Nah that dudes a vegan all the way😂. Who I thought was a vegan and hunter on the thumbnail turned out to be the case. Although I can see your point with his long hair and mustache maybe? But he just looks too similar to modern young men in modern societies, and non surprisingly a vegan one😂
I know a lady who hunts for the meat, who's best friends argument is "why it's available at the grocery store?" He doesn't understand overpopulation of said animals, yet the twist is, she processes the meat but doesn't eat it.. Anyone else have a perspective on this ?
@@tfxchronotfx2488 How they treat the animals is absolutely disgusting and they keep them in captivity spoiling their meat while the animals are living in constant anxiousness. It's making me want to cry now even writing about it. That meat is such low quality from before it's even processed because of all the stress on the animal. Then by the time we buy it in the store not only has animal cruelty occured but we are lowering our own health, and own standards by consuming that terrible meat. It's not good for the animals, or for us. Hunting or buying meat from hunters is really the only morally high approach to it. I haven't had the luxury of being able to do this yet, I'm only 20 and just barley moved out of moms🤣. But defintiely plan to do this in my future. We were meant to eat meat, they're here partially to be eaten by predators, and we just happen to be one of those predators, but the way it's done is allll fucked up. And yes the overpopulation thing is VERY important as well to understand for people who are vegan, and against people that eat meat.
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Huge fan of your work!! Thank you for everything that you do for the animals. Myself and my family have made the transition and gone vegan during lockdown.
Everyone and everything will die regardless and even worse... Nothing ethical about dying.... Ed this for you is all but making millions out of this cult called veganism
Well the diseases of civilisational ain't that great. Even diseases like coronavirus and influenza came about because of the domestication of animals (our first steps away from a hunter gatherer existence).
chad kasten bro hunting and gathering is a thing of the past. There is no need to get food like that anymore. You will see in future, it will be very rare for people to be eating animals. The technology in vegetarian foods, that look, feel and taste exactly like meat, is improving at an incredible rate. Meat will become a thing of the past, and hunter and gathering been more so
They definitely cut out Ed’s explanation of why a vegan diet kills less animals overall… the majority of crops we grow are for animal consumption - if we cut down on animal farming it would also cut down on overall land use.
@@louismayne6684 There is no natural number for domesticated animals, if the world went vegan they would all go extinct, and quickly. We have removed their defenses, they are curious instead of fearful, they serve no purpose to any ecosystem outside of humanity
@@tenkenroo the whole world wont go vegan overnight. its more about supply and demand, less and less people will eat meat and the overall number of livestock around the world will decrease. They will go extinct or live on sanctuaries rather than being intorduced into the wild.
@@louismayne6684 die out quickly? Have you not seen the result of domestic pigs hybridizing with introduced boar in the southern US? They're one of the most significant ecological threats in that region. There's also feral chicken living along a them, that were once ancestrally domestic. Released domestic cattle would threaten native bison through competition, and hybridization. Released goats cause ecological havoc on the Galapagos islands, why wouldn't they have the same effect anywhere else? No, domestic animals won't immediately die out, some will adapt and potentially cause great harm. We're still battling them decades later, and we're losing with some of them. This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.
It's almost as if Ed has thought everything through and then settled on his choice of what to eat. Rather than making a choice and then trying to justify why
I eat meat too and I won't stop eating meat but she says "I wouldn't have shot the deer" but she hunts deer.....so wtf is she trying to say? She wouldn't shoot talking deer?
If you're curious, you should check out this short documentary made by the guy in the video: th-cam.com/video/dvtVkNofcq8/w-d-xo.html . It's extremely eye opening and worth watching. Or just have a look at some of Earthling Ed's other videos.
Humans becoming smart due to meat consumption is just an absurd theory. "If eating meat or hunting stimulated brain development then the carnivores would have the biggest brains, and they don't. Which is why if you have a dog he still drinks from the toilet. They're not very bright". th-cam.com/video/nS2_Q1NY8nU/w-d-xo.html
@@ok4412 right, and thats a problem with a lot of meat eaters, they are inconsistent in their actions and beliefs. She hunts deer but then all of a sudden if its bambis mom she wouldnt have shot the deer? At least vegans are consistent.
To anyone who are confuse to this statement. Check this out~: "It is an offence under the National Parks and Wildlfe Act to kill or remove a snake from its environment." Meaning it's illegal to kill or remove a snake from their "ENVIRONMENT", not when they are attacking at your house.
@@ayie583 IF they're a threat, often they escape. Also, she mentioned an airplane full of them... Vegans still fight/kill if attacked. Look at Gorillas or Hippos, they're both vegan, yet they kill if attacked.
@@coffeefixation Exactly. They are often try to escape or avoid to make any contact with human. But if one of them are being aggressive for some reason, be sure to defend yourself. Stay safe, my friend. Cheers!
@@mello.b3373 I agree with that there's nothing wrong about killing animals for food. It's the food chain. And, meat IS dense with macronutrients. But, why is veganism delusional or illogical? Veganism is a choice that is not that logically wrong. Some plants have proteins and fats that can sustain a human, given the right amount and type of plant. If you're saying veganism isn't viable in the food chain meta, then you're (somewhat) wrong. We are of the omnivore consumer class. We can eat whatever we want, fellow human main.
Indrid cold I know right! Those I have no problem with those people, but when you force or try to convince someone to do the same that’s when it’s messed up
Rishee Sreenivasan Forcing death is normal for a literal million years since evolution existed, sure those farm houses are messed up and I agree with that, but using the term ‘educating’ us non vegans gives seems a little harsh? Anyways, Telling someone to change isn’t wrong, but we didn’t ask for advice nor do we need it. So I think it”d be better off to just chill and you what you’re doing, and I do what I’m doing and just be friends :3
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Ed isn't just some vegan. He's a vegan activist and animal rights advocate. Also, did they cut out Ed's response to her argument about hunting and the ecosystem? Ed always has a great response to that question when he covers it in his own activism. The way this video was cut makes the situation seem like that question totally caught Ed off guard and he didn't have a good response to it, when in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. If anyone is curious about this, you should go watch some of the debates on Ed Winters' channel, Earthling Ed.
This. They didn't leave a single longer answer in. They make it look like he can only argue on the surface level, which couldn't be further from the truth. If this were one of his street interview videos, it wouldn't be cut and all of the hunters arguments would be, as TH-cam so likes it, "destroyed".
@@mello.b3373 Veganism is an important first step in repairing humankind's oppressive relationship with the other animals of this world and make a better world for everyone. In what way do the ideas of veganism go against science?
@@mello.b3373 the good luck with being sick when you are older there is a lot of evidence out there form a lot of studys that a plant based diet is the heathiest and that meat,dairy and eggs are unhealthy you been brainwashed....
This guy is a talented rhetoretician. He could have been a politician, a lobbyist for some giant corporation, a salesman. Instead he is very good at connecting with people and presenting his point of view to educate and hopefully reduce animal suffering. I feel like this is a prime example of using your powers for good.
ugh im sure he's either his own boss making a bank from these types of talks, or a plant based company pays him top money...dont thnk hes just some "kind soul" who just happens to do videos on yt for free
@@Red4350 Is it seriously impossible for you to imagine and believe that people can genuinely care about animals and actively try to speak up for them? Your comment says a lot more about you than Ed.
@@snoopredictions ok true maybe i was a little too harsh or judgey, ofc i know ppl care alot about animals its just theres a huge market for this rn and im just not convinced that hes like some saint...some of it comes off to me as pretentious, like ppl giving money to homeless for content...good ppl but if there was nothing it it for them would they really be that caring and passionate ...like you ever see the video of some guy bashing ppl for eating meat but hes passing out and promoting his chocolate bar that contains palm oil, and that actively kills animals too, and when he got called out he got defensive and showed a graph to say that palm oil doesnt kill anything close to the amount of animals that the meat industry does, like caring for animals is legit the easiest angle to take because of how righteous and feel good it is, to me it just seems like a win win for certain types of ppl, they align on the emotionally and ethically just side of an issue so they can line their pockets...idk yo maybe im wrong but im just not convinced when ppl have whole websites aking for donations and sell products ...just look at Eds channel you dont even have to go to his about me to see a huge plastered advertisement for his "best seller" book nice name btw is that a Phoenix reference?
@@Red4350 I mean, yeah, he definitely makes his living doing activism/youtube thing, but he could easily make more doing something else. Heck, he could be a more successful youtuber covering literally anything else that's not as unpopular as veganism.
Not by herself, her and other people who do it. And she's not wrong. If they overpopulated they would starve, and other animals would also suffer. Be alot worse than some getting shot in the head every year .
@@Jake-rj6ql this is very true i thought this was a good point because it is the same reason scientifically speaking why certain predators and prey shouldnt be removed or placed into other habitats
@@Jake-rj6ql Let me get this straight. You kill them, and take pictures with you smiling with a gun by their corpse, then remove their biomass from the ecosystem, and your excuse is it prevents them from dying anyway of starvation?
It’s refreshing to have a guy like Ed lead the charge with all the negative connotations that are attached to the word “vegan.” He’s the perfect example of a man who is trying to educate instead of “win arguments.” He’s very well educated, but he actually has the power to reach people to actually get them to reconsider their position. Many can learn from him. In debates, if you can remain calm, not take or make it personal, and focus on your points while also listening and being open to the fact that the person on the other side of the table may have a valid point...then you will at the very least get them to listen and respect your opinion. When egos get involved, then people stop listening. Really enjoy hearing these discussions. Disagreement does not have to be a heated argument all the time.
@@autisticguitar666 that's a really interesting point. I think that it doesn't necessarily make this comment within itself inaccurate though, which is why I commented again. Lately its always extremes that are almost polar opposites and completely hostile. But everything is complex and requires thought. And its so easy to just identify with a group/idea and refuse to let go of it. I think many people go about living that way and they seem to be the loudest. Here, even if the logic isn't quite there at least it's an actual conversation, instead of passive aggressive and only emotional arguments. That's my take anyway
@@tristanmoses5187 Please state an argument of his you think is stupid. Also if you're new to Ed, he constantly speaks to people who ate meat and educates them on the process in which that meat is put on their plate, as well what actually goes on in the dairy industry. He ate meat for 22 years or so of his life. He understands both sides because he's been on both sides. He is very clear and concise and his reasoning checks out. Remember just because you don't agree with his points doesn't make them "stupid." You can use your free speech here in a better way and actually pinpoint a point of his you thought was stupid, then list your reasoning as to why it was stupid. Start a conversation. Back it with research. Anyone can come on here and say someone's argument is stupid just because they don't agree with it because it conflicts with their way of living. That is useless though.
Then the sport hunters act like they're doing some civic duty for all of us, when it's' the hunters that created the problem in the first place. Just leave the working ecosystems alone for fucks sake.
And that's on that. You guys should look at what happened at Yosemite when they reintroduced wolves. We have a problem with deer where I am, same story I think, Apex predators are gone bc of human population and buildings everywhere
I have always failed to understand how "a vegan / plant-based diet kills MORE animals in crop production". Aren't yall eating your vegetables? And crops are used to feed livestock too. We can argue back and forth but pointing vegans as the sole culprits because they eat vegetables...?
to play the devil’s advocate, she might not, there are some meat-eaters who are on so-called carnivorous diet, eliminating veggies just look at Mikhaila Peterson but still, the animals most people eat, eat more crops than a human
Let me explain it for you, vegans claim their diet kills less animals because the amount of animals that die during the food production that is feed to the animal. Using that logic then, meat eaters who feed on meat that is produced without the modern crop production methods would therefore kill less overall animals in their diet. Also using the vegan logic of "the less animals I kill is better" then a diet of low intensity meat production is morally superior to any vegan diet based on the amount of overall lives lost in the production of one's caloric needs.
you're conflicting arguments just like ED... he represents big corp plant based products that kill animals in the process of making their products from using pesticides and machinery and have to clear land and forests to also build upon...so while sure they kill way less than lets say some big animal processing plant, but she's a hunter, she probably doesnt even kill an animal daily compared to a plant farm which probably semi directly/indirectly kills animals daily...so because he advocates for these big corp type products (which imo they pay him well) he just meshes together arguments like she's arguing for some big industrialized animal plant which if you listened to the first min she says shes not for...8:05 he strawmans tf out of her, saying "oh you kill more animals so you're worse" which is one false because shes not some huge animal killing type plant and two he admits that vegan farming kills animals and yet says "oh well we kill less animals so we're better than you" hypocrite
Hilarious! I'm an Australian vegan living in the desert, we have a team of amazing snake catchers here.. if there's a snake on your property they come and collect the snake and transport it back into the wild! We 100% do not advocate killing snakes! This woman speaking on behalf of others is incredibly frustrating.
Thanks for sharing this, I didn't know this. I do have to say, that this argument with snakes and vegans was very poor, and basically a variation of the 'what were you do if you were stranded on an island' argument. Being vegan is about cutting out the unneccessary killings, you could absolutely protect yourself against animals.
Yeah, I can get population control for certain species where reintroducing the natural predators is deemed impossible, but having an animal killed for daring to be near your house and being dangerous is dumb. The advantage of tool use and communication is that we can use these coordinated groups and unorthodox methods to find better solutions to problems. It's what apparently makes us so much better than animals to a lot of people, but we don't seem to use it to benefit the world around us. I like vegetarian ideas and eat mostly veggie myself, because if I can't guarantee the animal was free range and had been treated well before their death then I shouldn't consume their meat. I also consider if I could kill the animal who's meat I'm eating was it placed in front of me, and if I couldn't look at it and kill it, why should I eat it? I was a vegetarian fully for two years, but after going fishing and hunting, I could realistically say that I could eat most meats, barring lamb, veal and meats from young animals, as they haven't had a chance to live a full life before they are killed for meat
Yep. Snakes are laid back as long as you leave them alone. If you meet one, just don't freak out, and don't step on it, you'll be fine. If you're too freaked out to handle it, get someone else to guide it away from house/garden/whatever. Also if you're so worried about em then snake-proof, it's not hard.
There’s a reason why Ed won the discussion. She was debating based on opinions & he was debating based on facts, science and agreed human values & morality.
I’ve only watched the first 2 minutes but already it’s not facts he’s stating it’s actually what he believes he says that veganism is a step in the right direction in terms of being more ethical but it’s not veganism has a huge impact on the environment in terms of pollution due to co2 emissions from machines or different fertilisers and herbicides going into the ground it’s not a question about how much animals your harming it’s a question of do you want to hurt big or small animals and the environmental pollution is a question of do you want to directly pollute or just pollute in a way it goes somewhat unseen because too many people blame the likes of cows for pollution they do but what about all the rivers and seas polluted by different herbicides and fertilisers people need to properly research the facts not just what they first see on the internet
@@NotHumant8727 When the farmer tills the land for planting it kills tons of rodents etc that nobody cares about. In some areas more farmland reduces habitat, where ranching on a hillside etc you dont need to do anything to the habitat.
