You don't need to run your belt around to the second group of thermal power stations, you can place a sorter from each of the first line to the second line power stations and it will load just fine.
I know what you mean. I am starting to destroy fluid tanks to get rid of it. With the gas giant making unlimited hydrogen it's just over kill. That being said you need a lot of hydrogen to make the green blocks but still not much as I am making.
You can convert all the oil to hydrogen to isolate it to one output of hydrogen. You just loop the hydrogen back through the cracking system a second time while the oil only goes to cracking. You just need to create an overflow for the hydrogen to move on after all the oil is consumed. It's good for setting up cube production.
Nice Video, I really appreciate your build! If you want to build up a red matrix production, you can go for a different build up: You will Need a refined oil production of 6/s and around that you build 24 refinery’s. All refinery’s go x-ray cracking, so they will produce 6/s graphite and 18/s hydrogen. But you don’t connect extern hydrogen with them, just make them use their own hydrogen again, so in the end there will be a production of 6/s hydrogen aswell and you can feed exactly 18 matrix labs with this production. All you need to do is put 2 hydrogen in the first oil refinery, so they produce hydrogen for themselves. I was so amazed when I figured that out 😂 Ofc you can double everything with a faster conveyor belt
Ok was looking for simple Oil Hydrogen Setup and this Vid was perfect. Not too long, straight to the point, still explained everything. Keep it going bro. Sharing this with friends. Alerts on now so please more :)
Ah crap, forgot about those priority function, I had a different setup with more splitters and belts but this one is more simpler. The extra hydrogen you can also use for power. And the graphite you can also use in your labs and overflow in power. Because coal will get used up so better use this technique for infinite graphene. Because you gonna need it later
I've been playing again since a couple of years before and this is the farthest i've reached but i couldn't figure out how to make red cubes a bit more efficient but your video has helped me a lot, I did thought to use cracking but didn't know how to actually get rid of the oil excess. Thank you so much! (yeah 3 yrs later lol)
Just grabbed the game a few days ago and am now at this point in the game. I couldn't figure out a really good setup for oil/hydrogen before watching your video. Thanks so much for creating this; it's extremely helpful to new players such as myself. Keep up the good work
I use my refined oil alot more for sulfuric acid and plastics :) Its interesting balancing this stuff out. But combining x-ray cracking with the likes of fractioning into deuterium is nice
i have no idea what to do with the deuterium later, but as soon as i got fractioning, i set up a loop of lots of fractionators. they occasionally convert one hydrogen to deuterium and only those few hydrogen that got converted to deuterium need to be replaced by new ones (which can easily be done with such a splitter or by sideloading), but the rest can loop around forever in an almost unconnected circle (i mean "no need to pass your entire hydrogen production itself through the fractionators").
One oil refinery doing plasma extraction, feed two oil refineries directly that use xray cracking. One xray cracker, don't filter the sorter. The other xray cracker, filter just refined oil. Have two sorters output from first xray cracker (that is receiving unsorted from plasma extraction) to the one receiving only refined oil, have one sorter going back into the unsorted xray cracker from the sorted one, and congrats. You now are producing only graphite and hydrogen from your crude oil at a 1:1 ratio with each other, perfect for making red science. You don't need a bunch of spaghetti belts to do it either, since the 3 oil refineries are direct feeding each other. The output belt can also be mixed (hydrogen + graphite) and filter splitted with a splitter later. Just make sure you don't connect the output sorters until the two xray crackers are fully running and feeding each other. Because this setup is pretty much perfect for making red cubes, it's best to make a temporary cheesy setup to get your first 400 red science and get xray cracking first before anything. The rest of red science will be a breeze. This setup produces zero run-off refined oil, so when you reach yellow cubes you'll have to do normal plasma refining with another crude oil source to make your refined oil -> sulphur -> organic crystals -> titanium crystals production line.
While x-ray cracking looks attractive for red research, oil is way more important once you start to need plastic. You can harvest H2 for infinite source so I would not go x-ray cracking (I tore mine down)
I just fly throught he whole star cluster ones with a inventory full of orbital collectors and put them on all gas giants. That will give you a lot of fire ice, a bit of deuterium and basically unlimited hydrogen. You just need a few warpers. Also Grahpene and Graphite are two very different things. You constantly call Graphite Graphene
Oh yeah!? What if you're on an O class star and you no gots gas, I mean a gas giant in the sysyem? I have a finite amount of fire ice... so it looks like I'll have to ship stuff from my home system before I can effect my true huge Dyson Sphere of ultimate Jiggy Watts and ship my Panasonic Solid State Battery Accumulators thruout the galaxy! Ok, I'll just make solar panels and thermal gens... I actually don't understand the need for ultimate Jiggy Watt production... ... ...
