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@Plant-BasedWorld vegan lifestyle is great but we can drink milk in theses cases- 1) First calf should get a share of mothers milk and then humans 2) Male calves should not be killed they can live upto their natural age 3) once cows are not able to produce milk after a certain age they can be sent to a santury or they can be treated as pets till its natuaral age rather than sending them to slaughterhouse
@@kshitij862 It probably is moral in those cases but this option is only truly moral when keeping a dairy cow with a calf is an unavoidable situation(they are rescued). In my opinion we shouldn't engage in farming even if done as ethically as possible due to the incentive for profit which could lead to exploitation and land being taken away from wild animals who are already losing lots of land, especially in the UK. Vegans drinking milk could also send the wrong message and lead to people justifying their consumption of the same 'vegan' product. Also, this long cycle is so much worse for the environment than standard dairy farming and leads to less milk being produced. Overall, the most vegan milk to drink is plant based milk. I know I may be misunderstanding your point and you are probably just saying that vegans 'can' drink milk however due to the rarity of these situations making milk vegan could be a slippery slope.
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My wife was vegan. I was intrigued by it. She told me to watch Earthling ed. We than got in a bad accident and she passed away. I went to watch his videos after she died and now I’m vegan too. I thank you Ed, and my beautiful wife.
Ed's patience is just... out of this world. Hearing the SAME arguments, over and over and over again, while mantaining the nicest and most composed demeanor... Ed you're a gift to us.
"But it's the circle of life tho" "But it tastes so good!" "But lions tho" "But what if you were on an island with a cow?" "But plants have feelings" "But I need protein" "But what if you kill it humanely?" Same arguments again and again indeed. However, the benefit is that you can really prepare the answers beforehand, so you can easily win
I'll still never understand how people can genuinely think that cutting the stalk of a plant and cutting the throat of an animal can be morally comparable.
I definitely don't think it is the same let's start with that, but are we sure we know what a plant feels? Maybe we don't understands pants as well as animals, because animals are more like us. Either way you are killing a living organism, the plant also don't want to die.
@@daanlinders7997 I mean yes we know, if an organism doesn’t have a brain and a nervous system can’t have thoughts, can’t process emotions and feel the same physical pain compared to organisms that do.
They don't, excuses are just that. And if one excuse is proved wrong, they move to another. That's why this does not work to convince people, facts don't convince people.
I sounded exactly like the guy Ed's debating just a year ago. Some research later and having my views challenged and here I am, vegan for life. There's hope.
Exactly! Me and my husband also were like this 3 years ago, but after research we accepted that we were wrong and brain washed by family “tradition”, now we’re vegan, happy, and feel wholesome!
A few years ago I would have been friends with this dude purely over “sticking it to the annoying vegans”. Free of the meat cult 3+ years and never felt better.
exactly, the excuse that a person would be ostracized for going vegan as a justification for continuing to eat animals is so insane because in any other context no one would justify doing the immoral thing to avoid being an outcast if your family, group of friends are racist or sexist or homophobic then any sane person would agree to do a moral thing, rock the boat and not participate in discrimination or any injustice
@@FruityHachi You’d be surprised. My family sat and watched my mum abuse me, while not doing anything themselves, just gossiping about her behind her (and my) back. Many people will ignore others’ suffering if the majority are, regardless of their personal beliefs. Not many people are strong enough to break free of their conditioning.
Guy: "Tomorrow six beers down morality's out the window" Ed: "No, mortality's not out the window. You wouldn't rape somebody." Guy: ._. Fucking dead :'D
most people aren't aware of the benefits of meat, that's why. talk to anyone who reads science and you'll see, and no the academy of nutrition and diabetetucs argument is BS
He was so stern in his beliefs, he said even his dad couldn’t make him consider changing, but by the end of his conversation with Ed, he was way more open to learning & admitting where he was wrong. May seem like a baby step, but that’s actually huge
@@ludwigiapilosa508 We aren't made, we are evolved. And yes, we are evolved in a way that we can easily eat cooked meat. Too much meat eating may not be optimal for health tho.
@@cultofscriabin9547 evolved, yes. To eat meat, absolutely not. If we were, we wouldn't get heart disease eating it. In no way are our bodies equipped to consume flesh. Being able to digest it doesn't mean we are.
@@ludwigiapilosa508 We are definitely evolved to eat meat since we are able to do so without problems, at least when it is cooked. Now, it may not be optimal for longevity/health, but it doesn't mean we aren't evolved to eat it. Also, can you give a citation for the claim that eating meat causes heart diseases ? Obviously our body are equipped to consume flesh. Human beings can literally eat flesh for a lifetime.
I like how he pauses to rlly think abt the question posed to him. Shows he’s actually thinking abt what’s said instead of just spewing out talking points in a reactionary fashion. The fact that he was willing to concede further indicates he was at least operating in good faith, which I can appreciate.
@@jinxterx I’m a linguistic descriptivist. I believe language was created to communicate ideas. As long as that communication is facilitated by my “incomplete sentences”, I don’t see a problem with it. What’s the point in holding ppl to some arbitrary standards with respect to their writing style if you understood what they meant? You sound like the type of person to say AAVE isn’t a “real” language bc it doesn’t adhere to your made up grammar rules. Read some Chomsky, uneducated scrub
It's funny though, because while he concedes, it feels like he's just admitting that Ed is better at *debating* than him, not that Ed's objectively correct and posed issues that are worth changing. Maybe I'm being too cynical, I really liked his energy and I think he was one of the more fun debates we've ever seen.
You didn’t say anything remarkable. This guy was just humble enough to admit his logic was flawed and you were right. Most aren’t sharp enough for that kind of awareness
Props to this guy honestly. Everyone with half a brain he’s debated is thinking this but is too stubborn to admit it (like that one girl who kept saying she eats meat because Inuit people have to eat fish 😆), so when someone is actually humble enough to have an ‘honest conversation,’ we have to applaud them.
Completely agree!! I do kinda worry that the people Ed talks to see how they're being trashed in the comments - which'll just make them dig their heels in further (and dislike vegans). I hope he sees your message :)
Earthling 'beyond sausages are healthier for you than bacon' Ed is just a moron and y'all find out when you start suffering on the vegan diet aka the most unnatural diet ever created by man
@@mrSam3ooo he conceded defeat lol whether or not he goes vegan, most people stand on a sinking iceberg screaming the same idiotic platitudes about why people need meat to live. This guys actually said ‘you got me there’
@@jjmah7 it felt like he said it just to get out of what was becming an uncomfortable interaction (for him). Not cause the points made by Ed actually got to him. Idk maybe I'm being too cynical again
“That’s what life is all about, taking a new perspective.. learning everything because you gotta be one percent better everyday, gotta be the different person that went to bed.” So great to hear this after a tough debate with Ed.
Out of most debates I’ve seen he’s probably the realest one. I don’t like his views as a 6 year vegan but still, I’m glad he was at least honest that’s rare these days.
I've watched enough of these to anticipate Ed's next words- I said "does legality equal morality" at the same time he did in the debate. Love these videos. Definitely helps me out when I talk to friends and family about why I'm vegan and why they should be as well.
