Peter's Bidding Tactic Gets Under Deborah's Skin | Dragons' Den
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- Essex brothers Oliver and Toby Richmond step into the Den with a spanner mascot who they hope will not put a spanner in their works, Oliver and Toby Richmond are seeking an investment of £100,000 in return for a 12.5% stake in Servicing Stop. Every year a number of entrepreneurs get an investment from the Dragons but here's what happens when a deal falls through.
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Definitely one of the more interesting videos. You always see the pitch and negotiation but rarely the aftermath, which is often the most interesting part. They should do more like these.
Deborah probably wanted to make it clear she's not associated with them.
@@MsMaryPatricia Absolutely disgusting how they treated her. You make a deal you stick with it. You don't turn your back just because someone comes up with a better offer AFTER that. Eww..
@@manoman0 It's fookin business mate
Only when u have the original context
They BBC continued going after them, featuring them in their WatchDog consumer affairs show in 2017
Deb: I sent scores of emails, personally phoned you several times, had a company ready to mail 1.5 million customers for you...
Them: Yeah, wi shoulda sed sammink
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Maybe like a precontract she could ask for a compensation, perhaps that´s why she always ask for papers and support of the company.
Loving this 'after the deal' bit, very cool
Especially because a lot of shown deals fall apart after the show
@@tombpunk to be fair that's usually down to dishonest or unclear pitches, not because of the Dragons. I genuinely believe the Dragons, especially Peter Jones, really want to help burgeoning entrepreneurs. But at the end of the day they're still parting with their own cash so it still has to work for them too.
@@futhamucka @Dan Reader strange you say that with no inside knowledge...... The most deals made are with Peter and Deborah either singular or together........ And both especially Peter goes for huge chunks of the businesses and still Dines off levi roots (which was a gamble for Peter and pot luck that us the people took to levi aswell as the product)..... They have most deals joint or on their own but 90% and that's Conservative they pulll out on.......Deborah never does follow up videos and don't do anything if its not something good or gives her the attention she craves (many many shows she has her princess moments)....... She didn't do this post video for love and waste her precious time....... The den they get to ask what they need etc...... Then obviously finalised but again Deborah and Peter always back out and yes make more offers but look at the percentage rate to deals and back outs!...... Many many products the dragons missed out on and many they invested in failed...... They never mention that with videos of Deborah giving her valuable time to though..... How strange?...... You say dishonest pitches yet most are novices and if not asked by experts they won't just think to say "here's our flaws" as most don't even know they have chunks in the armour and so niave....... You state it like they are mainly con merchant ffs...... The dragons are the experts and the ones they try to use people's desperation and vulnerabilities to gain...... Are you Duncan balatine in disguise or just bitter seeing others doing well?....... If not why are you so quick to slate the novice public trying to better themselves and not question the dragons who are professionals mistakes with deals?..... Let alone the stats and the way the dragons often put in small sums from their purse yet really really take advantage of people's desperation with equity?..... If great full proof product they all go for they don't try to take the piss half as much!.......that alone why and where is your fact that the deals full through based on the dodgy pitchers?........ Again most deals fall through from the same 2 Peter and Deborah...... Did you know that or look that stay up???...... As previously why did Deborah pop up to do this video after?..... It wasn't to promote or help them that's for sure...... More to put her tuppence over to save face....... They have done OK since this and she would have more then got her money back..... Unless you are on her inheritance list or her pr agent I don't get where your ignorant and incorrect nonsense comment slating "most" your words over the deals?...... Or for why?....... You're just a bitter negative person who has never achieved or dared to achieve in your life Danny boy...... I'm not at the best stage of life atm from various things and many since March 2020 have and are struggling in one way or another...... But I still look at this video and 1st thing I thought was good luck to them!...... Them failing don't help me does it?....... Deborah conning them for more don't help me either!....... I don't know what happened with the deal so I can't judge but I've said about deals failures with stats who the main people etc....... But I don't know so can't comment but them lads have done OK since and good on them........... You seem to know about "most" deals and all the dodgy pitchers etc....... Please let us know your reasoning your proof to back your nonsense bitter claims up with names and what was dodgy and the links to the shows to see what they did that was dodgy....... Even tho dragons have top solicitors look it over before signing anything..... The privilege the pitchers don't have...... I bet you're that man at work who proper sucks off the management or ceo yet they still don't acknowledge you or notice you!...... They never will Danny boy....... Bitterness and jealousy is a bad thing and will only hold you back........those poor vulnerable dragons that the nasty pitchers try to take advantage of lol
