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I know you may not see this Ed, but I havr a question. Also im so greatful for what you do/promote. I am vegan, i grew up on a cattle ranch, i switched for health and i have studied plant base nutrition, its my career path when i leave the american navy. I find that sometimes the morality animal rights perspective can be harder to show/convince people with. I am wondering is there a reason that the majority of your debates are based on the animal suffering perspective and not as much the health and enviornmental perspective? I do think the animal perspective is very important, my question derives just out of curiousity. Thank you!
Hi Ed, Love what you're doing. did you know that for humans to have milk, cows have to give birth to infants? Most of the male calves must be slaughtered for the farm to maintain economically...
I appreciate you saying that fish pulled out of the water that fast can cause problems to their organs because most people defend catch and release. I think catch and release fishing is even worse than regular fishing. But I didnt know that fact thanks.
Objectively, you are a massive hypocrite. You own a cell phone, laptop, clothes , etc all made in sweatshops using what is akin to slave labor where suicide rates are horrific.
Maybe it’s because we live in a time where no one has any but it’s not that miraculous people I keep seeing people like oh my God it’s all music his patients it’s actually quite average and normal. I should just say normal I suppose or it should be maybe not average in today’s society and that’s a sad thing
It's so stressful watching that man and woman feeding of each others illogical points and not taking in what Ed is saying. Well done Ed, your a f*&£ing legend!!
Only reason those people kept on going with thier logic is because when one was arguing they would look at each other and the one that wasn't arguing would give them a head nod as if what they were saying was correct reassuring them that they are not in the wrong when they obviously were
@@burl123 wow.. what a nationalistic and close-minded comment. You wouldn't happend do be an creationist as well? Do you really think your forefathers fought so you could rape and exploit animals or support an industry doing so? Whether you accknowledge it or not the dairy industry causes tremendous suffering to the cows and is a big contributer to climate change. If people still want to drink this rape milk and support this horrendous industry they should have a damn good reason for it, and that is what Ed is trying to get from them, which he don't by the way. At no point in this video does he loose an argument. If you really think that you should see more of his videos or have a talk with him yourself. Don't get stuck in the past, man..
*punches them in the face until they pass out* "sorry my worldview is different from yours. I don't FEEL you're suffering. I have different values for things"
"I don't see us as animals". Ed, I will always admire your patience. I couldnt have debated with someone that ignorant who refuses any point proven by science. Keep up the good work and thanks for being on the frontline!
I'm getting tired of all this thinking, ow my head! Why can't we just behave normal and move on with our lives!!!? (and no, I'm not against any choices, I'm just stating fact, eat meat if you want, argue if you want, be vegan if you want, to me it's not an issue!)
Charles Fraunhofer Ah, the good ol' annoying af fence sitter. Too much of a coward to speak up when he sees something as being morally reprehensible. I assume that you wouldn't have taken a side either when abolitionists came around to put an end to slavery. You would have said, "own a slave if you want, or don't own one if you don't want to. It's not an issue and it is merely a personal choice. Why argue over it?!"
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 That's what you think, I'm against the serving of meat to everyone, and being a coward is against my code of manliness, that automatically means I have fortitude. I won't even make coffee for you because it has dairy in it, and yes I'm the kind of vegan that protests, and I'm fierce, and angry.
@The Horny Vegan's Little Brother They're creationists, very special people who tend to live on the right side of the political spectrum and the wrong side of history. Also, hi, greetings from a country with a lot of free services available to citizens, we magically made it work, but somehow I'm not a millionaire so pls send instructions on how to do that.
That girl and boy were so frustrating! You can tell they went into that very close minded hense why all she was doing was trying to point out “mistakes” in Ed’s wording (which there never was) instead of listening to the actual debate
I heard a Ted talk a while back about listening to your opponents argument. One thing I will never forget is the women's description of HOW she was hearing them. "I wasn't listening, I was anticipating." Looking for those gotcha moments, being quick to point out flaws, these things are so counterproductive, and leave you missing to substance of the conversation.
It is interesting how we can spot same technique you describe the couple uses within vegans. As a vegan myself I did exactly the same thing of pointing out flaws and not listening to non vegans in the beginning of my journey. Learned a lot about empathy since. It is so great to see how Ed has learned to listen and to accept other people have different live stories that lead them to their believes. He always seems to give others the feeling their opinion is valid in existing and then challenges them to see if that opinion is in line with their other believes or challenges them to see something valuable in trying to change their opinion.
@@lilvegan Exactly. You could tell she was just waiting for a pause to strike. She needlessly disrupted his argument as a substitution for irrational retort--over and over again...
Have you ever seen a cow moaning after her calf? I have and let me tell you it doesn't look that serious, they'll accept the fact that the calf stayed behind when she was placed back to live her life and soon forgot about the whole fucking thing. They dont even recognize their children when they meet again about two years later. And may I add that calves get enough to drink and all cows are really content, lazy looking animals that they are and the forced impregnation aint exactly true because they can only be pregnated when they are horny and then they want someone to stuff a semen in them, I could continue correcting this vegan propaganga to you about cows all day long.
@@htg989 Cows don't remember the face of their 1 day old children 2 years later when they are grown up. Who would have fucking guessed? That doesn't make dairy any less cruel, cretin.
In the future our species will look back at people like Ed and recognise them as the catalysts that bought about change. I hope to see a vegan majority before I die.
(1) How do you get vitamin B12? (2) Why are you allowed to kill all other lifeforms on this planet except a single subgroup you arbitrary define by some anthropomorphise sense of "feeling"s and pain?
active285 (1) there are non dairy milks and such that can be fortified with b12 and nutritional yeast (2) morally if you NEED b12 than you can justify eating a small portion of meat (3) human only need a small about and can store it in their body’s for long periods of time (4) over all we can survive almost 100% on plant based food products
active285 and it’s not that you can kill other life forms, it’s that we aren’t going to ignore the suffering and the tour meant those domesticated animals go through, it’s the same reason we can’t kill humans, because we can sympathize and have empathy for them in the way we do animals, animals have their own experience and consciousness, animals have feeling and morality, I understand not wanting to give up the pleasure that comes with eating meat but the way they treat these animals isn’t okay and it’s our job as humans to be better and better along the way
@@active285 the way we get B12 or at least used to is actually from bacteria. There's a type of bacteria in things like dirt and mud that make B12. In olden days before herbicides and fungicides and before we washed everything so well, we used to eat small trace amounts of dirt which contained bacteria giving us B12. This is how cows used to get it as well. Now with all our chemical use such as herbicides and washing of food before eating it super well those bacteria die and just don't get eaten by us or cows. In conventional factory farming cows and animals are themselves given B12 supplements. So why use the animal as the middle man of a suppliment when I can just take a B12 supplement or eat nutritional yeast as said before.
@@musa_01m She said isnt not vegan. Its a double negative, she is saying it is vegan, she could have written it much more simply, yes, but if you actually read it carefully, it says it is vegan.
Oh man, that guy in the gray shirt and the woman are incredibly annoying. They didn’t listen to a word, kept speaking over Ed, and made ZERO sense. Yikes.
jhunt5578 and what’s wrong with being a creationist? And Haley, they made zero sense to YOU. They were just as “annoying” as Ed, expressing their views. Fuck, whatever happened to free of speech?!
@@quinnxeni9052 They were annoying because they were not even listening to Ed answer every point they brought up. They kept saying it was a different world view. There is not a different world view when it is measurable with equipment, the physiological effect of emotive response to stress and pain, and to the effects of animal agriculture upon the environment. It is all measurable, quantifiable, and not truly justifiable just as history shows that neo liberalism is not justifiable and has indeed, damaged our society and our planet. (The subject of animal rights and neo liberalism are quite related, actually). There is nothing wrong with being a creationist. And though yes, it was dismissive, and perhaps not the most appropriate reaction, to assume that a creationist is less intelligent than one who is not, it is an understandable position when it is a stereotype due to visible examples and anecdotal examples of creationists also being closed minded, hurtful, and for having views based only upon a dogma rather than introspection or otherwise questioning. It is tiring to come up against that dogma. In my personal experience, with family, it feels like talking to a wall. It once took 3 hours for my mother to finally concede that contraception should be acceptable as a way to avoid pregnancy, because she just kept repeating dogmatic phraseology, wasn't Hearing my words, rather than even having a thoughtful conversation regarding her beliefs. Who has 3 hours with every person they speak with, to break through the dogma to the actual person's philosophical thoughts? I don't know how many videos of Ed's you've seen but he is very caring and patient, is present and listens to people. Yes, he has an agenda, I have an agenda, we do, and ours is to make much less suffering, and to heal the planet and to care for all of its inhabitants as they need in order to thrive. In this vid, maybe you've seen it, he listens to an angry man speaking to the truth about people not caring about black people being murdered by police and racism in general; th-cam.com/video/ZXu74W8A8BQ/w-d-xo.html
To be rich you have to be sociopath and not care on others (scientifically proven fact)=Your kids likely to be deprived of love and emotions=Kids grow up selfish=Daddy pays for education because they only care about power=They come into positions of control in society and become just another brick in the wall=Assholes like this bother animals and Ed.
You should! You should try veganism regardless of how patient other vegans are. You can be a vegan without interacting with them at all. This is about the animals, not the people.
