Separate Lives - Exclusive Brethren in Australia
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- FULL documentary. Families torn apart. Wives ordered to leave their husbands. Children separated from their parents. And all in the name of God. The Exclusive Brethren have long been revered as a Christian congregation of simple, God-fearing folk. But ever since their leader, the Man of God, ordered them to withdraw from society and stop socialising with people outside the movement, concerns about the group have been growing. In this moving, personal documentary, ex-members tell their story. Aired on Four Corners in 2006.
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The effects of this cult on my family has taken three generations to overcome. My uncle killed himself and my mother, who was excommunicated with a curse, still struggles to understand her experience. It is a disgrace they are able to run their own schools.
+Tabitha Mellor Very sorry to hear that. It is terrible, but may the God of all comfort help you and your family heal from any wounds still left.
As an exJW, I know how it feels to leave the cult...
A friend of mine left the Brethren Church. His Parents were high up in the church at the time however they tried very hard to get him back, offering him a job, brand new car and house, he had to divorce his wife if he took up the offer. The sad part is after 15 years he returned to the Brethren church and divorced his wife.
+Priscilla Cook well at least he had a normal 15 years
I remember, in my early twenties, working with a young woman who was from the Brethren faith. She seemed totally isolated from society. She could not eat her lunch with her co-workers so she would get in her car and eat away from everyone. I remember she had a sadness about her. I asked her about her situation but she would not divulge any information. We were about the same age and I sensed that she was utterly miserable. I remember feeling a sense of hopelessness because I had no idea, at the time, how to help her. So sad.
And knowing what you know now, how would you have helped her?
@@ed6911 It's a moot point. I knew then, what I know now, you can't help anyone if they're not actively asking for it. I do know that I was very young and saw the whole situation through the lens of my own life experience. Cheers.
Thank you for the update. I'm an evangelical Christian who recently started working for an Exclusive Brethren company. They have treated me very, very well. Yet, I find I perceive a distance in them in a social sense which is weird. They also never speak of the Lord.
@@ed6911 Well, to be fair, I'm an atheist so, I wasn't schooled in "the ways of the Lord" then, nor am I now. It doesn't mean that I'm a heartless monster ambling through life with no empathy towards others. Good luck in your endeavours.
Cults should NOT be tolerated.
I have worked for a brethren company for many years. I am a strong follower of Christ who studies Scripture daily. I’m amazed at their lifestyles in how they think they’re following Scripture and think I’m still too worldly to eat with. They all seem to be heavy drinkers and cussing isn’t a problem for them.
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What?
I remember going to school with a couple of Exclusive Brethren kids. The first time was primary school and what really sticks out in my mind is that he went home everyday for lunch. One day the whole school went on a field trip his mum came with us he had sat by himself and had lunch with her, The next time was Intermediate the boy was in my class for a while and learnt a lot from him about the Exclusive Brethren. He ended up leaving an going to an all Exclusive Brethren school.
They obviously have some not too devout young men judging by their charming Christian language towards the reporters. They sound more like young criminals with big mouths.
Indeed. Profanity is forbidden in the Brethren, so why they think they're better than others while using the 'C' word is beyond comprehension.
I can't believe they used the 'C' word!
Not only that, they were REQUIRED to drink whiskey??
Bogans gonna bogan
They'll be brethren bogans, secretly smoking pot or crack I bet...oh but using the C word in front of the camera I bet those lads will be drug dealers in the city before too long...
I've lived across the street from a Brethren church for about 10 years now, and I can tell you one thing, they are some of the biggest hoons you will ever meet
@Darren Pritchard i got sent via an agency to a office supplies warehouse they ran in belmont. I lasted 2 hours, all the secretaries were nice, all the men were angry.
@RUNNING AMUCK what are your intentions?
I know this is belated but I have to mention this.
I recognised one from high school days driving a Nissan Urvan in such a way around a right hand turn with the engine absolutely screaming I thought it was going to blow up. I have never seen such extreme treatment of a work van. It was very telling.
Oh sure they are honest, kind and devout until you cross them. I was raised in a Canadian group of this cult and believe me they can be more cruel and vindictive than anyone you will ever meet.
@@brianallen976 1 person? Many more than that. The people could be good but they have been taught to put the church over everything else, over family even. Their teachings alone are cruel and hurtful, their actions heartbreaking.
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Oh, good grief.