Nice Channel! Good explanations it helps a lot. Can you do a Video about interplanetary Transport, Energy und most important energy from the dyson Sphere please? Im currently building my sphere but can’t get any energy from it
Defintely useful at early game, but after that the amount of refined oil and hydrogen needed is just too insane I have to remove all cracking refineries lol
graphite stacks higher giving you more full per stack, but the hydrogen has more fuel per unit (but a way smaller stack size) honestly early on i burn anything i need too to keep the mecha powered!
Been enjoying your videos and twitch streams on this game. Was mucking about yesterday tying to come with a good oil cracking setup myself so going to try this out as time permits. Thanks!
So, upgrade to this: Crude to refiners as normal. Feed the hydrogen into a splitter with priority to a Planitary Logistics (PL) and the overflow into a bunch of generators. The refined feed into a splitter with priority to the PL and overflow into a bank of xray refinerys. The hydrogen output of the refinerys priority split back to the input of the xray refineries, on the overflow a second splitter with priority the the PL and overflow to the generators. Finally, the Carbon output of the xray ref gets priority split to the PL with overflow to the generators. *important note* when combining the 3 waste to generator lines, it is important you use priority to burn first the carbon, then the stage 1 hydrogen then the stage 2 hydrogen to avoid jams. This system will autobalance your changing demands between hydrogen and oil without ever needing more input.
One way to create an overflow system is to stack 2 storage units in a line. Limit the bottom storage to 1 stack (or more if you want a reserve) then run a belt from the top storage unit. The top storage will only get items when the bottom storage unit is full.
Please consider that you can setup your cracking so that you only need to start the hydrogen. I have tested this in my game and it works great. When you setup the Hydrogen, put the feed belt right next to the refineries -- straight from before the first to past the last. Now consider the three Input/Output ports on the refinery which are by that feed belt, the first one, you want to put OUT of the refinery and filter on Hyrdrogen. The next two, you want to have as INPUTs (no filter needed). Make them all Mk I and it works. Put the Plastic in and Carbon out on the other side. Make sure you put a tank to catch the Hydro that gets past the last refinery. Also, a box to catch the Carbon coming off its feed belt. You can let the oil just stack up if you want. Then, once everything is powered and pulled in the Oil that it needs, drop two -- yeap, just needs two Hydrogen on the input side of the Hydrogen feed belt. It will get snapped up by the first Refinery and it will make 3, it will snap up the first two, but one goes by... and so on.. beautiful to watch... You can continue to add refineries in that line until the oil stops flowing on its run...
@@JDPlays Yeah, nothing seems to jive 100%. I'm getting excess oil even though I'm set up to run 2:1 on refining to cracking. Got awkward storage tanks leading to power plants just to burn off the excess. Gotta rebuild it all again to try and simplify! (which is why i'm here). I definitely enjoy struggling through it creating an awkward spaghetti mess to start with, though!
Are the resources truly "Infinite" or just set to maximum. I would like to know before I think about buying this game as I prefer the resources to be unlimited.
You can set a resource-multiplicator for ressources at the start of the game to be unlimited - but why would you? You got plenty of planets to prospect - unlim ressources will take the need to do so away
@@padreigh Because I'm that sort of person. I just prefer unlimited resources instead of the stress from planning within the constraints of limited resources creating a form of time limit.
@@aurongrande6141 Me too. I know it's irrational, but it's the reason I avoid RTS games and play Satisfactory rather than Factorio. I want to enjoy at my own pace which for me is more fun that the intended method of resources running out or forced time windows
@@thisisworsethanyahoo Exactly. I like to take my time in resource management games like these. Gives me time to think about what to do instead of pushing myself to build stuff carefully so I don't waste anything
You have plenty of time. Dont waste stuff and keep your storages low and produce only what you need. Click on a storage and use the lower bar too decrease the size of the storage. Only use big storages if you really need them. You will need to get to other planets anyway because you cant find all the stuff on your own planet of it will take 10 times more factories and space to do so. So don't use the very in efficient technologies for too long. Also game is more fun with less stuff, you need to keep thinking and you need to make new plans. Its a great game.