@John Smith i hope you're just trolling be, but as a biologist I can say this is far from true. So this is just some ranty info for anyone interested Every part of an ecosystem is important, because it resides on a very fine balance, nature can adjust to the removal of let's say bunnies out of a forest, but it removes a huge source of food for foxes, so maybe now they have to mice. This kind of changes can influence the natural selection process etc. Every life form, how annoying or invaluable it may seem, has its role. Wasps for example keep other insects in check by hunting them. In human created environments like cities or farms, it becomes a nuisance to a large problem, because of the lack of balance. No natural predator for rats in a city leads to overpopulation etc. The same way humans are unrivaled on this earth, with it's only real danger being each other or something like Corona.
@@nga5238 uhh how about American cockroachs and other invasive species rodents like rats and squirrels cause a lot of damaged and how about mosquitoes and parasites that can kill whole colony of bees and others cove 19 is a biological problem not man-made if it is how.
The debate set aside, you can clearly see that when the lady's argument was falling apart she clearly started a defence mechanism by talking over him, speaking loudly and making hypothetical jokes about snakes on planes etc... Whilst I can see she makes some good points, if she could have not made really sarcastic comments on this guy especially who in many videos clearly cannot be provoked. This would have been an enlightening debate. Alas but.
She makes some good points but totally agree, she gets a bit emotionally invested and frustrated and ends up saying some stupid shit. I eat meat but how on earth can she say a vegan diet kills as many animals as not. That is ridiculous and that was the point at which she started to huff and puff too. If she kept a cooler head she would have done better
@@johnvarley4561 im guessing she meant it in a way like say you have 2 domes with the same plantlife and animals in each and the people in the first dome are normal people and the 2nd are vegans theyd kill the same amount of animals with all the plantlife they take away from the animals themselves Thought thatd be the only logical way itd make sense i think
The point she was making was about not killing animals and saying he’d have a different view if he was in danger from the animals. The same way he said she would have a different view if she had to strangle a deer.
Australian here who goes hiking and camping often, I've never wanted to kill a snake. How absurd. They have every right to be here. Mosquitoes on the other hand can bugger off haha.
@@GSRl0gic 1. thats a super messed up and shitty thing to say to anyone even if you disagree with them. 2. im not even a vegan or even a vegetarian. I've grown up on farms and literally raised my food.
I know even if I wasn't a vegan I'd not agree with her because even before going vegan I cared about animals, it's just that my actions weren't consistent with it.
It breaks my heart that she gets to represent even in a small way, what this was supposed to be. That man is intelligent and level headed and honestly I stopped watched the second I saw her pride and attitude get in the way of what could have been an amazing conversation.
“It’s a shame that we’ve changed” Dude, our early ancestors used bash each other with rocks over simple disagreements, our near ancestors used to keep slaves and throughout all of history rape was a thing that also was condoned back in the day. I’m pretty fucking glad that I can go outside and not be brutally murdered and have my decapitated head be displayed on a spear as a sign of my killer’s power.
i dont see how bombing a village with a drone is any better than getting your head bashed in. and theres plenty of cartels decapitating people today so we havent really changed all that much as a species were just better at concealing it.
@@tyrendrake I never said that our society was good, just better than before. She is suggesting to go back to the days when everyone killed everyone else, we had couldn't fight diseases and her idea is completely unsustainable. I think today's situation is better than that. I mean it's not perfect by any means but definitely improving. less than 80 years ago we had the second world war and we nuking each other. I'd say I'd rather live today than back.
@@tyrendrake and we have changed quite a bit. Those things are seen as highly immoral today, unlike back then. You're just focusing on the areas that suit your point if view.
Chesta Gordon there was never a time when everyone was killing everyone. We had tribes back then as well as we have tribes or tribalism today. Sure we have more technology today but back then a sharp piece of bone on a stick was revolutionary to our ancestors. We still kill each other for petty disagreements and all it takes is a look at Syria or the streets of chicago to see that. our core society's are the same as they were back then we just have new problems and new solutions.
torturing animals is wrong, but to eat is not immoral. We are within food change. if you do not follow the food chain, then it will be chaos. Mankind now is using 98% of arable land for food for humans + animals. if you stop eating animals, within 20 years the population of animals will be more then triple. which means need much more food for animals and for longer periods. and if millions of humans stop eating animals, they will need more veg food. it is impossible to have enough food for humans and animals. Millions will starve. is that what you want?
@@muhsin001 How many people actually eat meat caught from the wild? If everyone went vegan, we wouldn't have animal livestock anymore because there would be no point. Wildlife animals would stay the same.
@@muhsin001 There is no suggestion, I'm pointing out that your facts are horribly wrong. I'm also pointing out that there's no point in producing animals when there's no point in using them. If domestic farm animals are released into the wild, they will be dead within a year.
FatHedgie He already had been, they went at it on morning TV. He was pretty brash but he was doing the best he could in the 7 minutes they were on air and the panel stacked against him
FatHedgie joey is great to be fair but I think Ed educates joey is more blunt and to the point so it’s which approach someone prefers. It’s either joeys “you’re a murderer you’re part of the process of raping animals” or Ed’s “they’re sentient and you morally can’t justify it” joey does say some of the stuff Ed does but it’s a lot more blunt 😂 I do love both ways to be honest
@@nonimportantcreature4744 the women is the unrehearsed because she is speaking from her point of view and the vegan guy is rehearsed because he spoke like every vegan you will likely come across.
As soon as she said that she wonders if vegans are de-evolved people, the grounds for civility was lost. What kind of comment was that? It was entirely unnecessary and just showed that she has no respect for the other person in the argument.
Pili- Pala isn’t it a well known fact once we started to cook meat our brains started to grow significantly because we processed the nutrient most efficiently through meat
You misunderstand her context. She's wondering if it will devolve us. It's a valid thought. Meat played a crucial role in the evolution of our brain. Cooked meat specifically.
the length of time is a moot point, she probably picked the number out of her arse. Clearly she was talking about humans going backwards because our modern eating habits are enough to keep us alive but not for running that extra mile (mainly because we dont need to as a species in the modern age)
theadam22 if someone is in immediate danger, sure. If a mosquito is trying to bite me which could lead to horrible infections or if a snake is about to bite and potentially kill myself or a loved one, it’s self defence, just like it would be vs a human. There is a big difference between that and going out and killing an animal for fun, or for food when you have plenty of other options. If killing for food isn’t necessary it’s for fun.
@theadam22 I think it's acceptable to kill a snake if they are attacking you or a loved one, it's self defense. The same is true if a human attacks you or a loved one. Why is it okay to kill a mosquito but not a deer? Well for starters there is a massive sentience difference and therefore a massive difference in moral value in my view. Deer are mammals so we know they are almost certainly sentient and have a capacity to experience well being, but there isn't any compelling evidence as far as I know that mosquitoes or insects in general are sentient to any appreciable degree and if that's the case they wouldn't have moral value in my view. Not to mention that mosquitoes are incredibly dangerous as they can carry all manner of diseases and actively try to bite you, whereas you'd have to go out of your way to kill a deer, they are not a threat.
Vegan Aussie here too and what a far stretch that was. If anything, I think more Aussies (from the country) know how to live around snakes and spiders etc without needing to kill them on site. We use the hose to spray away brown snakes out the back of our place and I pick up spiders and take them out. Little dudes being dudes.
@@buffybuff992 This is curious when pests are problems brought in by humans. I'm unsure what how I feel about killing pests as they're just doing what they're doing. But Rabbits compete against the local fauna way hard as rabbits are used to eating and breeding as quickly as possible, having many predators about. Whereas here in Aus, many mammals have lived for so long without any real large predator about and so, live a far more laid back easier life. This then makes it hard when rabbits ravage the land so quickly that the locals can't keep up. It's a horrible situation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_level#Biomass_transfer_efficiency basically says that each step of the food chain is only about 10% efficient. We need to feed roughly 10x as many calories to livestock than we get back out. So yeah, the farming of plants isn't entirely death-free, but to claim that vegans kill "just as many animals as omnivores" is insanity.
@@emilange883 Uhhh they live on paddocks free and happy.....eating grass. Then are sent to the abattoir to be processed. I think we could question the method of slaughter yes. Halal is not peaceful the animals cower in fear, the blood riddled with fear is drained and sold to god knows where. The methods wrong.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE check out Earthling Ed’s videos. He’s the most patient and understanding person I’ve ever seen. He’s really educated and articulate and I just love him
If you 3atch him you will become a Vegan, or at least come to realise that you can't live an ethically consistent life without being one. I know several people who are philosophers, deeply ethical people, who spent a bit of time investigating this issue, realised eating meat could not be justified, and became vegan that instant.
Talking crop deaths? There’s 70 billion livestock and 7 billion of us on this planet atm. And they eat more calories than we do. Do we not count the crop deaths for all the animal feed for those 70 billion or...?
The crop deaths stem for pesticides and large combine harvesters that kill small animals while harvesting. That logic only also extends to factors farming, not hunting wild animals nor grass finished cows that graze. Just saying.
Frank Lance right but i think talking about a tiny fraction of what most people consume is missing the big picture. 99% of meat/dairy/eggs are sourced from factory farms. And even if i agreed hunting attributes to less harm, if we all became hunters all of those elk, deer, boar etc would be extinct in a heart beat. And to note, intent matters. I know billions of people drive cars but vegans aren’t saying we should hold people accountable for driving over insects.
@@pphils14 "right but i think talking about a tiny fraction of what most people consume is missing the big picture." I mean this is literally hunter vs vegan. The hunter would be the one that is hunting wild animals who do not get food from mass harvesting or from crops that have pesticides on them. "99% of meat/dairy/eggs are sourced from factory farms." more like 95%, but OK. extension.psu.edu/grass-fed-beef-production "And even if i agreed hunting attributes to less harm, if we all became hunters all of those elk, deer, boar etc would be extinct in a heart beat." Maybe, but I am going to use the same response vegans use. We don't expect everyone to start hunting instantly(if it was proportional then the ecosystem would probably be able to adjust but who knows. There is also the potentiality for grass finished alongside that in large production as a control variable). Vegan use the same response when someone asks "what is going to happen to all the factory farmed animals if everyone just became vegan". They also say that it won't happen because everyone will go vegan gradually, apparently. The thing is, you don't have to have everyone hunting. We just know that on an individual level, if someone goes hunting it causes less net animal deaths than if they were to purchase harvested crops. This might fall apart if everyone did it, but not on the individual level as it is now, and not everyone is going to go hunting. The only actual way you are going to get away from crop deaths is through veganic farming and vertical farming, which is nowhere near widespread enough for it to be tenable for that many people. Once you get that then the crop deaths argument can actually be countered. "And to note, intent matters." There is just as much intent in the scenario. If you are rationally aware that your actions do in fact cause more net deaths, and there is a solution that DOES NOT require those net deaths and you choose NOT to do that solution, then you are intending to do an action which knowingly causes more deaths. There is only a lack of intent in an irrelevant sense. For instance, if I go to outback steakhouse, I am not intending for more animals to get killed and exploited. All I am intending is to eat the already pre-killed/pre-exploited product. It is anti-vegan not because I have no intent for the consequence, but because it is a known fact that my actions are in fact increasing that likelihood of animal cruelty and exploitation and that I could choose not to do so long term(i.e. practicable). My intent isn't relevant in respect to veganism. "I know billions of people drive cars but vegans aren’t saying we should hold people accountable for driving over insects." They should be if the reason they are driving cars is not for survival or health, such as with leisure activities, because if they are doing it on that reason then they are not excluding as far as is possible and practicable all ways in which they contribute to cruelty and exploitation of animals, as their actions knowingly increase that risk, and is entailed by the ideology. www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism This is a case of vegan hypocrisy, where they judge some people for not following their ideology in one situation, but not another. People don't need to care about the vegan ideology if the do not subscribe to it, but you guys do, and the contradiction here is plain to see.
If 1 kg of plants had 30 insects, then a vegan would kill 30 insects per 1kg of plants. It takes 16kg of plants to make 1kg of meat. By that logic, a meat eater kills 480 insects AND a cow. They just don't think thoroughly enough.
And as if they themselves dont eat vegetables and grain that cause crop death. I mean thats cool I guess if they dont somehow, but thats unattainable to the 7 billion + humans.
You've also got to think when crops are being harvested 1000's of small animals like field mice get literally ripped apart by combine harvesters, which is a much more horrific death than most animals that are farmed get.
@@nootnoot5342 majority of cereal crops are used to feed cattle. Look at where most of the soybeans go, it ain't sauce. Big macrofarms like that aren't sustainable anyway we need to switch to a decentralised permaculture system.
Its always cute when some meat eater brings some point of view or argument to the table that Ed hasn't heard or countered thousands of times at epic levels so deep and well researched that there is no retort, no comeback or argument that will ever stump him or rattle him out of his Jesus-like patience.
Does she know that most of the farmed crops (that in her words, are killing millions) are being used to feed the animals that are going to be slaughtered?
@d darko yes, this is true. But the land used to grow this food for livestock, not to mention the land destroyed in order to create fields and factories, adds up to far more than what a vegan uses.
@ D darko Not to mention all of the feed that humans can’t consume.. we can easily start planting food we can consume in the land that’s already available as we make that gradual change.
@@PauIdenino I mean. That would just be doing it like they did a long long time ago. It's not about killing them right now but when they get exhausted after hours on hours.
Fun fact the teeth structure is part of the evolution, and well, it's cuz if the eating habits. Being able to digest milk as adults is cuz of evolution too. Evolution is linked to the diet my friend, the monke part was a joke but that's true that vegans and non vegans will evolve differently
@@roshsiddiqui8745 vegans won't evolve differently since they can't reproduce. Every single vegan, if they never cheat, goes infertile after a few years of the diet. Hell, there are literally vegan period loss compilations. Now you may point out that there are vegans who have children, yeah, but they were only vegans for a few months or years, every long term vegan becomes infertile. There are no vegan people in history, there is no vegan family that lived for more than one generation even though the movement officially exists for at least 100 years.
@@The-eo4lj Vegans who lose their periods are those who go on insane versions of the diet like fruitarianism or raw veganism. It's caloric restriction. If you read about the topic, caloric restriction/overtraining can cause period loss. There is no scientific literature to suggest that fertility is a problem in vegans. Please kindly stop speaking out of your ass.
