Very interesting! Starting to look for the first time at this 6 speed transmission which was converted from SMT, trying to figure out where those extra washers you mentioned go…. Trying to solve the hard to get into reverse problem, more study ahead!
@@Merryfrankster_ Thanks, I've watched several of your videos and spent some time under the car and it's all making more sense. The big question; is this something I can reach by taking out parts from the top of the engine? Or does the transmission need to come out? As for the washers, any 8mm diameter (bolt size) or should I seek a specific width or thickness? Thanks again for sharing your expertise!
@@Merryfrankster_ Thank God! I'm a chef learning how to wrench in retirement, removing the transmission is a bit more than I am ready for! Thank you sir, you have been incredibly helpful here, in the MR2 forum and from looking at all your videos, probably in the future!
Flywheel fits on the engine. 1zz flywheel is different from 2zz flywheel. If you are not changing engine you do not need to change flywheel. Clutch for C60 is same as clutch for C66 .You do not need to change clutch. This means you can pull the old trans off and put the new one on without doing anything with your clutch or flywheel - unless you want to.
Hi Frank. Thanks for the video, it's very helpful. I am rebuilding a C60 I bought and it came without the shaft. I ordered the correct shaft but I do not have any of the springs/levers that go on it (for lack of a shaft in the first place). Are the ones on the C56 compatible and can they be transferred over? Thanks again.
The components from the C56 are completely different and th shifter will not work with them. You need to find a c60/C64/C65/C66 shaft from a used transmission, and transfer all the parts to your shaft, or purchase all the parts from Toyota.
Hi Frank, I heard that the C66 shaft together with his springs and washers fits pluggNplay to the C60 transmission if I want assemble a Corolla TS transmission in my 2005 MR 2. Is that right? Can you confirm that the complete shifter shaft from the 2005 MR 2 transmission fits for this swap ? Regards, Andy
@@technician580 I am not so sure about this. They may be slightly different length. But all the components are the same. It depends on your transmission housing. This is why mwr sells two different shafts for the swap.
Thank you for your quick response. Okay, at first I will try it with the stock parts from my C66. If necessary I cut the shifter shaft. Kind regards from Germany.
i have an 01 mr2 spyder with a 5 sp. the trans take a dump. so what year or model of toyota year would be my best option? thinking going to the salvage for the replacement. also do you know a service manual to rebuild the C56 trans? google the net but cant seem to find a site? hope you can help thks
Celica or Corolla from early to mid 2000's - however you must either swap the middle case or modify it because the gear selection shaft comes out on the opposite side in the FWD drive vehicles. Download the complete MR2 Spyder factory service manual, it includes the transmission chapter.
Hello, I have a 2004 1zz 1.8 Toyota Corolla Verso with a problematic MMT gearbox. Can I convert it to a manual trans? If so from which Toyota cars. Will the car run smoothly? Thanks
Yes you can convert. You just need to get the gear select shaft, shift lever and cables, clutch pedal, clutch MC, clutch slave, clutch line, and an ECU compatible with the manual version of your car.
@Merryfrankster_ I have a corolla tsport with low kms and always change the fluid every 20.000 kms (12.400 miles) or 4 years👍 but I have a little whining/humming noise on first 3 gears especially on 3rd in low rpm drive and uphill, but is very smooth on use. I hear the sound only with closed windows and music off
A humming noise is typically a bearing and there are many bearing inside the trans. For example a humming noise can come from an input shaft bearing, or from an output shaft bearing, or from the differential, or even from the clutch. Just keep driving it until the noise gets worse and can be identified. @@DimoS...
@Merryfrankster_ thank you very much for the info. Can bearing break and damage the trans easy?is it closed type right? if it is when I change the clutch, I should change all the bearings as a precaution
It's tough to diagnose these noises. Does the noise increase with engine RPM, or with the wheel speed. Do you hear the noise if you race the engine in neutral, car stationary. If yes, it's on the clutch or the input shaft. If no, do you hear the noise when coasting at speed in neutral. If so, it's on the output shaft or the differential. If you have a problem with an output shaft bearing it can lead to damage on the pinion or the differential ring gear. Damaged bearings can also cause excessive wear on the gears. Drain your fluid, and check for any metallic magnetic debris i.e. steel. If you find excessive magentic debris then it is definitely time to do a maintenance or repair on the trans. Some non-magnetic debris is normal, this is syncro material. Sorry that I don't have anything conclusive.@@DimoS...