@@futhamucka Peter jones wants to help ha ha ha...... He even says Im not here for niceness or whatever and I'm here to make money........ Then if its 10% for sum like 80k which is nothing to him and he will at least get it returned so loses nothing...... He says I want 35 to 40% he is the worst one out of the lot....... Duncan is rude and abrut but hardly parts with his money let alone takes the pitchers for nearly half the business...... Peter does yet he is rich already..... I get its business and not a charity but he literally takes advantage of their desperation and naivety in business....... You think he does it to help them like the good samaritan ha ha........ What planet are you on?....... Again quick to blame the amateur pitchers but sympathy for the professional business people...... Well should based on your veiw call them philanthropic saviours here to help ha ha ha...... Bloody pitching con artists preying on these vulnerable millionaires how dare they ha ha ha....... I'd love to know your facts and reasoning as to why the amateurs are at fault...... Your inside expert opinion would be great to....... But you have none and its your opinion from watching a few episodes.... Yet still not seeing what arrogant people the likes or Deborah and your idol Peter jones are...... I'd love you to go on there as Peter would bleed you dry while you thank him and tell all your friends how much he tried to help you and was all for you ha ha ha
@@daveyber3564 Don't cry
These 2 are really unprofessional
@Jonsin 1459 I think we all saw the video smartass
reckon they made this to inform the public she isn’t involved with that company
after all the bad reviews they got, Deborah might have wanted to make it clear she had no involvement
@@dser366 exactly!
That's a very good point. The company reviews on Google are absolutely shocking!
And so they should.
Haha, spot on the money I think
Deborah is pure class.
Used to be before she became an insufferable eco loon
not always but in this case ... yes
Imagine just standing there being a wrench the entire pitch
spanner
@@AnotherPointOfView944 oi, manners! ;)
She is use to it
@@AnotherPointOfView944 same thing
@@JCRoberts97 Not in England
Okay, we can accept that they decided to go with another investor, but to not communicate those decisions is rude, ungrateful, unprofessional and childish.
@YouStink how? They completely ignored here and ran off to another investor. The Dragons are they way they are because it’s their money they’re investing in peoples business. How would you feel if you were in Deborah’s shoes? The investors agreed to Deborah’s offer and then ignored her.
@YouStink how so? The investors went on the show looking for an investment. Agreed to Deborah’s offer and then ignored her and went to another investor. The point is, Deborah was ready to invest in their company and they ignored her. She wasn’t desperate at all. She just wanted answers.
Perhaps if the dragons weren’t so greedy . . . . 🤷🏻♂️
maybe because debras offer was straight garbage. trash doesnt get communicated with
OP: "Okay, we can accept that they decided to go with another investor, but to not communicate those decisions is rude, ungrateful, unprofessional and childish."
no it isnt!
Its called business, duhhhh
Deborah earned a lot of points in my eyes with the after show.
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whos side are you on? the rich toffs or the working class underdogs trying to make it?
@@nobbystyles4807 those arent 'working class', you salty about the rich huh? poor lol
@@nobbystyles4807 Im on the side of what makes sence
@@nobbystyles4807 I'm on the side of good people... Even after she described all the work and money she was spending on them while they completely blanked her and went with someone else instead, they didn't bother apologizing. They just sat there with smirks on their faces repeating rubbish about "they made mistakes but have learnt from it". A lack of common decency isn't a "mistake", its a character flaw.
These guys are devious, deceptive and dishonourable. They had a good offer from Deborah, and the least they could have done would have been to communicate. They deserve what may be coming to them. What goes around comes around
That's why everyone is review bombing them one stars.. that's unfair too though
Agree.. shows your caracter and respect for others!
Don't talk BS. These dragons first intimidate them bring their moral down than Ask for a big chunk. It is similar to punching someone down and than giving them a helping hand.
@@sanketkumar8040 what on earth are you saying… ? Write proper English then perhaps you will be understood..otherwise don’t bother to write anything at all
@@markcyphus3292 The only typo he made was 'than' lol
Yikes, judging by the google reviews, Deborah dodged a bullet.
69 likes baby boy
She had a mailing campaign ready to contact 1.5 million people, so she put them to work review bombing them.
Good. They used her as a stalking horse. Your word is your bond.
Company had £2million profits in 2020. They were right to reject her.