@@mmmmmmmmmmm111 Yeah that's why the movement exists for over a hundred years and there still hasn't been a life long vegan that reproduced Please kindly don't breed
she contradicts herself because he throws jabs at her with words, be little's her, he says things like you wont shoot a dog but a baby dear okay... i thought know one else noticed she contradicted.
@@sebastiaocunhareis925 I am also waiting on the day that we don't have to eat plants and can just artificially make the nutrients we need from rocks and chemical processes. Amazing that we share this particular opinion. I know that that isn't your actual opinion.
@@sebastiaocunhareis925 well if that's something that truly concerns you, then the only moral option would to become vegan. Farm animals eat a lot more plants a day than a vegan does, so logically there are a lot more pesticides and fertilizers used to grow crops that are eaten by farm animals than for direct human consumption. So reducing your consumption of meat and dairy also reduces the amount of substances used on crops. 70% of worldwide agriculture is used to feed farm animals, how many fertilizers, pesticides and killed insects do you imagine that amounts to?
@Vodoo Child why would you write something so disrespectful and promoting violence? As you might even be a vegan (I am, btw) you should write something like this even less...
@@cheesyboi1767 I'm a grown up and I will not stop to try to make the internet a better and safer place for everyone. But thanks for the suggestion:). Unfortunately it's still a very long way to go till people can respectfully disagree with eachother.
I wouldn't say that she relied upon jokes. She used facts such as overpopulation and population checks which is a genuine thing that even humanity suffers yet brute forces it's way through. Interestingly too a fact I never considered is that aphids are living beings too which will die through crop consumption. I think she wasn't great at arguing points no doubt about that and was a little but rude but I could sense they at least respected each other
@@manswounded1677 well yeah because animals take up way more space to farm and take way more grain and resources, but because of animal rights? Idk. I don't agree.
Julian Meissner it’s illegal to but some people in the middle of no were do because it’s that or die (nearest place to get anti venom is hours away) but that’s very rare
@@cynicalidealist11 such a shame he has to lie to talk to her like this, first few sentences was a lie, well the whole thing but sure, shredded, more like make a fool of himself
no he didn't, has she pointed out ethical veganism is inherently hypocritical. He said, veganism is a reduction in harm. Would anybody say, a rapist who started raping less is now moral? no. Morality and ethics don't play into a person's survival and eating meat is an act in survival. People need to ask themselves, is it unethical to kill something and eat it? Why are plants different from animals? Humans have to eat living or recently deceased things to survive. We can't eat rocks to gain energy. I think most reasonable vegans could agree that over consumption and waste of animal products is worse than eating animal products responsibly. IMO, eat whatever diet you want but put your effort toward more practical efforts. America has more vegans and vegetarians than ever before and we actually produce more meat than ever. We just export it now which further increases carbon emissions. Cut the waste, end capitalism, improve healthcare and mental health. That's how you end meat eating and factory farming. Not telling people they are awful for eating the food their grandma cooked for them.
I'm 35 and have been vegetarian since 14. I've had about 12 years of my life being told by sheep I need to eat meat to live. Last couple of years veganism has become mainstream I'm now being told by the same sort of people having milk in my tea means I hate animals.
@@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689 I can understand that this must be quite frustrating. Good for you that you've been vegetarian for so many years! My question is: Why are you vegetarian? Is it because you don't like meat or because you don't want animals to die for your food? In case you don't want them to die, it'd be logical to also abstain from milk since in order to produce milk, you have to breed cows and once they have reached their end of productivity, they are killed. So in the end, animals are killed just the same.
@@sd7785 no wait a min im sure i agreed with your comments i wrote that to someone else and now cant even see it on my end ? if you love animals then good on you im just a animal lover lol not sure why the comment was sent to you ?
@@highlander200268 so are dogs and cats. Don't see you eating them. Also, bambi was shown to be a sentient and thinking being. You have no right to eat bambi in the same way I don't have a right to kill and eat you just because I've been a collegiate wrestler and BJJ competitor for 4 years. Just because I have the means to do something gives me no justification for the actual act.
@@dravenwag some countries do eat dogs and cats, nothing wrong with that.. gotcha shown to be sentient, please show science of this (which you wont) i have asked a few times for evidence you shown none.. you can try to kill me, might not be to easy, but welcome to try
@@highlander200268 I have a higher chance of beating the shit out of you and hurting you than you do me. I've done cage fighting and wrestling and BJJ. Also yes there is something wrong with that, you dope. Eating sentient beings is wrong. That's why cannibalism is wrong. The only problem here is that you have the empathy levels of a three year old who thinks they're the only self on the planet.
@@highlander200268 on top of that, dhow me scientific evidence that you feel pain and aren't just a mindless biological philosophical zombie carrying out the motions of somebody who feels. Prove you exist.
Not even just vegans, most Australians in general are in admiration and awe of snakes. People are beginning to appreciate rather than destroy more and more often.
@@danielantony1882 There is no such thing as devolution. Only evolution, change. If plants are abundant and prey tastes like shit, it may evolve an intolerance to animal-based proteins.
@@danielantony1882 Evolution is simply the changes in heritable characteristics over countless generations. It is adaptive to our environment and increases our chance of survival, we are at a point where we rationalise, make moral (or mostly immoral) decisions and can steer our own evolution. Becoming a herbivore is evolution, regardless of whether you think it's an adaptive or maladaptive change - personally I'd say considering it's far better for the planet to be vegetarian/vegan, so it helps our survival a lot more than remaining omnivorous or being carnivorous.
About two weeks ago, I thought vegans were all crazy, and then I saw a few videos by CosmicSkeptic and Earthling Ed (The vegan in the video) and I completely changed my perception, and I'm becoming a vegan activist. I highly recommend you check out his channel, and try to approach veganism in a logical way, and I'd be willing to bet you'd be "converted".
@@raskolnikov3799 "I saw a few videos by CosmicSkeptic and Earthling Ed and I completely changed my perception, and I'm becoming a vegan activist." Why don't you just get a life?
Skylar Oler I’m so glad this made you change the way you thought about vegans! Good luck on your journey 💗 there’s lots of lovely people in the vegan community on youtube and twitter if you need any help, food inspo or more information :)
Um its actually not i live here and ive seen multiple people shoot and decapitate snakes. They really are a deadly thing in Australia my mum was bitten twice and my grandma was bitten 3 times. Luckily survived due to modern medicine but no it is not frowned upon. Unless you are talking about non venomous because no one really bothers non venomous snakes.
@@zakariafadli4996 "Bullshit, unless you live in a remote island and you live alone you will eat meat in other places such as social events." So I guess the vegans also eat meat on social events then, right? Because it is impossible to say 'I only eat X and Y' ... What bullocks ...
I went pesco-veggie 6 months ago for a week trial. I never thought in a million years I could cut meat out for a day never mind a week. It was a dare/challenge and all I can say I felt amazing even through withdrawal. I had more energy and slept better. I enjoy veg and appreciate it more now. I have a long way to go on my diet but I want to make the effort. I have no plans at the moment to go full vegan but at least 90/95% of my meals are.
Awesome. I experienced the same going full on vegan overnight four years ago. Sleep way better, more energy and more stamina. I also actually enjoy food way more now.
In the exact moment she said the word "devolution" she revealed how little she knows about actual evolution, therefore how she thinks what's natural or not is discredited.
@@randomicallyrandom They didn't "devolve" into shorter versions. The only reason a trait such as shortness is selected for is if it's advantageous to the fitness of the creature. In the case of animals becoming shorter over time, that's just evolution, a forward change into a new version of themselves. Evolution doesn't mean you get stronger, faster, or smarter, it just means you change over time. I have no idea what devolution would mean, maybe evolving backwards in time? Even if an animal began to turn into a form that is more like one of it's ancestors, it would still be called evolution.
@@Cheesewiz247 You have a point. I know that animals simply adapted to the environment in which they lived. It's true, a "devolution" can be seen in two ways: the animal has become physically weaker or has returned to what it was before evolving into what it is today. In evolution there is always an equivalent exchange, something is lost and something new is gained in return. Strong and weak are two relative things, you are right.
@@randomicallyrandom I'm glad we had a civil conversation! I could see the term being used accurately if an animal evolved into a form that is similar to one of it's ancestors, but I think that would be a very unlikely occurrence. They'd likely turn into something new, and change some features but keep others.
You are not a carnivore. Carnivores hunt and kill their prey. They eat raw brains, eyeballs, hair, intestines, ligaments and assholes. You don't do any of that. Educate yourself.
Less ._. This guys and his goons once harassed me and my whole family in the street just cause they though we are wearing fur. I say he is as bad as any 2 faced politician with his own agenda.
I started doing a lot of my own research after this vid and for 1001 reasons in cutting down on meat and maybe eventually give it up for good. I’ve stopped dairy too.
She is so self-entitled, interrupting all the time, and to be honest she is simply annoying. It doesn't matter the topic, having a conversation with someone that closed-minded must be frustrating.
I mostly agree with him but it's a shame that vegans have this stupid blond spot about the need to kill animals because of overpopulation and invasive species. it really does come down to the ecosystem and wellbeing of other species over the life of some deer
@@jackward6726 Vegans want to find other ways to manage ecosystems less barbaric than shooting its inhabitants. Imagine applying this logic in a human context... Human beings are destroying the earth but we don't justify mass killing them to save the planet
@@veganworldorder9394 Well then vegans clearly aren't interested whatsoever in ecology or ecosystem management. What does "want to find other ways" mean? Round them up and bring the animals somewhere else? It's not only impossible but would probably be more cruel than just killing them. Shooting and poisoning isn't any less barbaric than what they experience in the wild, it protects species and the ecosystem as a whole, which is a cause more noble and practical than simply refusing to kill. You can't just apply the morality of human society to animals and call that logic.
@@jackward6726 No. It just means that vegans are interested in not killing conscious being (dear in this case). "Want to find other way" means finding methods that don't involve shooting conscious being. I can understand that it does not currently exist though. Well yes you can. Why killing dear to protect the environment is ok but killing humans to protect the environement is not ok ?
@@veganworldorder9394 you talk about morals like they're universal laws. They're a series of trade offs that will always have contradictions. Is it always wrong to kill? What about to win a war for the greater good? You would consider it immoral to not stop a murder if you saw one about to happen right? So would you intervene if you saw two wild animals of the same species killing each other? I can play at that game too. It's a gross oversimplification to just say, well it's immoral to kill a human so it's immoral to kill an animal. And I think it's wrong to judge those who have to make the sometimes difficult call that the health of an environment or other species is more important than the life of individual animals. Sometimes people have to make that call when it comes to human lives vs the greater good as well but we simply set the bar higher for our species, not just because we're applying different moral standards but because we have systems (laws, technology, philosophy) that make it possible. In pro modern times those trade offs were harsher, it wasn't considered the job of government to help the sick in a pandemic for example, not because leaders were less moral then but because they didn't have the ability to help so it wasn't expected. In nature those systems don't apply or just make things worse.
There’s this weird vibe coming from her like she knows some people don’t agree with her choices, and she enjoys that. Smiles cheekily when told she’s the villain in the Disney movie. She loves it! Pretty gross.
@@Tiny_Boats_And_Bikes well thats just stupid not only is getting a clean headshot probable if your in a hunting blind or in a tree most animals tend to slow down after being shot (except boars because of their natural shielding and giant bones) a quick follow up shot would be easy and you'd be suprised at how quickly animals die especially if your using hollow points or rounds that offer extra wound channels (except possums which for some reason are pretty much zombie rats)
@@mello.b3373 You literally are suffering from cognitive dissonance, and the fact that you do not agree with a single point and dismiss ALL his arguements shows it. If you went on his youtube channel, he has A LOT of videos regarding this.
@@mello.b3373 Veganism is a movement for animal Justice and for helping the envirornment. Veganism is Awesome for the envirornment and is healthy for a human. The American dietetic association has said it... FACTS!! you are the one being brainwashed by the meat and dairy industry
@@mello.b3373 You're honestly deluded if you think vegans are brainwashed, indoctrinated and brain damaged, and you shouldn't be allowed to use the internet.
@@mello.b3373 The problem is that I could cherrypick and send 10 sources back, that prove the opposite. For what it is, I'll certainly have a look at your sources. What does bother me is the fact that you could not agree with a SINGLE point of Ed's, and dismissed them entirely. THAT is the true definition of cognitive dissonance.
@@mello.b3373 *"Ed has never presented a "fact" in his life when it comes to veganism. All lies, misinformation, propaganda and pseudoscience."* Doesn't seem like your point had any context, other than that Ed has never presented a fact. You then claimed that ALL he has done is lie.
I was a fisherman for 25 years. There aren't many people that have tortured and killed more animals than me. However, if meat isn't a necessity for us, why would we torture and kill animals for it? I've been vegan for a few months now 🌱
Yeah because y one in 8 billion people not eating meat is going to make a different and y tortured fish for 25 years and think being a vegan is going to redeem y piss of y stupid bastard
It kind of is depending on how big the population is if it gets to big that can lead to the lack of resources for the rest but thats why natural predators exist they do a better job keeping in check than we do because we kill more than what we need
she's technically correct in most peoples' versions of diets meat/animal products are incredibly nutrient dense compared to plantstuffs... if you remove all animal nutrition as vegans do then you are by definition vastly increasing the required plant nutrition .. plants are generally very poor in terms of nutrient density/bioavailability, which further increases the requirement for variety/volume all crops have huge numbers of associated death/animal suffering/ecological+watersystem damage with them... you can improve some aspects of this quite a bit by sourcing organic/local crops, but you still have plenty of animal death/suffering via many routes... even just "crop protection" deaths alone eclipse any sort of animal ethics issues that can come from eating naturally raised ruminants You will notice ed specifically mentions "aphids" in relation to crop production, but this is a deflection tactic, ed KNOWS that MANY other forms of small animals are routinely culled in the production of crops, since they are competing for the herbivorous foods (and as mentioned, whilst "crop protection" is a large number/variety of deaths/suffering, it's the tip of the iceberg - veganism is far worse for animal ethics than responsible meat eating ever could be) pastebin.com/AvVxBAxU
@@aniccax6953 I mean, except for the fact meat eaters are killing all of those small animals too when they eat corn and grain fed meat. The killing is still happening when the food is farmed, they're just doing it farther down the food chain.