Being Vegan definitely is a good choice. And once you get used to it, it's really easy. It's also helpful to get closer to the Vegan community it gets even easier. Sending you all the support 🌱💚
Michele Mustafa I noticed that too. Everyone else looks stressed and miserable. And that guy and his idiot girlfriend were real pieces of work. So condescending. Funny, I always heard vegans were condescending.. hmm
Josef Hlava good point. if meat eaters where at place that’s mostly vegan saying eating animals is okay im sure vegans wouldn’t be smiling and that one meat eater they see would be the happy nice one
Haha no, the point is that I agree with what he’s saying and it gives great basis to back up a choice I’ve already made based on other factors I’ve already educated myself on. If u don’t agree that’s fine, but I find his points very convincing
Same here. I think it’s an art lol. I would’ve punched him long ago! That’s why these conversations are best left to the ones who can handle it. I think of myself as more of a behind the scenes activist (supporting them financially, signing petitions, etc)
Don't worry, the more videos you watch and the more information you gain the better you get at these arguments. Not sure if online arguments are effective but I tend to participate in them for the time being (given the pandemic, and "practicing" for real life arguments later on). We will succeed!
It's important to understand the topic very well. Not just understanding your own perspective, but understanding the perspective of those you are talking to. The trick to effective argumentation is understanding the road map between their perspective and yours, so that you can effectively navigate them along that path through discussion. Sometimes people will have strong emotional barriers and will actively resist accepting a particular point or points, which is totally normal, but hard to deal with in the moment. I think that is where arguing is most difficult.
@@cantstanddra9186 hahaha bruh So true I also want to talk and spread awareness about veganism but there’s nothing that gets me more angry than meat eaters arguments. I would have punch that guy in the face at the exact moment he points his finger at me. So behinds the scenes activist sounds good enough 😂😂
@@MauriceTarantulas They're not very bright because they could barely form coherent sentences. If you realized how often vegan activists hear the same shit, you'd question people's intelligence too. They're arguing in favour of animal cruelty and hardly coming up with any sort of valid justification. If you think vegans are stupid, then explain what Earthling Ed said that you disagree with, or expand on one of the students' points.
@@ericgeorge145 16:12 her logic falls apart. This shows how much of a "religion" and how far indoctrinated people who grew up on or around farms are. Think about her logic "Slaughter is humane because ... " Then she says it's humane up until slaughter - Ok you just disproved your own point. The she jumbles around that there's no stressors, and when asked if she'd have her dog euthanized at a slaughter house, she diverted the question to the euthanasia processes in a vet and didn't answer the question. They talk about stunning as if it is proven to render the animal unconscious and that they feel no pain but that has never been proven to be true in any study that stunning removes nociception or awareness, and you can see the videos of this happening, the animals are still clearly in pain. I emailed the guy who set up these guidelines for this at HSA and he wasn't able to provide any evidence either to defend their own words. They claim: "Slaughter can be humane if an animal is protected from avoidable excitement, pain or suffering. To achieve this, the animal must be effectively restrained and then stunned, rendering it insensible to pain, and finally bled rapidly and profusely to ensure death before recovery could occur." This statement is self-contradictory as, the pain is in fact avoidable, by not slaughtering animals.
What I learned about Cornell students : 1. They love to talk in length about things they don't understand 2. They confuse facts with opinion 3. They assume a lot. 4. They fall for every fallacy in the book. 5. They love listening to themselves talking.
@@esbernjakobsen2955 oh someones butt hurt.. no, that's not what he's saying. In the grand scheme of things, the point is that even the people who walk around with their ego shoved up their ass because they go to Cornell, or Harvard, or Yale, are still very uneducated to the realities of the REAL world. These people are not special. They're regular humans who like many others, are oblivious to the horrific nature of the meat and dairy industry. In that sense, Ed will give you more of an education than any bullshit college ever could. and the best part is, learning about veganism and animal agriculture isn't going to cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. best of luck to you and your lack of intellect.
To be fair, that girl had a perfectly logical and respectful discussion with Ed though. Like Ed has pointed it out in multiple occasions when you are raised in a certain way your brain takes some things for granted and you make some logical leaps like the one you mention. Her reason for 'euthanizing' the animal was because she would no longer be able to feed it (she said so in the end). And that's a perfectly good reason to do it (almost as valid as an incurable disease) BUT (according to Ed's response) the problem is exactly that. The way the dairy industry is setup, this outcome is expected and unavoidable.
Yeah & the way she said she might “euthanize” her dog! One of her choices was stunning & letting him bleed out but done “with the utmost respect! Wtfrack!
To be rich you have to be sociopath and not care on others (scientifically proven fact)=Your kids likely to be deprived of love and emotions=Kids grow up selfish=Daddy pays for education because they only care about power=They come into positions of control in society and become just another brick in the wall=Assholes like this bother animals and Ed.
Jaskaran Diu Scariliy he believes what he is saying. You could take him to a slaughterhouse and he would category say ‘ I don’t see suffering’. He has no soul.
Vegan For The Animals Ⓥ the arrogance was incredible. Truly insufferable. That whole personality of humans being so great, despite the fact that we’re the only animal (yes, animal) that would benefit every other species if we all disappeared, drives me insane. We aren’t special just because we have cell phones (made from exploitation of Asian countries) and cars (which trash the environment and cause mass climate change). Like who the fuck are we to think we’re so great? Fuck that guy.
Hes was saying a lot of words dancing around the fact that he just wants to do whatever the hell he wants... Even if it causes suffering ... Without anyone hasseling him to make more educated choices..
yeh like spraying your crops with pesticide and shooting/trapping any other "pests" who try to eat them and then wrapping them in plastic and flying them across the world instead of just eating some local grass feed beef
Not interesting but rather painful and cause disgust against humanity. I mean, look at that idiot trying to justify murder, it just disgusts me, nothing interesting about that guy and his butler. Oh I meant buttlicker.
colleges are filled with mostly zombies. Ive seen how many people are playing the system and get perks or get in for no reason other then connections and money.
@@swaggyjones9875 no actually i tested out before they even gave me them and got perfect scores all the way through school on everything including the separate tests all alone as a little kid showing i was above by 4 grades and they monitored me all my life cuz of how smart i am. Vegan powers bro.
@Bartender Plus designed is a charged word, I'm not convinced we were designed. You're also appealing to nature as inherently virtuous as a reason for me to accept your argument that we should be vegan on the grounds that we are built to eat both plants and meat. Nature is not inherently virtuous. Just because we have the ability to eat meat, that doesn't necessitate that we ought to do it. You're deriving an ought from an is. It's fallacious. This isn't good enough, we can live healthy long lives, longer, actually, by switching over to plant based alternatives. But even the health argument isn't enough to morally justify the exploitation, killing and even torture, of animals. Labelling my position as vegan logic does nothing to advance an actual argument and is merely an attempt at ridiculing the position to make it appear weaker than it really is, I suspect, deliberately as a way of easing your own conscience so you can continue to bend over backwards to justify the absolutely abhorrent way we treat animals for the sake of sensory pleasure. Evolutionarily speaking, it made sense that early humans required meat, our developing brains meant we needed a source of high calorie, high protein food to fuel our development. This makes sense in an environment where food is scarce and difficult to obtain. Foraging for plants and berries and nuts provided us with nowhere near the nutrition we required, however in the modern day with supermarkets and mass agriculture, we live in an enormously palatable and hyper calorie dense food market, calories and availability of the nutrition that we require are no longer a problem in developed nations, the issue of malnutrition is still an issue of course, one that we do have the ability to solve, unfortunately, nobody actually wants to solve the issue because nobody is prepared to do what is necessary to solve it, making all kinds of justifications for it. For example, humans produce enough food to feed the entire world numerous times over, but much of this food goes into producing animal feed, which is an inefficient process, given that it takes so much food and water to produce a kilogram of meat. Overall I can't see any reasonable justification for eating meat over plant based alternatives. Health based claims dont hold up to scrutiny, moral claims dont hold up to scrutiny, economic ones. It would be irrational of me to eat meat over plant based alternatives.
@@angelaramirez8109 Because many Christians are creationists and believe all life was created by God rather than by process of evolution by natural selection. Ed knew the guy was a Christian fairly easily based on his reaction to Ed mentioning the word evolution.
No...She is trying to justify her choices...i dont understand where is the hard part to say 'Yes this is wrong im going to change' i am a teenager and i live with my parents in a country that eat a lot of meat and i am vegan...why adults are so ignorant and annoying? Like change and we are all good...
And she said they live comfortably up until they are slaughtered... Which i know for a fact shes never seen inside of a slaughterhouse with that statement
From what I heard, Ed was asking something like "So all this stuff you thought about before?" She said "And vegan" meaning she thought about going vegan?
@@magicpigeon_ That's incredible! Which specific videos made you go vegan? For me it was Ed's famous speech ("You will never look at your life in the same way again - eye-opening speech") and Joey's "Police interrogation backfires", that got me on track. Before that, an austrian tv documentary about the dairy industry.
Vegan über Nacht I’m not really sure just all of it I guess and I just realized that I agreed with what they were saying and not the other side so I switched to their side you know?