@Paul Semmens You must feel attacked by all us rambunctious vegans, pushing our extreme lifestyles. She's simply stating the same thing that I am. Ed offers dialogues that are more effective than the ones that I have come up with. Therefore, I choose to use his points instead of my own. I don't care who comes up with the arguments I use, as long as they are sound and convincing. And keep more animals from being needlessly butchered for the sake of somebody's breakfast.
@Paul Semmens If people claim to be against animal cruelty, but knowingly pay for animals to be killed, they are hypocrites. There truly is very little difference between dogs/cats and cows/pigs. The only difference is that we view them under culturally-defined definitions and outdated practices that we long forgot how to question. Some people fool themselves because they do not want to think about the suffering that they inflict with their dollar or are incapable of thinking about it due to cultural trends. Veganism is ethically consistent to how the majority of people live. People who consume animal flesh, but claim to be against animal cruelty are the ones living with cognitive dissonance.
good or evil it's nonpreferential dude. good it's just 2+2=4 behavioural CORRECT answer relative to eachother environment etc. opposed of 2+2=preferences meaning corruption and wrong answer and not knowing and etc. synonyms. it's not based on subjectivity and preferences (baseless accusations full of irony) and if you support and defend and want implementing full idiocracy subjectivity absolute freedom preferences corruptions infernos sufferings violations and etc absurd nonacceptable corruptions bc of defeating the purpose aspect (nonacceptable to this system), then clearly you should find such systems of inferno some day if you insanely insist destroying the ecosystem (find it not here unless it's transformed into a system like that through implementing atrocities breeding corruptions sufferings destructions deforestation etc. ). "keep" arguing against modern abolitionists while selfexposing defending breeding corruptions literally, therefore selfexposing as a supporter of corruptions and wanting implementing infernos on this planet or systems (which is nonacceptable similar as wouldn't be acceptable to destroy a good (CORRECT behaviours) space station or shooting yourself in the foot ).
I almost had vegan bingo with this one. When he admitted he had no arguments anymore I was like: Nooo, don't give up! My excuses card is almost full! Dang it.
Yeah, he even put up two at once a few times! “Plants feel things but also what will we do with all these domestic animals that just exist on their own, huh??”
At the end of the day, this guy had never thought about these things before and processed these assumptions of his, with a knowledgeable patient person like Ed. Well done Ed, thank you helping this guy think.
It just occurred to me while watching this how many plants we can eat that don’t even require killing the plant. Like I can pick fruits off a tree while leaving the tree alive, same for nuts and many vegetables. I’d say even in industrial situations leaving the whole plant alive is more productive. They’re not bulldozing trees down to get the fruits and vegetables. I suppose the exception to this is root vegetables and sprouts.
I like people who are open to being wrong, that's a really underrated trait. I think being able to take new information and change your beliefs based upon that information is a lot harder than many people believe it is.
I realize legality is not ultimately, the only reason, but their ARE laws on the books that matter, such as protections for domestic animals. It’s not a stretch to apply those laws to other creatures.
@@krishnaveganatharI think what they meant is that there are laws based on morality, but we shouldn't base our morality on laws like if it was suddenly illegal to touch your own arm, it still wouldn't be immoral to do so and the fact that the law allows animals to be put in tiny crates until they are killed doesn't make it legal and we shouldn't think it was just because it's the law
This might sound good for a lot of people if they think about their current situation. But situations can easily change. As a German i'd just need to go back 80 years. Hell, as someone living in east Germany its pretty much just 35. If people around you are being killed for trying to leave the territory or prosecuted for sharing this plan then i doubt you'd see that as the moral thing to do. Or at least you definitely shouldnt.
@@krishnaveganathar in the US there are literally loophole laws so those protections for pets don’t apply to agriculture. That’s why morality can’t be contingent on legality- it should be the other way around more often!
I feel like this guy is a future vegan. He perfectly exemplified my own personal journey into veganism with just the right amount of willingness to learn more at the end. I remember going through every one of those points myself, ultimately coming to the same conclusion that it still didn't feel right for me and all I needed to do was just sit on it a little bit longer and gather a bit more information. I loved this talk
I am not vegan, but I found it amazing how much mental gymnastics that man was doing to justify what he wanted. And it’s probably the samething we all do without realising.
Yeah in a way all meat eaters are doing mental gymnastics to justify not converting to vegetarianism or veganism. Actually we're DEFINITELY doing mental gymnastics constantly. I am also not a vegan but I'm considering the change now.
i dont need to justify eating food, just like a shark does not need to justify eating food, just like a chicken does not need to justify eating a sentient bug
@@anonymoustv8604 if you eat humans, that is your own personal issue. i recommend you call the police about that issue. seek help. no one likes cannibals. are you also a serial killer?
False quote provided by NILF. Its non existent. Cult leaders are usually psychopaths with a desire for power and often take ideas from politics, religion and psychology to fulfill their purpose. Through mind control, they are able to filter their thoughts and behaviors into "fanatical faith and belief" among followers.
Hahahahaha you can't be serious? No one is casting out people for being vegan. Vegans on the other hand would gladly cast out omnivores if they weren't too malnourished to do it.
I would be screaming and running in circles around that table if I heard these many people using these exact same arguments so many times.... Ed, you're a hero.
Really loved how you tied it all together with the bullying comparison at the end. I'm going out to do my first street interview for my channel tomorrow - I'll see if I can incorporate some of this :)
Do some of these people you debate with write to you later and tell you they've become vegan? I would enjoy an episode in which you share such follow-up stories. I chose to be plant-based first for health reasons, not a moral position on eating meat, but since watching your videos and a few others, I sure feel bad for the animals now. I don't even know exactly when I stopped eating meat -- sometime late last winter -- because I just kept choosing it less and less as as I learned to eat more plants. (I was already dairy-free for over a decade thanks to lactose intolerance.) Thanks for what you do! ❤
Great talk! I particularly like how Ed doesn't let his questions go unanswered when the other fellow asks a distracting counter question. I've found this in my own debates with people that when they don't have a good answer they'll try to shift the conversation away and if you bring it back they'll have to own up to it. Or they'll just get nasty, but props to this dude for actually staying engaged and caring about logical consistency.
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„Meat eating - as long as it’s not causing a significant problem“ Has he not heard of climate change? Seems so crazy to me that people don’t know the effects their behaviour has on our very own lives and planet
the biggest problem is crop agriculture, not animal agriculture. you are just a brainwashed puppet. we need regenerative agriculture and permaculture. the world would be a wasteland if it was a vegan world.
This is the chillest debate on veganism I've seen lately. I'd much rather someone come up to me and say "I just love eating meat even though I know it's wrong, period" than having someone trying to "prove me wrong" and making sad excuses for their behaviour. Thanks for this debate Ed!