The differential has a speedo ring and there is a hole on the differential housing for the Vehicle Speed Sensor VSS. However for the MR2 Spyder the speed signal comes from the ABS, there is no need for VSS, it is blanked off.
Ouch this is a really tough one. There are no distinguishing marks on the transmissions. They all have a "C60" engraving but this does not mean they are C60. Your best way to identify your transmission will be to log your speed versus rpm in each gear, and compare them to the known speed versus rpm for each transmission, based on its gear ratios and final drive. This is kind of tedious and I actually had to do it once for a "mystery" transmission of unknown origin, it works.
It's a trade-off between highway rpm and torque. You have the best highway rpm but the worst torque unfortunately. Sorry that is just the way it works.
I had the C66 on my supercharged 1zz and that was great to drive. For the current 2zz turbo build I am going back to the C60 - just because I like the closer gears. I love rowing through the gears.
Frank Saab my spyder came with a c66 but I am swapping it with the c60 and will most likely sell the c66 after. Considered swapping over the lsd but it doesn't seem worth gutting a working c66.
@@aftastosk6016 There are some options for higher power. Upgraded gears from Monkeywrench Racing good to 400HP www.monkeywrenchracing.com/product/ssc-gear-upgrade-3rd4th-helical-lotustoyota-c60-c64/ Upgraded axles from The Driveshaft Shop can be made to any spec www.driveshaftshop.com/ E153 transmission swap good to 700hp and includes oil cooler www.monkeywrenchracing.com/product/mwr-install-kit-e153-transmission-toyota-mr2-s-00-05/
@@Merryfrankster_ Cool thanks! We're trying to figure out if an S54 would be too difficult to go into a Spyder. I know the linkage would need to be custom. But visually, the mounts look the same and they use the same spline axles.
@@Irvin_Wright I am missing the point of why you would do that. The internals of the S54 are almost exactly the same as the C-series. It does not bolt up to any zz engine. Definitely you can get it in but why unless you are doing V6 swap.
I think the cons are over-exaggerated, you will do just fine for every day driving. On the track it would be a different story, that is where a tightly wound C60 or even tighter C64 really shines.
@@Merryfrankster_ I'm in a similar boat to Char, except my MR-S already has a C56-01B (Torsen LSD), so the main advantage to swapping to the C60/64 transmission would only be for the shortened ratios. The problem is a lot of the 2zz 6 speeds around here tend to have bad 2nd and/or 3rd gear synchros, so finding one in good condition is getting pretty hard ($$). Another thing I heard is the 2ZZ-C56 is potentially more useful for autocross and mountain/canyon driving due to the longer 2nd gear helping keep the car over 100kph before needing to shift to 3rd, when compared to the 2zz 6 speeds. Do you have any suggestions Frank? Should I try the 2zz-C56 or try and find a 2ZZ-C6x gearbox?
@@absolutezero7344 my personal opinion - if you are not that hung up on wanting to stay in lift on shifting gears then C56 is fine. And I can tell you from my own experience auto-xing a 2zz that a little bit longer 2nd gear would be a god-send on fast courses (which typically just have one or maybe two long straight-aways), avoiding a shift into third then a downshift back to 2nd. on most typical auto-x courses you will be in 2nd the whole time.
@@Merryfrankster_ Thanks for the advice, I'll probably stick with the C56 and if needed, I'll use the extra money saved to buy an aftermarket ecu to lower the lift point instead.
Every chassis has different shift cable linkages and different mounting locations for the linkages. This is reflected in different mounting bosses on the bell housing and the transmission case. The bell housing bolt pattern will match, but whether or not you can mount the shifting linkages I don't know, it depends.
I have A question, my car is toyota corolla verso 2005 1.8 petrol with 5 gear box and I hate this transmision I want to change for A 6 gear box Its posible?
