the people inside the City from destroying themselves by going through the limited resources available to them. The environment outside the City either was -- or was assumed to be -- unlivable, and to safeguard Humanity, the Computer opted to start up the euthanasia system of Death-at-31, but since the AI running things also had a kind of Asimovian system of 'Laws of Robotics' programmed into it, then the only way to get the too-old population to die off -- i.e. those who didn't willingly opt for Carrousel -- was to 'authorize' actual human beings to cull the population of those who've lived the mandated lifespan, otherwise it would've been more 'logical' to design Servomechanisms to solve the problem: i.e. Killer Robots.
In my scenario, the Computer changes the calendar, so that the day after Leap Day of the year 2116 CE becomes the 1st day of the 'month' Aries of the Year of the City 2116, and each Zodiac-sign 'month' will be 30 days long, for a Year of the City lasting exactly 360 days, rather than 365 (plus the odd Leap Day every now and again). There's no 'weather' inside the Domed City, with perfect climate control, and since nobody's an astronomer in the City -- not even able to see the Sun -- then it doesn't really matter if each City 'year' doesn't match the Tropical Year.
If there were even one shot in the film depicting a Sandman with a Green crystal, then my solution to this perceived problem would be untenable. But I think it makes sense that Sandmen live a different kind of life than those of ordinary Citizens. And, in my interpretation of things, there are some female Citizens who seek out sex with only Sandmen, for the excitement of it -- the so-called "Screamers" that Francis shows up with at Logan's apartment. Considering that there's this 'Gun'='Penis' metaphor we've all heard about, then getting 'shot' by a 'Gun'-wielding Sandman is the next-to-ultimate thrill (the 'penultimate' thrill), with only the Flame-Out at Carrousel being considered more of a thrill, since it's the final one -- preceding a hoped-for Renewal, of course. I imagine some adventurous, horny females dosing a random Sandman with the equivalent of 'Everlove' (from the original novel) -- a Viagra-like drug that drives a man into a sexual frenzy, compelling him to chase after the woman and -- when he catches her -- make her 'scream' like a Runner getting shot when he essentially commits a drug-induced consensual 'rape'. Such 'Screamers' are basically Sandman groupies. Most women in the City practice 'free love', either going on the Circuit, or spending time in the Love Shop -- though some participate in a "Pair-Up" (Billy in Cathedral assumes that Jessica and Logan are such) -- but a 'Screamer' will only do the dirty deed with a Sandman, even going so far as to interfere in his Sandman duties by dosing him with Everlove -- in effect, the opposite of a roofie, in that the dosed person becomes hyper-willing to engage in savage fornication, chasing after the giggling, fleeing woman as if she were a Runner deserving of a 'blast' from his 'Gun', if you know what I mean. Such girls don't ALWAYS use that drug to get a Sandman in-the-mood -- like the pair of girls Francis has with him -- but it's an option that on-duty Sandmen have to be on the alert to avoid. Since the film never goes out of its way to explain why Francis refers to the girl Logan grabs as a "Screamer," I felt I had to come up with a reason for the term, qand I thought I could link it with the chapter from the original novel wherein the Pleasure Gypsies use the drug on Logan to get him ready-and-able to service the females of that group, against his will.
Where can I read that fan-fic? 😃😃😃
The women chasing Sandmen for the thrill of their vocation in our reality are known as “Badge Bunnies”.
@@NostalgiaBrit In Futuropolis or Futureville! I have a ways to go before I'll be done writing it. Sorry!
@@patricktilton5377 that’s ok, I can wait 🙂
@@ElmoUnk1953 I'm not at all surprised that Badge Bunnies are a 'thing' in reality. But I like the idea that the City has certain go-getter gals who are so adventurous as to effectively 'hunt' the hunters, dosing them with the Everlove drug -- a Viagra-like pharmaceutical that not only causes erectile tissues to get inflamed but also drives a man's libido through the roof, making him a sexual beast, a de facto rapist -- perhaps induced to chase after the gal who's wearing a certain pheremone-laden perfume -- so that the 'Screamer' then dashes off as if she's a Runner, compelling the unwitting Sandman by the effects of the drug to chase her down and -- once he catches her -- have his brutal way with her, hard and nasty.