Aren't YOU basically doing the same thing by assuming that your own positive experience with Brethren members is universal and that everyone else must be lying about their negative experiences?
Let's hope YOU never do anything to upset your Brethren friends, or you may find yourself on the other side with all of the people you've dismissed.
The concept of separation is definitely Biblical. Separation from evil and worldly ways is important for Christians, but if we examine how Jesus separated himself that didn't include not eating with sinners. He didn't sin with them, but he didn't isolate himself from them either. That's one of the problems of taking a Biblical doctrine or principle and taking it to an extreme at the expense of other aspects of scripture.
+Michael NewZealand This is one of the smartest comments I've seen in TH-cam so far! That's exactly what Jesus did but that's not how people interpret it.
***** Good one friend. I am glad you share some of the same ideals and care about what Jesus taught. I hope you can examine some of his other claims such as being the Son of God and wanting to be your Lord and Savior.
+haarp2012 you should do your due diligent in finding out about the HISTORICAL JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE, your eternity rest on you getting to know HIM on a personal relationship!
People can read the BIBLE and can twist the TRUTH into what they want, I believe that we read the BIBLE because GOD'S WORD are for us!!! Read the BIBLE and allow GOD to speak to you, but don't get it twisted and insert yourself into the BIBLE to where you are running around saying... "THUS SAYS THE LORD!" Hhahaha
+David Hhahaha
"THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!"
♡♥♡♥♡♥♡ BIBLE ♡♥♡♥♡♥♡
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David, so you are saying YES, JESUS CHRIST WAS A HISTORICAL FIGURE!!!
Well, I agree with you, reputable historians wrote about HIM!!! And HE claimed to be THE WORD!
Get your life together before it's too late!
+David Hhahaha out of the wickedness and filth that reigns in your heart comes corruptions!!! Anyways, was this your first word, or this is what you were born into? Oh well, I hate to tell you but you are using the word wrongly! lololololol such a pity to be so angry and mislead!
You have a nice day David and don't play with sharp objects...lollipops♥
It broke my heart when he said he keeps the letters because he loves to see his children's handwriting.
I grew up next to some brethren, the kids and I would play over the fence. But what I remember most was taking my dog on the lead onto the footpath and they'd all come out and play with her, just cause they weren't allowed their own pets.
I never knew about the Bretheren, thank you for the insight x
Wow, so much expression and just a delight to watch, Joy Nason is.
Holy hand grenades?
There's a Plymouth Brethren building near where I live in a small village in Oxfordshire, England. Half the building is under ground. A contractor who did some work in the place said he saw every tool under the sun, vast amounts of equipment and generators, as if they are planning to rebuild after the end of the world. Very secretive place, big fence around it and cameras everywhere (I've walked the dog passed it a few times). I sometimes see the woman around the village walking around with them blue scarves on their head. They're apparently trying to buy up all the houses close to this building
Yeah there’s a couple near me, one hasn’t got any windows and the other is gated off from the main road
Being chucked out of an off shoot of these people who lived as these people but not so strictly was also a blow to a pregnant 19 year old who was an abuse victim and had thought she found a real family. Learned my lesson well. Stay away from them and their off shoots.
Marcy Wolters, I'm sorry that happened to you.
Marcy care to elaborate? What exactly do you mean?
Sorry to hear..I know what it feels to be treated cruelly by these so called people of God...especially after putting ur trust on them
many many thanks to all who helped make this very important documentary , this use of modern technology will help humanity make the future a much better place
A girl in my class was not allowed to take her break with us or join us at the RE class..She has now come out of the EB and is doing very well…Praise God…🙏
Our home was just purchased by a young bretheren couple. It was a large home which was only 13 years old & very expensive. They are totally gutting it & it will be 4 months before they move in. Only 1 is working & his job would not pay for the home nor renovations. The husband told us his church mates would all be doing the renos & that they would have no mortgage. He & his wife are 27. In this instance their religion is working for them. A lot of their church fellows are purchasing houses in our suburb.
Great doco.
Good to hear from someone that has a bit of experience with these groups. Glad you didn't get sucked into it.
So much for being a caring community. In 1921 my great Grandmother was married to a brethren man and they were married in their church and she converted, however, as he was married before, his two daughters would not allow him to stay with his new wife. They forced him to leave her shortly after the marriage, as a result they that left my great Grandmother with no husband and she has to fend for herself and her family. To the day she died my great Grandmother stayed married to him as there was never a divorce. What a disgraceful religion even in those days. This all happened in Wishaw Scotland.