I support veganism but we can drink milk if- 1) calf has the share of its mother milk 2)cows and male calfes should be reacued from slaughterhouses and sent to santuries
@@PauIdenino thats cruel during olden times there was no artificial insemination cows used to get pregnent natuarally without human interfiarence between I follow a vegan as much as possible beacuse even I know dairy is cruel I follow mid path of lacto vegetarian and vegan
His honesty about eating meat despite failing the debate is exactly how the masses feel. You can show them their flaws but they will still purchase that burger. I guess what Mothe Nature has in store for us is well deserved even though the loss of life and habitat destruction will be savage.
humas evolved from eating meat. mother nature gave us meat to eat. eating crops is just as bad as earing animals. crops are not human food. human food is meat and fruit.
@@wheeledskeptic8052 I do not agree. This debate was something really new for him. He listened to Ed and he recognised that his answers were weak. Becoming vegan when you grew with a certain culture, traditions and habits is a long path. Even if you become a vegan overnight, you need to develop a morality, an empathy and the ability to accept yourself as an individual that can change. It takes time, and in some cases, like maybe this one, the very first step is listening to another point of view. So, I have hope ☺️🌱
@@wheeledskeptic8052 You can't really tell who will go vegan eventually and who won't so you have to assume there's a chance with everybody you encounter , right?
@@alexande94 I guess you might be right, this joker is trying to pull nonsensical arguments out of his arse to tirelessly justify his evils for seconds of taste pleasure. In my experience, these types of argumentative excuse makers.... Waist of time and energy. Their cognitive dissonance is off the charts, in my experience
If you have plant based meat that looks and tastes the same, that you can barbecue with friends for happiness or whatever, then it should be a no brainer to switch. Honestly my respect for Ed keeps increasing with each of these videos. I've met so many people like this guy and I never had the patience to debate them or argue with them, it goes to show that even as a vegan I have a lot to learn
Yea. I wasn't in the US for 2 years cuz covid and when we went back there I had the beyond burger in a restaurant 2 times and both times I asked if it's actually vegan. Over these years they have changed it I think and made it taste different than before. Not that we don't have beyond burger at home, it's just I don't buy it. Which comes to show that when taste is the same in vegan products in the future, meat eaters will have nothing to fall back on and that's when I see the real change starting to happen.
I would generally agree. Price is a factor for people as well though, and things like beyond meat tend to be more expensive. I haven't seen a good alternative for pot roast, brisket or short ribs yet unfortunately.
I absolutely love the levels of humility in some of these interviews. It's really refreshing seeing people willing to say "good point" and let their views be challenged. An unfortunately rare occurrence day to day.
@@GarudaLegends Get a book, maybe "This is vegan propaganda" by Ed Winters, and check how unhealthy is it really to be vegan vs not. Maybe you could understand that Jesus wasn't right or at least see all the immoral stuff happening in the Bible that makes it so evidently written by men and not by a god
Nah, your best debate was with Infowars. She tried ever single angle I've ever heard of. Not only that, but she tried certain angles on repeat with slightly different wording.
Kids are where more good needs to start. If he's a kid he's gonna talk like one. It doesn't automatically diminish the importance of his debate, words or input. I get it tho. It wasn't all to intriguing as usual. Unusual is nice too, I think.
This end of the video got me “you’ve gotta be 1% better everyday” Ed-“have a great life my friend”. This is what it’s about, having a debate and taking in information rather than pushing against it, love it. My veganniversary on 14th June thanks to you Ed from watching the video ‘this speech will change your life’. “What’s more important, taste…or life?” 🤯
Or just ed choose to upload those debates he won with "random people"..... Eds rhetoric and arguments is not very good from a philosopical point of view, he has extremly many flaws. Honestly im hahaha laughing how pepole think he "destroys people"... He is no better.
Ed, you are amazing- you pressed him on the question of morality till the very end! To Om: at the end of the day, it is not enough to merely concede a point in a debate on such an important issue. As an adult, you have the capacity to change your lifestyle and through that, the world around you. Hope you think about it.
“I’m stumped right now. You got the upper hand….I gotta do some research and sh*t.” Bless Om - you just gotta do some deep soul searching. You know what’s right. Nice discussion.
@@liammarshall-butler3384 You're totally right. How stupid of me to imagine that a baby that hasn't experienced any true darkness or comprehended evil could love its mother. Up until its first toothache. THEN the love kicks in. Right.
@@ApexHerbivore I am not making the claim that happiness can't exist outside of the opposition to suffering, just that we experience both from from the beginning
Thank you for keeping me sharp on my vegan rebuttal skills. I often watch these vids to put in my arsenal for when people ask me why I am vegan. I like the way you engage with people from a place of curiosity and not aggression. I also enjoy your nuanced angle. 🍃
He's spouting all the usual arguments, and there were times he clearly was changing the subject because he realized he was cornered. But respect to him for finally admitting he was stumped.
How embarrassing, he admitted "defeat" and then seconds after backtracked🙉🙉 Great job Ed, you're simply a splendid debater and of course it helps that your argument is based in pure logic unlike people trying to justify harming animals.. 😳😖
Oh my goodness. I'm in love with you, Earthling Ed, This video gave me THE CHILLS! You don't let anyone off the hook! Powerful, powerful, powerful. So kind, calm, collected, knowledgeable, aware...Love the intense comparisons on morals because they speak the truth so boldly! I was so struck when he talked about throwing morals out the window after having 6 beers and lambs with his buddies - the way you challenged him was perfect! Thank you for these videos and for being a voice for the voiceless. You are a hero and I appreciate you so much! ❤️
I refuse to believe that he or anyone would opt to cut a pig's throat instead of a broccoli stalk when it really came down to it. And after seeing the blood, hearing the cries, to argue that we don't know if that pig isn't happy. You're amazing, Ed. These people think they're so clever 🙄
Maybe you need to just leave your family alone and stop trying to brow beat them and judge them. A lot of people believe in economic justice and in helping the poor and have other causes they believe in and fight for. Getting emotional doesn’t help anything and most people don’t want someone shoving a microphone in their face like this
@@AMultipolarWorldIsEmerging Yeah agreed. Some people will almost certainly never change. We can only put forth our opinion. Makes me sad...I just hope decades from now there is some lab grown meat produced on a mass scale
@@1729krish In my view, man(un)kind is globally heading into the shitter. So, if things don't radically change, in the here & now, a few decades down the line will be too late. Could be wrong, but the signs are there.
@@AMultipolarWorldIsEmerging I do not mention my feelings thoughts or beliefs to my friends and family who are not vegan, it’s only when they ask me and that’s fine, I respect their choices as they do mine, but when they come from a place of judgment and anger i get sad.
@@1729krish lab grown meat exists. it is call impossible meat and beyond meat. it is failing. in a few dacades ppl will realize how unhealthy it is to be a vegan. physical and mental vegan decay
I love it when he says “very interesting”, these are such simple, right or wrong concepts. Just goes to show how people go through they’re entire lives without taking a second to think about the morality of their choices.
Such a gem! He actually did the work by himself because the very sincere arguments he made while answering were literally arguments we say on behalf of veganism. It is always a pleasure watching debate where two adults behave like grown-ups should. Lots of love🧡🌞
Yes, I noticed that too, I thought it was interesting. I’ll have to pay better attention to body language in Ed’s other debates. I bet there are a lot of crossed arms. At least this guy did change his posture though, and uncrossed those arms. He generally seemed very open to new knowledge/points.