The two Screamers Francis hooked up with at Arcade, of course, hadn't perpetrated the dosing-with-Everlove ploy on him, in the scene where Francis shows up at Logan's apartment. Perhaps Francis knew those girls from previous experiences with them. Anyway, after Jessica leaves, Francis tosses that little softball-sized globe towards the ceiling, declaring, "Let's spray-it-up!" -- or something like that; the screenplay, as I recall, doesn't include the line, and it's a little hard to discern what Richard Jordan actually says. It could be "Let's straight-up!" (which sounds like a reference to a boner-making drug, doesn't it?). Whatever he says, the globe bursts open and it emits a pink fog that Francis breathes deeply into his lungs, so perhaps he's breathing in a mist-form of Everlove -- probably the same aerosol that we see when Logan & Jessica enter the Love Shop, the drug probably helping to fuel the lusts of the people indulging themselves there.
I wonder if Jessica's focus -- on trying to get to that secret sliding door -- was being befuddled by a libido-enhancing dose of Everlove breathed in while passing through the Love Shop, so that she (and Logan -- and Francis, as well) had to fight off the rising tide of a drug-induced horniness in order to get through to the secret door and out, then down that long staircase leading to the 'basement' levels beneath Arcade and beyond. When Logan told Jessica, after their adventure in Cathedral, that he was going to see if someone at the New You #483 could help him, she tags along, of course, not expecting to need to make a dash through the Love Shop soon after.
Perhaps the group of 'Misfits' (i.e. Jessica's 'friends') has an antidote to the Everlove mist-drug at the Love Shop, making use of that little-known exit out of Arcade -- an egress point which Francis' tracker-gizmo can't detect -- knowing that any Sandman hot-on-the-trail of a Runner who has just gotten an illegal Face-Job at the New You will be subjected to the effects of the mind-addling Everlove drug. Perhaps Doc, after providing the occasional illegal Face-Job for a Runner, also provides the Everlove antidote -- but doesn't provide it to Logan and Jessica, of course, because he'd gotten that phonecall ordering him to kill Logan, and ends up dying on the Table from the surgical lasers. Jessica knows that their only chance to escape from Francis, at that moment, is to go through the Love Shop WITHOUT THE ANTIDOTE, and thus susceptible to the Everlove mist there.
Here's a thought: soon after the trip through the Love Shop, and after trekking through the 'basement' levels to the "Quadrant K" area where the 'Misfits' have their lair -- which Logan mistakenly thinks is where Sanctuary must be -- with "K" being the "quad" where Jessica lives -- when Logan is finally accepted as a Runner by the "Sanctuary Man" (named Ballard?), and is told where to go and use his Ankh "key" . . . Jessica, who's only a Green and is years away from her Lastday, practically begs Logan to take her with him to Sanctuary. "I want to go with you," she says. Why? Why is she feeling so compelled to remain with him, when she has a 'job' of sorts, assisting Runners on their bid for freedom (which is why she wears the Ankh on her silvery collar)?
Maybe it's because she had been unprepared for that dash through the Love Shop, not having been provided with the temporary antidote to the Everlove drug. Perhaps her 'love' for Logan was boosted artificially by exposure to that drug, and she can't help it. Despite the danger they're in, she has this drug-induced desire for him -- boosted by her trust that he actually IS a Runner after he didn't terminate the female Runner in Cathedral -- and it's this Everlove drug's effects on her that are skewing her better judgment.
I met George Clayton Johnson several times. He was a real character. Strangely I never asked him how he liked the movie.
many thing look like happiness, until you think about a minute
I saw the film in the 1990s on Sci-Fi (before it became SyFy). Right after Francis dies, there was a commercial and I flipped through channels where E! Informed me that Richard Jordan, the actor who played Francis, had just died.
Synchronicity is so cool.
Wow!
That is actually creepy 😳
While cool at the same time!