@@magicpigeon_ Yeah of course, it's the overall view you get from watching different videos. I actually meant, that this specific two videos were the first I saw from them and made me then watch more. It was the same with me, I agreed with all the points they made and then thought "Well, what's actually holding me back?"
excuse me - I'm "creationist" and gone Vegan mY God didn't create animals with families & friends, feelings evidenced by nerve endings for them to be products for us to use. but mY God instead created *_vegetables_* for that exact purpose. and Truth is self evident ! 💖
Finally turned vegan on sunday after nearly a year of living vegetarian. I've never felt so confident in any of my life decisions up to this point seeing this student arguing against logic and common sense. Thank you for representing the animals, Ed!
jøker I passed my last blood test perfectly and I’m vegan. It’s not too hard as long as you balance your meals, and use cronometer. com for your first month or so to get a feel for things.
@@zain4019 I never said it's impossible to live on a vegan diet but it is way harder and doesn't bring that many benefits. Actually tge only benefit it brings is a false mental security that makes you belive that you do something important.
jøker I’ve thought about that, too. But the sense that what you do is pointless, futile, a drop in the bucket- if we all lived like that, believing our impact is minimal and did nothing to change what was wrong, we would all suffer. But if we all realized the potential and capability for good of our actions, our words, even our thoughts, then what sort of world would we have? I’d like the second world better. It’s kinder, more compassionate, more brave. And even if I’m the only one making that world a reality, it’s still a better world than where every single human, including me, chooses not to believe in their capacity to change and their capacity for good, and instead wearily accepts defeat without hope of a better world.
deborah rabbit white by definition there aren’t. The theory of evolution does not allow the possibility that man or fish or any other animal was put into this earth. All evolved from organisms that were not the birds of the air or the fish of the sea.
@@maurisha8867 notice how earthling ed ' s response to anything negative about veganism is " veganism isn't perfect"...yeah no shit...basically he only cares about what he considers to be "immoral"
Lol your obvious annoyed sigh at 11:10 just shows how hard it is even for you to listen to meat eaters always repeating the same unjustified bs over and over again, yet you still manage to stay calm and reasonable. You're doing great work Ed, thank you! 🌱
@@zain4019 have seen it many times. Never seen cruelty or torture while killing the animal, non every farm is like the ones you see on the internet. Killing an animal doesn't mean you don't care for it
They obviously believe they are in the right. The guy keeps saying "again" in that tone, because to him Ed is the one that cannot comprehend his "arguments".
They threw everything nefarious and pernicious onto Ed by way of points to trip him up - but, instead , boy did that couple make an absolute arse of themselves with utter conviction. Well done Ed.
Utter conviction, hmmm. We didn't hear the end of the couple's conversation because it was cut. Why, well maybe because he was losing the argument. Ed is a master of supercuts, deceiving his audience by pushing propaganda. Everytime he begins to lose the argument and his points are countered, he cuts it from the video.
@@thebestofenergy I am not speaking about conspiracies, its facts. You are proof that Ed has successfully brainwash your naive sense of self. There are way more important things to do in this life than trying to argue with ppl like you. Go online and seriously start looking into what veganism actually is. If you truly look into it, you will find that veganism is not as glamorous as it seems, veganism goes against the natural order and hides itself behind a veil of hypocrisy. This is the reason why young people make up the majority of vegans, im only 19 but i am glad that i did my research unlike many vegans who only see the surface. Veganism targets the young naive population with a weak moral compass who are used to think based on what they are told rather than thinking for themselves. Veganism is a satanic conspiracy against what God has intended for the world to be, it is unnatural dont you get it nor does it make the world better. DO YOUR RESEARCH AND THINK FOR YOURSELF, DONT BE NAIVE.
@@RoryCresswell-nb1yu I have stopped, the anti vegan phase is gone. I realise that i was too invested in stripping down the deceptive veil of veganism which is really nothing compared to other issues in life where there are far more at stake. Sorry but veganism is a useless ideology which distracts you from real problems and turns you into a cynical and pessimistic person. Waste of time.
@@jker4592 What points did he have in your eyes, I'm curious. All I saw was him denying studies and dancing around arguments and keywords to pretend that suffering doesn't happen.
@@jker4592 You can Google studies done on cows for their intelligence, where they show and prove that they have a complex memory and emotional intelligence, and you can also look up studies where they show the psychological distress of animal agriculture animals. The guy's only rebuttal to these objective facts are "uhh not from my perspective." Okay, if you can disprove these studies and the scientists, sure, but you can't and neither can he. Also, yes buying meat is what causes the murder/killing of animals. It's simple supply and demand. If people stopped eating meat, animals would stop being killed. By that logic, if I hire someone to kill someone, then I'm not responsible. It doesn't work that way.
I just want to say Ed, I really appreciate what you're doing here, because I sure as hell would not be able to do this. Hearing the same arguments over and over would frustrate me so much but you seem to have the patience of a saint. Thanks for doing this, from me and all the animals you're helping with this Much love from the Netherlands, keep up the good work
I was vegetarian for quite a long time, but for some reason I didn't fully understand why I needed to go vegan. Your channel, videos made me realize everything about milk industry, farms. I'm more than thankful to you. You are doing so much for the planet, animals and people, you don't even realize that. Thank you for opening my eyes.
The sad fact is that these 2 people are showing sociopathic tendencies. They don't feel anything. At all. And that's what this argument is. They don't understand or care about the cows suffering.
So when you eat vegetables/fruits etc do you feel for the poor slave who picked them up? Do you feel for the millions of insects and rodents that your crops killed? Lol gtfo
Yes you can care for both. Neither deserve to suffer. What is your point? Your problem is you have no empathy, (something even an infant or say a 12 year old might have). You're here to stir, and you can take your spoon and stick it up where the sun don't shine. @Dennis
Just what Gary Yourovsky said: You can't base your behaviors on other animals. Wow.....a creationist...."This is all for me. I'm the special one and possess indefinite worth" Low game logic and critical thinking skills
@@80slimshadys Religion is a belief and there are no hard facts as to what actually happened. Religion can teach people good and/or bad moral upon which to build an ethical structure. It's funny how the fear of God is still used in courts "Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God" Ugh (nose bridge pinch)
Mirry to see what this was about I don't care if someone's vegan but I hate when you have those vegans that want the majority or everyone to be vegan it's incredibly stupid
Schools need some sort of nutritional elective, in my opinion. A lot of people argue that vegans don’t receive the same nutrients that carnivores receive, but it’s not true, and there really should be some kind of program in schools to explain why, if students choose to attend.
Because politics/money. There are billions of dollars invested in the dairy and meat industry that these investors do not want to teach us the benefits of veganism. These people are the same people that says meat and dairy are healthy to us and continue to spread these lies by making fake studies.
Rosa Marie Between Plants both land and sea, and legumes you can get - Vitamin A Vitamin B Vitamin C Vitamin D Vitamin K Zinc Magnesium Calcium Protein Potassium Riboflavin Thiamin Biotin Folate Omega 3 Omega 6 Sodium (obviously) Manganese And even in some cases B12. B12 comes from bacteria and humans naturally make it. But our bodies do not absorb it so it goes through our intestines and exits in our poop. Some civilizations have used that poop to grow crops that are rich in B12. Bet you didn’t know that....
I hugely admire the way this guy goes around preaching veganism fearlessly, calmly without ever losing his cool. he is doing a great service to all of us living on this planet.
I am impressed how you can have a similar conversation with different people again and again for years and years and still listen and curve questions relevant for the person in front of you and still have the patience to explain the same things in a friendly tone. Man with a cause. Well done.
I am basing my decision on facts. There are people who aren’t self aware. Should we eat them too? What about cats? Should we eat cats? They don’t show self awareness in the mirror test. Whether self aware or not they experience suffering. They feel pain. I choose for my food to be free of pain & suffering.
Bartender Plus I do not have to believe that animals are equal to humans to not want to cause their suffering. You talk of ignorance but you are spewing it. Humans absolutely have everything they need to digest plants. I’m sure you never fart. 😂Yes I’m aware there are carnivorous plants although I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. It seems like I touched a nerve. Justify yourself however you see fit. I choose kindness.
sometimes before a discussion i wanna say please listen to understand and not to argue. because you could literally see the two not letting a thing in their minds and just defensively saying whatever. whenever ed said something they didnt anticipate theyd be like how did climate change come here
creepily, I had a dream where I met you yesterday and was so glad and all I wanted to do was express my gratitude for showing such a logical, caring side to veganism. I'm a vegetarian and trying to transition to veganism and you are the most convincing and most interesting person to listen to. Thanks so much for all you do!!
“What use are eyes when the Heart is BLIND” The cognitive dissonance is so strong in these university students their excuses in choosing to BE Animal Abusers are simply 🤦🏻♀️
That guy is a perfect example of a situation where you just have to realize that your time is better spent talking to someone else. Some people are simply not interested in changing their beliefs.
I'm so glad that I have this level of patience when discussing this topic. I plan on being an advocate for animals, and I feel one day, with all of us, it'll bring a positive change.
Ed, you are an absolute inspiration! I'm going on 3 years of being vegan and I don't ever regret my decision. I've always been an animal lover, but unfortunately, it took me until I was 19 to make the connection that my actions should be aligned with my morals. Thank you for continuing to inspire vegans and non-vegans alike and for having amazing patience with people who truly cannot see the bigger picture!
It is so refreshing to see people on the internet calmly talking and exchanging their differing views, especially when he sat down with this girl from a dairy farm. Most channels are about gearing up controversy, calling out people, who have different opinions and being disrespectful to others. Ed is so different in his approach and I applaud him for that. PS: I'm not vegan!
Ed. You're an amazing human. The world needs more people like you. I wish I could meet you once in my life to thank you for all the hard work you put in !
