LOGAN'S RUN: Was It Great or Were You 8? | '70s Dystopian Sci-Fi
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- We're playing our favorite game once again: Was It Great or Were You 8? This time, it's Alonso's turn to pick a movie he loved from childhood: the 1976 dystopian sci-fi thriller "Logan's Run." We revisit the film to determine whether it truly was great, or he just loves it nostalgically. Directed by Michael Anderson, written by David Zelag Goodman, based on the novel. Starring Michael York, Jenny Agutter, Richard Jordan, Roscoe Lee Browne, Peter Ustinov and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. Be sure to vote in the poll on our community page and let us know whether you think "Logan's Run" truly is great!
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Love the whole Was It Great or Were You Eight series! Both saw and read Logan's Run back in the day. IIRC, in the book, not only did people die at 21 instead of 30, the 14-year-olds were grumbling about those pesky 15- to 21-year-olds. And I guess they all had universal basic income without explicitly mentioning it? Another progressive point for the movie.
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@@BreakfastAllDay Alonzo, the robot under the sea explains that they "ran out" of proteins from the sea but "these other (runners) protein started to show up, so he just started harvesting them". ... Love this series guys, im in the "still great" category with most of these still!
Alonso: "Ok kids before cable, TV had three channels"
Kids: "What's cable?"
Alonso: (sighs) "...ok kids before TikTok there was cable television..."
If somebody watched this when they were 8, they got an eyeful of Jenny Agutter.
I was in love with Jenny Agutter as a 14 year old. Farah Fawcett was in it too.
Yep, we talk about Farrah here!
All I know is Jenny Agutter was pretty great in it
I absolutely love this game/series. Have you ever thought about having on younger or older guest critics to talk about movies that might be more personal to different generations?
That’s a great idea, thanks for watching and suggesting it!
Saw this in its original theatrical release with 70MM projection and 6-track Dolby Stereo Sound on a huge screen at the Cinerama Theater in Seattle. The presentation was so impressive it took a couple of days to realize it really wasn't a very good movie. The Jerry Goldsmith score is also impressive with the use of lots of electronic music long before it became popular to do so. Those three notes at the movie's climax almost shook the theater and still resonate today.
BTW- the visual effects were given a special Oscar (along with King Kong).
Coincidencly, Farrah Fawcett's red swimsuit poster and Charlie's angels debut and Logan's Run happened within months of each other in 1976. Her name back then was Fawcett-Majors because she was still married to the Six Million Dolllar Man, Lee Majors.
What a time!
@BreakfastAllDay Thanks for the great work. I just couldn't fill the void, not even barely between "What the Flick' and 'Breakfast All Day'.
I remember the TV series. Heather Menzies played Jessica, one of the fugitives from the city. Fun fact: three children from "The Sound of Music" ended up starring sci-fi TV shows; Nicholas Hammond was Peter Parker in "Spider-Man". Angela Cartwright was in "Lost in Space" and Menzies in "Logan´s Run".
That is a fun fact, thanks!
It's an allegory about the draft and Vietnam. Youths live a life of ease until they get shipped off to war.
Ah, good point!
The song "Orange Crush" by REM has entered the chat
"Carousel. It's delicate, but potent." - Mad Men
That makes sense!
A local theater ran this at the kiddie matinee on a frequent basis not long after the release, and I loved it- all the cool sci-fi, hunky Michael York, sleek Jenny Agutter, Peter Ustinov and Farrah Fawcett, too!
The tv show actually had a movie as a pilot with Greg Harrison and Heather Menzies in the roles of Logan 5/Jessica 6.
The original movie had Michael York and Jenny Agutter in those roles.
Thanks for doing this sadly underappreciated movie.
1. In the book the death clock goes at 21, but they couldn't find enough actors.
2. GOOF: No way would Logan close that hatch with that much water going through it.
3. Peter Ustinov improvised much of his dialogue.
4. Jenny Agutter played in "American Werewolf in London."
5. The last woman touching the old man's face. 😍🥰😋
6. "Genesis II" has awesome miniature effects.
I seem to remember Ryan Gosling being attached to a remake of this movie at one time. I would have liked to have seen him as Logan.
This film holds a special place in my heart for two reasons. First, it was partially filmed here in Houston. Second is I love Michael York. I got to meet him a few years ago and both he and his wife Patricia. Two of the nicest people you will ever meet.
That's really great! Yes, lots of Texas locations, which we always enjoy around here.
I've been a fan since my teens and grew even more so after I learned about the filming locations in Dallas and Fort Worth.