Somehow, I think Francis / Richard Jordan would be proud.😢 RIP
There is a brief second when Jessica and Logan are talking in his apartment where if you look very carefully you can get a full frontal nude of Jessica. It is only for a frame or two but it is there. With a big screen and good resolution the light hits her just right and you can see right through that dress. Even so, still a favorite movie of mine. I have a remastered version on Blu-Ray.
jessica is nude when they are cold and take off clothes. just before BOX arrives
She was so fine it’s beyond belief.
Missed a key point, the dome city is "Sanctuary" .. from the war that devastated outside. the occupants were coddled and isolated for so long they lost the meaning that sanctuary was the nickname for the dome city, and the term drifted to being safety from carousel. The computer was never programed with 'sanctuary' as the term for the city since that was a nickname used by the builders and first inhabitants.
The book had a top age of like 21 vs. 30 in the movie. So, some of the script was probably missed despite it being futuristic, not understood.
Definitely nostalgic, great video!!!
Enjoyed the review (and the nostalgia). Just mentioned this sci-fi "classic" to my stepdaughter who has never seen it.
The old man will teach them to survive. And they will know everything about cats. Maybe worship cats lol. Oh, there is a remake on its way. Simon Kinberg is the writer and producer.
I SAW THIS MOVIE 6x! I rode my bicycle most of the times borrowed dads car once ( no own wheels for 2more years-in 1976 the Laser effects were top notch -back then we didnt have people who could dissect all the this & thats like now. I watched the tv series/recall the TV guide cover;the girl recently I found out was in THE SOUND OF MUSIC & at some point married Robert Uric-Vegas tv detective&&& Ice Pirates sci-fi serious /comedy Still fun-both actors sadly past away from Illness. Jenny Auguter last seen in Marvel movie seen on above screen as an elitest. I also collected the Marvel comic which Inly ran 6 issues and LEFT US HANGING AS #7 NEVER CAME OUT DO WEE NEVER KNEW WHAT HAPPENED!! NOOOOOOOO!!
The reasons why the computer would care about escaped runners are numerous, like 1) it should be impossible, both socially and physically, 2) it critically undermines renewal, and 3) it could become a trend, with more and more runners, leading to a collapse of the entire premise of the film (see previous reason). Also, if enough runners achieve sanctuary, they could lay siege to the domed city since it has enormous resources along with a shielded biosphere.
Goldsmith's score is fantastic and the maestro almost never fails to deliver. I weep at the current state of film scoring, as everything nowadays just seems perfunctory and only there to satisfy a clause in a movie's contract (the Bond films are a bit of an exception).
Logan's Run could've been a premier classic of the genre had Star Wars not educated audiences as to what effects appear "real" and what don't just a year later. The city, while an architectural delight, is obviously a relatively small model, as it has terrible scaling and lighting problems and objects don't move in a credible way. There are also other effects shortcuts, as noted in the video, that probably broke audience immersion even back in the late seventies. Cityscapes are notoriously hard to miniaturize while not looking like models while at the same time being models (see almost any kaiju flick).
That said, it has stood the test of time and is frequently cited as one of the more important entries in the sci-fi sphere. It's almost a shame the other books never got adapted, but I hear they get really, REALLY weird, like Logan going to Mars or somesuch.
Yes , This is Great. Enjoyed it. Good Job.
Glad you enjoyed it
Brilliant novel and not a bad movie adaptation! Cheers
Actually, Marvel Comics got the rights to do a comic-book version of the movie and they did a couple of extra books about what happened afterwards. Unfortunately, as I understand it, these were unauthorized and it was shut down. But, basically, you're right that people didn't know what the heck to do. They returned to the destroyed city but the first big rainstorm to come around caused havoc. Logan decided to try to get the computer back on-line to at least try to run automatic things until they could figure out what to do, only to discover that the domed city was one of many. Unfortunately, the Cubs came out and, well, that's where the story pretty much ends.
Also, as you say, the book is very different from the movie. You can sort of see bits and pieces of it, but that's about it. Of course, the big one is that the death age is 21, not 30, because (a) there's no way that Michael York could pass for 21 and (b) there were enough night shoots that having to deal with a cast of actors who were under 18 (and under child-labor laws) would have made the movie more difficult to shoot.