When I set my filters like you did eventually the ones cracking stop working because the belts are full of hydrogen. Its in a continuous loop and the machines get full
I never use hydrogen for power generation. Storing it for later use in deuterium production is much more valuable than burning it for energy since you get endless graphite anyway. You need it down the value chain for gravity matrices.
You don't need to run your belt around to the second group of thermal power stations, you can place a sorter from each of the first line to the second line power stations and it will load just fine.
This is a great tip. You helped me out... two years later. My early game is a lot cleaner this time around:D
Once I saw how slowly Hydrogen burned I was amazed at how many furnaces I can run with it lol
I get a lot of my hydrogen from the gas giant, have 10 extractors there, and use it all for power
Thats a bit later in the game, Ive done the same and also collected other rare materials from gas giants
Are gas giants unlimited hydrogen or do they run out? I can see the info for hydrogen per second, but it mentions nothing about the total available.
@@eugkra33 Gas giants are unlimited, so cover them, mainly for the deuterium
I just use a splitter to separate the fuel from the hydrogen, having them both move on the same line until that point.
7:30 just mentioning it but you can stack the splinters upwards same as whit storage
Just burning the graphite is a great idea
do you have a video on sulfiric acid production? i am in point of make it and have trouble with ratios.
Here I am just realizing that the storage tanks can be used for other things besides just water. :D
Not even in the far future will humanity stop fracking.
Okay, and what is unlimited there?
Refined oil will run out at a certain time.
So what the fuck is unlimited there?
Yup, I agree to this
I have too much goddamn Hydrogen and not enough time lol
I know what you mean. I am starting to destroy fluid tanks to get rid of it. With the gas giant making unlimited hydrogen it's just over kill. That being said you need a lot of hydrogen to make the green blocks but still not much as I am making.
You can convert all the oil to hydrogen to isolate it to one output of hydrogen. You just loop the hydrogen back through the cracking system a second time while the oil only goes to cracking. You just need to create an overflow for the hydrogen to move on after all the oil is consumed. It's good for setting up cube production.
Nice Video, I really appreciate your build!
If you want to build up a red matrix production, you can go for a different build up:
You will Need a refined oil production of 6/s and around that you build 24 refinery’s.
All refinery’s go x-ray cracking, so they will produce 6/s graphite and 18/s hydrogen. But you don’t connect extern hydrogen with them, just make them use their own hydrogen again, so in the end there will be a production of 6/s hydrogen aswell and you can feed exactly 18 matrix labs with this production. All you need to do is put 2 hydrogen in the first oil refinery, so they produce hydrogen for themselves. I was so amazed when I figured that out 😂
Ofc you can double everything with a faster conveyor belt
Nice!
Ok was looking for simple Oil Hydrogen Setup and this Vid was perfect. Not too long, straight to the point, still explained everything. Keep it going bro. Sharing this with friends. Alerts on now so please more :)
Ah crap, forgot about those priority function, I had a different setup with more splitters and belts but this one is more simpler. The extra hydrogen you can also use for power. And the graphite you can also use in your labs and overflow in power. Because coal will get used up so better use this technique for infinite graphene. Because you gonna need it later
I've been playing again since a couple of years before and this is the farthest i've reached but i couldn't figure out how to make red cubes a bit more efficient but your video has helped me a lot, I did thought to use cracking but didn't know how to actually get rid of the oil excess. Thank you so much! (yeah 3 yrs later lol)
Just grabbed the game a few days ago and am now at this point in the game. I couldn't figure out a really good setup for oil/hydrogen before watching your video. Thanks so much for creating this; it's extremely helpful to new players such as myself. Keep up the good work
I use my refined oil alot more for sulfuric acid and plastics :)
Its interesting balancing this stuff out.
But combining x-ray cracking with the likes of fractioning into deuterium is nice
it is very handy cuz you will need a lot of that later in the game
i have no idea what to do with the deuterium later, but as soon as i got fractioning, i set up a loop of lots of fractionators. they occasionally convert one hydrogen to deuterium and only those few hydrogen that got converted to deuterium need to be replaced by new ones (which can easily be done with such a splitter or by sideloading), but the rest can loop around forever in an almost unconnected circle (i mean "no need to pass your entire hydrogen production itself through the fractionators").
