From wikipedia : Jenny Campbell built up a reputation of not making an investment in any business on the show, despite eventually investing in hemp skincare producer Carun UK, truck advertising firm Driven Media and also investing in energy switching service Look After My Bills. Where did you pull your argument from? Hopefully not from where the sun don't shine?
@@therealm00theoriginal27 probably him and a few more. Just a few. Yeah she's good, welĺ spoken, comes off as a genuinely good person but definitely not someone so amazing and unique to go "Yessss" like this guy.
If you watch the one from BBC channel you mostly get Sara Davies episodes. But if you watch it from Dragon's Den own channel you only get the old episodes.
I started my nursing career in aged care. I’ve seen the elderly trip and fall on furniture, and no nurse ever forgets the sound of an elderly person, or any person really, who’s skull hits the ground from a fall, **smack**, it’s gut wrenching. If I could invest in this product, I would, it will save lives in a number of ways, ie trip hazard, infection risks, etc. I wish you both all the best.
Everyone had become acquainted with the same gut wrenching sound when a policeman pushed over that unarmed elderly protestor and cracked his skull on the concrete pavement, causing his ears canals to bleed. You could hear the cringing sound of the skull cracking over the commotion from across the street. I admire anyone nobly working in any age care facility. If we don't die prematurely or don't have family support, our last years are reliant on their expertise and quality care.
They know they have to basically build the business from the ground up . 75% of a business and have someone with links is a pretty good thing for basically a start up with zero sales .
I agree, I think they could also make them for people who are living at home, both in the U.K. and internationally. The world has an ageing population and I think they do have quite a big potential market
I can’t believe 3 dragons thought it would not be a profitable business. Peter asked ( where do you go when you’ve sold to all the care homes ) since it’s so well made. Peter was only thinking of the UK market. I live in Japan and worked for a company that has HUGE care homes. The type of care homes that charge thousands per month to have your loved ones in. This product would be so welcomed here. Not only in the care homes, these people here would buy 2 sets per person, one for the care homes and one for their private homes for when their elderly loved ones came to visit.
I doubt that very much, why would you put this in your home just for the rare times your elderly ones come to visit, it's ugly and unappealing, also that doesn't happen in the UK, once you're in a care home you don't 'go to visit' anywhere.
I live in Japan, and have worked with one of the leading age care companies in the country. Sometimes the dragons only look at their local markets. Here, care for the elderly is a HUGE business, since we have the oldest population on the planet.
This isn't the first time Peter has complained about lack of built-in obsolescence in a product. It really says something about his values and what his businesses sell.
When in business, unfortunately, you are required to leave your morals, ethics, and compassion at home if you want to succeed in capitalism. #SadButTrue
There was no bidding war. It was three dragons pulling a Jenny and were out, and two kinda crappy offers. 10k and 25% they values the business at 40k? Almost insulting.
to be honest I dont think thats insulting the dragons are buying into a concept that hasn't even been fully proven on the market, theres no POs so far and no financial history showing that this item will sell the dragon is going to have to do a whole lot of work to get the cost down and to find a manufacturer to produce the product, bring it to market etc.
I gaurantee if you were giving 10,000 of your own money to someone you didnt know for something that was a potential risk you wouldnt make a statement like that. Which explains why they are successful business people and youre commenting on youtube videos.
You discussed that, that isn't about the money, it's the contacts they were looking for ; 1 cheap manufacturer, 2 get it to every care home and plus. They even said they have extra money to Put in their business.
Where is the bidding WAR? They made 1 offer each, and the couple accepted the lowest equaty offer on the table. Another click bait and once again I fall for it
Great experience. It’s incredibly nerve wracking to pitch in front of those dragons. Sara is lovely and was a good choice. She is genuinely a caring person.
Could this be attached to a regular modern chair and be used as a computer/tablet desk in small spaces like college dorms I wonder? The design could itself be used for other environments not just care homes.
I'm sure desks like this have been around for ages-I've seen variations on them at my uni and workplace. Pretty crap tbh. If you don't have enough weight on the tray or lean on it wrong, it falls back to the side. I'm not in the UK though.
A very clever pitch. Low investment ask but in return gets priceless manufacturing and marketing expertise. Great foresight in taking that approach. One of the best pitches in terms of realism and restraint by owners and their respect for the abilities of the apex entrepreneurs in the Den.
