Power Queen 12V 100Ah Heated LiFePO4 Battery, Near-Identical Inside?
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Today, we'll be reviewing the 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 auto-heated battery from Power Queen. This battery looks near-identical to the Ampere Time that we just reviewed a few day ago - but the BMS in this one seems to work quite a bit better. The non-heated version is $144 cheaper though so unless you need that built-in heater, your best best is probably still the non-heated (non-low temp protected) version.
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00:30 Specifications
01:56 Capacity Testing
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Nice sounding product, nasty drop downs and pop ups while viewing their site though. I could not remove the drop down, which eliminates me from being a customer.
Thanks for the quality content. Cheers to you!!!
One company must’ve done several with deferent vender’s. Thanks again for your posting.
They may have used the thermal switch as a control to turn off the heaters if they get to hot and the BMS did not turn them off.
Super review. Thanks so much
Also the braket system looks the same as the copow battery I reviewed. Different cells and BMS though.
Great video!
Noticed one cell had a white circle vent where the others had blue. Good tests/observations. Thanks for sharing
The blue cover was pulled off when I removed the piece of adhesive foam. It didn't come like that.
My 300 ah LiFeP04 battery came in handy after a recent storm and power outage. I was able to use my microwave. I live in a very rural area in a camper and don`t have transportation but with my power stations, solar panels, and my big battery I`ll always have electricity. It has limitations but it`s a lot better than having nothing and worrying about the future. I wish the prices would have been lower two years ago so I could have bought four of them to save money on my electric bill. Thankfully prices dropped enough recently for me to at least get one, a charge controller, AC charger, and 2000w inverter with the last of my savings.
HOWdy L-S,
Thanks for the REVIEW
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Well done, again. Do you know if the 12v 200AH has a similar 200amp BMS?
Hopefully we can see you review the 300AH bioenno
I wonder if the second set of screws is for in case you strip the screws on the next battery in the row when removing the busbars
Hi Will, which 12v 100ah battery under $350 do you recommend (I live in Texas, not concerned with freezing temps). I need 6 of them...
Ampere times and power Queen have the same 90Ah sever rack battery too
Wonder if the power queen 48v server rack battery is the same as the amper time server rack?
I want to run a supplemental lifepo4 4s battery in my car trunk to run my dashcams and wifi Hotspot while my car is parked and also double as a car led acid battery jump starter. Looking for advise on which battery to buy and advise on wiring it to be charged off car alternator safely or is any of this a bad idea.
Have you ever reviewed the enduro power 12v 200ah
I see Power Queen's 200ah battery with a 200a BMS, no heater, is $619 -- wow. Thanks for the review.
Prices on these batteries have really come down a lot in recent months!
@@LithiumSolar Dear Sir.Very sorry to contact you in this way, are you interested in sharing 48V battery? Can I ask you a question about home energy storage installation by email?Amy
wonder why you would not put one low and high on the top and bottom of the battery
That's a great idea for an improvement. I agree.
Nice to know
hello ont peut rajouter un bluetooth sur le bms ??
What brand of 2000 watt inverter is that in the video? Any recommendations on brands ?
It's Bestek-brand and no, I do not recommend it.
sound like power queen is a good choice.
Yes akb🔋 ⚡💡👍
Wonder if the non heated version works the same way with the thermal sensors? That could be a good choice and cost saving for those of us who live in climates where it doesn't get too cold, but may get a tad warm (welcome to Australia LOL)
So having 2 wires that don't do anything doesn't bother you?
No - doesn't bother me. It's a super cheap BMS, but it's doing it's still job.
@@LithiumSolar Well, why don't you ask them why those wires are for? lol.
Wouldn't be surprised if another customer has it functional in their application and the BMS manufacturer has thousands premade with all those wires installed and Power Queen just slapped the BMS in the battery box with instructions to their employees to attach LTP and OTP, ignore all extras
@@ericklein5097 Sure, I get it... there's no doubt a reason. But if you're going to give something a glowing review with spare parts dangling about that you can't identify, well.... lol.
@@vancey6072 are you bothered by unpopulated spots on a PCB board that works exactly as described in the datasheet and for your application?
Put some salt in the water and the temperature will drop by around 20 degrees.
For that much more money, they should have BT too.
Why? I don't find bluetooth to be of much use on my batteries. In fact, I'd prefer to not have it.