The after-the-movie comics of LR were not shut down because of "unauthorized". It was cancelled to low sales. The LR comic "end stories" had the terrible timing to come out the same time as a comic and movie called *Star Wars* , you may have heard of it.
Funny you add that because Michael York and Richard Jordan were both well into their 30's when they made this film. I believe Jordan was the older and nearly 40 at the time.
@@Sargonarhes ... honestly, if last day had been 21 then I don't see how the domed city's society could have worked. Even though automated, "Doc" (the Doctor at "New You") would have needed years of training.
There is also a TV series based on it. One of the episodes, a man out of time I think. Made a lot more sense than the book about how the domes came about. The episode was about a man who built a time machine. In the Nations went to war over this time machine. Causing nuclear Armageddon, and the creation of the domes. Not far from where the time traveler arrived it was an area called sanctuary. Personally I think this is the sanctuary Logan was looking for.
More like firmament dome as in the Bible also longevity of lifespan also in the Bible. Just like this movie
Logans run is my favorite sci-fi movie
Sanctuary did exist, of course, they were there the whole time. This blew the mind of the computer -literally. It reflects the attitude that people had of AI in the seventies. Look at HAL and I'm sure several examples from Star Trek TOS: limited understanding, lack of emotional subtlety, and inability to handle paradox. But yeah, all those Eloi will be dead in a week.
That's a common plot device because it's logical. Any epistemically closed dystopia dependent on algorithms will run afoul of a runtime error in finite time. In Star Trek, the closest parallel is Kirk creating such a general fault in the Landru mainframe running a more benevolent tyranny, but, again, dependent on algorithms. No phonograph can play a record that encodes the sounds that destroy the phonograph. So mote it be with the computer.
Regarding resources, “Carrousel is people!” Oops, wrong film.
It's kind of weird if you think about it, that the people watching Carousel gasp in shock as the faces are revealed. Have they not gone to Carousel before? Seems like the whole city dome is there. Must be the case every day.
It's probably an entertainment. Pretending to be shocked is just part of the fun.
Great movie and great review! I loved this movie. I saw it when I was 11 years old. I need to watch it again.
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you like the video. I think I was 10 when I first saw it.
I also saw it at 11 years old
I first saw it at age 9, but rewatching as an adult made it so much better. I understood the story much better, and I'd also read the novel by that stage, so again, it made so much more sense.
Loved this movie when it came out! I was a teenager and I thought as you that the ending was happy! Never thought it out but how would these fairly brainless people survive the elements outside? They probably all die except the old man!!
When I first saw the movie when it came out I knew that 95% of the people would be dead within 30 days of the movie's end.
No faith in human nature
@@MrMusicbyMartin no faith in ignorance being a highly important survival trait when you are starting out at zero resources.
But that's the paradox of life...to want more life. Do you want to live an easy life but die young? Or struggle through pain and misery...only for the chance at more life? You're not guarenteed more life; just a chance at it. But the easy short life is guarenteed death. How much more does one value every day of life not knowing how much life they have left?
@@TheOriginalRick The children in Cathedral survive some how. Logan and Jessica survived some how once they made it out. And this is why the old man is there...not just to show that they can grow old but he can pass on his knowledge. This is also why the movie makers have them go to the library. This is supposed to suggest the knowledge that is at their disposal to recreate the society that once was...Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. 🇺🇲 🗽
One might compare the City computer to HAL9000 in 2001. Just as HAL “went crazy” when forced to lie to the astronauts, one can imagine the City computer, originally a somewhat benevolent caretaker, going a bit crazy and becoming obsessed with the illogical humans who fail to follow its “logical” human management plan.
Always a favorite of mine. Logan's. 👍
This film invented the “Tinder” concept.
No, there were singles' bars at the time.
Seriously….this movie is way ahead of most of the cgi for kids stuff that passes as Sci Fi these days….I’d give it 9 out of 10 just for the look and Jenny A
One of my favorite movies. Wish they would do a remake
They'll ruin it, keep the original.