@@heidilinder3443 animals, especially ruminants should not be fed that garbage, neither should we.. (even though "animal feed" is typically byproducts of grains/legumes that aren't destined for human consumption primarily) but yes, there will always be some life/death in the cycle, that's kind of the point... regardless of what you eat or how well you source it Both crop and factory farming of animals on mass scales has become extremely unsustainable , I'm just saying that going vegan isn't the answer, quite the contrary. Many vegetarians/vegans end up eating much more of those mass monocropped plants/grains/legumes since they have taken out all of the actually bioavailable/dense sources of nutrition out of their diet. It would make much more sense to include well sourced animal products if the goal is animal ethics/environmentalism... or health for that matter. So why do all these vegans who eat the monocropped garbage look down upon animal-product eaters, when they're likely doing the same kinds of damage or worse, than the worst meat eaters... it's nonsense and it seems the only way to truly create any shift in the industries/ethics questions, is to start taking our money away from monocropping/animal factory farming and instead funding local regenerative farmers who are respectful of lifes' balances.. and so, definitely including those micronutrient dense, bioavailable animal foods and garnishes of plants, both/all sourced well.
I am so happy to see everyone rooting for Ed in these comments! Such a talented guy, so well spoken, excellent at reasoning and keeping his debater open minded by making sure she know’s that he is agreeing with some of her points. I aspire to be able to have his patience to talk to people about these things and be able to put across properly informed points that really make them take a step back and think about their actions. Go Ed! 🙌🏻 Reading your book at the moment!
Bob Smith I dont think its a matter of the content spoken, its just the calm controlled and open-minded approach at having a conversation about this. A lot of vegans and non-vegans will get really heated and irrational in conversations like this
Yeah don’t let her be a reflection of all hunters. She was pretty rude and passive aggressive and refused to keep an open mind and see things from both sides of the spectrum.
The circling of the glass at the end from her was her stalling because she didn't want to say the opposite of him, I don't trust people like that, be real.
I disagree. Clearly, a lot of people are unaware just how many cute baby bunnies, field mice, squirrels, and other types of rodents get ground up and killed via commercial harvesters before we even start discussing the pesticides used on crops. Let's also try to remember that this woman hunts her own food. She is not eating some sort of factory-farmed, corn- and soy-eating animals; she's hunting them in the wild. Ergo, when she kills a deer, it's just the deer that is killed, not a cow, and the rodents killed in harvesters, and the bugs that were killed by pesticides, etc., etc. So, yes, ethically sourced meats reduce the harms far more than a vegan diet ever will.
@@thatbleepingfeminist you are comparing large-scale veggie farming with small-scale meat hunting. It would be more fair to compare the murder of that deer with the potato crop and four apple trees in my grandfather's backyard
@that bleeping feminist I'd say a lot of vegans are well aware of animals being killed while harvesting crops. Although I'm vegan, I'm not necessarily against slaughtering animals and eating their flesh because there are cultures that raise just enough animals to feed their communities or there are places that are simply not suitable for growing crops and the lives of people depend on livestocks, but I'm rather against the factory farming which is the source of meat for most of the population. And what you call "ethically sourced meat" is far from sustainable, and comparing commercial harvesters vs individual hunter who hunter for her own food is absolute nonsense. I never intend to be perfect, I'm just trying my best to reduce the harm that I'm causing.
Not killing someone unnecessarily is just common decency, So should we respect common decency, or should we expect common decency. Being vegan is simply showing common decency towards all, regardless of their species.
I’m actually impressed that they found the most hunter looking vegan and most vegan looking hunter
This made my night thanks for the laugh
Nah that dudes a vegan all the way😂. Who I thought was a vegan and hunter on the thumbnail turned out to be the case. Although I can see your point with his long hair and mustache maybe? But he just looks too similar to modern young men in modern societies, and non surprisingly a vegan one😂
I know a lady who hunts for the meat, who's best friends argument is "why it's available at the grocery store?" He doesn't understand overpopulation of said animals, yet the twist is, she processes the meat but doesn't eat it.. Anyone else have a perspective on this ?
@@tfxchronotfx2488 How they treat the animals is absolutely disgusting and they keep them in captivity spoiling their meat while the animals are living in constant anxiousness. It's making me want to cry now even writing about it. That meat is such low quality from before it's even processed because of all the stress on the animal. Then by the time we buy it in the store not only has animal cruelty occured but we are lowering our own health, and own standards by consuming that terrible meat. It's not good for the animals, or for us. Hunting or buying meat from hunters is really the only morally high approach to it. I haven't had the luxury of being able to do this yet, I'm only 20 and just barley moved out of moms🤣. But defintiely plan to do this in my future. We were meant to eat meat, they're here partially to be eaten by predators, and we just happen to be one of those predators, but the way it's done is allll fucked up. And yes the overpopulation thing is VERY important as well to understand for people who are vegan, and against people that eat meat.
@@curiosityl.6261 Awesome perspective, much love... thank you so much
If anyone is interested in watching more debates (I would recommend heading over to watch the InfoWars one) you can find plenty on my TH-cam, where you can also find these topics being discussed more thoroughly.
If you also want to find out what’s happening to animals right now in the UK, you can watch the documentary 'Land of Hope and Glory', and see exactly what it is that you’re funding through your purchases.
Huge fan of your work!! Thank you for everything that you do for the animals. Myself and my family have made the transition and gone vegan during lockdown.
Thanks for representing, Ed.
Keep going my man.
Everyone and everything will die regardless and even worse... Nothing ethical about dying....
Ed this for you is all but making millions out of this cult called veganism
@@ed.winters You lost this debate big time
She literally says vegans are the de evolution of man and then right after goes on to say “if I had my way we would be living in caves” 😂
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Well the diseases of civilisational ain't that great. Even diseases like coronavirus and influenza came about because of the domestication of animals (our first steps away from a hunter gatherer existence).
chad kasten bro hunting and gathering is a thing of the past. There is no need to get food like that anymore. You will see in future, it will be very rare for people to be eating animals. The technology in vegetarian foods, that look, feel and taste exactly like meat, is improving at an incredible rate. Meat will become a thing of the past, and hunter and gathering been more so
thats blondes for ya :D
Yea, not the smartest comment...
They definitely cut out Ed’s explanation of why a vegan diet kills less animals overall… the majority of crops we grow are for animal consumption - if we cut down on animal farming it would also cut down on overall land use.
What would happen to that livestock though? If everyone went vegan? Introducing cows, pigs and chickens into the wild would devastate most ecosystems
@@louismayne6684 There is no natural number for domesticated animals, if the world went vegan they would all go extinct, and quickly. We have removed their defenses, they are curious instead of fearful, they serve no purpose to any ecosystem outside of humanity
@@tenkenroo the whole world wont go vegan overnight. its more about supply and demand, less and less people will eat meat and the overall number of livestock around the world will decrease. They will go extinct or live on sanctuaries rather than being intorduced into the wild.
@@louismayne6684 die out quickly? Have you not seen the result of domestic pigs hybridizing with introduced boar in the southern US? They're one of the most significant ecological threats in that region. There's also feral chicken living along a them, that were once ancestrally domestic.
Released domestic cattle would threaten native bison through competition, and hybridization.
Released goats cause ecological havoc on the Galapagos islands, why wouldn't they have the same effect anywhere else?
No, domestic animals won't immediately die out, some will adapt and potentially cause great harm. We're still battling them decades later, and we're losing with some of them. This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.
@@haydenschwab5313 did I say that? No. Learn reading comprehension.
It's almost as if Ed has thought everything through and then settled on his choice of what to eat. Rather than making a choice and then trying to justify why
That's what vegans do. Don't start with the conclusion!
Well he's actually done all of what u described lol.
@Chewupthenswallow Your comment looks cynical, dishonest and condescendant
@@JustAsk1312 Actually, a big amount of them do it cause its hip
@@Ridisword Except you don’t know any irl but sweeping generalisations are your ‘thing.’
"You say it's like a Disney movie, but you'd be the bad guy in that Disney movie" I'm a meat eater but holy shit that was good
I eat meat too and I won't stop eating meat but she says "I wouldn't have shot the deer" but she hunts deer.....so wtf is she trying to say? She wouldn't shoot talking deer?
If you're curious, you should check out this short documentary made by the guy in the video: th-cam.com/video/dvtVkNofcq8/w-d-xo.html . It's extremely eye opening and worth watching. Or just have a look at some of Earthling Ed's other videos.
@@ok4412 Have a look at this: th-cam.com/video/dvtVkNofcq8/w-d-xo.html
Humans becoming smart due to meat consumption is just an absurd theory. "If eating meat or hunting stimulated brain development then the carnivores would have the biggest brains, and they don't. Which is why if you have a dog he still drinks from the toilet. They're not very bright".
th-cam.com/video/nS2_Q1NY8nU/w-d-xo.html
@@ok4412 right, and thats a problem with a lot of meat eaters, they are inconsistent in their actions and beliefs. She hunts deer but then all of a sudden if its bambis mom she wouldnt have shot the deer? At least vegans are consistent.
She does know that evolution takes longer than 20 years right?
@The Biocentrist Vegan what?
She doesn't.
The Biocentrist Vegan what?
Trust me on this one guys, we’re about to be swingin on these branches come 2040! Can’t wait! #MonkeyLifeBestLife
you do know that evolution was made up right?
I'm always blown away by Ed's patience and non-judgemental attitude during vegan conversations.
Literally read your comment and looked to the screen at 00:08 lmao. Love Ed
It's a shame he spreads such garbage information that will make a ton of people unhealthy and sick.
@@rossw2243 Exactly. This dude is gonna look back in 25 years and realise he made maybe... MAYBE 0.2% difference.
@@xfatalxzero meat doesn't cause chronic disease buddy. It's carbohydrates and vegetable oils that do. Eat a steak and get healthy.
He tried to kill someone
Fact: Killing snakes in Australia is actually illegal.
Unless they are trying to attack you. Then it is legal.
To anyone who are confuse to this statement. Check this out~: "It is an offence under the National Parks and Wildlfe Act to kill or remove a snake from its environment." Meaning it's illegal to kill or remove a snake from their "ENVIRONMENT", not when they are attacking at your house.
@@spannersandgrease yes, don't purposely put on a plane 🤔
@@ayie583 IF they're a threat, often they escape. Also, she mentioned an airplane full of them... Vegans still fight/kill if attacked. Look at Gorillas or Hippos, they're both vegan, yet they kill if attacked.
@@coffeefixation Exactly. They are often try to escape or avoid to make any contact with human. But if one of them are being aggressive for some reason, be sure to defend yourself. Stay safe, my friend. Cheers!
Ed has to stop calling himself a vegan bc he just slaughtered this woman
@@mello.b3373 you're wrong on so many levels its laughable.
He didn’t eat her tho
Mello.B33 „morals, ethics and other nonsense“. That says it all
@@mello.b3373 delusional 🤦🏽♂️
@@mello.b3373 I agree with that there's nothing wrong about killing animals for food. It's the food chain. And, meat IS dense with macronutrients. But, why is veganism delusional or illogical? Veganism is a choice that is not that logically wrong. Some plants have proteins and fats that can sustain a human, given the right amount and type of plant. If you're saying veganism isn't viable in the food chain meta, then you're (somewhat) wrong. We are of the omnivore consumer class. We can eat whatever we want, fellow human main.
I’m not vegan but this guy seems really reasonable and I respect him a lot.
Rishee Sreenivasan
Well that’s over used but I still laugh
Yep at least better than those who who would force others into changing their life style to fit their ideology
Indrid cold
I know right! Those I have no problem with those people, but when you force or try to convince someone to do the same that’s when it’s messed up
Rishee Sreenivasan
Forcing death is normal for a literal million years since evolution existed, sure those farm houses are messed up and I agree with that, but using the term ‘educating’ us non vegans gives seems a little harsh? Anyways, Telling someone to change isn’t wrong, but we didn’t ask for advice nor do we need it. So I think it”d be better off to just chill and you what you’re doing, and I do what I’m doing and just be friends :3
i respect him, but i think he’s a knobhead at the same time lmaoo
How Ed didn’t burst out laughing at the devolution comment, freaking hilarious 😂
3:53 - first time in all his debates has he nearly broke and laughed 😆
@@brookstringer7384 can you eat your plant without being annoying? Dry some egs
@@brookstringer7384 try some egs,milk and good meat
@@romanianhustler3309 haha do you not find it funny how she thinks we would turn back into monekys that's ludicrous
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I'm not even a vegan but this man really handled himself and the situation so well.
I saw it and went “she looks Ausie so hunter and he looks like Jesus so vegan”
Yeah he seems like a really nice and thoughtful guy
@@WeiFinder I mean he might be famous to you but ive never heard of him
@@WeiFinder 'It's Earthling Ed'
That's why we call Ed the Vegan Jesus!
'I often wonder if vegans are like the devolution of man' *2 minutes later* 'If I had my way we'd all go back to living in caves'
Ed isn't just some vegan. He's a vegan activist and animal rights advocate. Also, did they cut out Ed's response to her argument about hunting and the ecosystem? Ed always has a great response to that question when he covers it in his own activism. The way this video was cut makes the situation seem like that question totally caught Ed off guard and he didn't have a good response to it, when in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. If anyone is curious about this, you should go watch some of the debates on Ed Winters' channel, Earthling Ed.
They 100% did cut his response and put a decontextualized surprised face instead, as if he had never discussed this topic innumerours times
This. They didn't leave a single longer answer in. They make it look like he can only argue on the surface level, which couldn't be further from the truth. If this were one of his street interview videos, it wouldn't be cut and all of the hunters arguments would be, as TH-cam so likes it, "destroyed".
@@mello.b3373 Veganism is an important first step in repairing humankind's oppressive relationship with the other animals of this world and make a better world for everyone. In what way do the ideas of veganism go against science?
@@mello.b3373 this is so far away from the truth :D
@@mello.b3373 the good luck with being sick when you are older there is a lot of evidence out there form a lot of studys that a plant based diet is the heathiest and that meat,dairy and eggs are unhealthy you been brainwashed....
This guy is a talented rhetoretician. He could have been a politician, a lobbyist for some giant corporation, a salesman. Instead he is very good at connecting with people and presenting his point of view to educate and hopefully reduce animal suffering. I feel like this is a prime example of using your powers for good.
The guys a bellend
ugh im sure he's either his own boss making a bank from these types of talks, or a plant based company pays him top money...dont thnk hes just some "kind soul" who just happens to do videos on yt for free
@@Red4350 Is it seriously impossible for you to imagine and believe that people can genuinely care about animals and actively try to speak up for them? Your comment says a lot more about you than Ed.