I was nine but I found it just fine.😂 It was one of the shows that got me hooked on science fiction. Now I write my own short stories.
Love that story! Thank you for sharing it with us (and glad to see you made it past 30).
My brothers and I lived like a 3 minute walk away from our local village cinema. It was basically across the street. We practically lived there. We saw Logan's Run probably 15 times. Watched it a lot over the years. Watched it recently and it doesn't hold up as well but I still like it. My favorite character was Richard Jordan's Francis. His emotional confrontation with Logan near the end is one of my favorite. "You wouldn't terminate a runner AND I COVERED FOR YOU!!!!
What great memories! And how fun to like so close to the movie theater growing up.
I was in early high school and at 13 we all thought both the book and movie were just absolutely brilliant and profoundly deep … clearly deeper fair like 2001 Space Odyssey went straight over our heads and this was more on a level to really speak to us back then!!
Ha! Have you seen it since then?
@@BreakfastAllDay Oh yeah, found it really dated and dragged from about half way
I had vivid nightmares from the White Cloaks, scary , Well done Michael Anderson.
Tom, Brussels.
Thanks for watching and hello to you in Brussels!
I always took it as a critique on consumerist culture and the distancing of humans from work and nature.
The hotel and especially mall aspects seemed to point to futuristic but also dead ends, consumerism, consumerist lifestyle, consumerist idealism and imagery of youth, leading to the ultimate forms of pure consumption of sex and life and religion with no personal skepticism, ending with the consumption of your peers and yourself to maintain the machinery of it all.
Yes, instant gratification, the superficiality of it all. Good thinking!
Jennifer Agutter OBE went on to be quite an accomplished and successful actress. I admire her body of work. I was 28 when Logan’s premiered at theaters.
Oh wow! What did you think of it back then?
@@BreakfastAllDay oh, we thought it was quite campy. Better appreciated in an “elevated” state of motion . 😉
I was 11...and yeah it was still great.
I recall seeing Roger Ebert's review of "Four Brothers", a 2005 modern reworking of the 1965 John Wayne western "The Sons of Katie Elder". I don't remember Ebert's take on the film, but I recall him saying that he hadn't seen "The Sons of Katie Elder." I was shocked. Other than being a fairly well-known western, it had played on cable TV about a gazillion times. I couldn't imagine how a prominent film lover and professional critic could have missed it. I just had a similar reaction when Christie acknowledged that she had never seen 1960s "The Time Machine". It is a well-remembered George Pal early sci-fi adaptation of HG Wells (and like Elder was remade years later) that provided period state-of-the-art Academy Award winning special effects. Like Elder, it has been shown on TV countless times.
BTW, I recall "Logan's Run" quite well, and like Alonzo, I thought--even at the time--that it was worth seeing, but not great.
Might have seen it somewhere along the way, but we see so many movies that sometimes we forget having seen them (and even reviewed them!). Thanks for watching.
I watch this every few years. Partly for the nostalgia nut i honestly love this movie. Its s classic and i like revisiting the classics , I accept their flaws and always bear in mind when they were made
This is definitely a product of its time!
When I think of Logan's Run, I think of the mysterious, calm grace of a beautiful place that holds a lurking secret.
Personally, as a 12 year old seeing this film, it might have been an allegory for a childhood nightmare or trauma that a child would have no way of understanding; so in comes a fantasy in the mind to make sense of it all. The fantasy then takes place of the child's parents, who nurtures and guides them, just like the great computer that takes care of the dome city people. All the sparkling accoutrements become the ideal setting for a wayward imagination of a child.
This could be why it captured my imagination so much, and inspired me to seek unusual art and design.
This might be one way to understand why I took a liking to this film.
We all have our own opinions about movies, but I encourage others to dig deeper into why you feel what you feel about a movie.
I thought it was an allegory to cults. Maybe I was wrong. But I loved this film.
Also, I hope you review Blade Runner.
That is a good interpretation!
Adore this segment -- and you guys -- so much.
You are the wind beneath our wings!
I saw this in the Theater, I was 16. I was a Sci-Fi fan in a serious way and really liked Michael York from the Musketeer Movies but my best friend and I were disappointed in the film the same way Alonso mentions, for the world of the film wasn't developed enough. We were big fans of novels like Dune with very detailed complex world building , and I kept expecting we would see the hidden architects behind this Society and why they had developed it in this way. I remember being very impressed at first but as Alonso says, it never really lands anywhere. My favorite scene was in the Ice cave with Jenny Agutter in furs and that enigmatic robot.