6:30 those two where trying to tell themselves that milk doesn't cause catrostophic events. They want to justified drinking milk because Ed can't show them catrostophic events of drinking milk.
@@georginacarbery1790 I am aware of that and almost added it in my comment but bovines used to thrive in the nature on their own you know and there were a lot of them and still would be if we wouldn't build malls and other useless buildings on their living ground, I mean if we wouldn't have domesticated them before that is. And methane exists in other places than cows guts too and we release it in the air like crazy for stuff we consider more eco friendly
@@strongv460 Bringing millions of people into existence causes that and a LOT of other problems too, isn't the right choice to stop us from reproducing?
I actually cannot imagine talking to people like this, I would get too exasperated and emotional. I really admire Ed’s calm and rationale in these discussions 🌱
That's true but Activism takes time, veganism doesn't. You could put other activities that have a bigger impact than veganism like some big science breakthrough related stuff.
Fabio119 I encourage you to examine some peer-reviewed research. You don’t have to listen to vegans at all, but revered scientific facts can’t exactly be disputed.
Mihawk D. Yonko I’m exited for your next science breakthrough! Anyone can go to animal rights events, but only a real genius like Mikhawk D. Yonko can solve our worlds problems with a baking-soda volcano. Activism literally means getting off ones ass.
Fabio119 watch Bart Kay who is a scientist in the field of nutrition who has a TH-cam channel where he tears apart veganism especially Hench Herbivore it’s highly entertaining!!
@@MauriceTarantulas yes I see your point, very philosophical of you. I wish there were more people that brought such value to conversations like you do....cough
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I know you may not see this Ed, but I havr a question. Also im so greatful for what you do/promote. I am vegan, i grew up on a cattle ranch, i switched for health and i have studied plant base nutrition, its my career path when i leave the american navy. I find that sometimes the morality animal rights perspective can be harder to show/convince people with. I am wondering is there a reason that the majority of your debates are based on the animal suffering perspective and not as much the health and enviornmental perspective? I do think the animal perspective is very important, my question derives just out of curiousity.
Thank you!
Hi Ed, Love what you're doing. did you know that for humans to have milk, cows have to give birth to infants? Most of the male calves must be slaughtered for the farm to maintain economically...
I appreciate you saying that fish pulled out of the water that fast can cause problems to their organs because most people defend catch and release. I think catch and release fishing is even worse than regular fishing. But I didnt know that fact thanks.
Objectively, you are a massive hypocrite. You own a cell phone, laptop, clothes , etc all made in sweatshops using what is akin to slave labor where suicide rates are horrific.
When you look up "patience" in the dictionary, there is a photograph of Ed.
Facts. It’s annoying when he gets cut off😆
Maybe it’s because we live in a time where no one has any but it’s not that miraculous people I keep seeing people like oh my God it’s all music his patients it’s actually quite average and normal. I should just say normal I suppose or it should be maybe not average in today’s society and that’s a sad thing
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This made me laugh haaa
👌🏻👌🏻😂
It's so stressful watching that man and woman feeding of each others illogical points and not taking in what Ed is saying. Well done Ed, your a f*&£ing legend!!
Only reason those people kept on going with thier logic is because when one was arguing they would look at each other and the one that wasn't arguing would give them a head nod as if what they were saying was correct reassuring them that they are not in the wrong when they obviously were
@@burl123 lmfao
@@burl123 wow.. what a nationalistic and close-minded comment. You wouldn't happend do be an creationist as well? Do you really think your forefathers fought so you could rape and exploit animals or support an industry doing so? Whether you accknowledge it or not the dairy industry causes tremendous suffering to the cows and is a big contributer to climate change. If people still want to drink this rape milk and support this horrendous industry they should have a damn good reason for it, and that is what Ed is trying to get from them, which he don't by the way. At no point in this video does he loose an argument. If you really think that you should see more of his videos or have a talk with him yourself. Don't get stuck in the past, man..
@@GbergStacks Exactly!!! They were reaffirming each other's nonsense, even before they'd speak it.
@@burl123 That is exactly what i was thinking, this whole channel is vegan propaganda.
Cow: Cries in distress when her baby is taken away
Guy: I don't view that as suffering
What would your view be if someone was taking away your children.
Every human every animal who gives birth have mothering intstincts.
@@Anti-Peaceforcepolice exactly
My dad raises beef cattle. The cows and calves are in unmistakable distress when they are weaned.
The ironic thing is that guy was hella religious and he'd probably say atheists are immoral 🤣
@@roryleal6473 he also asks for tangible proof, why doesn't he ask that to his god 😂
*punches them in the face until they pass out* "sorry my worldview is different from yours. I don't FEEL you're suffering. I have different values for things"
Yes
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Lol, he's basically justifying objective morality with a subjective opinion of how he views the world.
No vegan is punching people in the face lmfao
@@ManLikeChesh verbal judo is where it's at
"I don't see us as animals". Ed, I will always admire your patience. I couldnt have debated with someone that ignorant who refuses any point proven by science. Keep up the good work and thanks for being on the frontline!
Patience of a saint !
Yeh he was in no rush to report animal abuse when he has a film to promote.
Even Ed had to breathe out talking to them.
@@LiveLoveSour He is the Vegan Jesus
Shows you the intelligence level of that guy. It doesn't matter what he "sees". It is what it is. We are animals! Spoiled.
The only thing i regret about going vegan is that it took me so long 🌱
then don't.
Same.
@@tissue869 that would me worse u dumass
Me too.
Same
That guy who thinks his opinion trumps the scientific findings of Oxford and the UN was HILARIOUS.
It’s disgusting that people believe the U.N. is a credible source
@@jimlang8281 oxford doe sounds legit to me just saying
I'm getting tired of all this thinking, ow my head! Why can't we just behave normal and move on with our lives!!!? (and no, I'm not against any choices, I'm just stating fact, eat meat if you want, argue if you want, be vegan if you want, to me it's not an issue!)
Charles Fraunhofer
Ah, the good ol' annoying af fence sitter. Too much of a coward to speak up when he sees something as being morally reprehensible.
I assume that you wouldn't have taken a side either when abolitionists came around to put an end to slavery. You would have said, "own a slave if you want, or don't own one if you don't want to. It's not an issue and it is merely a personal choice. Why argue over it?!"
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 That's what you think, I'm against the serving of meat to everyone, and being a coward is against my code of manliness, that automatically means I have fortitude. I won't even make coffee for you because it has dairy in it, and yes I'm the kind of vegan that protests, and I'm fierce, and angry.
that couple is cringy
@The Horny Vegan's Little Brother nah theymost likely voted for Trump.
@The Horny Vegan's Little Brother that made no sense.
@The Horny Vegan's Little Brother
Free like using public funded services provided by fire fighters, police, roads, and schools?
Crazy, right?
Dumbass.
@The Horny Vegan's Little Brother They're creationists, very special people who tend to live on the right side of the political spectrum and the wrong side of history. Also, hi, greetings from a country with a lot of free services available to citizens, we magically made it work, but somehow I'm not a millionaire so pls send instructions on how to do that.
Oh I thought maybe that was her dad 😂
The guy wants tangible evidence for global warming but his feeling that cows don't suffer is good enough, lol.
@Bartender Plus by?
@Bartender Plus who else?
Bartender Plus source?
Bartender Plus Im only concerned with worldwide scientific concensus.
@Bartender Plus How does it work?
That girl and boy were so frustrating! You can tell they went into that very close minded hense why all she was doing was trying to point out “mistakes” in Ed’s wording (which there never was) instead of listening to the actual debate
I heard a Ted talk a while back about listening to your opponents argument. One thing I will never forget is the women's description of HOW she was hearing them.
"I wasn't listening, I was anticipating."
Looking for those gotcha moments, being quick to point out flaws, these things are so counterproductive, and leave you missing to substance of the conversation.
Rio Dwyer so true!
The video where he tries to talk to Texas rodeo fans is the worst.
It is interesting how we can spot same technique you describe the couple uses within vegans. As a vegan myself I did exactly the same thing of pointing out flaws and not listening to non vegans in the beginning of my journey. Learned a lot about empathy since. It is so great to see how Ed has learned to listen and to accept other people have different live stories that lead them to their believes. He always seems to give others the feeling their opinion is valid in existing and then challenges them to see if that opinion is in line with their other believes or challenges them to see something valuable in trying to change their opinion.
@@lilvegan Exactly. You could tell she was just waiting for a pause to strike. She needlessly disrupted his argument as a substitution for irrational retort--over and over again...
Cows: Suffer horrificly and mourning their kids
Guy: i dOnT fEeL LiKe tHeY'rE sUfFeRiNg
Have you ever seen a cow moaning after her calf?
I have and let me tell you it doesn't look that serious, they'll accept the fact that the calf stayed behind when she was placed back to live her life and soon forgot about the whole fucking thing.
They dont even recognize their children when they meet again about two years later.
And may I add that calves get enough to drink and all cows are really content, lazy looking animals that they are and the forced impregnation aint exactly true because they can only be pregnated when they are horny and then they want someone to stuff a semen in them, I could continue correcting this vegan propaganga to you about cows all day long.
@@htg989 You are a bullshitter, sir, and I do not apologize for the pun.
@@htg989 Cows don't remember the face of their 1 day old children 2 years later when they are grown up. Who would have fucking guessed? That doesn't make dairy any less cruel, cretin.