@@snoopredictions ok true maybe i was a little too harsh or judgey, ofc i know ppl care alot about animals its just theres a huge market for this rn and im just not convinced that hes like some saint...some of it comes off to me as pretentious, like ppl giving money to homeless for content...good ppl but if there was nothing it it for them would they really be that caring and passionate ...like you ever see the video of some guy bashing ppl for eating meat but hes passing out and promoting his chocolate bar that contains palm oil, and that actively kills animals too, and when he got called out he got defensive and showed a graph to say that palm oil doesnt kill anything close to the amount of animals that the meat industry does, like caring for animals is legit the easiest angle to take because of how righteous and feel good it is, to me it just seems like a win win for certain types of ppl, they align on the emotionally and ethically just side of an issue so they can line their pockets...idk yo maybe im wrong but im just not convinced when ppl have whole websites aking for donations and sell products ...just look at Eds channel you dont even have to go to his about me to see a huge plastered advertisement for his "best seller" book
nice name btw is that a Phoenix reference?
@@Red4350 I mean, yeah, he definitely makes his living doing activism/youtube thing, but he could easily make more doing something else.
Heck, he could be a more successful youtuber covering literally anything else that's not as unpopular as veganism.
Ed's face when she was saying she needs to manage the deer population herself was like that Willy Wonka meme "Please, tell me more!"
Not by herself, her and other people who do it. And she's not wrong. If they overpopulated they would starve, and other animals would also suffer. Be alot worse than some getting shot in the head every year .
@@Jake-rj6ql this is very true i thought this was a good point because it is the same reason scientifically speaking why certain predators and prey shouldnt be removed or placed into other habitats
@@Jake-rj6ql is that why we farm whitetail deer in the US and clear forests to be more suitable for them to keep up with hunting demand?
@@Jake-rj6ql Let me get this straight. You kill them, and take pictures with you smiling with a gun by their corpse, then remove their biomass from the ecosystem, and your excuse is it prevents them from dying anyway of starvation?
@@jimmierustler5607 I actually don't do any of those things I've never hunted lol.
It’s refreshing to have a guy like Ed lead the charge with all the negative connotations that are attached to the word “vegan.” He’s the perfect example of a man who is trying to educate instead of “win arguments.” He’s very well educated, but he actually has the power to reach people to actually get them to reconsider their position. Many can learn from him. In debates, if you can remain calm, not take or make it personal, and focus on your points while also listening and being open to the fact that the person on the other side of the table may have a valid point...then you will at the very least get them to listen and respect your opinion. When egos get involved, then people stop listening. Really enjoy hearing these discussions. Disagreement does not have to be a heated argument all the time.
He debates extremely well with arguments which are only a partial truth
Well said.
Nah hes one sided and argues stupid points.
@@autisticguitar666 that's a really interesting point. I think that it doesn't necessarily make this comment within itself inaccurate though, which is why I commented again. Lately its always extremes that are almost polar opposites and completely hostile. But everything is complex and requires thought. And its so easy to just identify with a group/idea and refuse to let go of it. I think many people go about living that way and they seem to be the loudest. Here, even if the logic isn't quite there at least it's an actual conversation, instead of passive aggressive and only emotional arguments. That's my take anyway
@@tristanmoses5187 Please state an argument of his you think is stupid.
Also if you're new to Ed, he constantly speaks to people who ate meat and educates them on the process in which that meat is put on their plate, as well what actually goes on in the dairy industry. He ate meat for 22 years or so of his life. He understands both sides because he's been on both sides. He is very clear and concise and his reasoning checks out. Remember just because you don't agree with his points doesn't make them "stupid." You can use your free speech here in a better way and actually pinpoint a point of his you thought was stupid, then list your reasoning as to why it was stupid. Start a conversation. Back it with research. Anyone can come on here and say someone's argument is stupid just because they don't agree with it because it conflicts with their way of living. That is useless though.
Deer have no predators in England because humans hunted out the bears and wolves
Then the sport hunters act like they're doing some civic duty for all of us, when it's' the hunters that created the problem in the first place. Just leave the working ecosystems alone for fucks sake.
Just introduce more bears. lol
And that's on that. You guys should look at what happened at Yosemite when they reintroduced wolves. We have a problem with deer where I am, same story I think, Apex predators are gone bc of human population and buildings everywhere
Wait, there were bears in England?
@Jeroen Arendonk Don't know about bears but wolves don't attack humans unless you feed them or do some other stupid stuff.
I have always failed to understand how "a vegan / plant-based diet kills MORE animals in crop production". Aren't yall eating your vegetables? And crops are used to feed livestock too. We can argue back and forth but pointing vegans as the sole culprits because they eat vegetables...?
Their arguments aren't based in logic and reality. It's sad.
to play the devil’s advocate, she might not, there are some meat-eaters who are on so-called carnivorous diet, eliminating veggies
just look at Mikhaila Peterson
but still, the animals most people eat, eat more crops than a human
Let me explain it for you, vegans claim their diet kills less animals because the amount of animals that die during the food production that is feed to the animal. Using that logic then, meat eaters who feed on meat that is produced without the modern crop production methods would therefore kill less overall animals in their diet. Also using the vegan logic of "the less animals I kill is better" then a diet of low intensity meat production is morally superior to any vegan diet based on the amount of overall lives lost in the production of one's caloric needs.
you're conflicting arguments just like ED... he represents big corp plant based products that kill animals in the process of making their products from using pesticides and machinery and have to clear land and forests to also build upon...so while sure they kill way less than lets say some big animal processing plant, but she's a hunter, she probably doesnt even kill an animal daily compared to a plant farm which probably semi directly/indirectly kills animals daily...so because he advocates for these big corp type products (which imo they pay him well) he just meshes together arguments like she's arguing for some big industrialized animal plant which if you listened to the first min she says shes not for...8:05 he strawmans tf out of her, saying "oh you kill more animals so you're worse" which is one false because shes not some huge animal killing type plant and two he admits that vegan farming kills animals and yet says "oh well we kill less animals so we're better than you" hypocrite
Hilarious! I'm an Australian vegan living in the desert, we have a team of amazing snake catchers here.. if there's a snake on your property they come and collect the snake and transport it back into the wild! We 100% do not advocate killing snakes! This woman speaking on behalf of others is incredibly frustrating.
Thanks for sharing this, I didn't know this. I do have to say, that this argument with snakes and vegans was very poor, and basically a variation of the 'what were you do if you were stranded on an island' argument. Being vegan is about cutting out the unneccessary killings, you could absolutely protect yourself against animals.
I love snakes; they're so cool :)
I rescue animals, and I get snakes more than most others.
Yeah, I can get population control for certain species where reintroducing the natural predators is deemed impossible, but having an animal killed for daring to be near your house and being dangerous is dumb. The advantage of tool use and communication is that we can use these coordinated groups and unorthodox methods to find better solutions to problems. It's what apparently makes us so much better than animals to a lot of people, but we don't seem to use it to benefit the world around us. I like vegetarian ideas and eat mostly veggie myself, because if I can't guarantee the animal was free range and had been treated well before their death then I shouldn't consume their meat. I also consider if I could kill the animal who's meat I'm eating was it placed in front of me, and if I couldn't look at it and kill it, why should I eat it? I was a vegetarian fully for two years, but after going fishing and hunting, I could realistically say that I could eat most meats, barring lamb, veal and meats from young animals, as they haven't had a chance to live a full life before they are killed for meat
I hate snakes 🐍 I hope they go extinct
So like we take out spiders and wasps, when they accidently enter the house.
20 years people, you heard it here first.
Mankinds been devolving sinds adam.
@@m.ockthem9177 that's so true. It's just confusing how you mentioned this in this context which is based on the belief we evolved from animals. 🤔
Obviously she missed her biology class
@@ammarch1319 or she was making a joke? 😅
In this time and age nothing would surprise me. See you on the banana threes guys in 2040
I do live in Australia and snakes are chill as hell, just leave them alone and it will all be good
Until they slither into your house. In the wild you can just leave them be but when they go into suburban houses, that's a problem.
Same here in South America my guy
@slevinlindsay Snakes are chill you just don't fuck with them.
Yep. Snakes are laid back as long as you leave them alone. If you meet one, just don't freak out, and don't step on it, you'll be fine. If you're too freaked out to handle it, get someone else to guide it away from house/garden/whatever. Also if you're so worried about em then snake-proof, it's not hard.
That’s a lie
I’m sure strangling a deer would look very graceful.
😂😂😂 this guy is a legend!
I just got “Woke”. I immediately assumed the woman was the Vegan when I saw the thumbnail for the video. 🤔 self reflection time.
Lol Before clicking I also tried to guess who was whom. I figured the guy had to be the vegan though, because of the long hair and beard.
dude was obviously the vegan you're whack
David Coppens
Don't get "woke" too far or you'll find yourself taking part in riots or standing with a banner "Refugees welcome" in the long run.
really? I could tell straight away, the guy looks unhealthy.
Pavel Kulinich getting “woke” is literally just stop being ignorant and facing the facts.
There’s a reason why Ed won the discussion. She was debating based on opinions & he was debating based on facts, science and agreed human values & morality.
And she is kinda crazy/dumb. I've seen waaay better arguments to defend eating meat than those she gave.
I’ve only watched the first 2 minutes but already it’s not facts he’s stating it’s actually what he believes he says that veganism is a step in the right direction in terms of being more ethical but it’s not veganism has a huge impact on the environment in terms of pollution due to co2 emissions from machines or different fertilisers and herbicides going into the ground it’s not a question about how much animals your harming it’s a question of do you want to hurt big or small animals and the environmental pollution is a question of do you want to directly pollute or just pollute in a way it goes somewhat unseen because too many people blame the likes of cows for pollution they do but what about all the rivers and seas polluted by different herbicides and fertilisers people need to properly research the facts not just what they first see on the internet
@@r_novemberr i eat meat cos i like it. Thats my argument
Nah, she's just an airhead.
@@samallen601 Your writing is horrible, and you are wrong.
Even though they cut out many of Ed's responses, he still handled this "debate" extremely well.
Extremely well for vegan
He's got a very good knack for dealing with discussion and argument and maintains his composure very well.
Maintains composure. Lol you act like she was beating him
Who is he, can I find him anywhere on TH-cam.
Does anyone have his @ or socials?
This isn't even his final form, watch his other debates on animal rights.
@@cynicalidealist11 They’re all equally as bad as this one. There are no logical points being made, it’s all just emotional appeals
I hate how she constantly interrupts him like “OH MY GOD THATS NOT TRUE” without even letting him make his point
She heard it all before.
@@NotHumant8727 When the farmer tills the land for planting it kills tons of rodents etc that nobody cares about. In some areas more farmland reduces habitat, where ranching on a hillside etc you dont need to do anything to the habitat.
@@myrchantkobold8268 70% of crops go to animals, so there would be less deaths if we didnt have to feed them too.
@John Smith i hope you're just trolling be, but as a biologist I can say this is far from true. So this is just some ranty info for anyone interested
Every part of an ecosystem is important, because it resides on a very fine balance, nature can adjust to the removal of let's say bunnies out of a forest, but it removes a huge source of food for foxes, so maybe now they have to mice. This kind of changes can influence the natural selection process etc.
Every life form, how annoying or invaluable it may seem, has its role. Wasps for example keep other insects in check by hunting them.
In human created environments like cities or farms, it becomes a nuisance to a large problem, because of the lack of balance. No natural predator for rats in a city leads to overpopulation etc. The same way humans are unrivaled on this earth, with it's only real danger being each other or something like Corona.
@@nga5238 uhh how about American cockroachs and other invasive species rodents like rats and squirrels cause a lot of damaged and how about mosquitoes and parasites that can kill whole colony of bees and others cove 19 is a biological problem not man-made if it is how.
The debate set aside, you can clearly see that when the lady's argument was falling apart she clearly started a defence mechanism by talking over him, speaking loudly and making hypothetical jokes about snakes on planes etc...
Whilst I can see she makes some good points, if she could have not made really sarcastic comments on this guy especially who in many videos clearly cannot be provoked. This would have been an enlightening debate. Alas but.
I mean, it's a classic. Making jokes about vegans.
She makes some good points but totally agree, she gets a bit emotionally invested and frustrated and ends up saying some stupid shit.
I eat meat but how on earth can she say a vegan diet kills as many animals as not. That is ridiculous and that was the point at which she started to huff and puff too. If she kept a cooler head she would have done better
@@johnvarley4561 im guessing she meant it in a way like say you have 2 domes with the same plantlife and animals in each and the people in the first dome are normal people and the 2nd are vegans theyd kill the same amount of animals with all the plantlife they take away from the animals themselves
Thought thatd be the only logical way itd make sense i think
The point she was making was about not killing animals and saying he’d have a different view if he was in danger from the animals. The same way he said she would have a different view if she had to strangle a deer.
Australian here who goes hiking and camping often, I've never wanted to kill a snake. How absurd. They have every right to be here. Mosquitoes on the other hand can bugger off haha.
As a south african i can completely agree with that.
You should let the mosquitoes suck your blood and spread disease on principle because you're vegan
@@GSRl0gic 1. thats a super messed up and shitty thing to say to anyone even if you disagree with them. 2. im not even a vegan or even a vegetarian. I've grown up on farms and literally raised my food.
Snakes are cool. They just do their thing 😂 mosquitoes are so annoying but not as much as the flys in australia.
@@tilonyaphillips2366 Yeah. The flies in some parts of the country is intense. I had them flying up under my fly net in some parts!
I really want an unedited version of this because I'm sure Ed had an amazing reply to everything she said and they probably cut out so much of it
In fact on his channel he goes into detail on this very thing and discusses what they cut
@@DSRekulaarit’s not like it’ll make a difference.. in comparison The Vegan obviously does more harm to the animals than the hunter.
@@estelasayeed5608 if only we could all live in our imaginations.
“You kill more animals by not killing them.”
My favourite thing about these comments is seeing all the people who aren’t vegan on Ed’s side 😂 this woman is like a pantomime villain 🙄😂
I know even if I wasn't a vegan I'd not agree with her because even before going vegan I cared about animals, it's just that my actions weren't consistent with it.
OH NO SHE ISN'T!
Nah she definitely is 😂
It breaks my heart that she gets to represent even in a small way, what this was supposed to be. That man is intelligent and level headed and honestly I stopped watched the second I saw her pride and attitude get in the way of what could have been an amazing conversation.
She was bad at debates, and he's basically a pro.
Feel like this could've been a much more intelligent discussion had it been someone other than her.
“It’s a shame that we’ve changed” Dude, our early ancestors used bash each other with rocks over simple disagreements, our near ancestors used to keep slaves and throughout all of history rape was a thing that also was condoned back in the day.
I’m pretty fucking glad that I can go outside and not be brutally murdered and have my decapitated head be displayed on a spear as a sign of my killer’s power.
lmao.. exactly.
i dont see how bombing a village with a drone is any better than getting your head bashed in. and theres plenty of cartels decapitating people today so we havent really changed all that much as a species were just better at concealing it.