According to Companies House the company is profitable (around £700K in profit last time around) so financially it would've worked out if Deborah's offer went through, but yes apparently there's a lot of unhappy customers
based on online reviews, seems Deb got the full customer experience of being ignored and left hanging.
When Peter said the spanner could leave and she spoke I spat my tea out.
Hmm, they seem proper dodgey at the end. I bet they're rogue traders
For me they was claim issue with my car which wasn't needed
They literally were shown on rogue traders, or a similar programme like that for mis-selling
Market traders
One hit wonders pair of bellends cowboys after a quick buck
im guessing the producers told peter not to do that douchey time limit move again, because they like to drag everything out lol.
Funny enough that's standard on the American version. If the person pitching takes a breath the investor takes the deal off the table
I recall him doing it another time, either Duncan or Theo (I can't remember which) got pissed and waited until the end of the countdown before speaking.
Peter's time limit of 4 mins was still more generous than the limit he gives his wife, his lover or his children, so I can give him credit for that :)))
@@Albimar17 Lmao what a burn
It’s television. The reality is those four mins could turn into 30mins and Jones wouldn’t give a hoot. But in the editing power of TV those 30mins are trimmed right down to give the fullest piece of entertainment in broadcast for television. It makes Peter’s “four mins deadline” look like an ultimatum. It wasn’t. But the watching viewers still fall for it.
I felt the arkwardness of that meeting. Fancy going for another investor and not telling the original investor
The business may have traded more honestly with Deborah on board. Just look at their reviews. I tried them once, never again.
The whole idea is flawed. Its bad enough dealing directly with a repair shop. I cant imagine dealing with a 3rd party who talks to the repair shop.
@@tubester4567 especially with a couple of toerags sounding like Delboy and Rodney Trotter
Same here.
@Panda Monium a toe rag is another way to describe someone as the lowest as the low or criminals.
Yeah, I wouldn't like to hand my car to someone without knowing which shop is fixing it. They work with 600 DIFFERENT shops. I want to be able to read reviews and then decide if the shop will get my business.
I won't use their garages anymore - i fear, the unanswered phone calls and emails, if something went wrong with my car service
Childish amateurs who have got their comeuppance with swathes of scathing negative reviews from customers on google. I’m sure Deborah is now glad to have nothing to do with them!
They've made millions though. So they didn't really get Karma unfortunately.
There needs to be more of these "after the deal" segments. That was just as good as the pitching
These guys are really pathetic
I agree with John, why?? They're successful and a dragon invested in their buisness
@@JohnSmith-el5mo interesting read, thank you.
@@ray_tupper_eTosser Stay safe. Cheers.
@@Jamie_Winsh The dragon never invest.
They’re pathetic because they couldn’t make a simple phone call to Deborah Meaden, explaining (and possibly apologising) to Deborah as to why they weren’t going to honour their agreement with her.
I've used service stop one before... they took my car for a joy ride and did no work... unlucky for them I had a dash cam and tracker fitter. straight to trading standards with these cowboys!
That’s really bad! Yikes I hope they got done for it
@@pokebae591 they tried to play it off like it didn't happen, then apologised and offered £15 as good will... You're having a laugh. Got trading standards out and they confirmed no work was done and was given a full refund plus damages. 🤦🏽♂️🙄
@@OmarsTech Good for you !!!
@@OmarsTech £15?!...
@@LondonSambaDancerBellydancer My exact reaction... £15... 😂 Jokers 🤦🏽♂️
Deborah is so cool as she was younger. You can really tell her personality and such people-skills, she is really great at communicating and friendly!
She seemed really really mean in the first series or two 😂 but ya she does seem like a genuine person.
"Trust" is SO IMPORTANT in life..., NOT only in business...!!! Well done Deborah for confronting them...👍🏆
you dodged a bullet there Deborah, these two are as creepy and shady as you like.
Deborah is such a class act 🙏 Having her on your team is half the entrepreneurial battle won🤘
She was still gracious after what happened. Wow
Deborah is fantastic she has stood out for me during lockdown and has shown her class!! All the best to her
Deborah was clearly tired of these wheeler dealers
Wow just look at these guys' reviews on google, got a habit of not responding
Like not communicating to the spanner to leave
That last shot of the spanner walking down the stairs got me 😂
They screwed Deborah out of the business even when she gave the best offer.
Only Karma can make amends. How ungrateful.
Another offer came and they took it, that's fine. The problem was that they didn't tell Deborah that another offer had come in and that they were going to take it.