One oil refinery doing plasma extraction, feed two oil refineries directly that use xray cracking. One xray cracker, don't filter the sorter. The other xray cracker, filter just refined oil. Have two sorters output from first xray cracker (that is receiving unsorted from plasma extraction) to the one receiving only refined oil, have one sorter going back into the unsorted xray cracker from the sorted one, and congrats. You now are producing only graphite and hydrogen from your crude oil at a 1:1 ratio with each other, perfect for making red science.
You don't need a bunch of spaghetti belts to do it either, since the 3 oil refineries are direct feeding each other. The output belt can also be mixed (hydrogen + graphite) and filter splitted with a splitter later. Just make sure you don't connect the output sorters until the two xray crackers are fully running and feeding each other.
Because this setup is pretty much perfect for making red cubes, it's best to make a temporary cheesy setup to get your first 400 red science and get xray cracking first before anything. The rest of red science will be a breeze. This setup produces zero run-off refined oil, so when you reach yellow cubes you'll have to do normal plasma refining with another crude oil source to make your refined oil -> sulphur -> organic crystals -> titanium crystals production line.
I need to see this to understand!
@@fayainz Got to Nilaus, he has a video tutorial on how to do it
While x-ray cracking looks attractive for red research, oil is way more important once you start to need plastic. You can harvest H2 for infinite source so I would not go x-ray cracking (I tore mine down)
I set this up so you could turn it ON and OFF with a simple splitter :)
You mean harvest from gas giants?
@@sickre yes
I just fly throught he whole star cluster ones with a inventory full of orbital collectors and put them on all gas giants. That will give you a lot of fire ice, a bit of deuterium and basically unlimited hydrogen. You just need a few warpers. Also Grahpene and Graphite are two very different things. You constantly call Graphite Graphene
Oh yeah!? What if you're on an O class star and you no gots gas, I mean a gas giant in the sysyem?
I have a finite amount of fire ice... so it looks like I'll have to ship stuff from my home system before I can effect my true huge Dyson Sphere of ultimate Jiggy Watts and ship my Panasonic Solid State Battery Accumulators thruout the galaxy!
Ok, I'll just make solar panels and thermal gens... I actually don't understand the need for ultimate Jiggy Watt production... ... ...
Nice Channel! Good explanations it helps a lot. Can you do a Video about interplanetary Transport, Energy und most important energy from the dyson Sphere please? Im currently building my sphere but can’t get any energy from it
NEXT video interplanetary Transport! Swarm sounds like a great video afterwards!
This was super helpful!!!
i also did this but in a more complicated way. this is much more simple. at least i got the idea.
Thanks for the video. At the moment I have such an over surplus of refined oil stored in tanks that America want to delcare war on my planet.
This was the best video I watched on this topic. tnx sir.
You are most welcome
Defintely useful at early game, but after that the amount of refined oil and hydrogen needed is just too insane I have to remove all cracking refineries lol
Is energetic graphite or hydrogen better for mecha fuel energy?
I have with graphite more energy at all.
graphite stacks higher giving you more full per stack, but the hydrogen has more fuel per unit (but a way smaller stack size) honestly early on i burn anything i need too to keep the mecha powered!
Been enjoying your videos and twitch streams on this game. Was mucking about yesterday tying to come with a good oil cracking setup myself so going to try this out as time permits. Thanks!
Great to hear!
gee thanks.. I now have so much Hydrogen I can't get rid of it fast enough.. :(
great vid short to the point earned my sub
Thanks for the sub!
You did go to school as a child? Then show your work
So, upgrade to this:
Crude to refiners as normal. Feed the hydrogen into a splitter with priority to a Planitary Logistics (PL) and the overflow into a bunch of generators. The refined feed into a splitter with priority to the PL and overflow into a bank of xray refinerys. The hydrogen output of the refinerys priority split back to the input of the xray refineries, on the overflow a second splitter with priority the the PL and overflow to the generators. Finally, the Carbon output of the xray ref gets priority split to the PL with overflow to the generators.
*important note* when combining the 3 waste to generator lines, it is important you use priority to burn first the carbon, then the stage 1 hydrogen then the stage 2 hydrogen to avoid jams.
This system will autobalance your changing demands between hydrogen and oil without ever needing more input.
great tip!
Thanks... I just worked that out for myself. Wish I had seen this first.
Glad I could help
Saaaaame 🙄 I really overcomplicated things. Bitch slapped myself, when your video reminded me that you can reach further with the damn stackers! 😑
What a great tutorial on this subject! Thank you for creating this. 👍👍👍
You can get unlimited hydro from Gas giant nearby very often. It's a piece of cake.