@@tyrendrake I never said that our society was good, just better than before. She is suggesting to go back to the days when everyone killed everyone else, we had couldn't fight diseases and her idea is completely unsustainable.
I think today's situation is better than that. I mean it's not perfect by any means but definitely improving. less than 80 years ago we had the second world war and we nuking each other. I'd say I'd rather live today than back.
@@tyrendrake and we have changed quite a bit. Those things are seen as highly immoral today, unlike back then. You're just focusing on the areas that suit your point if view.
Chesta Gordon there was never a time when everyone was killing everyone. We had tribes back then as well as we have tribes or tribalism today. Sure we have more technology today but back then a sharp piece of bone on a stick was revolutionary to our ancestors. We still kill each other for petty disagreements and all it takes is a look at Syria or the streets of chicago to see that. our core society's are the same as they were back then we just have new problems and new solutions.
Hunter "I love you", Ed "good job you weren't a deer" 😂😂😂
Ed is a profoundly talented communicator.
Where did you get that? He is insane
No he's just a vegan robot. He has a pat answer for everything.
@@binathere2574 or perhaps intelligence. Something you lack
@@DerichBot maybe you lack respect, manners but obliviously not rudeness.
@@binathere2574 Pat answers or not, he spits facts.
I‘m happy to see how the internet’s mind seems to shift from „vegans bad“ to „vegans good“.
torturing animals is wrong, but to eat is not immoral. We are within food change. if you do not follow the food chain, then it will be chaos. Mankind now is using 98% of arable land for food for humans + animals. if you stop eating animals, within 20 years the population of animals will be more then triple. which means need much more food for animals and for longer periods. and if millions of humans stop eating animals, they will need more veg food. it is impossible to have enough food for humans and animals. Millions will starve. is that what you want?
Vegans are like religious fanatics.. Not good
@@muhsin001 How many people actually eat meat caught from the wild? If everyone went vegan, we wouldn't have animal livestock anymore because there would be no point. Wildlife animals would stay the same.
@@SnowofLight so what is your suggestion. eat all the animals, and then dont produce anymore animals!
@@muhsin001 There is no suggestion, I'm pointing out that your facts are horribly wrong. I'm also pointing out that there's no point in producing animals when there's no point in using them. If domestic farm animals are released into the wild, they will be dead within a year.
I’m so glad it was Ed who did this, he’s so intelligent, calm and educational. Love it
Same, imagine Joey in the ring with this woman. He would tear her to shreds like a pit bull 😹
FatHedgie He already had been, they went at it on morning TV. He was pretty brash but he was doing the best he could in the 7 minutes they were on air and the panel stacked against him
FatHedgie joey is great to be fair but I think Ed educates joey is more blunt and to the point so it’s which approach someone prefers. It’s either joeys “you’re a murderer you’re part of the process of raping animals” or Ed’s “they’re sentient and you morally can’t justify it” joey does say some of the stuff Ed does but it’s a lot more blunt 😂 I do love both ways to be honest
no he's not. he just makes points that have been debunked before
@@FatHedgie Those two were actually in a "this morning" segment th-cam.com/video/9WOWD2Sy7YE/w-d-xo.html
I'm surprised he didn't turn the water into wine.
😂
nah water into bong water
Hahaha Sounds like Jesus
Rioted
I died laughing
His followers believe he can.
It is clear that the hunter has difficulty refuting with logic.
Ed is a debater, he should be better at debating. She is a hunter and is better at knowing about animals. Ed doesn't even own pets.
@@radicaIarchitect he did own a hamster tho
@@Tomek666 I see
you know for a vegan, he sure is skinning this chick alive in this debate.
And to be fair she was actually relatively rational (the the most part) compare to most.
@@melowen5664 eh, not much of a stance to have if SHES gonna be one of the more reasonable ones of the bunch.
Alenfishman unrehearsed vs very rehearsed
@@nonimportantcreature4744 the women is the unrehearsed because she is speaking from her point of view and the vegan guy is rehearsed because he spoke like every vegan you will likely come across.
Hugo Shen ya you get that
As soon as she said that she wonders if vegans are de-evolved people, the grounds for civility was lost. What kind of comment was that? It was entirely unnecessary and just showed that she has no respect for the other person in the argument.
Lol I thought it was hilarious.
Also showed how she is ignorant regarding evolution.
No she said if we all started eating plants then maybe we’d de evolve seeing as the animal meat is what got us here to me don’t sound to crazy
Pili- Pala isn’t it a well known fact once we started to cook meat our brains started to grow significantly because we processed the nutrient most efficiently through meat
You misunderstand her context. She's wondering if it will devolve us. It's a valid thought. Meat played a crucial role in the evolution of our brain. Cooked meat specifically.
I want Ed to go on the Joe Rogan podcast, about time he talked to a major animal rights activist one on one but of course we all know Joe won't do it.
That would be awesome because Joe will listen and give clear points
The comment section would be hilarious
Joe will destroy this little emo
It won't happen because Joe would be limited with his arguments. The vegan debate is pretty much a one sided argument
Joe's handlers would shit themselves if that happened which is why it probably never will lmao. Ed would put Joe in his place
Ed threw some slight sass in this and I LOVE it. Too bad they edited out some of his best points.
ah yes evolution in 20 years thats my favorite
OMG I HECKING LOVE SCIENCE !!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111111111111
Twas a joke ma'e
That's actually possible
the length of time is a moot point, she probably picked the number out of her arse. Clearly she was talking about humans going backwards because our modern eating habits are enough to keep us alive but not for running that extra mile (mainly because we dont need to as a species in the modern age)
Is devolution or de-evolution,
vegtard.. vegans aren’t at risk of evolving that’s for sure.
Australian vegan here, no need to kill snakes here and it’s actually illegal for many species
theadam22 if someone is in immediate danger, sure. If a mosquito is trying to bite me which could lead to horrible infections or if a snake is about to bite and potentially kill myself or a loved one, it’s self defence, just like it would be vs a human.
There is a big difference between that and going out and killing an animal for fun, or for food when you have plenty of other options. If killing for food isn’t necessary it’s for fun.
@theadam22 I think it's acceptable to kill a snake if they are attacking you or a loved one, it's self defense. The same is true if a human attacks you or a loved one.
Why is it okay to kill a mosquito but not a deer? Well for starters there is a massive sentience difference and therefore a massive difference in moral value in my view. Deer are mammals so we know they are almost certainly sentient and have a capacity to experience well being, but there isn't any compelling evidence as far as I know that mosquitoes or insects in general are sentient to any appreciable degree and if that's the case they wouldn't have moral value in my view. Not to mention that mosquitoes are incredibly dangerous as they can carry all manner of diseases and actively try to bite you, whereas you'd have to go out of your way to kill a deer, they are not a threat.
@@TeChNoWC7 What about controlling pest species, it is necessary, but it is also fun for many people.
Vegan Aussie here too and what a far stretch that was. If anything, I think more Aussies (from the country) know how to live around snakes and spiders etc without needing to kill them on site.
We use the hose to spray away brown snakes out the back of our place and I pick up spiders and take them out. Little dudes being dudes.
@@buffybuff992 This is curious when pests are problems brought in by humans. I'm unsure what how I feel about killing pests as they're just doing what they're doing. But Rabbits compete against the local fauna way hard as rabbits are used to eating and breeding as quickly as possible, having many predators about. Whereas here in Aus, many mammals have lived for so long without any real large predator about and so, live a far more laid back easier life. This then makes it hard when rabbits ravage the land so quickly that the locals can't keep up.
It's a horrible situation.
If you buy meat in the supermarket, you are increasing crop deaths as well: the animal is fed a lot of crops before it is slaughtered.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_level#Biomass_transfer_efficiency basically says that each step of the food chain is only about 10% efficient. We need to feed roughly 10x as many calories to livestock than we get back out. So yeah, the farming of plants isn't entirely death-free, but to claim that vegans kill "just as many animals as omnivores" is insanity.
They eat mostly grass(naturally).
Jaceftp grass does not grow in their cages
@@emilange883 Uhhh they live on paddocks free and happy.....eating grass. Then are sent to the abattoir to be processed. I think we could question the method of slaughter yes. Halal is not peaceful the animals cower in fear, the blood riddled with fear is drained and sold to god knows where. The methods wrong.
@@bradbeattie Dont believe wikipedia.
Imagine being asked if you can love animals and personally kill them be saying ‘strongly agree’ 🤦
If you kill for food in a way that minimises pain and suffering then yes I’d say that’s love
@@Assassin99584 earthling eds biggest fan!
Ed claims to love animals and he uses animal products needlessly for entertainment.
You don't even have to imagine it...it's true.
@@veganpowergrab still no arguments try again
@@Assassin99584 Holy shit it is Assassin 9958 big fan my man!!
Passive aggressively quickly utters " good job you're not a deer or else you'd get a bullet to the heart" 🤣🤣
My favourite comment 😂 made me LOL
@@TattyMoz19 Definitely, had me chuckling as well 🤣
You kind of feel like you are getting shot in the heart yourself just being there for the comment. And he just slipped it in so fast.
good job you're not a plant or else you'd get a knife in your stem
@@paulombinya Good thing plants have no central nervous system, no pain receptors, no sentience. FOH with that nonsense
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE check out Earthling Ed’s videos. He’s the most patient and understanding person I’ve ever seen. He’s really educated and articulate and I just love him
Being articulate doesn't make you right.
Mr HunterF λ yeah but being really educated does. You gonna ignore that and focus on “articulate”
He comes across stubborn, ignorant and idiotic. He seems nice in this video but in his, he's a knob
@@ericfigueroa8047 Sorry, let me rephrase for people like yourself.
Being educated, doesn't make you right.
Here's one of his most popular videos, i highly recommend people watch this: th-cam.com/video/dvtVkNofcq8/w-d-xo.html
This woman looks like she came straight from a salon chair, still wearing the cape
This comment made me laugh so hard 🤣
Yeah what on earth is she wearing!
She is traditionalist, rigid thinking, incapable of considering other. Ed's patience for such ignorance is impressive.
I’m not a vegan, but I like this guy... He seems reasonable and makes good points.
check his channel out :) Earthling Ed
He’s one of the best, definitely!
If you 3atch him you will become a Vegan, or at least come to realise that you can't live an ethically consistent life without being one. I know several people who are philosophers, deeply ethical people, who spent a bit of time investigating this issue, realised eating meat could not be justified, and became vegan that instant.
Yeah you should watch his videos, it’s pretty interesting !
Well that is a very good outcome, being openminded and wanting to find out more...
Talking crop deaths? There’s 70 billion livestock and 7 billion of us on this planet atm. And they eat more calories than we do. Do we not count the crop deaths for all the animal feed for those 70 billion or...?
pj yessss I was waiting for him to say it!! Animal farming only provides 18% of calories but takes up 83% of our farmland
The crop deaths stem for pesticides and large combine harvesters that kill small animals while harvesting. That logic only also extends to factors farming, not hunting wild animals nor grass finished cows that graze. Just saying.
Frank Lance right but i think talking about a tiny fraction of what most people consume is missing the big picture. 99% of meat/dairy/eggs are sourced from factory farms. And even if i agreed hunting attributes to less harm, if we all became hunters all of those elk, deer, boar etc would be extinct in a heart beat. And to note, intent matters. I know billions of people drive cars but vegans aren’t saying we should hold people accountable for driving over insects.
@@pphils14 That's a great point but sustainable local farms that treat our FOOD with respect
@@pphils14
"right but i think talking about a tiny fraction of what most people consume is missing the big picture."
I mean this is literally hunter vs vegan. The hunter would be the one that is hunting wild animals who do not get food from mass harvesting or from crops that have pesticides on them.
"99% of meat/dairy/eggs are sourced from factory farms."
more like 95%, but OK.
extension.psu.edu/grass-fed-beef-production
"And even if i agreed hunting attributes to less harm, if we all became hunters all of those elk, deer, boar etc would be extinct in a heart beat."
Maybe, but I am going to use the same response vegans use. We don't expect everyone to start hunting instantly(if it was proportional then the ecosystem would probably be able to adjust but who knows. There is also the potentiality for grass finished alongside that in large production as a control variable). Vegan use the same response when someone asks "what is going to happen to all the factory farmed animals if everyone just became vegan". They also say that it won't happen because everyone will go vegan gradually, apparently.
The thing is, you don't have to have everyone hunting. We just know that on an individual level, if someone goes hunting it causes less net animal deaths than if they were to purchase harvested crops. This might fall apart if everyone did it, but not on the individual level as it is now, and not everyone is going to go hunting.
The only actual way you are going to get away from crop deaths is through veganic farming and vertical farming, which is nowhere near widespread enough for it to be tenable for that many people. Once you get that then the crop deaths argument can actually be countered.
"And to note, intent matters."
There is just as much intent in the scenario. If you are rationally aware that your actions do in fact cause more net deaths, and there is a solution that DOES NOT require those net deaths and you choose NOT to do that solution, then you are intending to do an action which knowingly causes more deaths. There is only a lack of intent in an irrelevant sense.
For instance, if I go to outback steakhouse, I am not intending for more animals to get killed and exploited. All I am intending is to eat the already pre-killed/pre-exploited product. It is anti-vegan not because I have no intent for the consequence, but because it is a known fact that my actions are in fact increasing that likelihood of animal cruelty and exploitation and that I could choose not to do so long term(i.e. practicable). My intent isn't relevant in respect to veganism.
"I know billions of people drive cars but vegans aren’t saying we should hold people accountable for driving over insects."
They should be if the reason they are driving cars is not for survival or health, such as with leisure activities, because if they are doing it on that reason then they are not excluding as far as is possible and practicable all ways in which they contribute to cruelty and exploitation of animals, as their actions knowingly increase that risk, and is entailed by the ideology.
www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism
This is a case of vegan hypocrisy, where they judge some people for not following their ideology in one situation, but not another. People don't need to care about the vegan ideology if the do not subscribe to it, but you guys do, and the contradiction here is plain to see.
It’s amazing when people bring up the crop deaths, when animals eat more crops than humans. Why don’t they acknowledge that? Baffling.
If 1 kg of plants had 30 insects, then a vegan would kill 30 insects per 1kg of plants. It takes 16kg of plants to make 1kg of meat. By that logic, a meat eater kills 480 insects AND a cow. They just don't think thoroughly enough.
And as if they themselves dont eat vegetables and grain that cause crop death. I mean thats cool I guess if they dont somehow, but thats unattainable to the 7 billion + humans.
You've also got to think when crops are being harvested 1000's of small animals like field mice get literally ripped apart by combine harvesters, which is a much more horrific death than most animals that are farmed get.