Two childish wannabes. Looking at their reviews you can tell that years gone by but they still didnt grow up. Amazed that they traded for so many years.
Deborah is an amazing class act. If the boys had communicated to her what was going on, they might have been amazed at what she would have done for them.
They went on dragons den for national exposure and free advertising. Nothing more.
How unprofessional! If you change your mind etc. that’s okay. Just communicate with the other person instead of leaving them hanging. It’s called common courtesy. Reading these comments clearly it’s part of the way the operate. Very poor.
Deborah was their plan B in case their other negotiations fell through, that`s why they left her hanging. She dogged the bullet :D
Just shows how genuine and sincere Deborah is as a business person and shows how when someone leaves another dangling and in the dark, the lack of consideration can cost the other, dearly. Lesson to learn: always be 100% fully transparent.
Deborah is amazing! Very dedicated, no one should taken her for granted.
I like their appearance on Rogue Traders better.
Which episode?
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@@BenjaminGoose Won't play, something about a defamation complaint 😑
Scumbags are really good at abusing the process 😒
If this is how they treat a potential investor, it shows they have zero business acumen. This kind of dishonest attitude will only cascade down to their customer base and the end user will be the ones that suffer in the long-run. Deborah dodged a bullet.
Judging by their reviews you're spot on
Deborah is a class act; straightforward and professional 😀
I've used servicing stop once before. They took the car, about 3 hours later I got a call. Timing belt needs to be changed (I had it changed 5k miles before the service) and 2 tyres needed to be replaced....they didn't. Absolute joke of a company, I've reviewed on Google aswell because their customer agent was absolutely hounding me to get the work done. I said no over 10 times and then they messed me about with dropping the car back, even though I paid for the service over the phone. I would highly recommend that people give this company a wide berth. Bully tactics and constant pressure to get done that was not needed. Scandalous
I demand an episode deborah reacting to their awesome reviews on trustpilot and google :V
I love these recaps, always good to know what happens after the den
Please do more stuff like this where the dragons & entrepreneurs talk about the investments. More Deborah too, she's great
It was childish of Peter to say 'you have 4 minutes to decide' - I'd have instantly rejected that offer because of the manner it was made. It's unprofessional and immature.
Love her - she is next level. She sits on that chair for a reason.
I miss James, one of the most underrated dragons
Also the kindest aha how can you not love him? Speaks v lightly and never rushes in to grill someone
I don't get her... after 2 unanswered emails & 2 phone calls, why would she want to deal with such people?
Sometimes when you passionate and see the potential, you just keep trying and trying
That's why she's where she is and why you're where you are.
You owe her 5 grand i think was the outcome of that meeting lol
Deborah was very gracious, these guys should've had the decency to let her know that they had another investor
Deborah should be spending money on negative Google reviews😂😂
I would, I'm petty!
They ghosted her and she had such a classy come back!
Well Debra, you're a bigger business woman than I am because I don't think I would have handled that situation as well as you did. Just sitting here I was pretty pissed off at those two.
Let's be real: they only went on Dragons' Den for free publicity. They never wanted to sell part of the company, that's why they left her hanging.
Then why didnt they just reject her firsthand?
@@hdr_diamondz because they didn't want to make it obvious
@@hdr_diamondz Because the perception of accepting an offer from Deborah would have given their business more exposure.
In the end though they just exposed themselves as a right pair of spanners.
Nah they were cornered by other dragons using their intimidating tactics. They eventually give away a lot of Equity. Later they got good offer so they decided not to go ahead with her.they should have told her
Apparently, since she didn't give them a four-minute deadline, they thought they had forever to let her know they were going back on the deal.
Makes me think the reason Deborah seek them out was to clarify to the public that she is not involved in their business.
People who watched the program without the "catch up" part might assumed that Deborah backed up those duo.
They look very suspicious.. Maybe Mr Jones was the private guy. Just look to his reaction when they accepted Deborah's one.
This is wonderful! I have never seen the post of a Dragon's Den pitch such as this!
To leave an investor dangling in non-communication was so unprofessional and rude just because they had other offers. This could be their undoing and it highly speaks of insincerety. Shame.
Deborah showed class. And professionalism. Her ethics clearly showed. Not to forget her loyalty. As for these traders...
She dodged a bullet - their conduct was horrendous, and even confronting them at the end, they still acted so indifferent. What the hell was their problem?
they are completely cornered they can say nothing to defend themselves so have to come off as dick heads which they are
Very shady business tactics by these guys. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Jenny was right going out.
shady as hell
they should have told her right away theyd changed their minds
I have never trusted any one in the car trade and, these guys have done nothing to change my mind.
