'The Exclusive Brethren", HTV Midweek documentary 1993
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- HTV Midweek documentary ''The Exclusive Brethren' made and' broadcast in 1993, written by Tom Archer and produced by Jeremy Payne. Watch as a sequence with 'BBC Omnibus documentary 'Doctrine That Divides' (1976) and follow with BBC documentary on the Exclusive Brethren made in 2003. Both on TH-cam. And then if you want to know more about life inside the cult read the memoir called 'In The Days of Rain' by Rebecca Stott.
I worked for an EB business for many years. On an individual level, each of them is a decent, humane person, but when they flip into brethren mode, they become automatons, bereft of logic and able only to parrot certain sentences they’ve been programmed by their cult leaders to spew out.
It’s so pathetic and sad. Their leaders should be in prison for mass abuse.
As a BT engineer, I was one of the few “Non Brethren” to enter the hall building. They had a payphone.
It was a square building with a central amphitheatre going down to a central circular carpeted plinth with a high stool/chair and microphone stand. Around the outside of amphitheatre was a corridor with doors or toilets in each corner and all around the four walls were several rows of coat hooks.
It’s now a small estate of housing/flats.
Any group that will not let you have a Dog is evil.
Look what men can do corrupt the simplicity of the gospel and the teachings of Jesus for cultish control.
I wonder what is going on in their sect now, I'll never forget the ex-Brethren I met while making this film, so much hurt inflicted
Well, I found this video from only 2 years ago; sadly, from these young former members' stories things are the same. th-cam.com/video/mYSx1yps_mY/w-d-xo.html
Like a nightmare revisited.
Rebecca I have just read your book. It must be stressed, as you do in your book, that the exclusive sects have nothing to do with the Open Brethren, and neither have they anything to do, in terms of relationships within families and with the outside world, with the Darbyite assemblies that I have encountered in France (with whom they are often compared). Ther latter, despite usually) not collaborating with non-Brethren denominations, are characterised by warmth and hospitality towards outsiders and kindness and friendliness towards outsiders.
By the way, your book is a deeply moving protrait of your father, and one of the most beautiful accounts of a father -daughter relationship I have ever read. When you referred to your father's encounter with CS Lewis's lectures and writing, and the choice he faced between embracing Lewis's God and the Exclusives' God, I couldn't help wishing that he had chosen the former. The story might well have had a very different ending.
I beg to differ. My mother was excommunicated from the EB church and joined the OB, yet she still maintained the exclusive mindset and I suffered for it as a result.
The problem with the "Open Brethren" is that each assembly is completely autonomous, so, when my daughter was sexually assaulted by one of the men who did the children's work, there was no national organisation that could be appealed to. The case went to Crown Court, our complaint and that of another young woman. During the trial, the Gospel Hall presented false evidence in the form of an attendance register which had been doctored to make it look as though my daughter had continued attending after the incident took place. They all closed wagons around the perpetrator, and lied in court. Every time I walk past that Gospel Hall now I wish it was closed. The man in question was found guilty in the case of the other young woman but not guilty for our accusation, even though the man in question had been round to our house to give an abject apology as "his lust had got the better of him" - in his words. Self righteous criminals.
Brethren = Racist.
@@quatermass8 hahahaha you fool
@@humblegenius7120 - The Brethren in Gnowangerup Western Australia are racist. I know this first hand. You're ignorant if you're not aware that some of them are pigs. Provide evidence to the contrary and I might change my mind.
I started out with an independent group (an independent table). Two years later, I joined the exclusive brethren, a closed group. There was hardship, to be sure, and a lot of what I see in this film was not practiced among these exclusives. About eight years later I moved away and left the group and I slowly drifted towards the open brethren. Now, today, I live in Taiwan with my Taiwanese wife, and I am a member of a bilingual church. I am relatively happy, but I don't break bread with them; I'm not sure why, I just don't.
I was adopted into a similar cult, the evangelical pentecostalists, almost identical behaviour, rules & attitudes, same dowdy dress sense, no TV, newspapers, no friends outside the sect, I left at 16 & they locked me out of the house on sundays . Very sadistic narcissistic holier than thou prudes, proud as peacocks, no sense of humour or laughter, plenty of pain & tears, 40 yrs on I still have CPTSD & you never forget this experience it haunts you for life , thankfully these narcissistic sects & cults have largely gone out of fashion or been named & shamed now
I wonder how these people who were cast out are getting on since 1993?
Why would anyone mind being shut off from such people? Good riddance, surely?
yeah simple, like leaving a narcissistic relationship or quitting addiction, a really easy severance ….
My brother and I were removed from our parents too..I was 9 my brother was 4 years older.
I belonged to the exclusives and, later, the open brethren. I guess I would be one of those fellows that would blow the lid right off the pot, so to speak. Nobody comes between me and my wife, or my children. I don't care if you are God or devil. My Lord gave me a spiritual sense of smell and, I may not be able to put my finger on the exact verse right away, but that won't stop me from taking charge of what I know to be a miscarriage of biblical truth!!!
"a bit of extra creeping and you are there" . Yup once you are there on the front rows, you probably have more access to the whiskey and the kiddies.
An update of how these particular ones are doing in 2021 would be interesting. I know the group seem to be quite big in Australia now too. They were never an easy group - I remember my mother telling me about them in the 1960s or 70s. Any group which requires people to be apart is going to have issues over shunning whether it be the Amish or US FLDS or Scientology - you are with us or against us they think. They are all wrong of course... there is no God and things like scientology are totally wrong too.
i wouldnt get up at 6am just for that
The sect referred to is the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church, an off-shoot from the main Exclusive Brethren of which there are many sub-divisions, all evangelical in outlook.
start to talk to people and do things something we just take for granted
Evil. The same word the first person in the comments section (at the moment) also used. I could add cold & cruel... God's word clearly says his true worshippers will worship not in any building but in Spirit & in truth. These people are in a very bad situation. The regime would only likely suit narcissists or high machiavellians.