It’s hilarious how everyone in these videos basically uses the exact same arguments and Ed just flicks in his mind to whatever page of the playbook to effortlessly debunk
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India has highest population of vegetarian(including myself) on earth
Earthling Ed, thank you so much for spreading this important message.
@Plant-BasedWorld vegan lifestyle is great
but we can drink milk in theses cases-
1) First calf should get a share of mothers milk and then humans
2) Male calves should not be killed they can live upto their natural age
3) once cows are not able to produce milk after a certain age they can be sent to a santury or they can be treated as pets till its natuaral age rather than sending them to slaughterhouse
@@kshitij862 It probably is moral in those cases but this option is only truly moral when keeping a dairy cow with a calf is an unavoidable situation(they are rescued). In my opinion we shouldn't engage in farming even if done as ethically as possible due to the incentive for profit which could lead to exploitation and land being taken away from wild animals who are already losing lots of land, especially in the UK. Vegans drinking milk could also send the wrong message and lead to people justifying their consumption of the same 'vegan' product. Also, this long cycle is so much worse for the environment than standard dairy farming and leads to less milk being produced. Overall, the most vegan milk to drink is plant based milk.
I know I may be misunderstanding your point and you are probably just saying that vegans 'can' drink milk however due to the rarity of these situations making milk vegan could be a slippery slope.
@@joshyboy6386 , .. Time-Iapse, 5-10 days 🧟♂️🦠🍖🔴... (inside your stomach) th-cam.com/video/MRT-vc5zRBY/w-d-xo.html ... 🤮 NO fibre !!! Stays in your body and rots away 🤮🤮🤮.....
That’s why I’m vegan, lots of fibre if you eat plants and fruit and nuts and berries and tubers and lentils beans et cetera. PH 7, no smell.
Which side of history are you on, Jeeffrey Dahmer 👓😩🦠🍖🔴... Or veganism ✅❤️💪😬😉??. You don’t hurt your cute little dog 😍🤗🐶🤥🤥🤥... Covid and Monkeypox, are animals eating 😒🍽🦠🍖🔴...
Go vegan. It’s cheap and no murder. Win-win situation ✅❤️🌎😉.
My wife was vegan. I was intrigued by it. She told me to watch Earthling ed. We than got in a bad accident and she passed away. I went to watch his videos after she died and now I’m vegan too. I thank you Ed, and my beautiful wife.
So sorry to hear about your wife 😢
Ed's patience is just... out of this world. Hearing the SAME arguments, over and over and over again, while mantaining the nicest and most composed demeanor...
Ed you're a gift to us.
He really is 🥺🥺
But bloodlust, tho.
like literally my favorite thing about ED! he is hands down THE MAN.... his patience and composure is winning in itself! confident!
Same could be said for the subscribers.
"But it's the circle of life tho"
"But it tastes so good!"
"But lions tho"
"But what if you were on an island with a cow?"
"But plants have feelings"
"But I need protein"
"But what if you kill it humanely?"
Same arguments again and again indeed. However, the benefit is that you can really prepare the answers beforehand, so you can easily win
I'll still never understand how people can genuinely think that cutting the stalk of a plant and cutting the throat of an animal can be morally comparable.
They just say that. They probably never cut a throat and never will (at least not themselve). They want to think that in theory it's the same.
I definitely don't think it is the same let's start with that, but are we sure we know what a plant feels? Maybe we don't understands pants as well as animals, because animals are more like us. Either way you are killing a living organism, the plant also don't want to die.
@@daanlinders7997 You don't need to necessarily kill plants to harvest their edible parts though.
@@daanlinders7997 I mean yes we know, if an organism doesn’t have a brain and a nervous system can’t have thoughts, can’t process emotions and feel the same physical pain compared to organisms that do.
They don't, excuses are just that. And if one excuse is proved wrong, they move to another. That's why this does not work to convince people, facts don't convince people.
I sounded exactly like the guy Ed's debating just a year ago. Some research later and having my views challenged and here I am, vegan for life. There's hope.
That’s awesome
Same! Almost 1 year since making the change for me 🌱
people like you give me hope for the future, thank you
Exactly! Me and my husband also were like this 3 years ago, but after research we accepted that we were wrong and brain washed by family “tradition”, now we’re vegan, happy, and feel wholesome!
A few years ago I would have been friends with this dude purely over “sticking it to the annoying vegans”. Free of the meat cult 3+ years and never felt better.
“You can be an outcast doing a moral thing.” -Ed
That’s a quote to remember
exactly, the excuse that a person would be ostracized for going vegan as a justification for continuing to eat animals is so insane because in any other context no one would justify doing the immoral thing to avoid being an outcast
if your family, group of friends are racist or sexist or homophobic then any sane person would agree to do a moral thing, rock the boat and not participate in discrimination or any injustice
@@FruityHachi You’d be surprised. My family sat and watched my mum abuse me, while not doing anything themselves, just gossiping about her behind her (and my) back. Many people will ignore others’ suffering if the majority are, regardless of their personal beliefs. Not many people are strong enough to break free of their conditioning.
@@xTwilightWolvesx the point is, that it's a weak excuse to do an immoral thing just because others are as well
@@FruityHachi Absolutely.
@@xTwilightWolvesxhey buddу іf І sее уоur mаmа іn thе strееt І'mmа f еr uр 👍
nah dawg I'm just playing lol unlеss уоu wаnt mе tо 🤝
Fair play to this dude for being willing to concede a point.
A rare thing in this world.
Yeah, instead of turning to sociopathy like a lot of the other people when questioned.
Yeah you have got to at least respect him for having a sliver of intellectual honesty in the end there.
Big ups to him
He gets in in the end 🖤
That shows integrity 👏
I took a shot everytime he said "at the end of the day" and im now in ICU
I laughed out loud at this, thank you! :-D
At the end of the day….
at the end of the day......i sleep
😂
When he said “God has a beautiful system” and Ed was like “Does he?”, I LOST IT 😂😂😂 We love you, Earthling Ed. Preach!
Same 😂
Seems only white people whonnever struggled hate life itself
He has wit!
A system that a child could improve on.
Nature is both the most horrifying and beautiful system.
Guy: "Tomorrow six beers down morality's out the window"
Ed: "No, mortality's not out the window. You wouldn't rape somebody."
Guy: ._.
Fucking dead :'D
Yeah and then he went on about weird (immoral) things people like doing to others, with a smirk on his face.. disgusting and creepy!
@@vioheubach3112 that's racist I think.
@@Ambrodilplus
Why?
Loved that
@@vioheubach3112 that was more of an awkward smile than one of genuine enjoyment of the topic at hand.
They know it’s wrong, deep down. That’s why most people don’t even want to debate. It’s uncomfortable.