True, I think some dragons high ball them just to make sure they’re not suckers and actually have negotiating skill, which can be as valuable as any idea/product.
@J B Dragons nearly always go for a reasonable price, because they don't want the entrepreneur to back out or another investor to outdo them. That's capitalism.
Debra is so sneaky. She knows she can't make money out of this but cannot be frank like Peter. So she squirms out of it by saying she doesn't know how to add value.
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Brilliant pitch, superb show of the materials, and a great decision in the end! I loved it!
I can see there could be quite a few upgrade-add on they could sell for this amazing care equipment. For starter, a telescopic/foldable tube to hang IV bags. Or a wireless “bell” kit that help the patients notify the care givers when they need help. So many things you can slap on to the base of this equipment
79 pounds to build them. What's the retail? How do they attach? Will homes buy them for every chair? Can they be made in different sizes to accommodate different chairs? *note how the end rests on the left arm just a wee bit? Prefer an extra two inches (●THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID●) for more security. If the user leans onto the table or falls forward onto it, prefer it be stabilized by the left arm. Shit, I'd buy one for my moms chair at home. And one for me...biscuits and tea while watching Tele would be nice.
This appears to be the same idea that I've used for years at training venues...a 'table' that swings up from the side of a chair. I'm not sure this a new idea.
Very refreshing on the value of the 'idea', I have not seen all DDs but I gone through quite a few on TH-cam and I think that is about the most realistic valuation I have seen. (There was one on Australian Shark Tank who offered a stake in his business for a crate of beer and another wanted AUD10.) I think I would have tried to do a deal with both of the dragons who showed an interest.
I’m pretty sure Sara would have given the 10k for a 20% stake, either right away or scaling back to 20% after she’d had her money back if they’d simply asked her politely...I always cringe when I see equity given away so easily and without a fight like that 🙄
Yeah but don't forget the business hasn't even started trading yet so she is only investing in an idea. Also if she makes it happen and gets the price of the manufacturing right down then she's wrll worth her shares
HELLO Peter - wear and tear, in 3 years many will need replacing 🙄 and it’s not just care homes. Both sets of my grandparents would want one of these - each (4). My mum would too. Peter is being too narrow minded
We use this in our care home. The metal top is rounded and very smooth. Hasn’t hurt anyone. It’s quite safe. Actually the other tables are quite dangerous simply because they can’t be put away and clients trip over them.
you could ask for £5000 for 50% of the company and they'd still ask for 75% lol. It literally doesnt matter what you ask for they will get another 20-30% out of you
Really nice design. Would honestly buy myself xD. Also love that these guys are so caring, never know when something like this can happen to you so its reassuring to see people like this who actually care for people in need
Flimsy table, no edge strips stopping people with poor eye sight knocking their hot tea on themselves. Release is ontop is it? When people rest their hand on top as they lean over to get up they release the table with hot tea ontop?
Just interested to know your solution for stopping people with poor eyesight knocking hot tea on themselves. What kind of edge strips could possibly stop that from happenning? (I guess you're not planning on them reaching the ceiling)
@@albo181they show a typical example in the video. It stops the drink sliding off the edge. The lip has a tasctile feed back, if it is over the lip it is on the table. If no edge a blind person could put it down with one hand only putting one half on the table without realisingm ore easily than with a lip. With a lip spilt liquid doesnt go everywhere. Plates dont slip off the edge so easily
No that’s not how it works. These are designed for the care industry. You’d have to run a pretty awful care home if you allow a blind person unsupervised with a hot cup of tea. Especially if they have dementia. The same risk applies to normal tables. They have no lip either. Are blind people not allowed to use them.
Sara Davies is such a great replacement for Jenny, she actually makes deals to people!!
Jenny made deals and offers. Quite a bit actually. Get off the bandwagon.
3 offers out of a 100 entrepreneurs is not what I'd call "Quite a Bit".
@@harishsubramanian1241
Where did you pull that from?
@@harishsubramanian1241
I prefer Sara , Jenny is a bit of a
.cold 🐟 🤔🤭🤭😳
From wikipedia : Jenny Campbell built up a reputation of not making an investment in any business on the show, despite eventually investing in hemp skincare producer Carun UK, truck advertising firm Driven Media and also investing in energy switching service Look After My Bills.