Thanks very much Frank your videos are all superb. Please keep up your great work.
Thanks, will do!
Very interesting! Starting to look for the first time at this 6 speed transmission which was converted from SMT, trying to figure out where those extra washers you mentioned go…. Trying to solve the hard to get into reverse problem, more study ahead!
Look near the bottom of this page, you will see about the washers.
www.monkeywrenchracing.com/tech-mr2-s-2zz-swap/
@@Merryfrankster_ Thanks, I've watched several of your videos and spent some time under the car and it's all making more sense. The big question; is this something I can reach by taking out parts from the top of the engine? Or does the transmission need to come out? As for the washers, any 8mm diameter (bolt size) or should I seek a specific width or thickness? Thanks again for sharing your expertise!
@@mrosacci You just have to remove the airbox and the intake tube, then you can access the linkages and the shifter.
@@Merryfrankster_ Thank God! I'm a chef learning how to wrench in retirement, removing the transmission is a bit more than I am ready for! Thank you sir, you have been incredibly helpful here, in the MR2 forum and from looking at all your videos, probably in the future!
Good bit of info and thank you.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@Merryfrankster_ You’re welcome!
Still driving a 1/2ZZ platform?
I'm going to be replacing my C66 with a C60 on an MR2. Do I need to use a 2zz clutch or flywheel or will a 1zz work? Thanks.
Flywheel fits on the engine. 1zz flywheel is different from 2zz flywheel. If you are not changing engine you do not need to change flywheel. Clutch for C60 is same as clutch for C66 .You do not need to change clutch. This means you can pull the old trans off and put the new one on without doing anything with your clutch or flywheel - unless you want to.
you rock dude, made it easy
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Does the c66 linkage and reverse blockout directly fit on the c60 transmission? do i really need to get a specific conversion part from MWR?
The reverse blockout is a direct fit but the shaft is not the same.
Hi Frank. Thanks for the video, it's very helpful. I am rebuilding a C60 I bought and it came without the shaft. I ordered the correct shaft but I do not have any of the springs/levers that go on it (for lack of a shaft in the first place). Are the ones on the C56 compatible and can they be transferred over? Thanks again.
The components from the C56 are completely different and th shifter will not work with them. You need to find a c60/C64/C65/C66 shaft from a used transmission, and transfer all the parts to your shaft, or purchase all the parts from Toyota.
Hi Frank, I heard that the C66 shaft together with his springs and washers fits pluggNplay to the C60 transmission if I want assemble a Corolla TS transmission in my 2005 MR 2. Is that right? Can you confirm that the complete shifter shaft from the 2005 MR 2 transmission fits for this swap ? Regards, Andy
@@technician580 I am not so sure about this. They may be slightly different length. But all the components are the same. It depends on your transmission housing. This is why mwr sells two different shafts for the swap.
@@technician580 try it and if worse comes to worse you may have to adjust the length of the shaft or buy a new bare shaft.
Thank you for your quick response. Okay, at first I will try it with the stock parts from my C66. If necessary I cut the shifter shaft. Kind regards from Germany.
i have an 01 mr2 spyder with a 5 sp. the trans take a dump. so what year or model of toyota year would be my best option? thinking going to the salvage for the replacement. also do you know a service manual to rebuild the C56 trans? google the net but cant seem to find a site? hope you can help thks
Celica or Corolla from early to mid 2000's - however you must either swap the middle case or modify it because the gear selection shaft comes out on the opposite side in the FWD drive vehicles. Download the complete MR2 Spyder factory service manual, it includes the transmission chapter.
Hello,
I have a 2004 1zz 1.8 Toyota Corolla Verso with a problematic MMT gearbox.
Can I convert it to a manual trans? If so from which Toyota cars.
Will the car run smoothly?
Thanks
Yes you can convert. You just need to get the gear select shaft, shift lever and cables, clutch pedal, clutch MC, clutch slave, clutch line, and an ECU compatible with the manual version of your car.
@@Merryfrankster_ thank you🙏🏾
Sir, is this reliable gearbox with good maintenance and normal driving/use ?