簡單明瞭！謝謝你的發言👍🏻
Something can be wrong but still be necessary
most people aren't aware of the benefits of meat, that's why. talk to anyone who reads science and you'll see, and no the academy of nutrition and diabetetucs argument is BS
Killing a chicken isn’t wrong
Killing an inferior animal isn't wrong
He was so stern in his beliefs, he said even his dad couldn’t make him consider changing, but by the end of his conversation with Ed, he was way more open to learning & admitting where he was wrong. May seem like a baby step, but that’s actually huge
His dad was giving him bs argument tho lol
@@cultofscriabin9547 no he's not. We really aren't made to eat meat
@@ludwigiapilosa508 We aren't made, we are evolved. And yes, we are evolved in a way that we can easily eat cooked meat. Too much meat eating may not be optimal for health tho.
@@cultofscriabin9547 evolved, yes. To eat meat, absolutely not. If we were, we wouldn't get heart disease eating it. In no way are our bodies equipped to consume flesh. Being able to digest it doesn't mean we are.
@@ludwigiapilosa508 We are definitely evolved to eat meat since we are able to do so without problems, at least when it is cooked. Now, it may not be optimal for longevity/health, but it doesn't mean we aren't evolved to eat it. Also, can you give a citation for the claim that eating meat causes heart diseases ?
Obviously our body are equipped to consume flesh. Human beings can literally eat flesh for a lifetime.
I like how he pauses to rlly think abt the question posed to him. Shows he’s actually thinking abt what’s said instead of just spewing out talking points in a reactionary fashion. The fact that he was willing to concede further indicates he was at least operating in good faith, which I can appreciate.
I knw wht yre sayin but is it rlly tht hrd to write complete wrds in yr sentences?
@@jinxterx I’m a linguistic descriptivist. I believe language was created to communicate ideas. As long as that communication is facilitated by my “incomplete sentences”, I don’t see a problem with it.
What’s the point in holding ppl to some arbitrary standards with respect to their writing style if you understood what they meant? You sound like the type of person to say AAVE isn’t a “real” language bc it doesn’t adhere to your made up grammar rules.
Read some Chomsky, uneducated scrub
It's funny though, because while he concedes, it feels like he's just admitting that Ed is better at *debating* than him, not that Ed's objectively correct and posed issues that are worth changing. Maybe I'm being too cynical, I really liked his energy and I think he was one of the more fun debates we've ever seen.
"You wouldn't r*pe someone would you? Then morality is not out the window." I DIED!! Great response.
I had the same thought funily enough as Ed was saying it
You didn’t say anything remarkable. This guy was just humble enough to admit his logic was flawed and you were right. Most aren’t sharp enough for that kind of awareness
His humility to accept the perspective made this debate a top one.
No . He ran out of excuses. Poor Ed . He'd get more sense out of an onion .
@@juliecobbina2024 salty or something?
I got drunk whilst taking a shot every time he said “at the end of the day.” It’s my fault of course, but I’m choosing to blame him.
so vegans are sharp? ahahha seriously? 😂
Props to the dude for not letting his ego get the best of him and taking in what Ed was saying. Was a fun debate to watch.
But at the end of the day........ Stop the excuses, stop paying for animal cruelty and go vegan...
But at the end of the day
stop supporting insect genocide for crops, and eat only fruit, hypocrite
@@Wintermight yeah, you know, at the end of the day……
No.
Why is everyone so infatuated with he end of the day and not the beginning? The end of the day is when we make our dumbest decisions. .
“But at the end of the day…but at the end of the day….but at the end of the day…”
But at the end of the day bro
Fist bump, fist bump, fist bump...
Nah animals are food simple
buddaddiyenddoddaddayyy
Weird, when they’re not the victim, they start to “discuss” what morals and ethics are, what good vs bad means, what good vs right is…
I can only imagine being a professor trying to grade this guy’s papers and every single one says “at the end of the day” 500 times 😂
Props to this guy honestly. Everyone with half a brain he’s debated is thinking this but is too stubborn to admit it (like that one girl who kept saying she eats meat because Inuit people have to eat fish 😆), so when someone is actually humble enough to have an ‘honest conversation,’ we have to applaud them.
Completely agree!! I do kinda worry that the people Ed talks to see how they're being trashed in the comments - which'll just make them dig their heels in further (and dislike vegans). I hope he sees your message :)
I didnt see it, you could tells he was opposing Eds arguments just to not be wrong. None of the information was going into his thick head
Earthling 'beyond sausages are healthier for you than bacon' Ed is just a moron and y'all find out when you start suffering on the vegan diet aka the most unnatural diet ever created by man
@@mrSam3ooo he conceded defeat lol whether or not he goes vegan, most people stand on a sinking iceberg screaming the same idiotic platitudes about why people need meat to live. This guys actually said ‘you got me there’
@@jjmah7 it felt like he said it just to get out of what was becming an uncomfortable interaction (for him). Not cause the points made by Ed actually got to him. Idk maybe I'm being too cynical again
At the end of the day, he gave up.
He got brainwashed by Ed
Great to see someone with enough self-awareness to know when they have no more counters, and need a deeper look at the issue
But bloodlust, tho.
@@FixdalOK such a troll.
@@FixdalOK 😂 That guy was young. Cut him some slack.
@@FixdalOK Hopefully that's not the "argument" he comes back with 😂
This kid is super naive but he seems smart enough to realize sooner or later that animals suffer for his food
Kids suffered making your cell phone and mining for metals
@@DosAleph whats your solution for that? guess what happens to the kids if we stop buying
Exactly my feeling too.
@@DosAleph the solution for the animal suffering problem is very easy and there are 0 arguments against it, just go vegan
@@IIlIlIlIlIlIlIII 8f we stoo eating cows and chickens then climate change happens
Ed is the master of the Socratic method : asking questions
"I see what you did there"😂 Ed, you are absolutely a gift to vegans. I've been vegan for 32 years and I admire you beyond belief. ❤️❤️
Good
Ed has the patience of a saint.
@Paul Semmens Careful, these cultists are really touchy about their idol.
It’s always great to see Ed killing every single argument.
He’s finishing the debate by folding his arms over his body: very defensive.
Killing it humanely, of course
I like how he supports abortions but I cant eat a chicken period, this is why demokkkrats lose elections
I like to say that Ed is humanely culling the arguments.
@Paul Semmens What are the vegan fallacies, in your opinion?
@Paul Semmens What makes some being a "someone", in your opinion?
“That’s what life is all about, taking a new perspective.. learning everything because you gotta be one percent better everyday, gotta be the different person that went to bed.” So great to hear this after a tough debate with Ed.
Oh, so that is what he meant by the end of the day meaning so much to him.
I can’t watch these without yelling at my phone screen and wanting to pull my hair out. Ed’s patience is unbelievable
Probally see a dr ,you sound 🤪
Calm down lady. Cognitive dissonance is damn frustrating but hold on. Don't harm yourself because of these morons
Out of most debates I’ve seen he’s probably the realest one. I don’t like his views as a 6 year vegan but still, I’m glad he was at least honest that’s rare these days.
I've watched enough of these to anticipate Ed's next words- I said "does legality equal morality" at the same time he did in the debate. Love these videos. Definitely helps me out when I talk to friends and family about why I'm vegan and why they should be as well.