Where did you pull your argument from? Hopefully not from where the sun don't shine?
Sara Davies makes such a change from Jenny Campbell, not rude and puts a much better atmosphere in the den. Glad they accepted her
lol can tell you're a geordie
She’s almost the complete opposite of Jenny it’s great. She’s so passionate and is there to invest.
@@ludwigwittgenduck3282 ,
She's greedy
@@ludwigwittgenduck3282 how can you tell
Am I the only one who goes "YES!!!" when you stumble onto an episode that has Sara Davies in it?
I wish there was a filter for just her appearances
@@adam-yk6yd there is
Search 'sara davies, dragon's den' there you go...
imo yes you are
@@therealm00theoriginal27 probably him and a few more. Just a few. Yeah she's good, welĺ spoken, comes off as a genuinely good person but definitely not someone so amazing and unique to go "Yessss" like this guy.
If you watch the one from BBC channel you mostly get Sara Davies episodes. But if you watch it from Dragon's Den own channel you only get the old episodes.
I started my nursing career in aged care. I’ve seen the elderly trip and fall on furniture, and no nurse ever forgets the sound of an elderly person, or any person really, who’s skull hits the ground from a fall, **smack**, it’s gut wrenching. If I could invest in this product, I would, it will save lives in a number of ways, ie trip hazard, infection risks, etc. I wish you both all the best.
You wish them all the best, but I guess, you are out...?
Oh, sorry. I thought it's Jenny's speech.
Have a great day :)
Ughh😥😥
@@Alex-o9z7y derp
It's just like that stowaway table on the plane if you sit on the first row
Everyone had become acquainted with the same gut wrenching sound when a policeman pushed over that unarmed elderly protestor and cracked his skull on the concrete pavement, causing his ears canals to bleed. You could hear the cringing sound of the skull cracking over the commotion from across the street.
I admire anyone nobly working in any age care facility. If we don't die prematurely or don't have family support, our last years are reliant on their expertise and quality care.
Touker: "Just before you make up your mind, I will also include free office space in London as part of my offer". 😀😀😀
Hahaha I was wondering why he did not bring that up.
@@stealthattack2209 he kind of did that.
Ha ha ha ha
His a classic
Haha
Sara Davies is fantastic. Breath of fresh air for the show
The Dragons tell them how great and realistic their low valuation is, before proceeding to gouge them for 2.5x and 3.5x what they were offering.
They know they have to basically build the business from the ground up . 75% of a business and have someone with links is a pretty good thing for basically a start up with zero sales .
To be honest, I would like to buy one for my home. They could make a lot of money in the U.S. the price needs to be adjusted though.
I'd love a wooden one.
jay eww
I agree, I think they could also make them for people who are living at home, both in the U.K. and internationally. The world has an ageing population and I think they do have quite a big potential market
Of course, its a perfect product for obese americans to eat food all day without having to stand up from the sofa
Friendly Neighbourhood Spidey 😂
I can’t believe 3 dragons thought it would not be a profitable business. Peter asked ( where do you go when you’ve sold to all the care homes ) since it’s so well made. Peter was only thinking of the UK market. I live in Japan and worked for a company that has HUGE care homes. The type of care homes that charge thousands per month to have your loved ones in. This product would be so welcomed here. Not only in the care homes, these people here would buy 2 sets per person, one for the care homes and one for their private homes for when their elderly loved ones came to visit.
I doubt that very much, why would you put this in your home just for the rare times your elderly ones come to visit, it's ugly and unappealing, also that doesn't happen in the UK, once you're in a care home you don't 'go to visit' anywhere.
When Sara Davies speaks , you can feel it .
fat joke?
@@fawazshahul7152 perhaps a 3.5 on the richter scale
I live in Japan, and have worked with one of the leading age care companies in the country. Sometimes the dragons only look at their local markets. Here, care for the elderly is a HUGE business, since we have the oldest population on the planet.
Sarah Davies is the boss. She is awesome. Just great judgement and authority. What a pleasant replacement to Jenny.
This isn't the first time Peter has complained about lack of built-in obsolescence in a product. It really says something about his values and what his businesses sell.
Liz Clegg true words!