Sure, if you can find one that has not been abused already.
@Merryfrankster_ I have a corolla tsport with low kms and always change the fluid every 20.000 kms (12.400 miles) or 4 years👍 but I have a little whining/humming noise on first 3 gears especially on 3rd in low rpm drive and uphill, but is very smooth on use. I hear the sound only with closed windows and music off
A humming noise is typically a bearing and there are many bearing inside the trans. For example a humming noise can come from an input shaft bearing, or from an output shaft bearing, or from the differential, or even from the clutch. Just keep driving it until the noise gets worse and can be identified. @@DimoS...
@Merryfrankster_ thank you very much for the info. Can bearing break and damage the trans easy?is it closed type right? if it is when I change the clutch, I should change all the bearings as a precaution
It's tough to diagnose these noises. Does the noise increase with engine RPM, or with the wheel speed. Do you hear the noise if you race the engine in neutral, car stationary. If yes, it's on the clutch or the input shaft. If no, do you hear the noise when coasting at speed in neutral. If so, it's on the output shaft or the differential. If you have a problem with an output shaft bearing it can lead to damage on the pinion or the differential ring gear. Damaged bearings can also cause excessive wear on the gears. Drain your fluid, and check for any metallic magnetic debris i.e. steel. If you find excessive magentic debris then it is definitely time to do a maintenance or repair on the trans. Some non-magnetic debris is normal, this is syncro material. Sorry that I don't have anything conclusive.@@DimoS...
HI Frank, i have a corolla 2005 with a 1zz-fe,so for 6th gearbox i need a C60?
All c5x are five speed. All c6x are six speed. You cannot add a gear to a five speed. You must swap trans.
Is it true that if you buy a Euro C66 transmission for a US Spyder that it simply bolts up with no modifications needed?
Yes that is correct it is 100% compatible no need to change a thing.
@@Merryfrankster_ Do you know the best place to acquire a C66?
@@mikeklaus6618 inquire at fullspeedtech.com
Did and of the 60 series not have synchro issues? Going to have to swap mine out of my Celica at some point
I am not aware of any specific issue. Any transmission can have issues if it is abused.
can u say if the casing of a c66 and c65 is the same? i have a c66 broken at the rear mount and try to see options. thanks
I believe they should be exactly the same
Hi from wher this gearbox take speed for speedomater ?
The differential has a speedo ring and there is a hole on the differential housing for the Vehicle Speed Sensor VSS. However for the MR2 Spyder the speed signal comes from the ABS, there is no need for VSS, it is blanked off.
Can a 1zz transmission work on a 3zz engine
I would say yes, but I don't know for sure, because I do not have any 3zz engines in my geographic locale.
If I already have a six speed but don't know which model it is, how do I identify which model I have?
Ouch this is a really tough one. There are no distinguishing marks on the transmissions. They all have a "C60" engraving but this does not mean they are C60. Your best way to identify your transmission will be to log your speed versus rpm in each gear, and compare them to the known speed versus rpm for each transmission, based on its gear ratios and final drive. This is kind of tedious and I actually had to do it once for a "mystery" transmission of unknown origin, it works.
So if i have a C66 that means i will have the best low rpm at high highway speeds correct? What about torque at low end shifting?
It's a trade-off between highway rpm and torque. You have the best highway rpm but the worst torque unfortunately. Sorry that is just the way it works.
@@Merryfrankster_ i went 2zz boosted so im fine with that. I do alot of highway going to work so for me this is perfect! Thnx for ur videos!
If you have torque to spare then by all means. LOL.
I had the C66 on my supercharged 1zz and that was great to drive. For the current 2zz turbo build I am going back to the C60 - just because I like the closer gears. I love rowing through the gears.
Frank Saab my spyder came with a c66 but I am swapping it with the c60 and will most likely sell the c66 after. Considered swapping over the lsd but it doesn't seem worth gutting a working c66.
Do you know the limits of these transmissions? It seems to be that they are 250ft-ib
250rwhp would be getting close to the safe limit and torque would be about 200 ft.lb.