Live in the world and not of the world.
The two keywords here. “Live IN and not OF the world
I pray not that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldest keep them from the evil. (John 17:15)
Coming from you, I consider that a compliment.
Bless you
This sounds very much like the Jehovah's Witnesses with the breaking up of families.
Rayxl1 so true
Rayxl1 so true
Yes, it very similar in practice
Rayxl1 can I ask, are Mormons modern day?
And Scientology.
"You're excommunicated and you can't sleep with your wife tonight...." That's not creepy or sexually obsessed at all (sarcasm at 100%)
hhahaha that is speaking for the devil at best!
Sarcasm over 9000
How could anyone take that?! I’d just have to tell him to fuck right off I will fucking sleep with my wife and you try and stop me pal and see what happens.
In the history of mankind no other fictional (imo) book has caused so much grief, directly or indirectly to so many of the worlds population in all of it's different guises.
More people should believe in life before death
That fictional book is also part of a huge cultural and historical presence that has shaped the world, one way or another, and you simply cannot say it is all negative without being truly dishonest or misinformed about the history of humanity and religion.
I haven't looked deeper into the practices of the Open PB so I couldn't really compare them to other groups, but I know with the church fellowship I came out of, I never thought they were a cult when I was in it. Heck, no church believes they are a cult.
But the problem was every checklist I came across that helps you determine if your group is a cult, my church always ticked the majority of the boxes.
When one watches the way they behave in front of the camera, one might be lead to believe the evil is within the church. Not on the outside. Are they aware most people don't act so ...uncouth?
It's called free will. The Bible says we were all given that gift. When an entity (a church, a person) tries to take away that free will, they are clearly not of God.
5.32 God fearing bogan's you really have to love Australia.
My heart gos out to the people who have been treated like this. But if I may comment on a few things that looking into the history of the Church what you do find is the way some things happened were not at all what the man of God intended at all. I am a member of the church and feel very sorry for any one that had to go though this. I personally know the to boys from Albury good guys, I hope there is a chance by praying you will get the family back together
The seeds of what happened in the 60s were sown by Darby in 1846. He became obsessed with separation and caused untold suffering when he toured the UK forcing assemblies to decide if they were with him or with Bethesda assembly in Bristol. He forced the start of the Exclusive Brethren.
Joy Nason, I read your book after it was recommended to me by Richard Gardner (author of Righteous Release). Joy, thank you for sharing your story here and in your book. You are an inspiration, a strong woman and I'm proud for you of all you overcame and of who you have become!
+Keri Masse I read the book as well and it struck me as a pack of lies and half-truths.
+TBOTSS I don't think we read the same book... Are you some sort of a brethren apologetic, Ex Brethren that still wishes to be in the cult? Or are you a brethren member thats sneaking around the Internet?
Keri Masse So someone who disagrees with you must be a member of the EC? It must be nice to be so self-righteous, so sure of your commitments that you must vilify and insist on pathological cognitive faculties to different view points. Joy has been running a campaign against the EC for decades. The EC has replied to most of her criticisms - a quick internet search will confirm this - now I do not know who is telling the truth (nor do you) but to insist that a woman who has make a career attacking the EC is telling the whole truth is insane. The EC have a community here in the UK and lose just two people a year out of a group of 15000. They cannot be all bad. Australia is so secular that it is hostile to any form of religious belief that is not gutted of any realist theology. A close religious community that keeps it self to it self has to be destroyed - Australia cannot tolerant views different from the mainstream.
Ahh religion and the sheep who follow believe they are getting a front row ticket to heaven ... You have one life to live, read books, meet good people, question everything, love all animals, work hard, have holidays, be kind to everyone u meet u never know what difficulties they have going on... Peace & Love
spot on.
patrick45sue - Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you. You talk of peace and Love. You need peace with God through God's gift of Love to you in Jesus Christ our Lord.
No argument at all my friend.
Same to you.
No.
I think he was cutting out the middle-man and sending out a simple, humanistic message.
Religion not required.
The fedora is strong in here
The worse part is the Family Law Court .social services...and servants of the Court.. Barristets solicitors etc etc are aware of the monstrous situation...
The open brethren hurt me...very unfriendly and cold...was ignored and had backs turned on me.
also, glad you got out of there. that sounds like one hell of a rough time.