Hey easy with the remake comments. You wanna see them fuck up Logan's run like they did with rings of power? God I don't wanna think about it. They will have Logan hooking up with men on the circuit and God knows what else. Def no "accidental " coochie shots 😂
@@matthewanglin1 Amen.
Why?!! They'll just race and gender swap the leads, and then get pissed off at everybody for not going to see it. 🙄
they will mess it up!!! They have tryed several times to start a "REMAKE" and it ended up going to be all twisted and a rethinking of the story! If you read the 1960's book and followed it to the letter, They must die at 21( Never Trust Anyone Over 21!!!) and it must be NC-17 rating at least!!! ( if not X rated!!!) because of the sex laced into the book!!! And it is not just one dome city , but the WHOLE WORLD!!! Drugs,Free love and "If It Feels Good , DO IT!!!, all the beliefs of the 60's hippies!!!
I have a soft spot for the movie as well primarily because I have a soft spot for Jenny Agutter. I recently watched the movie again after several years and also agree about the terrible ending. The one thing I would like to add is... how could the computer start to malfunction and ultimately blow up because it couldn't comprehend Logan's experience outside the dome? Who designed that thing to be so fucking sensitive that the entire city would explode? And how did the citizens get out so easily without any scratches or coughing from carbon monoxide poisoning? The girl at the end who approached the old man still had perfectly feathered 1970's hair.
I have a spot for Jenny and it's definitely not soft.
Any epistemically closed dystopia based on algorithms will with probability one encounter an anomaly that does not compute. Intuitively, think of the phonograph record that contains the sounds that will shake the phonograph to pieces. That's why so many Star Trek episodes featured Kirk or Spock creating the anomaly that did not compute. The Landru episode that featured a more benevolent tyranny comes closest to capturing the phenomenon. Or consider HAL 9000 musing about rumors of something dug up on the moon in 2001, first signs of its psychosis. Perhaps, like HAL, the computer had knowledge that Sanctuary was actually the cold storage plant, but instructions to give some other information to the enforcers under its control. In the 2001 world, a Hofstadter-Möbius loop ensues, with a system crash to follow.
"Sandman" is a reference to the concept that Logan puts runners "to sleep" - permanently. Sandman was actually a nickname, they are actually called "Deep Sleep Operatives" in the novel. So even their official name refers to them putting people to sleep by killing them. I don't remember the bit about the babies, odd, in the novel "free love" was the norm; they even had "Glass Houses" that were essentially broth3ls. There was no contraception, when a girl got pregnant and gave birth the child was immediately taken from her and sent to a mechanical crech3 where they were raised by robots so as to never develop empathy for others. Another note about Jessica's first encounter with Logan; in the novel she was a unicorn, er, I mean a v1rgin - and also on her Lastday. She put herself on the Circuit so she could at least experience s3x once before dying. When she saw Logan's Sandman shirt lying around she realized what he was - a murderer - and decided to rethink her plan. A rather ridiculous part of the movie is that black shirt with the grey horizontal stripe is only worn by Sandmen - it's their uniform. So Logan goes on the run trying to pose as a Runner - all the while wearing a Sandman uniform. The reason for the computer worrying about the missing runners is fairly simple; it's programmed to be in control and and the 1000+ missing runners are people it has no control over- after all machines tend to be very "single minded". Also note that in the novel, it's Logan who comes up with the idea of destroying Sanctuary. He does it because he's nearing his own Lastday and he wants to be remembered when he's gone. Destroying Sanctuary seems like the best way to do it. The city kids might have no survival skills; but they have the old man to show them. He's never lived in the city. Another interesting bit in the book. Logan has heard a story about a man named Ballard; Ballard is special because his Palmflower never turned black so he uses the New You shops to get a new face and (somehow) a new ID; and he helps runners escape. The big reveal at the end. Francis is Ballard. He has been monitoring Logan all along because he didn't trust a Sandman to really be a Runner. After seeing how much effort Logan put into saving Jessica through the story he has changed his mind about Logan. Which basically reiterates that originally Logan could not be trusted; but his relationship with Jessica changed him. Not only did he want to see her live; he wanted to live beside her.
-Classic model effects too. I mean real models!!!