@@htg989 Would you recognize your children two years after having them stolen away as babies?
@@christopherkinnaird2881 Cows are not humans. You are one funny man.
In the future our species will look back at people like Ed and recognise them as the catalysts that bought about change. I hope to see a vegan majority before I die.
same!!! I my wish is to see at least 50% vegans before I die in prob 50 years
Isn't it great when people try to justify needless pain, suffering, and death to mask their selfish wants?
(1) How do you get vitamin B12? (2) Why are you allowed to kill all other lifeforms on this planet except a single subgroup you arbitrary define by some anthropomorphise sense of "feeling"s and pain?
active285 (1) there are non dairy milks and such that can be fortified with b12 and nutritional yeast (2) morally if you NEED b12 than you can justify eating a small portion of meat (3) human only need a small about and can store it in their body’s for long periods of time (4) over all we can survive almost 100% on plant based food products
active285 and it’s not that you can kill other life forms, it’s that we aren’t going to ignore the suffering and the tour meant those domesticated animals go through, it’s the same reason we can’t kill humans, because we can sympathize and have empathy for them in the way we do animals, animals have their own experience and consciousness, animals have feeling and morality, I understand not wanting to give up the pleasure that comes with eating meat but the way they treat these animals isn’t okay and it’s our job as humans to be better and better along the way
@@active285 the way we get B12 or at least used to is actually from bacteria. There's a type of bacteria in things like dirt and mud that make B12. In olden days before herbicides and fungicides and before we washed everything so well, we used to eat small trace amounts of dirt which contained bacteria giving us B12. This is how cows used to get it as well. Now with all our chemical use such as herbicides and washing of food before eating it super well those bacteria die and just don't get eaten by us or cows. In conventional factory farming cows and animals are themselves given B12 supplements. So why use the animal as the middle man of a suppliment when I can just take a B12 supplement or eat nutritional yeast as said before.
@@kinsale186 duckweeds are a type of small water plants that naturally contain B12. There is no need of any animal products for that.
$55,000 a year to be just another brick in the wall
Well said!
True that
Well said
Pretty much.
Wow that’s original!!....vegan drone.
Meanwhile I’m eating my vegan chicken nuggets with no cruelty involved I feel amazing not missing out a thing
biscuit plastic and cardboard isn’t not vegan
@@uns0ciable4ever and here is another antivegan thta doesnt know what vegan food is lol
@biscuit here is another antivegan that doesnt know what vegan food is and still talks lmao
Cnnn 0 ? Which comment are you referring to?
@@musa_01m She said isnt not vegan. Its a double negative, she is saying it is vegan, she could have written it much more simply, yes, but if you actually read it carefully, it says it is vegan.
Oh man, that guy in the gray shirt and the woman are incredibly annoying. They didn’t listen to a word, kept speaking over Ed, and made ZERO sense. Yikes.
The guy was a creationist... enough said.
jhunt5578 and what’s wrong with being a creationist? And Haley, they made zero sense to YOU. They were just as “annoying” as Ed, expressing their views. Fuck, whatever happened to free of speech?!
@@quinnxeni9052 They were annoying because they were not even listening to Ed answer every point they brought up. They kept saying it was a different world view. There is not a different world view when it is measurable with equipment, the physiological effect of emotive response to stress and pain, and to the effects of animal agriculture upon the environment. It is all measurable, quantifiable, and not truly justifiable just as history shows that neo liberalism is not justifiable and has indeed, damaged our society and our planet. (The subject of animal rights and neo liberalism are quite related, actually).
There is nothing wrong with being a creationist. And though yes, it was dismissive, and perhaps not the most appropriate reaction, to assume that a creationist is less intelligent than one who is not, it is an understandable position when it is a stereotype due to visible examples and anecdotal examples of creationists also being closed minded, hurtful, and for having views based only upon a dogma rather than introspection or otherwise questioning. It is tiring to come up against that dogma.
In my personal experience, with family, it feels like talking to a wall. It once took 3 hours for my mother to finally concede that contraception should be acceptable as a way to avoid pregnancy, because she just kept repeating dogmatic phraseology, wasn't Hearing my words, rather than even having a thoughtful conversation regarding her beliefs. Who has 3 hours with every person they speak with, to break through the dogma to the actual person's philosophical thoughts?
I don't know how many videos of Ed's you've seen but he is very caring and patient, is present and listens to people. Yes, he has an agenda, I have an agenda, we do, and ours is to make much less suffering, and to heal the planet and to care for all of its inhabitants as they need in order to thrive.
In this vid, maybe you've seen it, he listens to an angry man speaking to the truth about people not caring about black people being murdered by police and racism in general; th-cam.com/video/ZXu74W8A8BQ/w-d-xo.html
@@d.rabbitwhite this comment though 👌🙌👏☝️
That's a part of life.
"Never confuse education with intelligence"
'Never confuse education with intelligence' - guy who got rejected from his school of choice
@@swaggyjones9875 like noam chomsky?
@@swaggyjones9875 Like Steve Jobs and bill Gates?
To be rich you have to be sociopath and not care on others (scientifically proven fact)=Your kids likely to be deprived of love and emotions=Kids grow up selfish=Daddy pays for education because they only care about power=They come into positions of control in society and become just another brick in the wall=Assholes like this bother animals and Ed.
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 thats a lot of words to say 'im poor' lmfao
I'm no vegan, but with this man's patient and enthusiastic attitude, I would consider trying out veganism.
you can do it!
Try it, dude... Or dudette, I don't know hehe
You should! You should try veganism regardless of how patient other vegans are. You can be a vegan without interacting with them at all. This is about the animals, not the people.
Being Vegan definitely is a good choice. And once you get used to it, it's really easy. It's also helpful to get closer to the Vegan community it gets even easier. Sending you all the support 🌱💚
Well hey, thanks for stopping by!
"Have you thought of that before?"
"Yeah. I'm vegan."
Best argument against veganism ever. Love it.
Intetesting too because she was the happiest person there, the only one who smiled
Michele Mustafa I noticed that too. Everyone else looks stressed and miserable. And that guy and his idiot girlfriend were real pieces of work. So condescending. Funny, I always heard vegans were condescending.. hmm
Geddy V
No need for name-calling. It doesn’t help our cause.
It is the same reaction when Jehovah's witness meets randomly another person from his cult. No difference.
Josef Hlava good point. if meat eaters where at place that’s mostly vegan saying eating animals is okay im sure vegans wouldn’t be smiling and that one meat eater they see would be the happy nice one
This makes me glad to be vegan cause I know I could never stand up against Ed’s well educated and reasonable arguments
Then get better schooling. That's a very sad thing to admit I could destroy his arguments using about half my brain or less.
Haha no, the point is that I agree with what he’s saying and it gives great basis to back up a choice I’ve already made based on other factors I’ve already educated myself on. If u don’t agree that’s fine, but I find his points very convincing
Arachnophilia Clearly a majority of your brain isn’t being used to begin with.
Charlotte Luse ED is just a idiotic snowflake
@@okjoelx What because I think Veganism is rubbish?
youre so good at this!! I am so bad at arguments , its so difficult.
Same here. I think it’s an art lol. I would’ve punched him long ago! That’s why these conversations are best left to the ones who can handle it. I think of myself as more of a behind the scenes activist (supporting them financially, signing petitions, etc)
Don't worry, the more videos you watch and the more information you gain the better you get at these arguments. Not sure if online arguments are effective but I tend to participate in them for the time being (given the pandemic, and "practicing" for real life arguments later on). We will succeed!
Probably because you see it as an argument, rather than a discussion..
It's important to understand the topic very well. Not just understanding your own perspective, but understanding the perspective of those you are talking to. The trick to effective argumentation is understanding the road map between their perspective and yours, so that you can effectively navigate them along that path through discussion. Sometimes people will have strong emotional barriers and will actively resist accepting a particular point or points, which is totally normal, but hard to deal with in the moment. I think that is where arguing is most difficult.
@@cantstanddra9186 hahaha bruh So true I also want to talk and spread awareness about veganism but there’s nothing that gets me more angry than meat eaters arguments. I would have punch that guy in the face at the exact moment he points his finger at me. So behinds the scenes activist sounds good enough 😂😂
For a pair of Cornell students... they're not very bright.
@Daffie Dill Well look at Bart Kay, he used to be a professor before he was fired, and he's an idiot
“They’re not very bright because they disagree with my vegan philosophy”
@@ericgeorge145 And that just shows how stupid vegans are.
@@MauriceTarantulas They're not very bright because they could barely form coherent sentences. If you realized how often vegan activists hear the same shit, you'd question people's intelligence too. They're arguing in favour of animal cruelty and hardly coming up with any sort of valid justification. If you think vegans are stupid, then explain what Earthling Ed said that you disagree with, or expand on one of the students' points.
@@ericgeorge145 16:12 her logic falls apart. This shows how much of a "religion" and how far indoctrinated people who grew up on or around farms are. Think about her logic "Slaughter is humane because ... " Then she says it's humane up until slaughter - Ok you just disproved your own point. The she jumbles around that there's no stressors, and when asked if she'd have her dog euthanized at a slaughter house, she diverted the question to the euthanasia processes in a vet and didn't answer the question. They talk about stunning as if it is proven to render the animal unconscious and that they feel no pain but that has never been proven to be true in any study that stunning removes nociception or awareness, and you can see the videos of this happening, the animals are still clearly in pain. I emailed the guy who set up these guidelines for this at HSA and he wasn't able to provide any evidence either to defend their own words. They claim:
"Slaughter can be humane if an animal is protected from avoidable excitement, pain or suffering. To achieve this, the animal must be effectively restrained and then stunned, rendering it insensible to pain, and finally bled rapidly and profusely to ensure death before recovery could occur."