Great documentary. I've never heard of this cult before. If people are not aloud to see their kids because they left a cult, sounds like Australia has a justice problem. Sorry for these people. Some of them.
These Exclusive Brethren join secular groups, attain a position of power, and cause dissension within the group to destroy it. Then they move on and repeat their disruptive ways in another group.
Why would they do that? Very curious to know
Holy smokes!! Almost sounds ĺike scientology. the only difference is they don't have movie stars as promoters
Ron Fawkes and Russell Dent are liars! THEY were two of the worst perpetrators of booting people out! Dont start me! Phill Fawkes on the other hand - different story. No bitterness. Same goes for Warren McAlpine! Beautiful man! I know his family like mine. Made me cry watching his account.
Not past taking advantage of people, a local brethren run business, took a lot of money from someone we know for replacing the Cam Belt on her car, they actually pocketed the money and changed only the label, later the cam belt broke and another garage said there is no way the work she paid for had been done.
I remember when they came to my hometown. They built a massive fenced off compound with huge fences. It was very intimidating.
There was a biy named Tony in my class I primary school, he was cool, really nice and made some awesome toys and gadgets. He wasn't allowed to watch TV and we used to watch BTN every Friday and he stuck ina couple of times to watch.
One of his younger sisters busted him and he wanst at school for a couple of weeks. None of them attended secondary school.
41.10 Guy seems to have found what he was/is seeking. When another human being tells you what you can and can't believe, who you can and cannot associate with ...what you can and cannot do with your life....your in trouble. Find your own path, find your G-D ( if you believe in such things ) ... etc,.. Just try to find yourself, and, from that base .. make your life a fulfilling and happy one.. G-D bless everyone
Agreed - it's always good to compare your own church with others and with research to see if what it's doing is actually sane. I'm not even sure that today my mom would characterize her upbringing as cultish, though. Most likely just very, very strict. There were a couple of things that marked it as cult-like but not enough, I think, to make the cut. Anyway, that was 50 years ago, and the PB-open church my grandparents are in now doesn't make a single check on the list.
the music track to this documentary is wrong. they are playing anglican hymns and not ones from a brethren hymn book.
DO you realise the taylor party are only 10% of the brethren movement? They are a splinter grp from a `denomination` that started in 1840s......SO yes there is plenty brethren music available. google.....`Hymns by John Nelson Darby`
+MsYogaGrrrl Of course they have access to all sorts of music from any denomination. The internet of course makes this a lot easier.
You know there is a huge problem when people use word like escape instead of ‘’leave’’. It says it all...
The word ESCAPE is used advisedly because you do make an ESCAPE under the radar.
The word 'exclusive' covers many brethren groups that are fundamentally 'orthodox' in their beliefs and practices but accept the exclusive label to distinguish them from their Open Brethren that grew up from a division in 1848. The term Exclusive Brethren has come to signify those of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church who are neither a church nor are they christian. They should never be confused with the brethren groups that owe their existence to the brethren of earlier days like Wigram.Darby, Müller and Kelly.. The present opprobrium should rest firmly on the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church.
How can a church go to court to keep a father or mother too see their children ?
wow.... all these photos of the leaders etc are all over the walls of the exclusive brethren's I cared for at their houses through my nurse job!!! lol I thought they all lived here in nz. They have defintley got more open as I do heaps of everyday things with them in their own houses. They ask me about the outside world all the time.
This is such a tragedy. My heart aches for those beautiful ex-members who have left this cult. It is NOT Christian. Its practices bear absolutely NO resemblance to Christ. It's a travesty what these type of imposter groups do to the cause of Christ.
They’re most definitely Christian, in that they believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and salvation is obtained through him.
@@bigbowlowrong4694 This is one wacky cult.
Stopping people from seeing their own children and families because they leave the religion is not something Christ would approve of.
Just because they leave the brethren doesn’t mean that they have left God. They can still join another christian group.
The brethren teach false doctrines and for that reason alone there is every reason to leave them. They don’t accurately teach what the bible teaches.
If it’s a false religion and they stop people seeing their family through blackmail and coercion for leaving what is a false religion, then how can Christ approve of that?