All great memories! Thanks for watching our video and sharing all that.
I saw this in the theater young enough that my feet didn't touch the floor and have watched it about every other year or so since VHS then DVD then BD (read the book a few times too). I'd love a good 4K transfer. I'd love a decent remake!
This story has _always_ fascinated me. I even have a framed print of the movie poster.
What a great memory! Thanks for sharing.
I wore this laserdisc out. I couldn't get enough of this movie when I was a kid. And I was reminded of The Time Machine (which I love) just like Alonzo. I also loved anything with Michael York in it and I had a massive crush on Jenny Agutter. Great choice for 8 or great.
This movie was shot over years - I think it started production in 72 or 73, then stopped and started again.
Had only heard of this movie , thanks for circling back on it this was fun
Did we inspire you to check it out?
'In Time' was a pretty good modern dystopian Sci-Fi film I thought at the time, although I'm not sure it's kitschy. Still to watch 'Silent Running' again after many years. Gattaca I love, although wonder if it would get made with that ending today.
I used to watch the TV show. Heather Menzies played Jessica and pre Trapper John, Gregory Harrison as Logan!
What a time!
hmmmmm, It's hard for me to comment, it's not because I loved or hated it. But when I think of Michael York, I think of him playing Vertigo in Batman the Animated series. So it's a reminder, when TALENTED story tellers handle genre, it does stay in your mind.
I just watched this again a few months ago. The effects aren't so great and some of the performances are cringey but overall it's still a worthwhile watch IMHO.
It is an interesting time capsule, isn't it.
I didn't see this movie until the 1990s on a late night showing on SyFy. I had a weird experience where Francis died. There was a commercial, and I flipped to E! To find out Richard Jordan had just died.
Do "Flash Gordon" at some point. I think that holds up better because it's so deliberately hooky. And the soundtrack is awesome.
Oo I remember seeing this on TV as a kid
Awesome, what did you think of it?
Christy next time please review "The Big Chill," I would love to hear what you to think about it. When I first saw it back in the 80's I thought it was the best movie ever made.
Please do "Krull" - Peter Yates Director, James Horner score - young Liam Neeson, young Robbie Coltrane😊😊😊😊
Logan's Run was great. The only science fiction movie where you see some version of internet/Tinder.
I grew up on this movie
Awesome, what are your thoughts on it?
LR was awesome as a Kid!
I was actually looking forward to that remake with Ryan Gosling they were working on years ago
Oh right! There have been various versions of a remake in the works for years.
If you guys ever branch out to doing this, but with TV shows, I would *love* to see a retrospective opinion on "Space: 1999". /Martin Landau FTW :D
"If you could do it all again, would you make a different choice?"
"What choice?" - Rounders
RIP Martin Landau
@@alisterfolsonOMGZ, I *loved* him in that. Also, in "The Majestic". 🥲
@@FesterSilently Ikr; epic! ❤️
You need to do 2, season 2 is near enough a reboot.
@@Whalewraith It's been a LONG time since I've watched (the show), is 2nd season really a soft reboot?
(The last time I tried to watch, it was via Amazon Prime Video, and the episodes seemed to be in a scrambled order + incomplete seasons...a mess.)
Although I still didn't like it very much, I was surprised to find "Logan's Run" conceptually interesting when I rewatched it during the lockdowns. As a Star Wars fanatic kid I just thought it was cheap and clunky passé sci-fi when I watched it on tv back in the 80's. Visually it was pretty clunky even back then, "2001: A Space Odyssey" came out in 1968 - that sh!t still holds up today!
For sure, but Kubrick was an artist.
The idea of killing everybody once they turn 30 y.0. was to avoid overpopulation. Which in the 1970's was more on society's consciousness as a matter of concern than it is today. So to a large degree the movie is a nightmarish vision of society dealing with the problem of overpopulation.
Alonzo is correct about there only being 3 major TV networks (ABC/ CBS/ NBC) back than, 4 if you count PBS (Public broadcasting system), and it usually did take at least a couple of years for movies released in theaters to be shown on one of these networks. But "Logan's Run" came out in the early days of Cable TV, and if I remember correctly, I saw it on Cable just a few months after it came out. It would usually only take a few months for such movies to make it to Cable, (that was the big selling point for getting cable back then).but far fewer people had cable back then.
I saw it again about a year ago and still thought it's pretty good.
But in terms of what the movie is dealing with, tt's very much of it's time. I don't know if overpopulation is any less of a
threat now than it was in the 1970's, but in terms of what society deems to be BURNING ISSUES, the issue
of overpopulation has been surpassed by other things.