Someone should make a website: "What would Ed say"
same!! i always try to tuck his arguments away so i can use them later :)
@Paul Semmens You must feel attacked by all us rambunctious vegans, pushing our extreme lifestyles. She's simply stating the same thing that I am. Ed offers dialogues that are more effective than the ones that I have come up with. Therefore, I choose to use his points instead of my own. I don't care who comes up with the arguments I use, as long as they are sound and convincing. And keep more animals from being needlessly butchered for the sake of somebody's breakfast.
@Paul Semmens If people claim to be against animal cruelty, but knowingly pay for animals to be killed, they are hypocrites. There truly is very little difference between dogs/cats and cows/pigs. The only difference is that we view them under culturally-defined definitions and outdated practices that we long forgot how to question. Some people fool themselves because they do not want to think about the suffering that they inflict with their dollar or are incapable of thinking about it due to cultural trends. Veganism is ethically consistent to how the majority of people live. People who consume animal flesh, but claim to be against animal cruelty are the ones living with cognitive dissonance.
good or evil it's nonpreferential dude. good it's just 2+2=4 behavioural CORRECT answer relative to eachother environment etc. opposed of 2+2=preferences meaning corruption and wrong answer and not knowing and etc. synonyms.
it's not based on subjectivity and preferences (baseless accusations full of irony) and if you support and defend and want implementing full idiocracy subjectivity absolute freedom preferences corruptions infernos sufferings violations and etc absurd nonacceptable corruptions bc of defeating the purpose aspect (nonacceptable to this system), then clearly you should find such systems of inferno some day if you insanely insist destroying the ecosystem (find it not here unless it's transformed into a system like that through implementing atrocities breeding corruptions sufferings destructions deforestation etc. ). "keep" arguing against modern abolitionists while selfexposing defending breeding corruptions literally, therefore selfexposing as a supporter of corruptions and wanting implementing infernos on this planet or systems (which is nonacceptable similar as wouldn't be acceptable to destroy a good (CORRECT behaviours) space station or shooting yourself in the foot ).
I almost had vegan bingo with this one.
When he admitted he had no arguments anymore I was like: Nooo, don't give up! My excuses card is almost full! Dang it.
I should do that
Lmao "Don't give up"
Yeah, he even put up two at once a few times!
“Plants feel things but also what will we do with all these domestic animals that just exist on their own, huh??”
When you see every reason not to go vegan as an "excuse" you've already failed yourself and any meaningful chance of contributory discourse.
Hahahaha, so true!! Lions, plants, taste…BINGO!
At the end of the day, this guy had never thought about these things before and processed these assumptions of his, with a knowledgeable patient person like Ed. Well done Ed, thank you helping this guy think.
It just occurred to me while watching this how many plants we can eat that don’t even require killing the plant. Like I can pick fruits off a tree while leaving the tree alive, same for nuts and many vegetables. I’d say even in industrial situations leaving the whole plant alive is more productive. They’re not bulldozing trees down to get the fruits and vegetables. I suppose the exception to this is root vegetables and sprouts.
You should look up Jainism
@@welcomeback2mychannel I was going to say the same😂
Fruitarian
I like people who are open to being wrong, that's a really underrated trait. I think being able to take new information and change your beliefs based upon that information is a lot harder than many people believe it is.
But at the end of the day
"I feel like we live in a world where we have to mold our morality according to legality."
This is a completely insane argument.
Lol its like that one insane dude Ed debated a while back who says his morality is 100% based on what is legal.
I realize legality is not ultimately, the only reason, but their ARE laws on the books that matter, such as protections for domestic animals. It’s not a stretch to apply those laws to other creatures.
@@krishnaveganatharI think what they meant is that there are laws based on morality, but we shouldn't base our morality on laws
like if it was suddenly illegal to touch your own arm, it still wouldn't be immoral to do so
and the fact that the law allows animals to be put in tiny crates until they are killed doesn't make it legal and we shouldn't think it was just because it's the law
This might sound good for a lot of people if they think about their current situation.
But situations can easily change. As a German i'd just need to go back 80 years. Hell, as someone living in east Germany its pretty much just 35.
If people around you are being killed for trying to leave the territory or prosecuted for sharing this plan then i doubt you'd see that as the moral thing to do. Or at least you definitely shouldnt.
@@krishnaveganathar in the US there are literally loophole laws so those protections for pets don’t apply to agriculture. That’s why morality can’t be contingent on legality- it should be the other way around more often!
Slaughter is animal cruelty. Ban meat.
Meat is hear to stay
Ban vegans, they’re annoying.
You clearly don't know what cruelty is then.
I feel like this guy is a future vegan. He perfectly exemplified my own personal journey into veganism with just the right amount of willingness to learn more at the end. I remember going through every one of those points myself, ultimately coming to the same conclusion that it still didn't feel right for me and all I needed to do was just sit on it a little bit longer and gather a bit more information. I loved this talk
I am not vegan, but I found it amazing how much mental gymnastics that man was doing to justify what he wanted.
And it’s probably the samething we all do without realising.
Yeah in a way all meat eaters are doing mental gymnastics to justify not converting to vegetarianism or veganism. Actually we're DEFINITELY doing mental gymnastics constantly. I am also not a vegan but I'm considering the change now.
@@pundah7084 Why are you two not vegan?
@@NN-cr6gxBecause it's harder. But with people like Ed and many people trying meat alternatives the market share is shifting. Which is a good thing.
Respect to see someone admit when they don't have a justification, well done thank you for being honest
i dont need to justify eating food, just like a shark does not need to justify eating food, just like a chicken does not need to justify eating a sentient bug
@@GarudaLegends And just like me who does not need to justify eating humans. Innit?
@@anonymoustv8604 if you eat humans, that is your own personal issue. i recommend you call the police about that issue. seek help. no one likes cannibals. are you also a serial killer?
@@anonymoustv8604 so your against abotion
@@GarudaLegends oooo9ooh in telling rosita
This guy was so real, another great interview/debate Ed!
He was real? "Oh yeah but bro lamb is so tasty bro, come on bro, plants feel pain too bro" Fuck this guy
"To know if someone really wants to fight for justice, you have to see what they eat." - Senator Jesusa Rodriguez
chickens and pigs eat meat. your comment is stupid if you are talking about food
awesome quote, thank you
so if someone is vegan but still kills people/ animals they still fight for justice?
False quote provided by NILF. Its non existent.
Cult leaders are usually psychopaths with a desire for power and often take ideas from politics, religion and psychology to fulfill their purpose. Through mind control, they are able to filter their thoughts and behaviors into "fanatical faith and belief" among followers.
bad quote, completely misleading
Ed, you were great! Letting him talk, throwing in a joke here and there which were really 'gotcha!' moments, loved it!! Great job!!
you can be an outcast doing a moral thing. this is what veganism feels like in some parts of the world
Hahahahaha you can't be serious?
No one is casting out people for being vegan.
Vegans on the other hand would gladly cast out omnivores if they weren't too malnourished to do it.
I would be screaming and running in circles around that table if I heard these many people using these exact same arguments so many times.... Ed, you're a hero.