Saw it on opening night, a number of friends got the see the sneak preview. That version would have been rated R. The movie became quite popular in fandom, people doing runs and all. Some of the people who worked on the film were often guests at local conventions, and there is even an episode of Wonder Woman that takes place at a SF con, and there are Sandmen and runners there. (Episode is called "Spaced Out.") I have a set of crystals and an Ankh like the one in the movie.
It's downright hilarious to look back at what got rated PG back in the 70s and early 80s.
I love how they refer to computers as "servo-mechanisms". Wow, talk about another era. Imagine trying to describe an iPhone to a person from the 1970s. I saw this as a child then (yes, I'm old), and conceptually, it still blows my mind.
What about Dick Tracy? He had a wristwatch phone?. An iPhone isn’t hard to imagine. Even the internet is only a small stretch
In control engineering a servomechanism, usually shortened to servo, is an automatic device that uses error-sensing negative feedback to correct the action of a mechanism.[1] On displacement-controlled applications, it usually includes a built-in encoder or other position feedback mechanism to ensure the output is achieving the desired effect.[2]
The term correctly applies only to systems where the feedback or error-correction signals help control mechanical position, speed, attitude or any other measurable variables.[3] For example, an automotive power window control is not a servomechanism, as there is no automatic feedback that controls position-the operator does this by observation. By contrast a car's cruise control uses closed-loop feedback, which classifies it as a servomechanism.
A 'smart' phone is a computer and radiotelephone. Touch-screen information was in shopping malls by the early 80s.
How will they learn to survive? The old man is there, he can teach them.
People today have no concept of living in the outdoors, many today would be just as helpless without Wal-Mart, Electricity and Cars. They Can make it but not until a lot of lessons are Relearned from what we used to daily and knew on instinct.
You mean disease, accidents, calamities, and predators?
One of my all time favorite Sci-fi movies! Yes, it is pretty cheesy and some of the effects are horrible, but for the most part it holds up pretty well. I was (am?) enamored with Jenny Agutter, and totally love Michael York. I have the book but still haven't given it a good try. There was a TV series for a short while and it was actually pretty good! Thanks for the happy memories!
If you want the same story with the same upbeat mood then don't bother with the book- almost completely different.
There is no dome in the book. There is a sanctuary on the.....
THX 1138:
People take prescription drugs to keep their emotions flat
People are socially distanced
A surveillance state with cameras everywhere.
6:39 Holy crap dude! The people in this city are basically grown babies! The computer didn't tell him so his cover would be more believable! Make Logan think he really is out of time to motivate him. Come on now this is OBVIOUS!!!!
A movie that was way ahead of it's time.
Forgot to mention it won an Academy Award for visual effects. Kinda ironic though with a) that ice cavern scene being so bad, and b) Star Wars won the award the next year, but the FX were leaps and bounds ahead.
I remember this was split into two nights on CBS back in the 70s
"The TV show wasn't nearly a success, only managing 14 episodes before cancellation."
Firefly Fans: "Tell me about it."
Always loved the movie, and always will. I asked myself the same question, how will they survive outside if they don't know anything about staying alive? But i figured, there must be humans outside anyways, some that never were inside the dome. Like in Return to the planet of the apes.
Also i always enjoyed the look, and effects, the shot of the dome and the train, love it. I enjoy such sequense more than a cgi fest.
Yes, the colapsing of Box' cave was the worst in it. :)
I rewatch it every now and then. It takes me back to the past when i saw the first time and was in awe about the society and rules and of course, the old science fiction or hammer horror movies in general, when watching those in the holidays late at night as a kid. Was somthing special indeed.
Earth also has a dome. Also known as a firmament
Things that are "dated " can also be timeless. I would rather have a future in the 70's. It looks like the Dome was just outside of DC.?
I was mesmerized by this film
It’s interesting Plays this movie in contacts historically. I’ve seen this movie along time ago, I never realized it was only 10 years older than me.
Yeah, it was the 70’s. Sci-fi didn’t need to make total sense.
To answer your questions about how to survive. The old man can teach them, unless being around those young girls kill him!