They might accept Christ, but that doesn’t mean that he accepts them
@@cultfiction3865 Dont listen to this video and do some historical research. This video s talking about the "Plymouth brethren christian church" most Plymouth brethren (they don't call themselves that) are a number of independent congregations that all share similar beliefs this includes the exclusive brethren. The "Plymouth brethren christian church" is a cult and places its leaders at a pope like status, with many harmful doctrines. The "Plymouth brethren christian church" is the only branch of the exclusive brethren movement that calls itself "Plymouth brethren" its also the only branch that subscribes to the strange beliefs concerning there leaders. Most plynouth brethren (many call themselves "gospel hall assemblies") are just strict congregationalist conservative Christians that wish nothing more then to be associated with the so called "Plymouth brethren christian church".
I'm not brethren but I wanted to write this to clear up misinformation about the use of the term "exclusive brethren".
www.brethrenpedia.org/index.php/Main_Page
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_Hall_Assemblies
Also the open brethren are also incredibly conservative and strict so dualism shouldn't be made in that regard.
"The term Exclusive Brethren is most commonly used in the media to describe one separatist group known as Taylor-Hales Brethren, who now call themselves the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church (PBCC). The majority of Christians known as Exclusive Brethren are not connected with the Taylor-Hales group, who are known for their extreme interpretation of separation from evil and their belief of what constitutes fellowship. In their view, fellowship includes dining out, business and professional partnerships, membership of clubs, etc., rather than just the act of Communion (Lord's Supper), so these activities are done only with other members.
The group called the Raven Brethren (named for prominent Exclusive leader F.E. Raven) seceded from the Raven-Taylor-Hales group and are less strict and isolationist. Exclusive Brethren groups who are not affiliated with PBCC prefer being referred to as Closed rather than Exclusive brethren to avoid any connection with these more strident groups. "
I am 'brethren', not belonging to Exclusive or Open(In Korea, brethren is just brethren). It's pity that you have experienced that kind of rudeness. If they had heart of Jesus Christ, they wouldn't do it. I believe that the thing they did to the poor boy is just what Pharasees have done.
I really doubt whether they are born-again christian. In my eyes, they are just religious people without eternal life.
I'm giving you an apology......I am really sorry. And we are sorry.
Bless you!
Are the Exclusive Brethren real Christians or are the type christians discribed in 2 Tomothy 3 verse 5.
God bless these poor people
This answers so many questions.
I worked for 3 years under a brethren family owned business in NZ and it’s exactly as described in this report.
No pets and they love love love to drink alcohol haha.
You would need a lot of alcohol to cope with been in a religion as bad as that one
Tragic to see a group that started with good motives deteriorate into a cult.
Most of these cults start out with psychopath leaders, with CV every intention of doing evil. They dont start out good and then go bad. They start out bad and then get exposed. Good people are brainwashed.
This is a really sad/frustrating documentary. I know people from the Brethren who DO use email/phones etc and do business with people outside of the brethren (i.e.: me being a completely non religious person)'
But - they certainly DON'T swear, thats what I thought was a number one rule - so, not sure who those scummy excuses for humans were at the start of the video (using the C*** word)
The Brethren have very different strains. There are a lot of different brethren
Thank you
They would be Open Brethren not Exclusive Brethren ... either way theyre seriously messed up ... from experience as a kid ... and theyre certainly not even a remote representation of true biblical christianity. ... theyre cults ... and so many churches verge on that its not funny
This is incredible.... in 2020
Wasn’t the British occultist Aleister Crowley brought up in this religion? I heard it was the religion of his parents and he rebelled against it once his father passed away, when he turned 11.
First time I've heard a scarfie dropping the C-Bomb
Who is a scarfie
My friend was put out of the house when he was 18yrs of age,another kind lady took him in until he had finished his education…He has no contact with his Brother,he sees his sister as she came out of the EB.Another family I knew ,3 members of the same family committed suicide….This is not Christian, it’s evil of the Devil..
Great
Far out looking at their political influences in 2020 across the globe is incredible
The Bible is clear - Accept a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. What happened in the exclusives is that they separated themselves so much from other Christians, they started basically inter breeding. Children were brought into the system and steeped in their teaching. The scriptures came almost second nature to them and they could argue and preach the gospel and doctrine from a very young age. They were child baptised which is a waste of time and gives false assurance. They participated in the 'breaking of bread' service - AND THEY WERE NOT EVEN CONVERTED TO CHRIST. They were easily led astray by false teachers who came into the 'system'. They were mixed up with wine bibbing, so called Christian liberty when they basically lived immoral lives and called it the liberty of grace. Is it any wonder it has been exposed as a 'cult'?