@@nootnoot5342 majority of cereal crops are used to feed cattle. Look at where most of the soybeans go, it ain't sauce.
Big macrofarms like that aren't sustainable anyway we need to switch to a decentralised permaculture system.
@@nootnoot5342 My guy... the combines blades are about a foot off the ground...
Its always cute when some meat eater brings some point of view or argument to the table that Ed hasn't heard or countered thousands of times at epic levels so deep and well researched that there is no retort, no comeback or argument that will ever stump him or rattle him out of his Jesus-like patience.
Why would u freak out? That shows weakness
@@JB-pp1kt There's a difference between losing your patience and maybe roll your eyes annoyed & freaking out *lol
see thats the problem, ppl are just good debaters nowadays, dudes just making money off of a crowd
Does she know that most of the farmed crops (that in her words, are killing millions) are being used to feed the animals that are going to be slaughtered?
This is the thing soooo many "anti vegans" ignore lmfao
That's why you should go organic
@d darko Bullshit! ourworldindata.org/agricultural-land-by-global-diets
@d darko yes, this is true. But the land used to grow this food for livestock, not to mention the land destroyed in order to create fields and factories, adds up to far more than what a vegan uses.
@ D darko Not to mention all of the feed that humans can’t consume.. we can easily start planting food we can consume in the land that’s already available as we make that gradual change.
"Strangling a deer sure would look very graceful" bwahaha im gonna die 🤣
I love how he is acting like we can't make spears. Nah, we can only strangle.
@@redholm
I'd really like to see you hunt a deer with a spear.
(Not really)
@@PauIdenino I mean. That would just be doing it like they did a long long time ago. It's not about killing them right now but when they get exhausted after hours on hours.
@@redholm Me dumbdumb, dumbdumb have rock, me smaaaash XD
TheLastManStanding what do vegans hunt?
I've never heard of a person that believes in evolution, but understands it soooooo so poorly...
Fun fact the teeth structure is part of the evolution, and well, it's cuz if the eating habits. Being able to digest milk as adults is cuz of evolution too. Evolution is linked to the diet my friend, the monke part was a joke but that's true that vegans and non vegans will evolve differently
@@roshsiddiqui8745 vegans won't evolve differently since they can't reproduce. Every single vegan, if they never cheat, goes infertile after a few years of the diet.
Hell, there are literally vegan period loss compilations.
Now you may point out that there are vegans who have children, yeah, but they were only vegans for a few months or years, every long term vegan becomes infertile. There are no vegan people in history, there is no vegan family that lived for more than one generation even though the movement officially exists for at least 100 years.
That's some very new info for me, I'll check it out, thanks
@@The-eo4lj Vegans who lose their periods are those who go on insane versions of the diet like fruitarianism or raw veganism. It's caloric restriction. If you read about the topic, caloric restriction/overtraining can cause period loss. There is no scientific literature to suggest that fertility is a problem in vegans. Please kindly stop speaking out of your ass.
@@mmmmmmmmmmm111 Yeah that's why the movement exists for over a hundred years and there still hasn't been a life long vegan that reproduced
Please kindly don't breed
Ed’s soul truly looked like it left his body at that devolution comment
She contradicts herself...
Danny Benhur basically what happens with all meat eaters.
@@efrahome happens to everybody
Aaron Forsythe please elaborate
Aaron Forsythe Nope, sorry. This (@4:38-4:48) does not happen to everybody. That is some serious cognitive dissonance right there.
she contradicts herself because he throws jabs at her with words, be little's her, he says things like you wont shoot a dog but a baby dear okay... i thought know one else noticed she contradicted.
Hunter to her dog: “I love you”
Earthling Ed to her (dog): “you’re lucky you’re not a deer”
YoStefan thanks
Sebastião Cunha Reis
plants aren’t sentient and humans are Herbivores th-cam.com/video/XmXynDLkbXY/w-d-xo.html
@@sebastiaocunhareis925 I am also waiting on the day that we don't have to eat plants and can just artificially make the nutrients we need from rocks and chemical processes. Amazing that we share this particular opinion.
I know that that isn't your actual opinion.
@@Mx-veganworldby2050 He is being ironic
@@sebastiaocunhareis925 well if that's something that truly concerns you, then the only moral option would to become vegan. Farm animals eat a lot more plants a day than a vegan does, so logically there are a lot more pesticides and fertilizers used to grow crops that are eaten by farm animals than for direct human consumption. So reducing your consumption of meat and dairy also reduces the amount of substances used on crops. 70% of worldwide agriculture is used to feed farm animals, how many fertilizers, pesticides and killed insects do you imagine that amounts to?
As an Australian I can't say I've ever had to kill a snake
Same! I’ve definitely been spooked by them but you just gotta leave them alone and they won’t attack you
Do u live in the bush
They say he wear a metal mask in case his face show
THIS! I have rescued snakes for years in Australia and never felt the need to kill a snake. That comment made me cringe
Killing snakes is fine. They eat other animals alive. Killing them leads to less suffering for a lot of animals.
The vegan guy just became a hunter man killed a human on camera and noone is holding him accountable
I've never seen Ed so annoyed, and rightfully so. There's nothing more annoying than someone who argues with no facts, just passive aggressive jokes
@Vodoo Child why would you write something so disrespectful and promoting violence? As you might even be a vegan (I am, btw) you should write something like this even less...
@@jdmmg4904 grow up man it's the internet
@@cheesyboi1767 I'm a grown up and I will not stop to try to make the internet a better and safer place for everyone. But thanks for the suggestion:). Unfortunately it's still a very long way to go till people can respectfully disagree with eachother.
I wouldn't say that she relied upon jokes. She used facts such as overpopulation and population checks which is a genuine thing that even humanity suffers yet brute forces it's way through. Interestingly too a fact I never considered is that aphids are living beings too which will die through crop consumption. I think she wasn't great at arguing points no doubt about that and was a little but rude but I could sense they at least respected each other
But where are the facts ed presented
Being a meat eater I wanted to agree with her but she didnt do herself any favours. He was far more eloquent and made far more logical arguments.
Because vegan is the logical lifestyle.
Awesome that you can see the sense of going vegan! Hope that you will do so soon. Greetings🍎
@Tyrone Biggums wow you’re funny
@@manswounded1677 well yeah because animals take up way more space to farm and take way more grain and resources, but because of animal rights? Idk. I don't agree.
@@zain6008 ethics arent the same as logics. Ethics are opinions, but I don’t need to convince you that animal cruelty is unethical
I just love how all the Australians in the comment section say they don't kill snakes. Wholesome.
Julian Meissner it’s illegal to but some people in the middle of no were do because it’s that or die (nearest place to get anti venom is hours away) but that’s very rare
I am almost sure he is being sarcastic.
We aren't scared of them, we avoid them if we have to but don't go out our way to kill them. Leave them and they'll leave you. Simple.
Yeah, they eat em’ alive
@@SnaKeEXx were Aussie not Chinese
So proud to be vegan feels wonderful
Thank you - from the animals
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever animals don’t give a fuck about you
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever living like shit, delusional, nothing more than a flat earther
I'm not a vegan, but man... Jesus just shredded her.
LMAO
It's funny you say that because he's jokingly called "vegan jesus" in the vegan community.
@@cynicalidealist11 such a shame he has to lie to talk to her like this, first few sentences was a lie, well the whole thing but sure, shredded, more like make a fool of himself
no he didn't, has she pointed out ethical veganism is inherently hypocritical. He said, veganism is a reduction in harm. Would anybody say, a rapist who started raping less is now moral? no. Morality and ethics don't play into a person's survival and eating meat is an act in survival. People need to ask themselves, is it unethical to kill something and eat it? Why are plants different from animals? Humans have to eat living or recently deceased things to survive. We can't eat rocks to gain energy. I think most reasonable vegans could agree that over consumption and waste of animal products is worse than eating animal products responsibly. IMO, eat whatever diet you want but put your effort toward more practical efforts. America has more vegans and vegetarians than ever before and we actually produce more meat than ever. We just export it now which further increases carbon emissions. Cut the waste, end capitalism, improve healthcare and mental health. That's how you end meat eating and factory farming. Not telling people they are awful for eating the food their grandma cooked for them.
@@psrabe7444 agriculture both plants and animals are between 8-9% of emission, not a concern at all in any aspect
I wonder if it ever gets tiring for Ed to hear the same old excuses over and over..
Probably does i applaud him for keeping his cool and being so calm and collected
I'm 35 and have been vegetarian since 14. I've had about 12 years of my life being told by sheep I need to eat meat to live. Last couple of years veganism has become mainstream I'm now being told by the same sort of people having milk in my tea means I hate animals.
@@aaroningl choices? when did abusing animals become a choice? these dumb non vegans!
@@AM-tb4fn abusing animals is a choice, like it or not. Nice try though.
@@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689 I can understand that this must be quite frustrating. Good for you that you've been vegetarian for so many years! My question is: Why are you vegetarian? Is it because you don't like meat or because you don't want animals to die for your food?
In case you don't want them to die, it'd be logical to also abstain from milk since in order to produce milk, you have to breed cows and once they have reached their end of productivity, they are killed. So in the end, animals are killed just the same.
I feel like the edit saved her from true destruction.
100 percent.
"crop deaths tho" lmao
W
well said mate
@Wilberplayz what you said is so scientificaly and logicaly un true lol
@@sd7785 no wait a min im sure i agreed with your comments i wrote that to someone else and now cant even see it on my end ? if you love animals then good on you im just a animal lover lol not sure why the comment was sent to you ?
Ed is so well-spoken, logical, and calm! Very admirable!
Hunter: I would like to live in a Disney movie.
Vegan activist: You realise you would be the villain, you shoot Bambi.
Hunter: *instant regret* 😂
bambi is so tasty
@@highlander200268 so are dogs and cats. Don't see you eating them.
Also, bambi was shown to be a sentient and thinking being. You have no right to eat bambi in the same way I don't have a right to kill and eat you just because I've been a collegiate wrestler and BJJ competitor for 4 years. Just because I have the means to do something gives me no justification for the actual act.
@@dravenwag some countries do eat dogs and cats, nothing wrong with that..
gotcha shown to be sentient, please show science of this (which you wont) i have asked a few times for evidence you shown none.. you can try to kill me, might not be to easy, but welcome to try
@@highlander200268 I have a higher chance of beating the shit out of you and hurting you than you do me. I've done cage fighting and wrestling and BJJ. Also yes there is something wrong with that, you dope. Eating sentient beings is wrong. That's why cannibalism is wrong. The only problem here is that you have the empathy levels of a three year old who thinks they're the only self on the planet.
@@highlander200268 on top of that, dhow me scientific evidence that you feel pain and aren't just a mindless biological philosophical zombie carrying out the motions of somebody who feels. Prove you exist.
“Good job your not a deer or it would be a bullet in the heart” creasing 😂😂the passive aggressiveness is just something else 😂
6:31
Yeah I am sure that hit hard.
@@shawns4354 wdym
I'm Australian, and a vegan and yeah I still don't want to kill snakes
Not even just vegans, most Australians in general are in admiration and awe of snakes. People are beginning to appreciate rather than destroy more and more often.
Not even australians, any person who comes by a snake HAS NOT an inmediate reaction to kill it. you are just either impress or scared, or both.
@J cole no we don't. We raise bats, for mosquitos.
@J cole I know. We have not rats.. Not to much. But mosquitos are maaaaany. So, we raise bats.. They are so cute!
Me too 😌
I thought this was a satire 🤣 OMG I cannot believe that she was serious about 'veganism leading to a devolution' 😂 This is actually comedy gold!!
They picked a terrible hunter
In 20 years! 🤣
You do realize that turning into Herbivores isn't exactly evolution, right? It's the opposite.
@@danielantony1882 There is no such thing as devolution. Only evolution, change. If plants are abundant and prey tastes like shit, it may evolve an intolerance to animal-based proteins.
@@danielantony1882 Evolution is simply the changes in heritable characteristics over countless generations. It is adaptive to our environment and increases our chance of survival, we are at a point where we rationalise, make moral (or mostly immoral) decisions and can steer our own evolution. Becoming a herbivore is evolution, regardless of whether you think it's an adaptive or maladaptive change - personally I'd say considering it's far better for the planet to be vegetarian/vegan, so it helps our survival a lot more than remaining omnivorous or being carnivorous.
I thought the vegan was going to be a nut job. I was wrong, I’m sorry man
About two weeks ago, I thought vegans were all crazy, and then I saw a few videos by CosmicSkeptic and Earthling Ed (The vegan in the video) and I completely changed my perception, and I'm becoming a vegan activist. I highly recommend you check out his channel, and try to approach veganism in a logical way, and I'd be willing to bet you'd be "converted".
@OnTheSquare OnTheLevel uh, how so?
@@raskolnikov3799 "I saw a few videos by CosmicSkeptic and Earthling Ed and I completely changed my perception, and I'm becoming a vegan activist."
Why don't you just get a life?
Skylar Oler I’m so glad this made you change the way you thought about vegans! Good luck on your journey 💗 there’s lots of lovely people in the vegan community on youtube and twitter if you need any help, food inspo or more information :)
They're all vegetable murderers.
"If you lived in Australia you would feel different about killing snakes". It is actually extremely frowned upon to kill snakes here.
I don’t know how she can throw out allegations about other countries culture without even living there ?
@@rx6483 to escape the discussion only to be butchered by comments
@@MadeUpNoun fawned changes the meaning completely
If you think that, you definitely don't live in regional Australia ...imagine snakes living right outside your family's house it is necessary to do it
Um its actually not i live here and ive seen multiple people shoot and decapitate snakes. They really are a deadly thing in Australia my mum was bitten twice and my grandma was bitten 3 times. Luckily survived due to modern medicine but no it is not frowned upon. Unless you are talking about non venomous because no one really bothers non venomous snakes.
So she never eats meat from anywhere else. Not at a restaurant, a friends house. Bollox.
So true
She does, she just has selective amnesia.
@@wattacoolguy Bullshit, unless you live in a remote island and you live alone you will eat meat in other places such as social events.
Nobody is perfect.
@@zakariafadli4996 "Bullshit, unless you live in a remote island and you live alone you will eat meat in other places such as social events."
So I guess the vegans also eat meat on social events then, right? Because it is impossible to say 'I only eat X and Y' ...
What bullocks ...
I went pesco-veggie 6 months ago for a week trial. I never thought in a million years I could cut meat out for a day never mind a week. It was a dare/challenge and all I can say I felt amazing even through withdrawal. I had more energy and slept better. I enjoy veg and appreciate it more now. I have a long way to go on my diet but I want to make the effort. I have no plans at the moment to go full vegan but at least 90/95% of my meals are.