Thats a quite a few hours away
One way to create an overflow system is to stack 2 storage units in a line. Limit the bottom storage to 1 stack (or more if you want a reserve) then run a belt from the top storage unit. The top storage will only get items when the bottom storage unit is full.
Superb solution of the splitters, gj
Please consider that you can setup your cracking so that you only need to start the hydrogen. I have tested this in my game and it works great. When you setup the Hydrogen, put the feed belt right next to the refineries -- straight from before the first to past the last. Now consider the three Input/Output ports on the refinery which are by that feed belt, the first one, you want to put OUT of the refinery and filter on Hyrdrogen. The next two, you want to have as INPUTs (no filter needed). Make them all Mk I and it works. Put the Plastic in and Carbon out on the other side. Make sure you put a tank to catch the Hydro that gets past the last refinery. Also, a box to catch the Carbon coming off its feed belt. You can let the oil just stack up if you want.
Then, once everything is powered and pulled in the Oil that it needs, drop two -- yeap, just needs two Hydrogen on the input side of the Hydrogen feed belt. It will get snapped up by the first Refinery and it will make 3, it will snap up the first two, but one goes by... and so on.. beautiful to watch...
You can continue to add refineries in that line until the oil stops flowing on its run...
Yep mass cracking is a thing, problem is late game you actually want almost 0 hydrogen as its far 2 easy to get from gas giants!
@@JDPlays The unlimited oil supply provides you graphite once the coal is up.
This is one of the most useful videos on DSP thank you i really struggled with the Oil setup to get my Red Matrix up and running.
Glad i could help!
I keep forgetting I can stack buildings. So much wasted space :P
STACK EVERYTHING
Output belts need to be separate if you want 100% efficiency because if something else is on the belt there will be an unloading delay
but the machines have a internal buffer to account for that i actually think there is a timing problem with belts/sorters/machines
@@JDPlays Yeah, nothing seems to jive 100%. I'm getting excess oil even though I'm set up to run 2:1 on refining to cracking. Got awkward storage tanks leading to power plants just to burn off the excess. Gotta rebuild it all again to try and simplify! (which is why i'm here). I definitely enjoy struggling through it creating an awkward spaghetti mess to start with, though!
I like your warning...'Intense use of Australian language.'
its 100% true lol
This is nice but i just burn the exec oil and hydro since u can burn as much energy u want even if u dont use it!
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Great tutorial, Thanks!
nice vid ! glad i found u : )
can you please do a tutorial on power exchanger ????
I already have
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@@JDPlays ohhhh yeee buddy tyvm!!!
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how do you pick up from a belt
Video covering this and more in just a few hours!
deuterium fractionation?
Soon sooon real soon
Are the resources truly "Infinite" or just set to maximum. I would like to know before I think about buying this game as I prefer the resources to be unlimited.
You can set a resource-multiplicator for ressources at the start of the game to be unlimited - but why would you? You got plenty of planets to prospect - unlim ressources will take the need to do so away
@@padreigh Because I'm that sort of person. I just prefer unlimited resources instead of the stress from planning within the constraints of limited resources creating a form of time limit.
@@aurongrande6141 Me too. I know it's irrational, but it's the reason I avoid RTS games and play Satisfactory rather than Factorio. I want to enjoy at my own pace which for me is more fun that the intended method of resources running out or forced time windows
@@thisisworsethanyahoo Exactly. I like to take my time in resource management games like these. Gives me time to think about what to do instead of pushing myself to build stuff carefully so I don't waste anything
You have plenty of time. Dont waste stuff and keep your storages low and produce only what you need. Click on a storage and use the lower bar too decrease the size of the storage. Only use big storages if you really need them. You will need to get to other planets anyway because you cant find all the stuff on your own planet of it will take 10 times more factories and space to do so. So don't use the very in efficient technologies for too long. Also game is more fun with less stuff, you need to keep thinking and you need to make new plans. Its a great game.
When I set my filters like you did eventually the ones cracking stop working because the belts are full of hydrogen. Its in a continuous loop and the machines get full
Use hydrogen for research and send the rest to a generator array and tanks.
I never use hydrogen for power generation. Storing it for later use in deuterium production is much more valuable than burning it for energy since you get endless graphite anyway. You need it down the value chain for gravity matrices.
Thanks!
I haven't reached this point yet, now I feel like I cheated.