Meh animals are food
@@rondarkman. Animals are obviously living beings with complex emotions.
@@woosh2055
Yes and they are also food
@@rondarkman. you are a weirdo
ahoj, ako dlho uz si veganka?
Really loved how you tied it all together with the bullying comparison at the end. I'm going out to do my first street interview for my channel tomorrow - I'll see if I can incorporate some of this :)
Do some of these people you debate with write to you later and tell you they've become vegan? I would enjoy an episode in which you share such follow-up stories. I chose to be plant-based first for health reasons, not a moral position on eating meat, but since watching your videos and a few others, I sure feel bad for the animals now. I don't even know exactly when I stopped eating meat -- sometime late last winter -- because I just kept choosing it less and less as as I learned to eat more plants. (I was already dairy-free for over a decade thanks to lactose intolerance.) Thanks for what you do! ❤
Ed is a real hero in this world. So eloquent, well-researched, etc. Amazing debate tactics; thank you for existing!
Great talk! I particularly like how Ed doesn't let his questions go unanswered when the other fellow asks a distracting counter question. I've found this in my own debates with people that when they don't have a good answer they'll try to shift the conversation away and if you bring it back they'll have to own up to it. Or they'll just get nasty, but props to this dude for actually staying engaged and caring about logical consistency.
„Meat eating - as long as it’s not causing a significant problem“ Has he not heard of climate change? Seems so crazy to me that people don’t know the effects their behaviour has on our very own lives and planet
Yea couldn’t help but laugh at that 😅 And even more obvious - it’s causing a problem for the animal, a deathly problem
the biggest problem is crop agriculture, not animal agriculture. you are just a brainwashed puppet. we need regenerative agriculture and permaculture. the world would be a wasteland if it was a vegan world.
@@myrrysmaikku you still pay ppl to intentionally murder sentient beings for your vegan diet.
meat and climate change is totally BS and vegan propaganda
Eating meat also aready caused pandemics
This is the chillest debate on veganism I've seen lately. I'd much rather someone come up to me and say "I just love eating meat even though I know it's wrong, period" than having someone trying to "prove me wrong" and making sad excuses for their behaviour. Thanks for this debate Ed!
I support veganism but we can drink milk if-
1) calf has the share of its mother milk
2)cows and male calfes should be reacued from slaughterhouses and sent to santuries
@You scared? why
thats how the indian culture works
@@kshitij862 And what about artificially inseminating the cows?
@@PauIdenino thats cruel
during olden times there was no artificial insemination cows used to get pregnent natuarally without human interfiarence
between I follow a vegan as much as possible beacuse even I know dairy is cruel
I follow mid path of lacto vegetarian and vegan
nothing wrong with eating meat, just like nothing wrong with eating plants
Only if I had a $1 for every time this man said, " At the end of the day"
At the end of the day, you’d be rich
@@aaronmerkel5216
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Perfect reply!!
Take a shot
"But at the end of the day bro.."
No way he actually thought plants were morally equivalent to an animal like himself, he just started talking and decided to run with it
Always gotta give props to people like this. It takes a lot to admit you're wrong and this guy is well on his way to a more ethical lifestyle.
And his dad will be happier and proud ;)
His honesty about eating meat despite failing the debate is exactly how the masses feel. You can show them their flaws but they will still purchase that burger. I guess what Mothe Nature has in store for us is well deserved even though the loss of life and habitat destruction will be savage.
humas evolved from eating meat. mother nature gave us meat to eat. eating crops is just as bad as earing animals. crops are not human food. human food is meat and fruit.
Ed is incredibly articulate and patient. Great video.
"well, I got eggs too"
"ah well that's a shame"
Great debate Ed! Nice to see someone really take in what you're saying and think about it.
“But at the end of the day” this guy will read all the great resources Ed gave him, and maybe he will rethink his choices. Great debate, as always 🌱
He won't change anything, he's a selfish, excuse making ROBOT
@@wheeledskeptic8052 I do not agree. This debate was something really new for him. He listened to Ed and he recognised that his answers were weak. Becoming vegan when you grew with a certain culture, traditions and habits is a long path. Even if you become a vegan overnight, you need to develop a morality, an empathy and the ability to accept yourself as an individual that can change. It takes time, and in some cases, like maybe this one, the very first step is listening to another point of view. So, I have hope ☺️🌱
@@elpisovegano you are optimistic, good on you. I heard and saw something different
@@wheeledskeptic8052 You can't really tell who will go vegan eventually and who won't so you have to assume there's a chance with everybody you encounter , right?
@@alexande94 I guess you might be right, this joker is trying to pull nonsensical arguments out of his arse to tirelessly justify his evils for seconds of taste pleasure. In my experience, these types of argumentative excuse makers.... Waist of time and energy. Their cognitive dissonance is off the charts, in my experience
If you have plant based meat that looks and tastes the same, that you can barbecue with friends for happiness or whatever, then it should be a no brainer to switch. Honestly my respect for Ed keeps increasing with each of these videos. I've met so many people like this guy and I never had the patience to debate them or argue with them, it goes to show that even as a vegan I have a lot to learn
If you eat fake meat you're a veg poser.
Yea. I wasn't in the US for 2 years cuz covid and when we went back there I had the beyond burger in a restaurant 2 times and both times I asked if it's actually vegan. Over these years they have changed it I think and made it taste different than before. Not that we don't have beyond burger at home, it's just I don't buy it. Which comes to show that when taste is the same in vegan products in the future, meat eaters will have nothing to fall back on and that's when I see the real change starting to happen.
@@janmajnik6889 I already see meat eaters trash vegan meat as heavily processed and unhealthy. They even say, why go for fake when there’s original!
there's no "healthy" plant based meat on the market anywhere tho. Its loaded with things not good for you.
I would generally agree. Price is a factor for people as well though, and things like beyond meat tend to be more expensive. I haven't seen a good alternative for pot roast, brisket or short ribs yet unfortunately.
I absolutely love the levels of humility in some of these interviews. It's really refreshing seeing people willing to say "good point" and let their views be challenged. An unfortunately rare occurrence day to day.
At the end of the day...there is no argument against veganism
"At the end of the day".... My God, please let this friggin' day end.
🤣😂
Ed: "If I was a god"
You already are, Ed. You're Vegan Jesus. 😂🌱
Jesus ate meat and would not promote an unhealthy vegan diet.. get mental help
You going to nail him to a cross?
@@GarudaLegends Get a book, maybe "This is vegan propaganda" by Ed Winters, and check how unhealthy is it really to be vegan vs not. Maybe you could understand that Jesus wasn't right or at least see all the immoral stuff happening in the Bible that makes it so evidently written by men and not by a god
@@GarudaLegends did you meet Jesus and see him eat a dead animal yourself? or are you blindly believing what someone else said / wrote?
@@flowersandlace it is recorded of what he ate. he was definitely not a vegan or even a vegetarian
Nah, your best debate was with Infowars. She tried ever single angle I've ever heard of. Not only that, but she tried certain angles on repeat with slightly different wording.