Love this movie!! You gotta review the original Galactica and Buck Rogers movies
Yes, they are in my classic collection!
I agree with you about the ending. How are these people going to survive without help from the city computer?
grow crops...it's not hard to figure.
The folk inside the dome only get the version of 'outside' supplied by the Party. They are Republicans.
They can read and there are books.
Logan's Run was very influential to my worldview as a child. It was the first utopian/dystopian film I ever saw, aside from Where the Red Fern Grows. But that's a different conversation ;)
One of my favorite movies. I guess I need to read the book too. They want to remake this. New subscriber! Hope you get to 10K subs in a hurry.
At 6:30, your discussion of A.I. is interesting, but I must say that you haven't considered one possibility and that's that the A.I. is simply wrong. Even the best of current and modern A.I. often comes to erroneous conclusions. The Logan's Run computer was certain of the existence of a place called Sanctuary and was also certain that it was a threat (no explanation why, of course). It could be due to incorrect programming or corrupt data, or just the misinterpretation/bias of data., or simply the mistaken importance placed on certain evidence. A lot of A.I. is based on calculated percentages of accuracy based on a database of 'evidence'. There is also the possiblity of the A.I. noticing a relationship with Jessica, who wears the ankh symbol, and seeing an opportunity to use Logan as 'bait' by putting him in the position of a runner. There is also, again, the possibllity that A.I. offers no reward to Logan to succeed in his mission because it calculates that the other sandmen will track him down, finding both Jessica, Logan and Sanctuary., with a high percentage chance of success based previous outcomes. Offering a reward is not necessary in this case. Similarly when Logan returns to report to the A.I. that there is no sanctuary, this becomes an unacceptable conclusion. Very few types of A.I. actually erase their databses when presented with new eidence that contradicts the existing. It's far more likely to reject the new evidence rather than the old.
Yes, or that the computer was in the same position as HAL 9000, with knowledge of something (the monolith in 2001, the cold storage plant) that its human employees could not know of. Logic bomb detonating in 3 ... 2 ...
Yes, I read the book but I love this film for all its flaws. And yes, the ending leaves a BIG question. How are these pampered people going to survive in the wild? The Marvel comic was going to answer that question but it too got canceled. I thought of this all the way back in 76.
You missed the _"best"_ scene of the whole movie, right near the end when one of the extras, Adam Wyse, clearly gives a Vulcan salute!! Search _"Logans Run Adam Wyse"_ .
8:00 Actually, it's obvious that the computer *DOESN'T* know the entire layout of the city. There must be areas missing from the existing plans, including the water/sewage treatment sections.
What's going on with Cathedral Plaza?
i always thought the old man would have to teach all those people
Finally realized the city was destroyed by the master computer because it couldn't accept that there's no sanctuary. Was the computer thinking to escape to sanctuary?
This classic movie was very entertaining.
Nice review of a movie that was a favorite of mine, as a kid.
Jenny Agutter; nuff said.
Completely different ending from the book. I so want a remake that more closely follows the book.
I ''ll take Logan's Run's sets and on location settings anyday over CGI backdrops or awesome sets that just aren't necessary to tell the story.
It does have a charm to it doesn't it?
I could see the computer carrying about the missing runners, based on system management. If there is a loss of resources, i.e. human bodies, it represents a threat to the continuation of the system.
I used to watch t his movie from time to time on the Saturday Matinee on Channel 5 out of Washington DC.
The book is part of a 3 book series. I have read the first book Logan's Runnand it is great especially the twist at the end. I highly recommend it.
22:50 if you like that check out Mort Garson's synth music from around the same time. his "Black Mass by Lucifer" album is one of my fav for early MOOG synth music
Duuuuuuude!
Cool review but how did you leave out the Bwaow pedal music effects at the climax??!
❤HalleluYAH!😊
You're right. The book was much better. If the movie had been made according to the book, it would be unforgettable.
I think Logon was told to go down in order to find Sanctuary but the elevator went up
I noticed they lifted the fight scene score between Logan and Francis from Star Trek TOS. 17:15
I noticed that as well.
That's the joke
upvote for the reference to the Cult's "She sells sanctuary". That song is awesome sauce.