@@LithiumSolar I plan on having just 2 batteries and would find it very handy. One could just ignore it if they didn't wan't/need it couldn't they?
Since lifepo4 is such a relatively safe chemistry, storing them in a dry conditioned space doesn't seem that risky.
If temperatures were a issue, I would opt for a heated pad/ battery blanket placed underneath the battery bank.
Relying on a batteries built in heater to power up long term, seems iffy.
Having the ability to swap out a heated pad under the battery bank seems like a better option.
The less options typically means less overall issues, and more reliable long-term. Plus the more simple the battery build is the less chances that the manufacturing process will have in making mistakes, either with the software or hardware.
Besides having a external heater allows more control for the operator to control the battery bank's performance.
I think their solution is so simple that the number of units with QC problems or component failure later down the line is going to be slim. Probably just some NTC thermistor going into the connecter on the BMS and this kind of circuitry on BMS's has been around a long time. Just opens up current flow to the heaters. I would imagine heating element quality is probably the biggest long term issue. I can't imagine these suck down too much power either at 50 watts for the pair...running maybe several minutes an hour in cold conditions or 15 minutes an hour in conditions you shouldn't be leaving an uninsulated battery in.
6:18... have you tested if those "non functioning sensors" are used for detecting Max Temperatures. Just a thought..
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The premium they charge for these heated batteries is just plain gouging and I really hope 99% of customers have the common sense to realize this and do some research for themselves
Here's more or less the exact same heater: a 4 pack for $20. Imagine how cheaply they are getting them..perhaps it costs them $5 to put two in a battery if they are buying thousands of heaters. Labor time is pretty minimal, one person on the production line could do several hundred batteries a day. The BMS in the non heated version might even have the port for accepting the connector and it might be programmed to work when installed.
I don't think anyone hear needs to hear this but STOP BUYING PREMADE BATTERIES THAT ARE OVERPRICED. We all know the deal. 16 280Ah cells from China are somewhere in the $2,000 region depending on who you go with. You have the DIY Solar Forum to pretty much guarantee the vendor you choose has been pretty honest with dozens of other DIY'ers. You spend $100 on a better BMS or $150 on a high current option and blam you have 14.336kwh for no more than $2500 while your out the door cost on 10 of these batteries (12.80kwh) is $330'ish at best. If you only need one battery, fine. Buy a premade one on sale. Anything more than that and you are screwing yourself out of at least $80 per 100Ah. Could be as high as $100 per 100Ah if you get a good price on the cells and have all the misc parts from other projects which most of you do. As far as a battery box goes, just use a sub $50 tool box or something.
www.amazon.com/12V-Flexible-Silicone-Rubber-Heater/dp/B075WVPP5Y/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1Y0WZYE0YMQ06&keywords=12v%2Bheating%2Bpad&qid=1668273566&s=hi&sprefix=12v%2Bheating%2Bpad%2Ctools%2C472&sr=1-4&th=1
The self heating batteries are nice for equipment that will be used by non-technical people. I use them as drop-in replacements for lead-acid, and the price of the heater is less than an external heater and a reliable controller for it.
@@paulmccoy2908 $20 for the heaters that hook up to positive and negative. Googled "low temperature protection NTC thermistor (or email your BMS manufacturer and just ask them if they can sell you a thermistor for low temp protection if such a feature is present) and see this guy uses a 47K NTC thermistor. Plug and play most likely as they all mostly use JST connectors. Thats all there is to it.
Ampere Time Upcharge 12V 100AH vs 12V 100AH heated: $110
Power Queen Upcharge 12V 100AH vs 12V 100AH heated: $150
That's cheaper than an external heating pad and controller? The external setup would be even cheaper/easier since there's no fiddling with the BMS hoping an NTC Thermistor getting plugged in will give you what you need. But those temp controllers you could use externally mounted are less than $20 all day on Amazon.
I agree, not sure why it needs to be $140 extra!
Will you come and install the cells and the bms for free?
@@nainabla say what? Install the cells and the BMS? My ninja, I'm talking about installing a heating pad.
I'm from Honduras, I bought a 25.6V, 100 Ah battery online for $685 on Oct 31, 2022 from Power Queen company. The battery did not reach its destination, a locker in Doral, Miami Dade County. Three months later, Power Queen says she'll pay me back $100. I lost $585.
Despite the fact that I paid 7% sales tax in the State of Alabama (USA), it seems that I am not entitled to receive a full refund of my money.