Like all previously Christian denominations, if they repent towards God and return to the first teachings when the Brethren came to be, stop following the words and teachings of the false teachers and get back to the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ alone, then God could and can take up individuals from this system and use them for His glory.
If not, then there is the danger of hearing the words of the Lord Jesus Christ 'Depart from me, I never knew you'.
how would u know whats going on in australia
Wow,angry,judgemental,nasty people.Jeez,the way they were treating the reporter and for no good reason.Incredible amounts of ignorance.Whenever a group separates themselves from family,friends,the rest of the world...that's a cult.
No, only you can shut the door on your own children. I use to live in Perth, and I know couples, as a family who left. Family comes before anything else, even religion.
How true the brethren, open and closed have such a low view of women; they believe women are only allowed to wash dishes and clean up. I was open pb for a while got slung out for marrying a divorcee!
A friend is going through such separation with Opus Dei. Turning his kids against him. How are they allowed to flourish? Churches need to be taxed and big time. They shouldn’t be rewarded for this.
Are they also known as “the meeting”?
I surly wouldn't want to be a part of this evil mess !!
Tell that to the man who had his children dragged from him.
ill get ur interview set me up with a hiden mic n ill portend to want to convert then ill answer anything u need to know
People that break up families
That was one of the worst descriptions of the Rapture I've ever heard.
Bum scott bum scott bum? What is that all about? From 14.00 it's more like "A night at the London Palladium" than a strict sect meeting.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
gotta roll with the punches. it is possible for there to be good christian associations. if they get corrupt, bring in the sword of the Word, and keep rollin'. don't let hypocrites drag you down.
Zac Tolan hallelujah
A woman i met said she worked as a teacher in a school in their town, lol.
May you be blessed to know Jesus for yourself. I was born into a black body, and I have experienced rejection and hatred as a consequence. But I was never deceived into thinking that it was God's Will that this should happen. And when I met Jesus on Bilgola Plateau, I was overcome with His love and understanding.
Your hatred is misplaced. Diseases are the result of evil. God gave men the power to make their own choices, and they choose to do evil. But God comforts those who choose Him. Bless you
I get the fact that many humans need to be lied to for the next life so that they'll continue living this one..
Any ideology that forces you to give up common sense, probably isn't your ticket to paradise..Ijs..😒
Shane of Martinsburg,WV wanted to let you know there is a connection between the JFK movie “Parkland” and Parkland, Florida killings which happened close to “President’s Day”.
The gal that said her mom had no food or water for three weeks. Thats not possible no one can go that long without water
Lyndall Canter excatly. All the people in this documentry are full of shit
My church is next to a exclusive brethren church they never show themselves lol .
Not surprising, as their services are normally at about 6am when everyone else is still in bed!
i wouldnt cope and neither would my family we would be ex communicated
I am Korean. Also, I belong to brethren, and I have seen brothers with a variety of races besides the white, so many times in my life.
Are you still brethren?
If a bunch of creepy, slack-jawed, hill-billy cowards took my family from me and told me I couldn't see them anymore I would cripple, maim or murder every single one of them that got in my way.
I normally have a lot of pity for the victims in these types of cults, but if those two brainless apes that threatened the reporter are indicative of the quality of membership, it is the duty of society to gas the adults and deprogram the children.
How original.
Did anyone else take notice of that kid giving the hand sign of the devil?
can they breath or move
As a witch, seeing these make me glad I’m not brainwashed.
If you are a witch, you are brainwashed.
How ironic that religion could be so complicated and damaging. How about just living life the best you can and just being a good influence in the lives of your family and people in general. It's not that difficult.
I find that difficult.
And no they're in the states and canada
its incorrect that all fundamentalist grps practise excommunication. Most hardcore protestant grps dont believe that the church is needed for salvation. Removal from the church(fellowship\0 isnt the same thing as losing salvation.
There's an excellent tool available for dealing with the brethren leadership. the Louisville Slugger company calls it the Model X12.
Control is control and very abusive. I am so glad to find out people can think for themselves and do so. There have been too many sins committed in the name of God. Terrible and very sad. Always question humans including those with religiously claimed power. What allows you to question allows you to make choices and maintain your free will. Blessings
Does this explain why COVID-19 is so hard to control?