This statement is self-contradictory as, the pain is in fact avoidable, by not slaughtering animals.
What I learned about Cornell students :
1. They love to talk in length about things they don't understand
2. They confuse facts with opinion
3. They assume a lot.
4. They fall for every fallacy in the book.
5. They love listening to themselves talking.
And they feel no empathy and compassion for the suffering of a living being.
😂 lmao so true
Hmm.. are you assuming this video gives an accurate representation of Cornell students?
@@esbernjakobsen2955 oh someones butt hurt.. no, that's not what he's saying. In the grand scheme of things, the point is that even the people who walk around with their ego shoved up their ass because they go to Cornell, or Harvard, or Yale, are still very uneducated to the realities of the REAL world. These people are not special. They're regular humans who like many others, are oblivious to the horrific nature of the meat and dairy industry. In that sense, Ed will give you more of an education than any bullshit college ever could. and the best part is, learning about veganism and animal agriculture isn't going to cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. best of luck to you and your lack of intellect.
The dairy farm girl was nice though. She was actually listening.
She used the word 'euthanize' like her dairy cow had an incurable disease and she put them down out of compassion.
To be fair, that girl had a perfectly logical and respectful discussion with Ed though. Like Ed has pointed it out in multiple occasions when you are raised in a certain way your brain takes some things for granted and you make some logical leaps like the one you mention. Her reason for 'euthanizing' the animal was because she would no longer be able to feed it (she said so in the end). And that's a perfectly good reason to do it (almost as valid as an incurable disease) BUT (according to Ed's response) the problem is exactly that. The way the dairy industry is setup, this outcome is expected and unavoidable.
Yeah & the way she said she might “euthanize” her dog! One of her choices was stunning & letting him bleed out but done “with the utmost respect! Wtfrack!
I wonder if they know theyre bullshiting or they really believe what they say?
I sometimes think that or if they're just using it as an opportunity to practice their debating methods..
To be rich you have to be sociopath and not care on others (scientifically proven fact)=Your kids likely to be deprived of love and emotions=Kids grow up selfish=Daddy pays for education because they only care about power=They come into positions of control in society and become just another brick in the wall=Assholes like this bother animals and Ed.
Jaskaran Diu Scariliy he believes what he is saying. You could take him to a slaughterhouse and he would category say ‘ I don’t see suffering’. He has no soul.
They believe it alright. They think "God" gave us "stewardship" over animals which naturally means we can enslave and slaughter them!!
@@lyndacartmell4064 No one has a soul. What are you talking about?
Thumbs up if grey sweatshirt guy drove you crazy
Vegan For The Animals Ⓥ the arrogance was incredible. Truly insufferable. That whole personality of humans being so great, despite the fact that we’re the only animal (yes, animal) that would benefit every other species if we all disappeared, drives me insane.
We aren’t special just because we have cell phones (made from exploitation of Asian countries) and cars (which trash the environment and cause mass climate change).
Like who the fuck are we to think we’re so great? Fuck that guy.
Hes was saying a lot of words dancing around the fact that he just wants to do whatever the hell he wants... Even if it causes suffering ... Without anyone hasseling him to make more educated choices..
Nah the girl pissed me off more, I wanted to slap her face so bad
Absolute dope
He doesn‘t believe in evolution. He‘s an idiot.
Ed: 'this is the truth of what happens'
Grey shirt dude: Well, I _disagree_
It is always interesting how people try to justify their behavior.
shakes shakes they’re just animals
yeh like spraying your crops with pesticide and shooting/trapping any other "pests" who try to eat them and then wrapping them in plastic and flying them across the world instead of just eating some local grass feed beef
@@devineolubakin5578 animals thta feel pain, love, suffer and etc. If u dont see farm animals the same as a dog, u have mental illness
Not interesting but rather painful and cause disgust against humanity. I mean, look at that idiot trying to justify murder, it just disgusts me, nothing interesting about that guy and his butler. Oh I meant buttlicker.
Cornell just lets anybody go there huh?
colleges are filled with mostly zombies. Ive seen how many people are playing the system and get perks or get in for no reason other then connections and money.
If you have enough money
@@g.h7657 failed your SATs huh?
@@swaggyjones9875 no actually i tested out before they even gave me them and got perfect scores all the way through school on everything including the separate tests all alone as a little kid showing i was above by 4 grades and they monitored me all my life cuz of how smart i am. Vegan powers bro.
@@g.h7657 I could tell right away when I saw your perfect grammar
I love how Ed immediately knew he was Christian and got triggered by the word evolution.
th-cam.com/video/3xcE0qDv5lw/w-d-xo.html late but yea
There are plenty of Christians that are vegan
@Bartender Plus No
@Bartender Plus designed is a charged word, I'm not convinced we were designed.
You're also appealing to nature as inherently virtuous as a reason for me to accept your argument that we should be vegan on the grounds that we are built to eat both plants and meat. Nature is not inherently virtuous. Just because we have the ability to eat meat, that doesn't necessitate that we ought to do it. You're deriving an ought from an is. It's fallacious.
This isn't good enough, we can live healthy long lives, longer, actually, by switching over to plant based alternatives. But even the health argument isn't enough to morally justify the exploitation, killing and even torture, of animals.
Labelling my position as vegan logic does nothing to advance an actual argument and is merely an attempt at ridiculing the position to make it appear weaker than it really is, I suspect, deliberately as a way of easing your own conscience so you can continue to bend over backwards to justify the absolutely abhorrent way we treat animals for the sake of sensory pleasure.
Evolutionarily speaking, it made sense that early humans required meat, our developing brains meant we needed a source of high calorie, high protein food to fuel our development. This makes sense in an environment where food is scarce and difficult to obtain. Foraging for plants and berries and nuts provided us with nowhere near the nutrition we required, however in the modern day with supermarkets and mass agriculture, we live in an enormously palatable and hyper calorie dense food market, calories and availability of the nutrition that we require are no longer a problem in developed nations, the issue of malnutrition is still an issue of course, one that we do have the ability to solve, unfortunately, nobody actually wants to solve the issue because nobody is prepared to do what is necessary to solve it, making all kinds of justifications for it.
For example, humans produce enough food to feed the entire world numerous times over, but much of this food goes into producing animal feed, which is an inefficient process, given that it takes so much food and water to produce a kilogram of meat.
Overall I can't see any reasonable justification for eating meat over plant based alternatives. Health based claims dont hold up to scrutiny, moral claims dont hold up to scrutiny, economic ones. It would be irrational of me to eat meat over plant based alternatives.
@@angelaramirez8109 Because many Christians are creationists and believe all life was created by God rather than by process of evolution by natural selection.
Ed knew the guy was a Christian fairly easily based on his reaction to Ed mentioning the word evolution.
14:05 she says many of the slaughterhouses in the US are regulated and they are humane. Has she actually visited one?
No...She is trying to justify her choices...i dont understand where is the hard part to say 'Yes this is wrong im going to change' i am a teenager and i live with my parents in a country that eat a lot of meat and i am vegan...why adults are so ignorant and annoying? Like change and we are all good...
And she said they live comfortably up until they are slaughtered... Which i know for a fact shes never seen inside of a slaughterhouse with that statement
If hell is has a place on earth its at a slaughterhouse.
@I like Potatoes No. But i am not the one saying they are humane.
@@traymitt No, you are!
A smart argument that always works.
Man you have so much patience with closed minded people. I love how you sat down and talked to that one group. Great job Ed!
I was glad to hear that nice asian girl respond: "I'm vegan)".
Timestamp?
1:10
From what I heard, Ed was asking something like "So all this stuff you thought about before?" She said "And vegan" meaning she thought about going vegan?
@@ming4182 Nah, she said "I'm vegan"
Nice girl*
Thanks for what you are doing for veganism, Ed. You and Joey made me go vegan in June 2018. Best decision of my life.
Vegan über Nacht I also went vegan because of Ed and Joey in July 2018!
@@magicpigeon_ That's incredible! Which specific videos made you go vegan? For me it was Ed's famous speech ("You will never look at your life in the same way again - eye-opening speech") and Joey's "Police interrogation backfires", that got me on track. Before that, an austrian tv documentary about the dairy industry.
Vegan über Nacht I’m not really sure just all of it I guess and I just realized that I agreed with what they were saying and not the other side so I switched to their side you know?
@@magicpigeon_ Yeah of course, it's the overall view you get from watching different videos. I actually meant, that this specific two videos were the first I saw from them and made me then watch more. It was the same with me, I agreed with all the points they made and then thought "Well, what's actually holding me back?"
Vegan über Nacht yeah!
It’s honestly funny to hear the sentence “compassionate slaughter”, kind of an oxymoron
You can just hear the tired frustration in Ed's voice at 11:14 when he realises that he's dealing with creationists
Being a creationist and being so confident about it.. its just sad how dumb these people are indoctrinated into religion from childhood
excuse me - I'm "creationist" and gone Vegan
mY God didn't create animals with families &
friends, feelings evidenced by nerve endings
for them to be products for us to use. but mY
God instead created *_vegetables_* for that
exact purpose. and Truth is self evident ! 💖
Finally turned vegan on sunday after nearly a year of living vegetarian. I've never felt so confident in any of my life decisions up to this point seeing this student arguing against logic and common sense. Thank you for representing the animals, Ed!