Yet he's probably wearing John Lobb shoes which last a lifetime!!!
When in business, unfortunately, you are required to leave your morals, ethics, and compassion at home if you want to succeed in capitalism. #SadButTrue
YuToobVids eh no you’re not.
how's Nick doing? Havent heard from him in a while...
There was no bidding war. It was three dragons pulling a Jenny and were out, and two kinda crappy offers. 10k and 25% they values the business at 40k? Almost insulting.
to be honest I dont think thats insulting
the dragons are buying into a concept that hasn't even been fully proven on the market, theres no POs so far and no financial history showing that this item will sell
the dragon is going to have to do a whole lot of work to get the cost down and to find a manufacturer to produce the product, bring it to market etc.
The entrepreneurs knew what they were doing. They weren’t after a dragon’s money, but just their expertise and involvement.
I gaurantee if you were giving 10,000 of your own money to someone you didnt know for something that was a potential risk you wouldnt make a statement like that. Which explains why they are successful business people and youre commenting on youtube videos.
@@mack7963 when you have that much money and seen some of the other investments they've made then yes they would still be making that statement
I WOULD OFFER THEM 80K FOR 30% I ain,t stealing !!
Sarah Davies is way too underrated. If I had the opportunity, would have picked her eyes closed
Touker: Would you like to use some of my office space as a care home?
I love how touker is always so happy for the other dragons when they ruthlessly undercut him!
Toucker is a Wick...He enjoys the others. He's got enough Baloney in the Bank!
10,000 for 10% this is by far the lowest money asked at the Den
Yet they still lowball.
You discussed that, that isn't about the money, it's the contacts they were looking for ; 1 cheap manufacturer, 2 get it to every care home and plus. They even said they have extra money to
Put in their business.
Where is the bidding WAR? They made 1 offer each, and the couple accepted the lowest equaty offer on the table. Another click bait and once again I fall for it
“Sarah we’d....”
AAAAAYYYY WELL DONE
"...we'd like to thank you for your offer but we've decided to take Touker up on his offer instead..."
"AAAYYYYY-oh. okay."
This invention looks exactly like the hideaway tables at each chair in the lecture theatres when I was at university over 12 years ago. Same mechanism
We lost so many laptops to that desk. It was the curse of Z411
What about airplane hideaway tables, I don't see anything new about this
@@kuling12345 That's exactly what I was thinking. Nothing really new about this
@@kuling12345 How is this even remotely similar to aircraft tables?
@@ishmyboy Alex Logan was thinking back to the time he used to fly with Charles Lindbergh ...
"With all due respect, we all have teams" go Sarah.
Great experience. It’s incredibly nerve wracking to pitch in front of those dragons. Sara is lovely and was a good choice. She is genuinely a caring person.
I hope you guys achieved what you were looking for
Lmfaooo when Touker said 35% the camera zoomed in on the Mrs like a bollywood movie 😂😂 (edit - timestamp 7:10
Hahahaha I can't unsee it hahahah
Lmfao good spot
If peter is not investing , Deborah won’t invest too, most of the times and they always like to partner.
Not really I’ve seen them invest even if the other did more than when both of them make offers🤦♂️
Haven't pressed play yet but guessing Jenny's out? Touker has a vacant office space?
Touker's acquired some office space in China.
Could this be attached to a regular modern chair and be used as a computer/tablet desk in small spaces like college dorms I wonder? The design could itself be used for other environments not just care homes.
Bravo, brilliant idea
I'm sure desks like this have been around for ages-I've seen variations on them at my uni and workplace. Pretty crap tbh. If you don't have enough weight on the tray or lean on it wrong, it falls back to the side. I'm not in the UK though.
A very clever pitch. Low investment ask but in return gets priceless manufacturing and marketing expertise. Great foresight in taking that approach. One of the best pitches in terms of realism and restraint by owners and their respect for the abilities of the apex entrepreneurs in the Den.
Even the music turned epic when Sara started to speak
Damn i like Sarah. So genuine and positive, bring a new light to the Den!
i swear this has been used in university lecture halls for years
I would have this in my home and I’m not in a “home” yet.
Same here!I would have one at my chair in the sitting room, one in the loo and maybe one next to my bed!🙂
@@helencoven One in the loo??? Madness
Such a lovely couple!
lol you would say that though wouldnt you
What do you mean? They are a lovely couple! Such a weird comment....