That's a good observation, thanks Ken!
And what’s interesting, is there are EIGHT billion people in the world now and in 1976, there were four billion. We’ve doubled the world population in just 47 years!
I did love this movie when I was 8, and I happened to rewatch it sometime last year. It really is schlocky fun and would benefit from a contemporary update... does Denis Villeneuve have some free time between Dune movies?
Ooohh, that is a good call.
Brilliant comments.
"Carousel. It's delicate, but potent." - Mad Men
I saw the film a few times on TV many years ago, and the only thing that really made a deep impression on me was the beauty and sex appeal of Jenny Agutter.
She was definitely a '70s sci-fi babe!
Yes, it was great and I was 8. At 55 I appreciate different elements.
Great, what do you like about it now?
@@BreakfastAllDay That you take an Government, Church or Organization totally at its word. We must be skeptical.
My 10th grade creative writing teacher showed us this movie and I remember liking it, but my attention span must have been terrible back then because it felt like it was 4 hours 😅
That's funny! What do you remember about it?
I remembered how dreadful the miniature of the city was that was made doubly bad because it was shot in 65mm. I own it now on DVD and the miniature effects are still awful as I remember.
That part does indeed look cheesy.
This movie fits right where it is, in the 70's. It is cheesy and has a certain quality to it, but not enough to rewatch yet alone remake. PS, Alonso dropped 2 F bombs, what a potty mouth.....lol
We get excited around here sometimes!
My book: "FUTURE ZERO" by Louis Anton
At least it wasn't Zardoz!
Ooohhh but Zardoz is great, too.
That score alone... Makes up for a multitude of sins!
I remember seeing this at the drive in when it was released, I liked it at the time, but remember feeling like it kind of meandered after the half-way point. I think the 1970s Westworld was a better science fiction movie from that era. This is where my lifelong gay crush on Jenny Agutter started though.
Ha, she is indeed a babe here. But she hates outside! She hates it!
Ohhh YES agree it meandered after a while, AND Westworld at the midnight drive in absolutely scared the bejesus out of me!!! I remember it was a double feature with Play Misty For Me, also scary at the time!!
Did somebody say great hair day? Christ and Alnzo looking good. You guys have convinced me that the red button should be reset to 60.
Though I heard about this movie a lot, I've never seen it, and I really don't think I want to sit to this thing. I'm gonna re-watch Rocky.
Gee thanks.
Jesus did always have great hair lol! They've made me want to watch this.
@@tlovehater I never promised you accurate spelling.
At least it got prime Goldsmith going for it. But thankfully Lucas and Ridley Scott killed these "new car smell" sci-fi universes. And not a moment too soon.
That is a very apt description 😆
I watched it for the first time a couple of years ago. I must have missed some of the beginning. I didn't recall some of the scenes mentioned. I enjoyed the movie well enough.
RE the crystals in their palms, the crystals turn red when the person turns 22 or so. 10 days before people turn 30 the crystals start to blink. When people turn 30, if the person doesn't go on Carrousel and get incinerated they will see their crystal turn black, and it will send out a signal to the Sandmen whose job it is to "terminate" people who refuse Carrousel and become "Runners."
Regarding the "message" of the film, I feel they kind of lose it after they leave the city. In the book, children violently revolted against adults and took over, when their population overtook all other age groups. They remade the entire world in the image of youth. The book explored what a society might be like if it was made by and for youth. Without maturity, without family bonds, and without people living long enough to learn how to keep their society running. For the film, the film makers tried to keep that concept intact, only they increased the age to 30 so they could hire adult actors to fill the majority of the roles. The teenaged, nearly fully adult "cubs" in the film were, in the book, all children under 7. They were able to go on their killing sprees only because they were using a drug called "muscle" that amped up their reflexes and speed. This drug was fatal to people older than 7. The point being that a lot of elements in the film make sense when the population is under 21, but don't make sense when the population cutoff is 30.
That's all really helpful perspective. We hadn't read the book. Thanks for watching and sharing your insights!
Not great but as was said worth a watch, if for no other reason than to see the great great grandparent of all the dystopian films thrown our way a decade or so ago.
For sure! So influential.
We were 8. This is like a YA film from ten years ago. They are similar as they have a pretty good premise, then kind of all collapses. This movie really only had like an hour of good material and did not know what to do after that. The robot they fight is just random and not connected to the plot at all. The special effects were decent for the time, but now look really bad. The acting was also really bad from pretty much everyone.