Labbromat
Bless you:)
Yeah great for you. Good luck trying to pass your next blood test!
jøker
I passed my last blood test perfectly and I’m vegan. It’s not too hard as long as you balance your meals, and use cronometer. com for your first month or so to get a feel for things.
@@zain4019 I never said it's impossible to live on a vegan diet but it is way harder and doesn't bring that many benefits. Actually tge only benefit it brings is a false mental security that makes you belive that you do something important.
jøker
I’ve thought about that, too. But the sense that what you do is pointless, futile, a drop in the bucket- if we all lived like that, believing our impact is minimal and did nothing to change what was wrong, we would all suffer. But if we all realized the potential and capability for good of our actions, our words, even our thoughts, then what sort of world would we have?
I’d like the second world better. It’s kinder, more compassionate, more brave. And even if I’m the only one making that world a reality, it’s still a better world than where every single human, including me, chooses not to believe in their capacity to change and their capacity for good, and instead wearily accepts defeat without hope of a better world.
This dude doesn't believe in evolution and goes to an Ivy League school?
Hogan G I mean, it is Cornell
Many creationists do believe in evolution.
deborah rabbit white those are mutually exclusive theories of organic progression
@@Van-yo2xr Maybe, but there are creationists that believe in evolution.
deborah rabbit white by definition there aren’t. The theory of evolution does not allow the possibility that man or fish or any other animal was put into this earth. All evolved from organisms that were not the birds of the air or the fish of the sea.
Anyone know how long a cow lives for in the wild? A - 20 years. Anyone know how long a dairy cow lives for? A- 3-4 years.
How can this be justified???
Nature
@@stephaniefarris5461 there is really 0 nature in animal farming... Nor eating/drinking other species' secretions
@@maurisha8867 depending on the way of farming and what exactly you consider nature.
@@maurisha8867 notice how earthling ed ' s response to anything negative about veganism is " veganism isn't perfect"...yeah no shit...basically he only cares about what he considers to be "immoral"
@@stephaniefarris5461 i dont even waste my time answering to your non-sense
I'm getting anxious watching this. The points the guy and the girl were making made no sense. Brick walls indeed.
"I disagree with your world view"
"Slaughterhouses are humane"
I thought this was an Ivy League?
The white privilege thing is real!..... in America.
Ya.... The girl trying to insist slaughter is humane.... My goodness...
@@possession2 exactly!
Killing animals is part of the cycle of life and is neither humane nor inhumane. It just is.
Orberen go kill am animal then
Ed has the patience of a saint, that boy in the grey shirt went home absolutely furious reevaluating his whole existence.
Yo. Boy in grey hood, can you please join the TH-cam comments. We're not done roasting you.
Guy blatantly watches so much Shapiro that he’s started emulating his voice.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
@Janey Doe hahahaha
Lmaooooo hahahahaha
Best comment ahahahhaha . "ITs mY pOiNt oF vIEw"
They really thought they were saying some smart shit ha
Lol your obvious annoyed sigh at 11:10 just shows how hard it is even for you to listen to meat eaters always repeating the same unjustified bs over and over again, yet you still manage to stay calm and reasonable. You're doing great work Ed, thank you! 🌱
"Every farm, either if it's a small farm or a big farm, will try as hard as they can to take the best care of their animals."
WHAT
Naters and kill them anyway
Naters
Have you ever seen animal slaughter on a factory farm, darling? It’s horrendous.
@@zain4019 have seen it many times. Never seen cruelty or torture while killing the animal, non every farm is like the ones you see on the internet. Killing an animal doesn't mean you don't care for it
@Naters killing them is not taking care of them
@Naters Neither is impregnating them and taking their babies milk
Got an ad for dairy products on this video 🙄 the industry is desperate
It baffles me every time to see your level of patience whilest conversing with these spiritually dormant simpletons. There's a lesson for me to apply.
lolololol
They obviously believe they are in the right. The guy keeps saying "again" in that tone, because to him Ed is the one that cannot comprehend his "arguments".
He keep saying"again" because he going in circles with no sound reasoning 🤔🤨
Wayne Gourdine subconscious doing fallacy loops, conscious mind projecting what it’s guilty of on the other
They threw everything nefarious and pernicious onto Ed by way of points to trip him up - but, instead , boy did that couple make an absolute arse of themselves with utter conviction. Well done Ed.
Utter conviction, hmmm. We didn't hear the end of the couple's conversation because it was cut. Why, well maybe because he was losing the argument. Ed is a master of supercuts, deceiving his audience by pushing propaganda. Everytime he begins to lose the argument and his points are countered, he cuts it from the video.
@@jasonlimweizen they' weren't winning the argument
@@jasonlimweizen How was he losing the argument?
@@thebestofenergy I am not speaking about conspiracies, its facts. You are proof that Ed has successfully brainwash your naive sense of self. There are way more important things to do in this life than trying to argue with ppl like you. Go online and seriously start looking into what veganism actually is. If you truly look into it, you will find that veganism is not as glamorous as it seems, veganism goes against the natural order and hides itself behind a veil of hypocrisy. This is the reason why young people make up the majority of vegans, im only 19 but i am glad that i did my research unlike many vegans who only see the surface. Veganism targets the young naive population with a weak moral compass who are used to think based on what they are told rather than thinking for themselves. Veganism is a satanic conspiracy against what God has intended for the world to be, it is unnatural dont you get it nor does it make the world better. DO YOUR RESEARCH AND THINK FOR YOURSELF, DONT BE NAIVE.
@@RoryCresswell-nb1yu I have stopped, the anti vegan phase is gone. I realise that i was too invested in stripping down the deceptive veil of veganism which is really nothing compared to other issues in life where there are far more at stake. Sorry but veganism is a useless ideology which distracts you from real problems and turns you into a cynical and pessimistic person. Waste of time.
That guy’s girlfriend was struggling with her conscience
Lmao totally
What pissed me of was the fact that she thought she is smart enough to go against ed she's so fk arrogant
as sooon as the guy in the grey sweater started talking i lost 30 brain cells
Why tho? He got a point
that's not that much
@@jker4592 What points did he have in your eyes, I'm curious. All I saw was him denying studies and dancing around arguments and keywords to pretend that suffering doesn't happen.
@@TheGuy3-D What studies are you talking about? And he got a point because you can'z say that eating meat is straight up murder
@@jker4592 You can Google studies done on cows for their intelligence, where they show and prove that they have a complex memory and emotional intelligence, and you can also look up studies where they show the psychological distress of animal agriculture animals. The guy's only rebuttal to these objective facts are "uhh not from my perspective." Okay, if you can disprove these studies and the scientists, sure, but you can't and neither can he. Also, yes buying meat is what causes the murder/killing of animals. It's simple supply and demand. If people stopped eating meat, animals would stop being killed. By that logic, if I hire someone to kill someone, then I'm not responsible. It doesn't work that way.
Btw you totally owned him and they didn’t even notice.
Wow the girl at the end was super open minded. I admire her for being able to question what she's been taught, it takes a lot of bravery :-)
It takes a lot to question what you've been taught from birth! I hope she keeps going
I just want to say Ed, I really appreciate what you're doing here, because I sure as hell would not be able to do this. Hearing the same arguments over and over would frustrate me so much but you seem to have the patience of a saint. Thanks for doing this, from me and all the animals you're helping with this
Much love from the Netherlands, keep up the good work
I was vegetarian for quite a long time, but for some reason I didn't fully understand why I needed to go vegan. Your channel, videos made me realize everything about milk industry, farms. I'm more than thankful to you. You are doing so much for the planet, animals and people, you don't even realize that. Thank you for opening my eyes.
This month makes 2 years of veganism in my household!🌱
Congrats on the anniversary!
*A VEGAN WORLD........it's happening!*
@Southy
Vegan living is on the rise and there's no stopping it......the arc of morality is long, but bends toward justice.
@Southy Wait, I don't understand... He's his own bullshit? Or he owns bullshit?
@@thebestofenergy he IS bullshit
Louis Gedo you need a hamburger
"You can't use the actions of people in impoverished countries to justify your actions." Ed phrased this so perfectly.
@Jim C how so, elaborate, please.
"Compassionate slaughter" - omg
The sad fact is that these 2 people are showing sociopathic tendencies. They don't feel anything. At all. And that's what this argument is. They don't understand or care about the cows suffering.
So when you eat vegetables/fruits etc do you feel for the poor slave who picked them up? Do you feel for the millions of insects and rodents that your crops killed? Lol gtfo
@@Qweertyyuiiop The fruits and vegetables you eat are picked up by poor slaves?
If a cow suffers on my farm it doesn't last long
Yes you can care for both. Neither deserve to suffer. What is your point? Your problem is you have no empathy, (something even an infant or say a 12 year old might have). You're here to stir, and you can take your spoon and stick it up where the sun don't shine. @Dennis
What are you even on about mate? @@Qweertyyuiiop
Some of these people clearly display psychopathological traits, where they seem to not be able emphasize with others... Amazing interviewing, Ed!
That couple belong together. Dunning-Kruger x 1000
Ahhhhhhh, this this, unfortunately this.
As a Cornell alum and a vegan, I am so happy to see Ed having these discussions with students.