Awesome. I experienced the same going full on vegan overnight four years ago. Sleep way better, more energy and more stamina. I also actually enjoy food way more now.
Amazing i am so proud of you!
@@darcymr353 Im so proud of you :)
I'm a pescetarian and I love it. Vegetarian food can be hard to find but I'm glad I made the switch
You do stop craving meat all together
In the exact moment she said the word "devolution" she revealed how little she knows about actual evolution, therefore how she thinks what's natural or not is discredited.
@@MadeUpNoun look, there's no such a thing called devolution, trust me on that 😊
@@francicco78 why not? A lot of animals were giants before and now they're small. There is a devolution.
@@randomicallyrandom They didn't "devolve" into shorter versions. The only reason a trait such as shortness is selected for is if it's advantageous to the fitness of the creature. In the case of animals becoming shorter over time, that's just evolution, a forward change into a new version of themselves. Evolution doesn't mean you get stronger, faster, or smarter, it just means you change over time.
I have no idea what devolution would mean, maybe evolving backwards in time? Even if an animal began to turn into a form that is more like one of it's ancestors, it would still be called evolution.
@@Cheesewiz247 You have a point. I know that animals simply adapted to the environment in which they lived. It's true, a "devolution" can be seen in two ways: the animal has become physically weaker or has returned to what it was before evolving into what it is today.
In evolution there is always an equivalent exchange, something is lost and something new is gained in return. Strong and weak are two relative things, you are right.
@@randomicallyrandom I'm glad we had a civil conversation! I could see the term being used accurately if an animal evolved into a form that is similar to one of it's ancestors, but I think that would be a very unlikely occurrence. They'd likely turn into something new, and change some features but keep others.
I'm a carnivore, but cavemen did not live on meat... 90% of their diet was plant based. We've been lied too
That's why they died out
You’re a carnivore? So you only eat meat and nothing else?
This is true. Primitive hunting was very difficult and meat was a treat for them.
@@zyslug7503 Cavemen didn't die out. Or we wouldn't be here today. Seems you have a caveman level IQ though.
You are not a carnivore. Carnivores hunt and kill their prey. They eat raw brains, eyeballs, hair, intestines, ligaments and assholes. You don't do any of that.
Educate yourself.
Ed is just the best, so calm everytime he's in a discussion like this. This video could've been like 30 minutes long imo.
Apparently this debate was an hour long but edited down to 10 minutes.
He's calm because he's vegan, no rage in bananas. 😁
Get out of his arse
Less ._. This guys and his goons once harassed me and my whole family in the street just cause they though we are wearing fur. I say he is as bad as any 2 faced politician with his own agenda.
You can tell alot got cut sadly
I started doing a lot of my own research after this vid and for 1001 reasons in cutting down on meat and maybe eventually give it up for good. I’ve stopped dairy too.
I am so glad! How is it coming along?
@@ellensirca9915 socially it's hard to stop but at home I don't own one animal product :)
@@byronswart6199 watch Sv3rige’s ex vegan interviews, don’t get fooled by these anti-humans
@@OctopusH2O no, I'm good thanks
So happy to read this. Hope soon you'll go full vegan! In this times we are living, It was never before so easy and needed. 💚🙏🏻
She is so self-entitled, interrupting all the time, and to be honest she is simply annoying. It doesn't matter the topic, having a conversation with someone that closed-minded must be frustrating.
After all she a hunter.... how could she have peaceful mind..
@@adityahrudaya8490 OOOh city girl
Ed is very patient haha 👏🏼
Earthling Ed making things clear with facts, logic, compassion and eloquence.
I mostly agree with him but it's a shame that vegans have this stupid blond spot about the need to kill animals because of overpopulation and invasive species. it really does come down to the ecosystem and wellbeing of other species over the life of some deer
@@jackward6726 Vegans want to find other ways to manage ecosystems less barbaric than shooting its inhabitants. Imagine applying this logic in a human context... Human beings are destroying the earth but we don't justify mass killing them to save the planet
@@veganworldorder9394 Well then vegans clearly aren't interested whatsoever in ecology or ecosystem management. What does "want to find other ways" mean? Round them up and bring the animals somewhere else? It's not only impossible but would probably be more cruel than just killing them. Shooting and poisoning isn't any less barbaric than what they experience in the wild, it protects species and the ecosystem as a whole, which is a cause more noble and practical than simply refusing to kill. You can't just apply the morality of human society to animals and call that logic.
@@jackward6726 No. It just means that vegans are interested in not killing conscious being (dear in this case).
"Want to find other way" means finding methods that don't involve shooting conscious being. I can understand that it does not currently exist though.
Well yes you can. Why killing dear to protect the environment is ok but killing humans to protect the environement is not ok ?
@@veganworldorder9394 you talk about morals like they're universal laws. They're a series of trade offs that will always have contradictions. Is it always wrong to kill? What about to win a war for the greater good? You would consider it immoral to not stop a murder if you saw one about to happen right? So would you intervene if you saw two wild animals of the same species killing each other? I can play at that game too.
It's a gross oversimplification to just say, well it's immoral to kill a human so it's immoral to kill an animal. And I think it's wrong to judge those who have to make the sometimes difficult call that the health of an environment or other species is more important than the life of individual animals. Sometimes people have to make that call when it comes to human lives vs the greater good as well but we simply set the bar higher for our species, not just because we're applying different moral standards but because we have systems (laws, technology, philosophy) that make it possible. In pro modern times those trade offs were harsher, it wasn't considered the job of government to help the sick in a pandemic for example, not because leaders were less moral then but because they didn't have the ability to help so it wasn't expected. In nature those systems don't apply or just make things worse.
There’s this weird vibe coming from her like she knows some people don’t agree with her choices, and she enjoys that. Smiles cheekily when told she’s the villain in the Disney movie. She loves it!
Pretty gross.
@Meta EbeneI don't get that. Any examples you can point to?
@Meta Ebene he seemed very informative to me
@@Tiny_Boats_And_Bikes well thats just stupid not only is getting a clean headshot probable if your in a hunting blind or in a tree most animals tend to slow down after being shot (except boars because of their natural shielding and giant bones) a quick follow up shot would be easy and you'd be suprised at how quickly animals die especially if your using hollow points or rounds that offer extra wound channels (except possums which for some reason are pretty much zombie rats)
The Vegan Guy nailed it.
me just knowing ed has all the facts to ruin her but he’s on a time limit lmao
@@mello.b3373 You literally are suffering from cognitive dissonance, and the fact that you do not agree with a single point and dismiss ALL his arguements shows it. If you went on his youtube channel, he has A LOT of videos regarding this.
@@mello.b3373 Veganism is a movement for animal Justice and for helping the envirornment. Veganism is Awesome for the envirornment and is healthy for a human. The American dietetic association has said it... FACTS!! you are the one being brainwashed by the meat and dairy industry
@@mello.b3373 You're honestly deluded if you think vegans are brainwashed, indoctrinated and brain damaged, and you shouldn't be allowed to use the internet.
@@mello.b3373 The problem is that I could cherrypick and send 10 sources back, that prove the opposite. For what it is, I'll certainly have a look at your sources. What does bother me is the fact that you could not agree with a SINGLE point of Ed's, and dismissed them entirely. THAT is the true definition of cognitive dissonance.
@@mello.b3373 *"Ed has never presented a "fact" in his life when it comes to veganism. All lies, misinformation, propaganda and pseudoscience."*
Doesn't seem like your point had any context, other than that Ed has never presented a fact. You then claimed that ALL he has done is lie.
I was a fisherman for 25 years. There aren't many people that have tortured and killed more animals than me. However, if meat isn't a necessity for us, why would we torture and kill animals for it? I've been vegan for a few months now 🌱
So glad you made the switch. You are right!! 🌱💕
awesome. anyone is capable of change.
Yeah because y one in 8 billion people not eating meat is going to make a different and y tortured fish for 25 years and think being a vegan is going to redeem y piss of y stupid bastard
@@donaldtrumpbestpresidentev4788 why are you so angry?
John so you’re saying torturing fish for 25 years is okay because you don’ t eat meat now
"If we don't kill animals, less animals will die-" "OHHHHH MY GODDDDDDDDDD NO THATS SO NOT TRUEEE"
It kind of is depending on how big the population is if it gets to big that can lead to the lack of resources for the rest but thats why natural predators exist they do a better job keeping in check than we do because we kill more than what we need
she's technically correct in most peoples' versions of diets
meat/animal products are incredibly nutrient dense compared to plantstuffs... if you remove all animal nutrition as vegans do then you are by definition vastly increasing the required plant nutrition .. plants are generally very poor in terms of nutrient density/bioavailability, which further increases the requirement for variety/volume
all crops have huge numbers of associated death/animal suffering/ecological+watersystem damage with them... you can improve some aspects of this quite a bit by sourcing organic/local crops, but you still have plenty of animal death/suffering via many routes... even just "crop protection" deaths alone eclipse any sort of animal ethics issues that can come from eating naturally raised ruminants
You will notice ed specifically mentions "aphids" in relation to crop production, but this is a deflection tactic, ed KNOWS that MANY other forms of small animals are routinely culled in the production of crops, since they are competing for the herbivorous foods (and as mentioned, whilst "crop protection" is a large number/variety of deaths/suffering, it's the tip of the iceberg - veganism is far worse for animal ethics than responsible meat eating ever could be)
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@RockM was robbed yeah but we dont breed billions of animals that are endangered we breed stuff like pigs and chickens not elephants
@@aniccax6953 I mean, except for the fact meat eaters are killing all of those small animals too when they eat corn and grain fed meat. The killing is still happening when the food is farmed, they're just doing it farther down the food chain.
@@heidilinder3443
animals, especially ruminants should not be fed that garbage, neither should we.. (even though "animal feed" is typically byproducts of grains/legumes that aren't destined for human consumption primarily)
but yes, there will always be some life/death in the cycle, that's kind of the point... regardless of what you eat or how well you source it
Both crop and factory farming of animals on mass scales has become extremely unsustainable , I'm just saying that going vegan isn't the answer, quite the contrary. Many vegetarians/vegans end up eating much more of those mass monocropped plants/grains/legumes since they have taken out all of the actually bioavailable/dense sources of nutrition out of their diet. It would make much more sense to include well sourced animal products if the goal is animal ethics/environmentalism... or health for that matter. So why do all these vegans who eat the monocropped garbage look down upon animal-product eaters, when they're likely doing the same kinds of damage or worse, than the worst meat eaters... it's nonsense and it seems the only way to truly create any shift in the industries/ethics questions, is to start taking our money away from monocropping/animal factory farming and instead funding local regenerative farmers who are respectful of lifes' balances.. and so, definitely including those micronutrient dense, bioavailable animal foods and garnishes of plants, both/all sourced well.
I am so happy to see everyone rooting for Ed in these comments!
Such a talented guy, so well spoken, excellent at reasoning and keeping his debater open minded by making sure she know’s that he is agreeing with some of her points.
I aspire to be able to have his patience to talk to people about these things and be able to put across properly informed points that really make them take a step back and think about their actions.
Go Ed! 🙌🏻 Reading your book at the moment!
Ok...all vegans and all non vegans...learn from this man. He handled himself SO well.
He has a TH-cam channel called Earthling Ed.
so far I've heard nothing useful come out of his mouth... Guess it's a matter of opinion.
Bob Smith I dont think its a matter of the content spoken, its just the calm controlled and open-minded approach at having a conversation about this. A lot of vegans and non-vegans will get really heated and irrational in conversations like this
They both acted like children at the end undermining eachother
@@ballsack9107 Read your comment and then looked at your username. Yikes.
"I think we can learn from eachother."
I think the only thing Ed's learning is patience, dear.
Are you referencing to her cutting him off many times ??😭
@@lolpop2118 Being a vegan, you’ll be subjected to a lot of hypocrisy! Like the hunter in the video, is no different!
@@beardlessspirit4946 The hypocrisy goes both ways buddy.
Yeah don’t let her be a reflection of all hunters. She was pretty rude and passive aggressive and refused to keep an open mind and see things from both sides of the spectrum.
A good comment ruined by the last word
The circling of the glass at the end from her was her stalling because she didn't want to say the opposite of him, I don't trust people like that, be real.
@@peapie248 a couple of her points made me chuckle so I like her for that, though she maybe wouldn't like me for it
You have sharp eyes
@@EggZema_ I'm a self acclaimed behavioural analyst
Ed is just as patient and logical as always. This lady is sadly lost.
Ed is literally the most calmest, patient and articulate human out there. His activism is so admirable!
His brain is slow, that's all.
Nah, he’s a moron
And u are easily persuaded/manipulated.. this guy is evil.. a parasite.. his “morality”.. his religion.. his self righteousness.. is death...
You vegan?
no one nope not me...
I’m not mentally Ill..
When she said "omg this is untrue" over the statement that less animals are being killed in vegan meal, suddenly everything she said became a joke.
I couldn't wait for this joker to say well soy crops kill insects, erm Lady... who do you think eats the most Soy crops 😂
Its so simple yet so many people wont understand that 1+1 is 2 i dont get it...
I disagree. Clearly, a lot of people are unaware just how many cute baby bunnies, field mice, squirrels, and other types of rodents get ground up and killed via commercial harvesters before we even start discussing the pesticides used on crops. Let's also try to remember that this woman hunts her own food. She is not eating some sort of factory-farmed, corn- and soy-eating animals; she's hunting them in the wild. Ergo, when she kills a deer, it's just the deer that is killed, not a cow, and the rodents killed in harvesters, and the bugs that were killed by pesticides, etc., etc. So, yes, ethically sourced meats reduce the harms far more than a vegan diet ever will.
@@thatbleepingfeminist you are comparing large-scale veggie farming with small-scale meat hunting. It would be more fair to compare the murder of that deer with the potato crop and four apple trees in my grandfather's backyard
@that bleeping feminist
I'd say a lot of vegans are well aware of animals being killed while harvesting crops.
Although I'm vegan, I'm not necessarily against slaughtering animals and eating their flesh because there are cultures that raise just enough animals to feed their communities or there are places that are simply not suitable for growing crops and the lives of people depend on livestocks, but I'm rather against the factory farming which is the source of meat for most of the population.
And what you call "ethically sourced meat" is far from sustainable, and comparing commercial harvesters vs individual hunter who hunter for her own food is absolute nonsense.
I never intend to be perfect, I'm just trying my best to reduce the harm that I'm causing.
I think you have to respect Ed either way
Not killing someone unnecessarily is just common decency, So should we respect common decency, or should we expect common decency. Being vegan is simply showing common decency towards all, regardless of their species.
I admire Ed for his intelligence and capacity to hear bull crap!