Plymouth Brethren - Could A Gay Couple Attend Your Church?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มี.ค. 2015
- No, they're not the Men In Black, but when members of the evangelical Christian movement, the Plymouth Brethren, hit our streets to hand out 'turn or burn' tracts they almost always are dressed head to toe is solemn black (or white, tieless shirts). They called themselves Plymouth Brethren but I suspect they are the largely reclusive Exclusive Brethren, braving the evil world to save our souls by way of tiny leaflets.
When I ask their views on it and allowing gay couples into their church, our chat becomes far more uncomfortable (for them). You can decide whether you think I got a reasonable answer out of them!
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I am a Christian, and I cannot fault these men for being on the streets wishing to be faithful to share the gospel, it is a good thing for me to listen to and consider what I may have said, there are clearly things I would not have said but they are declaring the Lordship of Jesus Christ and for that I salute them. It did feel a bit of a ambush to record them without them knowing and then post on TH-cam. I would say take these discussions into the conscience like Paul, James, Timothy, Jesus himself taught rather than the intellect.
It is wonderful to hear the two Christian men bearing testimony with great love and kindness.
+Eliot Francis If you are referring to the two Brethren, I do not see much love and kindness in their beliefs. They see the entire world as evil, and shun their own members for the slightest infraction (like the JWs). You may have detected their uncomfortableness with the mention of gay people; something they - like so many religions - have great prejudice towards.
The Plymouth brethren originated in the 1820's (the open brethren).
The Exclusive Brethren (closed brethren) is a group that formed and separated from them in the 1840's.
The Plymouth brethren have nothing to do with the exclusive Brethren, though they use their original name to name their churches.
Thank God for these Christian Brethren men ! The boy doing the interview cannot understand because the Bible says 'If you are not born again...you cannot understand the Gospel...The young man interviewing Brethren proved the Bible scripture in John...by not being able to see or recognize spiritual truth...confirms exactly what the Word says...Jesus says 'My sheep hear my voice and they follow me.....and the Pharisees couldnt recognize Jesus either ….because Jesus told them their father was the devil and this young man interviewing is just like the Pharisees....I pray he repents and makes peace with God...
On the contrary, I was brought up Christian and 'born again'. I simply saw through it.
The interviewer seems quite false, both in what he says and in his manner, as.if seeking to entrap, whereas the Brethren guy seems thoroughly genuine. Neither seems to know his Bible. The Brethren guy was wise to stick to the Gospel and avoid being lured into an issue orientation.
I've said it before, but I work for a Bretherin company, and we are looked after, and the management are great, lovely people. I'm not Bretherin, but I respect it.
Regarding your mother, is there a difference between baptists and evangelicals? I've always heard the two terms used synonymously
sam rizzardi 'evangelical' tends to be a catch all term for any group which goes out proclaiming the doctrine in to the public. Baptists do a little bit about that I don't remember too much.
why not show a video of the actual event?
Quite interesting the first answer this guy gave comparing to the JWs. The witness lady explained everything the man asked from the bible. Everything. You could hear the difference. That's what stud out to me. In comparison.
God made man ,and woman to form families with their own children .That is what God's standard is .He said there should not be sex outside of marriage and he designed marriage between one man and one woman .Repentance means turning from sin not living in it .The Bible was brought to us by prophets and the test is does it come true. It is not like Nostradamus.Things prophesied were, who the messiah would be ,where He would born ,where he would do miracles,how he would die and be raised ,then how the Jews would scattered throughout the world and gathered back in the last days .etc.
The Bible also says that eating pork is an abomination. Divorce and remarriage is a sin according the Bible but I know many Christians who eat pork and I know many Christians who are divorced and remarried. Can someone please explain this to me? Are pork eaters and divorced and remarried Christians living in sin too?
Pork eating is an abomination for Jews...
For some good insight into The Exclusive Brethren I recommend a book called Righteous Release by Richard Gardner. It is a fictional novel based on the story from a friend of the author who left the Brethren.
They are a very archaic cult. The book above prompted me to do some research on this cult. They practice shunning and are not allowed to eat with non Brethren among many other things. So I was intrigued to see Talk Beliefs has a video with a Brethren I had no idea they proselytized.
Love your channel, keep up the great work!
Thank you so much for your support, and Ill follow up on that book (didnt know about that!). If you would like to see more of my Exclusive Brethren content, see the playlist here bit.ly/2tFY5Z7 (interviews & talk by ex-EB Jacky Hart, especially recommended! :-)
Is this part of the Church of the Brethren where they practice the "holy kiss" (male members kissing each other on the mouth)?
No
This is not church of Brethren. It is Plymouth Brethren
Good for you for putting this guy on the spot, a gay couple would not want to join this church, there would be gays in the Plymouth Brethren church but they would either be married and trying to pretend to ignore their feelings or living with their parents as they can't leave home till they get married.
Sadly the same is true for LGBT people in most religious organizations.
The person asking the questions is not genuine
Genuine yes; seeking the truth...no.
No
The "Exclusive Brethren" started to do a re-branding of themselves back around 2013 sometime, & they now officially call themselves the "Plymouth Brethren Christian Church", & have made a series of short "warm & fuzzy" video clips about the PBCC, making themselves out to be an ideal church, with no mention at all of the isolationist, reclusive, & exclusive nature of the church. The Exclusive Brethren have for many years now had a very bad reputation for shunning & disfellowshipping people & breaking up families, so I guess they thought it was about time they re-branded themselves so people would no longer recognise them, due to the new name of the church.