@@Merryfrankster_ any ideas how we 're going to get cooling lines (like auto boxes. Is that possible?)
@@Merryfrankster_ thanks for your answer. I am afraid this limit it's too low...
@@aftastosk6016 There are some options for higher power.
Upgraded gears from Monkeywrench Racing good to 400HP
www.monkeywrenchracing.com/product/ssc-gear-upgrade-3rd4th-helical-lotustoyota-c60-c64/
Upgraded axles from The Driveshaft Shop can be made to any spec
www.driveshaftshop.com/
E153 transmission swap good to 700hp and includes oil cooler
www.monkeywrenchracing.com/product/mwr-install-kit-e153-transmission-toyota-mr2-s-00-05/
Can you check to see if the C56 front and rear mounting brackets fit the S54?
I will look into it - I still have an old broken S54 laying around.
@@Merryfrankster_ Cool thanks! We're trying to figure out if an S54 would be too difficult to go into a Spyder. I know the linkage would need to be custom. But visually, the mounts look the same and they use the same spline axles.
@@Irvin_Wright I am missing the point of why you would do that. The internals of the S54 are almost exactly the same as the C-series. It does not bolt up to any zz engine. Definitely you can get it in but why unless you are doing V6 swap.
@@Merryfrankster_ that way a 2AR could be bolted to the S54, 3MZ is also a candidate
@@Irvin_Wright ok cool I'll be interested to see how this turns out. Anyway I will check the brackets for you.
I love your videos! just a question, im broke as fuck, would there be any pros and cons to using a c56 with a 2zz??? for my spyder lol
Char Aznablest Pros are it will work. Cons are worse fuel mileage, has an open diff, individual gear ratios may not be best suited for 2zz power.
I think the cons are over-exaggerated, you will do just fine for every day driving. On the track it would be a different story, that is where a tightly wound C60 or even tighter C64 really shines.
@@Merryfrankster_ I'm in a similar boat to Char, except my MR-S already has a C56-01B (Torsen LSD), so the main advantage to swapping to the C60/64 transmission would only be for the shortened ratios.
The problem is a lot of the 2zz 6 speeds around here tend to have bad 2nd and/or 3rd gear synchros, so finding one in good condition is getting pretty hard ($$).
Another thing I heard is the 2ZZ-C56 is potentially more useful for autocross and mountain/canyon driving due to the longer 2nd gear helping keep the car over 100kph before needing to shift to 3rd, when compared to the 2zz 6 speeds.
Do you have any suggestions Frank? Should I try the 2zz-C56 or try and find a 2ZZ-C6x gearbox?
@@absolutezero7344 my personal opinion - if you are not that hung up on wanting to stay in lift on shifting gears then C56 is fine. And I can tell you from my own experience auto-xing a 2zz that a little bit longer 2nd gear would be a god-send on fast courses (which typically just have one or maybe two long straight-aways), avoiding a shift into third then a downshift back to 2nd. on most typical auto-x courses you will be in 2nd the whole time.
@@Merryfrankster_ Thanks for the advice, I'll probably stick with the C56 and if needed, I'll use the extra money saved to buy an aftermarket ecu to lower the lift point instead.
Can a C63 be mounted to a 2zzge fwd?
Every chassis has different shift cable linkages and different mounting locations for the linkages. This is reflected in different mounting bosses on the bell housing and the transmission case. The bell housing bolt pattern will match, but whether or not you can mount the shifting linkages I don't know, it depends.
hello, why my C60 Celica 2001 says C60B?
No significance. Casting number from factory.
@@Merryfrankster_ thank you
we demand more sw20 videos
Ha ha ha I am sorta deferring to our friend ML on that one but if enough people twist my arm.... well why not.
Hello do you have mayby msg, Facebook? I have A question Abbott changing gear box ,gretings from Poland.
You can ask me here.
I have A question, my car is toyota corolla verso 2005 1.8 petrol with 5 gear box and I hate this transmision I want to change for A 6 gear box Its posible?
@@patrykklek6251 yes you should be able to take a 6 speed box from a corolla or matrix with 2zz engine.
and it will be difficult to remake?