So they were on the show for the free advertising. Got it :)
Re-uploads non stop now
I'd never seen this before.
@@iseeyou1312 Me neither and I thought I'd seen them all.
Your not diehard did fans then 👍
@@hansiesma16 well obviously you haven't seen them all
Not seen this before.
Those guys must be nuts
I've watched so many episodes of Dragons' Den and Shark Tank but this is the first one I've seen when they followed up on the business after the fact. Maybe I've missed a lot. Either way, this is exactly what I'm looking for, so keep it up! The conclusion really sells the whole show.
After watching this video it was apparent that they're rude and unprofessional, but they succeeded and the company is going strong. Atleast, that's what I thought. Then I read their reviews on Google. These pathetic, unethical "businessmen" didn't just play Deborah but they're playing their customers as well.
Well said Witcher ☝️
What’s everyone’s dragons den dream team?
Theo the faetus
Duncan
Richard farleigh
Debra
Peter
Jenny is missing for that reason I am out
it perfect
Theo
Duncan
Richard Farleigh
Debra
Touker suleyman
One thing to do em, sign on the dotted line..
Dotted line: It's been credit crunch
The way the scene cut to James walking up to the guy after he found out he was on track to spend £3M a year on marketing looked like he was going up to punch him
Deborah had a lucky escape. The reviews of this company speak for themselves.
Deborah is much more ethical when it comes to business! They are scammers and I'm pretty sure if Deborah found that out she would have walked away!
They Treat Deborah Meaden in the same way they treat their customers obviously with no respect and courtesy
@@dixon296 1
@@dixon296 have you seen there reviews? They am scammers destroying people's cars etc run 🏃♂️ a mile away from them!
The one brother doing all of the talking is the true WEASEL.
I like this more now that they show follow up information. I often wonder what happens when the leave the den.
Ohhh I like this type of video. Nice fighting among the dragons and an after deal :))
What a class act closing up the meeting from Deborah. Mad respect for her
They did some dirty business here. Obviously should have communicated like gentlemen and businessmen. Off topic Deborah looks attractive especially for her age!
Used to work for a garage who used servicing stop. Alls i can say is, don't bother. Ull get ripped off and someone like me will rag your car around
Thank you so much for these episodes, any chance we can have Gavins Drakes pitch .
Yous should definitely do more post investment or post pitch insights!
Servicing stop makes money by adding huge hidden costs to the service after you buy. I got charged £100 for spark plugs!!
Wow, just look at those Google reviews, shameful, Deborah dodged a bullet with this one.
Debra is matured and honest in her talks. Toby and Oliver should have communicated. Anyways it was very interesting to see this all
Ha! This is an old, old episode!😂😂😂😂Twit!
Who is Debra?
Peter is a massive Jerk.. if you mortgage your house you want to un mortgage it as fast as possible
ouch they got a good telling off lol
Well deserved. So unprofessional to handshake and agree to a deal, then stringing the investor along while actually fishing for a better deal. They had a great idea but their business skills leave a lot to be desired.
@@aartadventure
agreed. I have huge respect for Deborah for telling that to them straight. They were like a bunch of schoolchildren being told off by the headmaster. They should grow a pair!
Given how they treat an investor, oxygen to their business, their customers must really get treated badly. 😐
Sharks fleecing the customers and the garages, middle men who add nothing apart from huge costs for the customers
I started my business with F all.I worked 7 days a week for 5 years and never borrowed a penny.I sold
my business for $3 million in 2014.
Toby gives me strong Delboy vibes.
Debora is still upset the air is not cleared the men were very rude to leave her danger ling
Go with another investor and ghosted from debora, that's so unprofessional
They seem shady and immature
The Dodgy Bros. "put a spanner in the works" for the Deb-sta!
Atleast Peter showed the spanner some mercy..
This isn't a "Live and Learn," situation like they told her, for they both knew they were blowing off Deborah, which was totally irresponsible for them to keep her in the dark, not respond to her calls, knowing they went with other investors and a better offer.
This is a 10 years old video and this guys still have "as seen in Dragon Den" ad in their website. Think this was the main reason they came here.
That quite lad looks like Rodney 😂🤣
Thick you mean?
@@Myrddin1955 both lol
That was the smallest contract ive ever seen. 1 signature and multiple millions of dollars were agreed to. LOL!!!!!