Of course, when the church was first started, many many years ago, it WAS actually called just the "Plymouth Brethren" - but then, as I recall, there were a couple of break-away groups, developing into the "Open Brethren" & the "Exclusive Brethren", & they were known for many years by these names, until the re-branding took place around 2013. Of course, as far as many people are concerned, despite the re-branding as the "Plymouth Brethren Christian Church", they will still always be the "Exclusive Brethren", with the same bad reputation for reclusiveness, isolation, & shunning, as they have always had. In other words, nothing at all has really changed - just the name.
janburn007 i used to work for a company owned by these people and they truly make me sick. Its such an obvious brain washed cult its disgusting
@janburn007 You have your facts wrong. Plymouth brethren started first in the 1820's. They are the open brethren.
The Exclusive Brethren branched out from them in the 1840's also called the closed brethren. The Plymouth brethren have nothing to do with the exclusive brethren.
@@sanjoabraham73 You misunderstood what I said in my post. The original "Plymouth Brethren" (ie the people purportedly proselytising in the above video clip) still exist as the "open brethren". What I said was that the break-away group who used to be known as the "Exclusive Brethren" or the "closed brethren" have in recent years around 2013 undergone a re-branding, now calling themselves the "Plymouth Brethren Christian Church" (PBCC) as opposed to just the "Plymouth Brethren" (open brethren). The reason I mentioned the Exclusive Brethren in my post was due to them being mentioned in the video's "description" details - even though I realise the people in the above video may not be Exclusive Brethren/PBCC.
Oh ok. I misunderstood what you said. Sorry
@@sanjoabraham73 No problem.
god's kindness...indeed. He wipes out the entire world by flooding it, then has his son (himself), tortured for the sins of others. Substitutionary sacrifice, better than animals I suppose, it's an update on a bronze age idea that is the epitome of brutality and immorality...suitable for it's time thousands of years ago. The world is a better place than it was way back then. Like all religions, christianity answers the "what's the meaning and purpose of life and how do I cope with the finality of death" issue. We die people, and when it's done it's done and we hope that we have done something good for our fellow human beings while we are here.
MuscleMaxZ1, Hey max! Not to mention the God impregnates his own, soon to be mother, so that she may give birth to him, so that he can sacrifice himself to himself, over over these pet peeves that humans have violated. What a weird religion, I used to believe in! LOL!
The faith in the Lord Jesus and experiencing His love and salvation is beyond words. Of course He understands. BUT you need to realise it when one is born gay IT IS NOT A CHOICE!!! It is genetic! The choice to live a celibate life in the face of human feelings for any young man (which I suspect all the straight men in the Brethren have not had to deny) think about it.... I know!
Perhaps you should have asked them how they feel about child molesters. They have had plenty in their ranks.
Do you have proof?..
These guys have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
It is sad when non believers try to make excuses for sin. Inventing the idea that people are "born gay" and then trying to press that myth into the bible is called being silly. Homosexuality was against the Levitical law because it was and is an action. It is a verb. Asides from that what you are calling "being born gay" is simply the same tendency to sin that all people suffer from. Trying to make sin legitimate may gain the worlds approval but it won't gain God's approval nor will it trick those who follow God.
strattgatt Whether one is born gay or not, why do you call it a 'sin'? Is it comparable to murder, in your eyes? Some people have desires for their own gender and form consensual relationships in the same was as you do with those of the opposite sex. They are simply living the only way they know how. It does not help when they are told that they are being 'evil'.
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I call it sin because the Bible calls it sin and also it is evident that the male body was made for the female body and also that is how procreation works. So Bible and observation. I don't believe it is comparable to murder, no. Someone may murder one time and never again. Obviously people who are gay and consider it to be ok remain in their sin and never change their way.So you are saying you wouldn't tell a murderer that murder is wrong because you don't think it is helpful? Or you are saying that you have decided that Homosexuality is not a sin anymore?
strattgatt
Of course I would not approach murder that way. As for considering homosexuality a sin, I never thought of it as one because it does not harm anyone and is not a choice. Sure, gay people can decide not to date, have sex, etc, but why should they deny themselves what straight people have? As long as believers go back to the default position of the Bible being absolutely correct, we will not make any progress in this world. At least there is some progress, as seen by the marriage equality votes in the world recently. The bible is simply a collection of ideas - some good, most prejudiced - that people continue to view as infallible. You have the right to believe that, but I dont agree.
strattgatt As with most people who condemn homosexuals, I would deduce that you do not actually know any gay people. And I mean KNOW, not KNOW OF. I suggest you meet at least one and talk to him or her and understand what their plight is.
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I know many many sinners including homosexuals. Familiarity does not change what is right and wrong. My best friend has had an abortion and is divorced. I love my friend enough to tell him that both of those were poor life choices. I would think the issue is not that I do not know any homosexuals but that you probably do not know any Christians. Referring to sin as sin, no more condemns homosexuals than anyone else. It sounds like you are hoping for a fantasy involving some television like personalities. You will probably not be the hero.