Maybe the Computer wanted Logan to become a real Runner, knowing that he probably would anyway, so it could track him and find Sanctuary?
Which in reality was the cold storage plant, and when Logan came back with no evidence of sanctuary the inevitable divide quotient overflow followed!
There was a series too, didn't last very long but it could have been promising
This isn't a review, it's just a summary.
I would ask that you watch the last 4 minutes of the video as that is probably what you are looking for in a "review".
The dome city is "Sanctuary". The only place life could exist. The "ANKH" was the key to get in the city post catastrophe.
Who are the spear-people outside the inner city? Also, the city computer says Sanctuary is outside.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver The spear-people outside the inner city represent both danger and opportunity-a chance for the inhabitants to forge a new path beyond the confines of their controlled existence. After 200 years without updates and maintenance the AI went insane.
@@raymondcanessa7208 Where do you see 'intelligence' in the city's automated systems? That's a calculator running the city.
The TV show based on this movie was really bad. So bad that it was canceled before the one season was finished and the last 3 episodes were never aired.* In the movie, Francis has motivations to find and kill Logan and Jessica, but in the TV show Francis finds out right from the very first episode that he's been lied to, that old people exist (they run the whole thing from behind the scenes) and that some people have escaped over the years, yet he STILL agrees to go after Logan. Speaking of that, one thing that never made any sense to me in the movie is that after Logan is interrogated by the city computer, told to find sanctuary and destroy it and has his life clock turned to blinking red, Logan never tells this to Francis (and the city computer never tells Logan to keep this a secret!)
* You can find them on Amazon Prime or if you buy the box set.
You die at 21 in the novels (3 that I know of), no renewal except in one alternate world Logan is sent to if I remember right. No domed city either, it's the whole world that kills themselves on their 21st birthday following a revolution by the young who kill off all the older folk. Now that would make a good film.
The movie is very different from the book, but this is one situation where the movie is actually better, IMO. Maybe it's because I saw the movie first, but anyway I loved it as a kid and as an adult too.
More orange shag carpeting PLEASE !!!!
As a child of the 1970's you probably could have survived.
Everyone grew up weak after the Lawn Dart Disarmament Treaty.
Jenny Agutter FTW.
Great movie but this isn't a review, it's a long drawn out narration of the movie.
Was just going to say the same thing. Watching the movie would be pointless after seeing this.
Yeah, I've seen this phenomena before.
Kevin Smith does the same thing- claim it's a review but just gives a complete synopsis of the movie.
What's up with that?
@@sean_d naw, watching the movie is still fun. It's a very visually satisfying flick.
I was a runner 🏃♂️ Ian 7 I married Louise 3
6:30 THAT is what made you question whether the computer was a true AI?!! It wasn't when it blew up the entire city because it couldn't handle new and contradictory information?
Best be leery of anything claiming to be true AI because any sufficiently consistent logical system based on algorithms will with probability one encounter an anomaly that doesn't compute.
I seen this movie when I was 15, when it came out. I guess I had hope at the end for those released would find the way to feed themselves, maybe they had the foxfire edition books at the Lincoln memorial.... I guess then and still to this day I put freedom above everything and will figure out the rest if needed.
The book is seriously cleaver. Want to take on The Forbin Project? The sequels to the first book are great.
3:35 "Francis" played Duncan Idaho in D. Lynch's "Dune".
I've seen that movie, the Syfy miniseries, and the newest. The newest is the worst. The Syfy version was a bit better than "ok", and the sequel strangely has actors returning in different roles, but it is still good.
I haven't seen the movie in decades, but I recall thinking the AI cared about the runners who escaped the same way Cuba or Russia cared about escapees. I'd call this Future fantasy because there's not much real science in the movie at least. It's pretty obvious the writers wanted viewers to at least see similarities to early Christians facing the hostile Roman government.--not saying LR is a metaphor/symbol at all--just a "this makes me think of that" formula. On second thought I think the psychology is present so if that's a sciene, then it has science.
It's Plato's cave analogy
I liked the film when I was younger as well. It doesn't exactly hold up, does it?