I took it as a story about the saying from the late 1960's "do not trust anyone over 30". It was basically showing what you get when you only have people under 30. They have no wisdom or experience and were raised like babies. But this is also one of the first pictures to think about what would happen if a computer ran everything too.
Sorry to jump in again but I just read a number of posts about a possible remake(just had a sudden flash of the Godawful Rollerball remake)starri g Ryan Gosling(the walking smirk).All I can say to that is (dramatically falling to my knees)"Nooooooooooo!!!"
Cable? What's cable? 🤣 I was 10, and it was great but for entirely different reason than I think it's great now, LOL...
I saw the movie about twenty years ago, and I did not think it was great. Alonzo's point is dead-on: the movie had no point. It struck me as a half-baked fantasy: "Hey, what if everybody is young and good-looking and didn't have to work and got to have lots of sex with other young good-looking people all the time? Plot? I dunno, they get killed off at 30 and some of them don't like that?" It would have made great soft-core porn, and that's probably it's first best destiny.
Of course is a great film.
That's great, what do you like about it?
I wonder what Alonzo’s beef with Bryan 🤔 He’s no Chris Nolan or Paul Thomas Anderson but a few of his movies have been pretty good.
He is ... reportedly not a great guy.
He is a big fan of little boys... allegedly.
i was 9 and enjoyed it greatly especially the jerry goldsmith score. a + all the 70s women in this were so hot!
After I saw the movie,I read the book,and that explained the evolution of this society quite well.I can watch this movie now and not have "my God this is so 70s"constantly running through my head.It all comes down to one simple fact..a film review is just someone else' opinion.And a recomendation cos this guy seems really confused as to what the actual story is about...read the novel.The movie leaves a lot of backstory,history and character development out in favour of spectacle.
Wasn't The Island a remake of this?
The Carousel of today is basically Covid-19... 😷
I wonder if watching these movies on modern devices is making the models look less impressive.
It was great and i was 12.
Ha, have you rewatched it recently?
@@BreakfastAllDay yes. I always preferred it to Star Wars. But then I was a fan of the books. Have you ever watched the Island? Ewen McGregor. Pretty sure that must have started as a Logans run reboot.
I remember it as being very poor but it does have Jenny Agutter in it, so that’s a plus. It was remade (in all but name) by Michael Bay as “The Island” and it still wasn’t any good.
By the way, what’s with all the cussing? It’s a review of a kids film
Not sure Logan's Run is a kids movie, it's a dystopian future filled with death and orgies.
I kind of disagree. Children/parents were not so sensitive back in the day and a lot of things had Parental Guidance certificates that allowed kids in on their own. Jaws left me a bit traumatised for instance. And Bambi and Dumbo, and probably lots of other films. I remember Logan’s Run as that type of film but poorly written with tragic effects and wonky set design. Not to mention a robot that obviously had trouble trundling across a completely flat studio floor but scripted as “can go anywhere”. My parents didn’t want to be included in that trip to the cinema. How did they know? The poster and the trailer and the weekly film review program @@BreakfastAllDay
Jenny Agutter looked great...the rest wasn't good even when you were eight.
Ha, she is indeed lovely.
I only saw this movie once about 15 years ago, when I was in my 20s. Maybe the dated and cheesy look is hard to overcome for someone who grew up with Star Wars and not these movies, but I felt the overall story and execution were really lacking. So, overall, other than Jenny Agutter looking great, I did not enjoy it.
Lotta Jenny Agutter love in the comments! Glad we could remind so many folks of their early crushes 😄
I was 16 when i first saw it in 76. Loved it then but when i watch it now I realize what a dick Logan was and he never really changes either!!
There is an outtake that makes him seem like he has changed but as it’s not in the film he’s a dick till the end.
That is a really funny observation 😆
Ah, 8 as in age, not rating! Sorry, slow on the uptake here - LOL! Then, there's that other seminal cringeworthy period for SciFi: the early 80's: Saturn 3, Flash Gordon, Xanadu... 😁
Yes, thanks, check out our Xanadu review too! th-cam.com/video/i0L7lMSFg8o/w-d-xo.html
What is the point of the movie?
Play along for a moment.
Society has broken down from war and famine.
What is NECESSARY to keep mankind living?
For billions, it means death.
However, a particular government decides to create a computer controlled society where only a certain amount of people may live a prosperous life inside domes.
That's it.
Nothing more.
No philosophical point.
Neccessity tops philosophy.
Not great