Really enjoyed this one. Om seems like a very nice guy.
The fact that he admitted his argument was invalid isn't enough to justify watching him talk like a kid for 15 minutes. Save your time.
Kids are where more good needs to start. If he's a kid he's gonna talk like one. It doesn't automatically diminish the importance of his debate, words or input. I get it tho. It wasn't all to intriguing as usual. Unusual is nice too, I think.
This end of the video got me “you’ve gotta be 1% better everyday” Ed-“have a great life my friend”. This is what it’s about, having a debate and taking in information rather than pushing against it, love it. My veganniversary on 14th June thanks to you Ed from watching the video ‘this speech will change your life’. “What’s more important, taste…or life?” 🤯
Make that 4 ywars
It’s incredible how clockwork non-vegan’s arguments are. This person hit every single cliche hahaha.
Or just ed choose to upload those debates he won with "random people".....
Eds rhetoric and arguments is not very good from a philosopical point of view, he has extremly many flaws. Honestly im hahaha laughing how pepole think he "destroys people"... He is no better.
@@el29can you elaborate?
Every single argument just comes down to ‘I like the taste’ 😅
Taste is not an argument
No it doesn't.
Ed, you are amazing- you pressed him on the question of morality till the very end! To Om: at the end of the day, it is not enough to merely concede a point in a debate on such an important issue. As an adult, you have the capacity to change your lifestyle and through that, the world around you. Hope you think about it.
“I’m stumped right now. You got the upper hand….I gotta do some research and sh*t.” Bless Om - you just gotta do some deep soul searching. You know what’s right. Nice discussion.
11:32 "How do you know love without suffering?"
Ask an infant who's gazing up at its mother.
I think infants have experienced suffering
@@liammarshall-butler3384 really 🤡
@@ApexHerbivore Have you interacted with infants? They kinda cry a lot. They experience pain, hunger, discomfort, all kinds of suffering
@@liammarshall-butler3384 You're totally right. How stupid of me to imagine that a baby that hasn't experienced any true darkness or comprehended evil could love its mother. Up until its first toothache. THEN the love kicks in. Right.
@@ApexHerbivore I am not making the claim that happiness can't exist outside of the opposition to suffering, just that we experience both from from the beginning
Well done Ed, thank you for raising awareness 💪🏼🌱
Thank you for keeping me sharp on my vegan rebuttal skills. I often watch these vids to put in my arsenal for when people ask me why I am vegan. I like the way you engage with people from a place of curiosity and not aggression. I also enjoy your nuanced angle. 🍃
And why are you vegan exactly?
Nice to see someone capable of rethinking their position and so readily and honestly admitting it.
He's spouting all the usual arguments, and there were times he clearly was changing the subject because he realized he was cornered. But respect to him for finally admitting he was stumped.
At the end of the day you're back in the same place you started if you don't change your mind with the facts being presented!! 👈💚🌱✌️
He's really honest and open to thinking more about this. That's awesome.
Because a large proportion of Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and Buddhist accept truth that is why most of them are Vegetarian
"At the end of the day"....I've noticed that that seems to be a favorite excuse card to throw down from the carnists....
Nah animals my food that's it pretty simple
You know those dinner party conversations you sometimes have, like "who's your modern day hero?" - Ed Winters!
I liked that subtle "you get where I'm going"' - "Not really"
How embarrassing, he admitted "defeat" and then seconds after backtracked🙉🙉 Great job Ed, you're simply a splendid debater and of course it helps that your argument is based in pure logic unlike people trying to justify harming animals.. 😳😖
Ed: best example of the Socratic method. A strong debator matched only by a winning topic!
Oh my goodness. I'm in love with you, Earthling Ed, This video gave me THE CHILLS!
You don't let anyone off the hook! Powerful, powerful, powerful. So kind, calm, collected, knowledgeable, aware...Love the intense comparisons on morals because they speak the truth so boldly! I was so struck when he talked about throwing morals out the window after having 6 beers and lambs with his buddies - the way you challenged him was perfect!
Thank you for these videos and for being a voice for the voiceless. You are a hero and I appreciate you so much! ❤️
I love this man's honesty and good faith. Gives me hope :)
Thank you Ed for your patient work.
Certainly one of your best debates Ed 👏👏
I refuse to believe that he or anyone would opt to cut a pig's throat instead of a broccoli stalk when it really came down to it. And after seeing the blood, hearing the cries, to argue that we don't know if that pig isn't happy. You're amazing, Ed. These people think they're so clever 🙄
I need you Ed at my family gatherings/ social events 😅 I get too emotional
Maybe you need to just leave your family alone and stop trying to brow beat them and judge them. A lot of people believe in economic justice and in helping the poor and have other causes they believe in and fight for. Getting emotional doesn’t help anything and most people don’t want someone shoving a microphone in their face like this
@@AMultipolarWorldIsEmerging Yeah agreed. Some people will almost certainly never change. We can only put forth our opinion. Makes me sad...I just hope decades from now there is some lab grown meat produced on a mass scale
@@1729krish
In my view, man(un)kind is globally heading into the shitter.
So, if things don't radically change, in the here & now, a few decades down the line will be too late.
Could be wrong, but the signs are there.
@@AMultipolarWorldIsEmerging I do not mention my feelings thoughts or beliefs to my friends and family who are not vegan, it’s only when they ask me and that’s fine, I respect their choices as they do mine, but when they come from a place of judgment and anger i get sad.
@@1729krish lab grown meat exists. it is call impossible meat and beyond meat. it is failing. in a few dacades ppl will realize how unhealthy it is to be a vegan. physical and mental vegan decay
Half way through, and he literally just said that murdering a pig is no worse than cutting broccoli? Meat eaters are fucking insane ...
I love it when he says “very interesting”, these are such simple, right or wrong concepts. Just goes to show how people go through they’re entire lives without taking a second to think about the morality of their choices.
I was going to say “iPad babies” but maybe he’s too old for that 😅
Such a gem! He actually did the work by himself because the very sincere arguments he made while answering were literally arguments we say on behalf of veganism. It is always a pleasure watching debate where two adults behave like grown-ups should. Lots of love🧡🌞
4:27 his arms fold. He already knows he's been defeated in this debate, and is on the defensive....
Great job Ed!
Yes, I noticed that too, I thought it was interesting. I’ll have to pay better attention to body language in Ed’s other debates. I bet there are a lot of crossed arms.
At least this guy did change his posture though, and uncrossed those arms. He generally seemed very open to new knowledge/points.
Meh animals are my food nothing to debate
@@rondarkman. I don't know why you find the act of trolling and upsetting vegans online so satisfying and enriching, but I hope you feel better soon
this was certainly a rollercoaster of emotions
The shift at 16:46 through the rest of the video was very refreshing. Every debate on this channel should go like that
He really hit all the bingo squares in regards to excuses. But I'm glad he was open-minded and willing to learn
It’s hilarious how everyone in these videos basically uses the exact same arguments and Ed just flicks in his mind to whatever page of the playbook to effortlessly debunk
Love this kid! He has an ability to reflect. And answer honestly. Rare!