Same! It's also nice to see bits of the campus again.
Awesome:)
Just what Gary Yourovsky said: You can't base your behaviors on other animals.
Wow.....a creationist...."This is all for me. I'm the special one and possess indefinite worth"
Low game logic and critical thinking skills
Level one logic = using a fairytale book to dictate your life choices
@@80slimshadys Religion is a belief and there are no hard facts as to what actually happened. Religion can teach people good and/or bad moral upon which to build an ethical structure. It's funny how the fear of God is still used in courts "Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God" Ugh (nose bridge pinch)
@PaleDale Anyone can appeal to Futility but that is not a logical argument #askyourselfapproved
@@Denkono the question is a catch 22 for atheists. Answering yes would imply a god exists which is already a lie for them.
@@bo_trilly Say I'm in court and I'm asked that question. What would an appropriate atheist response be?
“I don’t feel that is causes animal suffering”
Yeaaah , doing an analogy, the one who enslaves does not feel the pain of the enslaved...
I love that you keep running into other vegans. 🌱 Someday soon, i hope it’s the majority.
Luke Adamson that is stupid as fuck we don't need more vegans
@@nicolisampson6489 and why exactly are you here?
Mirry to see what this was about I don't care if someone's vegan but I hate when you have those vegans that want the majority or everyone to be vegan it's incredibly stupid
Mirry I mean not every vegan Is like that but there are a lot that want everyone to be vegan
Nicoli Sampson Is it really stupid to hope that the needless suffering and deaths of billions of innocent animals will come to an end someday?
Schools need some sort of nutritional elective, in my opinion. A lot of people argue that vegans don’t receive the same nutrients that carnivores receive, but it’s not true, and there really should be some kind of program in schools to explain why, if students choose to attend.
Because politics/money. There are billions of dollars invested in the dairy and meat industry that these investors do not want to teach us the benefits of veganism. These people are the same people that says meat and dairy are healthy to us and continue to spread these lies by making fake studies.
What 15 nutrients can you get from plants that you can also get from animals?
Starting with humans aren't carnovires.
Rosa Marie The point is that we can survive off of plants. Animals dying or suffering is unnecessary, and thus, it’s unethical.
Rosa Marie
Between Plants both land and sea, and legumes you can get -
Vitamin A
Vitamin B
Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Vitamin K
Zinc
Magnesium
Calcium
Protein
Potassium
Riboflavin
Thiamin
Biotin
Folate
Omega 3
Omega 6
Sodium (obviously)
Manganese
And even in some cases B12. B12 comes from bacteria and humans naturally make it. But our bodies do not absorb it so it goes through our intestines and exits in our poop. Some civilizations have used that poop to grow crops that are rich in B12. Bet you didn’t know that....
I hugely admire the way this guy goes around preaching veganism fearlessly, calmly without ever losing his cool. he is doing a great service to all of us living on this planet.
Oh man, that couple think they're so damn smart and ~logical when they're really just arrogant and callous
Ad Hominem...
i hate that woman argueing, so smug
I am impressed how you can have a similar conversation with different people again and again for years and years and still listen and curve questions relevant for the person in front of you and still have the patience to explain the same things in a friendly tone. Man with a cause. Well done.
That sit down talk with the girl is everything- you are love my guy. Peace
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
THIS
I would rather be in a “cult” of compassion than a cult of killing & consuming the flesh & secretions of animals.
I am basing my decision on facts. There are people who aren’t self aware. Should we eat them too? What about cats? Should we eat cats? They don’t show self awareness in the mirror test. Whether self aware or not they experience suffering. They feel pain. I choose for my food to be free of pain & suffering.
Bartender Plus & I would say that is pro nature.
Bartender Plus I do not have to believe that animals are equal to humans to not want to cause their suffering. You talk of ignorance but you are spewing it. Humans absolutely have everything they need to digest plants. I’m sure you never fart. 😂Yes I’m aware there are carnivorous plants although I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. It seems like I touched a nerve. Justify yourself however you see fit. I choose kindness.
Watching adds all the way
through so Ed can get more money to continue his work
This is your gift your calling. I thank you, i have learned soooo much from you Ed
sometimes before a discussion i wanna say please listen to understand and not to argue. because you could literally see the two not letting a thing in their minds and just defensively saying whatever. whenever ed said something they didnt anticipate theyd be like how did climate change come here
creepily, I had a dream where I met you yesterday and was so glad and all I wanted to do was express my gratitude for showing such a logical, caring side to veganism. I'm a vegetarian and trying to transition to veganism and you are the most convincing and most interesting person to listen to. Thanks so much for all you do!!
“What use are eyes when the Heart is BLIND”
The cognitive dissonance is so strong in these university students
their excuses in choosing to BE Animal Abusers are simply 🤦🏻♀️
That guy is a perfect example of a situation where you just have to realize that your time is better spent talking to someone else. Some people are simply not interested in changing their beliefs.
That's an attitude I've never been able to understand, people cant grow with a closed mind.
I'm so glad that I have this level of patience when discussing this topic. I plan on being an advocate for animals, and I feel one day, with all of us, it'll bring a positive change.
Girl: "I'm already vegan"
Ed: "oh, well that helps doesn't it"
I don't know why but i giggled at this awhhh
Ed, you are an absolute inspiration! I'm going on 3 years of being vegan and I don't ever regret my decision. I've always been an animal lover, but unfortunately, it took me until I was 19 to make the connection that my actions should be aligned with my morals. Thank you for continuing to inspire vegans and non-vegans alike and for having amazing patience with people who truly cannot see the bigger picture!
It is so refreshing to see people on the internet calmly talking and exchanging their differing views, especially when he sat down with this girl from a dairy farm.
Most channels are about gearing up controversy, calling out people, who have different opinions and being disrespectful to others.
Ed is so different in his approach and I applaud him for that.
PS: I'm not vegan!
"Remember, your perception of the world is a reflection of your state of consciousness."
At least you had a few "intelligent" conversations! Your patience is always amazing!
If veganism is so great why does ed look emaciated and sick
Lol I love how ed wins the argument with logic Everytime
Ed. You're an amazing human. The world needs more people like you. I wish I could meet you once in my life to thank you for all the hard work you put in !
6:30 those two where trying to tell themselves that milk doesn't cause catrostophic events. They want to justified drinking milk because Ed can't show them catrostophic events of drinking milk.
his name isn't Ed, it's Ed Gaunt ;)
Please tell me how cows farting is our fault.
Antti Lukkari Bringing millions of cows into existence so we could drink milk and eat beef is our fault... Hence the farting in adequacy 😃
@@georginacarbery1790 I am aware of that and almost added it in my comment but bovines used to thrive in the nature on their own you know and there were a lot of them and still would be if we wouldn't build malls and other useless buildings on their living ground, I mean if we wouldn't have domesticated them before that is. And methane exists in other places than cows guts too and we release it in the air like crazy for stuff we consider more eco friendly
@@strongv460 Bringing millions of people into existence causes that and a LOT of other problems too, isn't the right choice to stop us from reproducing?
I actually cannot imagine talking to people like this, I would get too exasperated and emotional. I really admire Ed’s calm and rationale in these discussions 🌱
Ed helped me go vegan. It’s not enough, however. #Activism>Veganism
That's true but Activism takes time, veganism doesn't. You could put other activities that have a bigger impact than veganism like some big science breakthrough related stuff.
Fabio119 I encourage you to examine some peer-reviewed research. You don’t have to listen to vegans at all, but revered scientific facts can’t exactly be disputed.
Mihawk D. Yonko I’m exited for your next science breakthrough! Anyone can go to animal rights events, but only a real genius like Mikhawk D. Yonko can solve our worlds problems with a baking-soda volcano. Activism literally means getting off ones ass.
Neil Popp watch Bart Kay who is a scientist in the field of nutrition.
Fabio119 watch Bart Kay who is a scientist in the field of nutrition who has a TH-cam channel where he tears apart veganism especially Hench Herbivore it’s highly entertaining!!
We can't force people to change but we can always hold them accountable for their actions. Thank you for standing up for the animals always 🙏🏻
I don't get it with these people. As soon as I found out what happens on a dairy farm I stopped eating dairy. Even a small dairy farm is causing harm.
She needs virtual reality glasses of the life of a dairy cow to dispel her humane lies!!!
xXHunter23HyperXx great idea!!!
That might backfire for you I'm afraid... Dairy cows life is mostly just jolly good time.
@@htg989 You're delusional.
@@htg989 Forced pregnancy and child abduction is not a "jolly good time" you psychopath.
www.humanemyth.org/happycows.htm
@biscuit Yeah, maybe, but at least the links I leave behind might be useful for other people who come across this chain in the future.
That guy and girl are walls. I was getting so heated watching, Ed has INCREDIBLE patience.
Ed is the Magnus Carlsen of Vegan debates, in here he played chess matches against several opponents at the same time and won them all.
The comments below say everything about that obnoxious couple. You did a brilliant job Ed but they had totally closed uncaring minds. Yuk.
Totally forgot fish can get the Bends, that's horrific
And?
@@MauriceTarantulas yes I see your point, very philosophical of you. I wish there were more people that brought such value to conversations like you do....cough
Annoying guy: wants evidence of suffering and global warming.
Annoying guy: my opinion is cows don’t suffer, and my opinion is evidence.
These people are so frustrating I have so much respect for you Ed ❤️
Edward Guant is a con man.