Me gustaría conocer alguna persona que hubiera sido hermano de Plymouth. Gracias!
i cant even handle been in lockdown
For those interested in a more recent report on the Exclusive Brethren, see this video th-cam.com/video/mYSx1yps_mY/w-d-xo.html Sadly, much the same is going on.
Goddamned bloody control freaks
would not mind a visit to this place
Evil. Beyond evil. Wicked to the core.
Charles H Spurgeon “Plymouth Brethren have no feeling wherever their principles are concerned. I know indeed of no sect or denomination so utterly devoid of kindness of heart. It is the most selfish religious system with which I am acquainted. It is entirely wrapped up in itself”. Charles H Spurgeon “The Darby Brethren” June 1869
He had the utmost respect for the Open Brethren, spoke highly of George Muller and emphasised that he was exempting them from his criticism of the Exclusive schism fronted by Darby. Since Spurgeon's days, the Raven-Taylor group have got more and more cultic. Fair to say they don't represent all the Exclusive Brethren and are one of a number of parties. Darby himself would be disgusted at how the Taylorites ended up.Despite their cosmetic changes to maintain their charitable status, not one of their extra-Biblict edicts declared by their successive leaders who they apportion Pope like status to, has been revoked.
@@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 I was 16 when I joined the Open Brethren.(1970). I remember how they would insist on women having a head covering. At that time the mini-skirt was in fashion. Some of those Brethren girls would wear the shortest skirts. I could not see the point in a woman having her head covered when the rest of her body was not covered.
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It's following what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 about women and head coverings, the covering being taken to be headwear of some sort. However, often overlooked that Paul said 'we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God' (v16, NKJV). It was also with reference to women 'praying and prophesying' i.e. taking an audible part in the assembly gathering which a lot of the Open Brethren still do not permit. The 'wide Open' section which I would identify with have eased up on this issue considerably since what was the case circa 1970.
@@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 The Brethren that I had associated with had elders that, in some cases, had wives that had shorter hair than their husbands. It is pointless for a woman to wear a head covering if she is immodestly dressed or has has hair shorter than their husbands. Unisex is unBiblical; some would even say that it is an abomination. In Canada evangelical Christians are greatly influenced by Americans. That is a double edged sword. Some of the best preachers in Canada are Americans or Canadians taught by Americans. The downside is that a lot of cults and heretical churches were brought in by Americans. The wild card is African immigration to Canada. Many of these African immigrants are devout Christians. African Christians may be the salvation of Canada.
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In my reading of the passage, it is the women 'shorn or shaved' i.e. short haired that the head covering was intended as a provision for if considered a shameful thing. Doesn't seem to be for all saved women everywhere at all times and for the assembly to decide on. Scripture is much more prescriptive about immodest clothing drawing attention to body parts. Incongruous indeed having a hat or headscarf on while adorning a short skirt or skimpy shorts.
Is this cult still in existence in 2021? My former boss belonged to what she called a Plymouth Brethren Chapel in the USA, but she wasn’t always proselytizing, acting or dressing weird, living in a compound...She lived in a large NYC upscale co-op, worked in a secular job as an administrative assistant, was married to non-religious Jewish man. They had two children who were normal, attended a private liberal academy, etc. Perhaps there was no relation to these Brethren.
Yep alive and kicking predominantly in the US Uk and Australia.
been expelled sounds like a naughty teenager been saspended from school
Evil wrapped in a cloak of virtue.
how do you avoid the job center and employment and haveing to use a computer
i wouldnt cope
so what if one of the brethern were rapeing u or a family member they cant go to the police
Sounds like "The Rruman Show"
These their manager Curt Turner has been calling the mother of all for years. He got mother earth to fight back with the Las Palmas volcano. His team was creating the mother of all sacrifices as indicated below. The San Andreas will go.
What happen to you if had regular lie in on Saturday morning
my family would be ex communicated and so would i
you to do as your told
thats the old world
so what if someones been raped by one of the members do they get ex commected for going to the police?
34 Cup & Jug Of beer...That's my religion.
the Brethren wouldnt like me i be ex commicated in 2 seconds
how is meeting new people evil
Why do they preach to passers-by? Do they think anyone would like to join?
Better grab your rosary beads and get your penance done
whats a comineon service at 6am on sunday
Holy Communion. In the Catholic church I have been regularly to 7.30am mass with holiday communion and for many years at 8am - we preferred that as it just lasted 30 minutes and then you were free for the day!
communion beaking bread.
my family would be ex commuted
HOMEWRECKERS
Oh dear youve missed church,ohhhh shock horror,the wrath of god is coming down on your head
can u wipe your arse when your not in followship
Lol, sounds just like a Boarding school or the Conservative party , scared stiff of an electrician or a lad who plays rugby league. This video is ridiculous, theses men are grown ups and can leave this organisation if they want, they have agency, they ain’t oppressed tittle girls. I’m not Bretheren .
@O p not so easy to leave when the EB is all you've ever known. Quite apart from losing your family and your job, you have to learn to live in the world. I have a cousin who left then rejoined a few years later. I'm not sure why but I can imagine that, although to outsiders their lives are bleak, it's a safe life.
i cant even handle been in lockdown