@@caitlinlindsay8418 it's pretty self explanatory. Use Google Translate if you're struggling.
If Sara was my chick I would die for her she has a beautiful heart and omgggg her smile she is so adorable I can’t 😭😭💜💜💜
She's really pretty
School / Uni classrooms and lecture halls have had these for years
Tej never invest untill peter valuates....he isn't entrepreneur, he is inheriterance.
Must be hard in jenny's household, even though there's a lockdown, she keeps going out!
I will never understand the entrepreneurs who don’t try to negotiate
You have absolutely nothing to lose by trying to negotiate a better deal
you could easily lose a dragon or they might see you unfavourably later on. definitely a lot to lose by asking for a better deal.
True, I think some dragons high ball them just to make sure they’re not suckers and actually have negotiating skill, which can be as valuable as any idea/product.
@J B Dragons nearly always go for a reasonable price, because they don't want the entrepreneur to back out or another investor to outdo them. That's capitalism.
Debra is so sneaky. She knows she can't make money out of this but cannot be frank like Peter. So she squirms out of it by saying she doesn't know how to add value.
Brilliant pitch, superb show of the materials, and a great decision in the end! I loved it!
WAS WAITING FOR TOUCKER TO BRING UP HIS OFFICE SPACE IN LONDON lmAO. WHAT A GREAT LOVELY COUPLE. HOPE THEY GET A LOT OF SUCCESS.
Peter basically saying a good quality product is not worth selling
Loveliest couple on the den ☺️
Tej always looks so unwell and knackered
I would have bought this for my mother at home in a heart beat
I can see there could be quite a few upgrade-add on they could sell for this amazing care equipment. For starter, a telescopic/foldable tube to hang IV bags. Or a wireless “bell” kit that help the patients notify the care givers when they need help. So many things you can slap on to the base of this equipment
Goddamn Sara was actually such a breath of fresh air into the den.
I love sara Davies. such a nice lady
Why should this be limited to care homes? My mother live at home until the day she dies and I would have bought one of these for her.
Debra won’t be beyond it for too long, she will need one of them tables soon enough 🤣🤣🤣
79 pounds to build them.
What's the retail?
How do they attach?
Will homes buy them for every chair?
Can they be made in different sizes to accommodate different chairs?
*note how the end rests on the left arm just a wee bit?
Prefer an extra two inches (●THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID●) for more security.
If the user leans onto the table or falls forward onto it, prefer it be stabilized by the left arm.
Shit, I'd buy one for my moms chair at home.
And one for me...biscuits and tea while watching Tele would be nice.
No one really cares mate
Does anyone else think that Peter Jones does not look well?
yeah we all think that
He shook hands with Boris only 10 days ago
@@brettwilkinson9529 hilarious....
Yeh he's got snobofialia
Yeah he is suffering from ligma
Nice one Sara. Their reaction in the elevator was priceless.
This already existed in the front row seats in airplane economy cabins lol
This appears to be the same idea that I've used for years at training venues...a 'table' that swings up from the side of a chair. I'm not sure this a new idea.
Very refreshing on the value of the 'idea', I have not seen all DDs but I gone through quite a few on TH-cam and I think that is about the most realistic valuation I have seen. (There was one on Australian Shark Tank who offered a stake in his business for a crate of beer and another wanted AUD10.) I think I would have tried to do a deal with both of the dragons who showed an interest.
I can't believe any of them where out. It's only 10k, nothing to them. Take a punt!
These flip top gives me PTSD from writing exams in university.
OMG thank you for putting that in words
We had seats in college with tables attached that folded down similar to that.
Touker 'Textiles Outsourcing Office-Space-in-London Doesn't-get-out-of-bed-for-2%' Suleyman
I think this is good for school canteen, children at home, office canteen etc..
BBC, the description is wrong. It has the name of a different entrepreneur pitch, not this one.
Sara’s due with all respect! Deborah hates that!
I’m pretty sure Sara would have given the 10k for a 20% stake, either right away or scaling back to 20% after she’d had her money back if they’d simply asked her politely...I always cringe when I see equity given away so easily and without a fight like that 🙄
Yeah but don't forget the business hasn't even started trading yet so she is only investing in an idea. Also if she makes it happen and gets the price of the manufacturing right down then she's wrll worth her shares
Nothing like this in the market? Aint this the same thing u used to sit on in exams and shit
yeah
I think this guy is selling the retro-fit version though.
So he's specifically targeting old ppl who need an armchair fitted lol.
Why did they not ask about patents? Surely this can be replicated by anyone
mike white there are patents on it. This was edited out of the final cut
@@fliptoptable you guys were nothing short of fantastic. I sincerely wish you all the best in the future x
Asif Farooqui thank you so much.
One of the best yet. Fantastic stuff!
HELLO Peter - wear and tear, in 3 years many will need replacing 🙄 and it’s not just care homes. Both sets of my grandparents would want one of these - each (4). My mum would too. Peter is being too narrow minded
Isnt this how some airline stowaway trays work? Is it application in care home sector?
Aaron or a school table desk
It would be a great product overall. I can see alot of uses for it outside of retirement homes.
Touker has got the Least Amount of Offers Accepted By Entrepreneurs in the Den 😂
It's clear that the manufacturing cost was not an actual issue in their pricing...
Shout out from Sri Lanka 😊
The lower the evaluation, the more “sensible”
lol
Booster la libido
Likeable people always win.
Why did no one point out that the massive metal lump on top will do a lot more damage to a resident than something that is moved when not in use
We use this in our care home. The metal top is rounded and very smooth. Hasn’t hurt anyone. It’s quite safe. Actually the other tables are quite dangerous simply because they can’t be put away and clients trip over them.
The guys went on from this to create Jenga Go, a new twist on a beloved past time.
you could ask for £5000 for 50% of the company and they'd still ask for 75% lol. It literally doesnt matter what you ask for they will get another 20-30% out of you
8:15 ohhh there it is the T.S offices
Really nice design. Would honestly buy myself xD. Also love that these guys are so caring, never know when something like this can happen to you so its reassuring to see people like this who actually care for people in need
This is not only useful in care homes
Agree 10% is not enough equity to interest a dragon but why don’t they offer 25k for 25%. To not devalue the business. Or is that not allowed.
"I have already made an offer this season so I'm out" - Jenny
Sara Davis is a real peoples person.. "Sara If your reading this, i would like to buy you a drink".
Flimsy table, no edge strips stopping people with poor eye sight knocking their hot tea on themselves. Release is ontop is it? When people rest their hand on top as they lean over to get up they release the table with hot tea ontop?
Just interested to know your solution for stopping people with poor eyesight knocking hot tea on themselves. What kind of edge strips could possibly stop that from happenning? (I guess you're not planning on them reaching the ceiling)
@@albo181they show a typical example in the video. It stops the drink sliding off the edge. The lip has a tasctile feed back, if it is over the lip it is on the table. If no edge a blind person could put it down with one hand only putting one half on the table without realisingm ore easily than with a lip. With a lip spilt liquid doesnt go everywhere. Plates dont slip off the edge so easily
No that’s not how it works. These are designed for the care industry. You’d have to run a pretty awful care home if you allow a blind person unsupervised with a hot cup of tea. Especially if they have dementia.
The same risk applies to normal tables. They have no lip either. Are blind people not allowed to use them.
Yes thats how it works. Thats the exact table they showed a table I have seen in various homes myself. lots pf people are legally blind
They shouldn't limit themselves to care homes. This product has a bigger market. I'd buy it, it can even double as a laptop desk
I want one to eat dinner infront of TV
They couldn’t have asked them to make a joint offer
Touker Suleyman has no poker face 🤣
Should’ve tried to get both to go in together
The wife is full of excitement
Sara is a real gem. Beautiful inside and out!
Peter is straightforward and right dragon
Jenny cammbell beerly made any investments but Sarah Davies has made soooooo many it just makes the show like75% better
Sell to it households it has massive potential tv dinners etc
Loved this episode great invention amazing people❤️
How was that in any way an ‘emotional bidding war’? Great click bait, BBC
Well done Sarah !!
It a problem IG they can't remember how to use it
why do i like this better than Shark Tank? from Michigan
Because it's a better show Americans are mongols
@@Ryanjoned163 you do realize mongols are decent human beings ..