housemystery ......who don't have issues New Edition had issues but still some how managed to get it together so there you go and both groups are amazing......never kno w what future holds, they may come back together with the new Envogue member added like New Edition did with Johnny Gill who knows but here they was speaking talent wise so there you have it
Yep they were. It's truly a shame that they couldn't keep the group together. They could've had a successful Vegas residency just like Boyz II Men. Honestly, I'm not interested in any En Vogue project unless it involves all four of the original members.
Oh my gosh. These women were FIRE!! When Dawn and Maxine left, it CEASED to be En Vogue. IMHO, there has NEVER been, and there will NEVER be a quartet at this level of vocals at this calibre EVER!!!! Sigh........
@A Gent she didn't say what really happened? The girls including Maxine were basically treating her like shit and tryna kick her out because she was standing up against the bullshit. Look up her new interview.
@A Gent please. She didn’t run. She walked away. She knew her worth. The others were satisfied with scraps. Eff that. Salute to her for knowing her worth and not settling for less.
Dawn speaks with specific details. That is the hallmark of an honest person! She had every right to ask for their due. There is NO En Vogue if the greedy management won't share the wealth.
Dwayne Martinez it has happened to many groups fighting over money producers , fair management. 3lw , 702, xscape destiny's child swv total and when members date the producers they always side with management to protect themselves forgetting about the other people involved.
Reina Acosta money wise yes but TLC fought together unlike them When one didn't agree they all didn't agree Had they all stood firm I believe it would've worked
@PensiveCzar 2 Things: Despite what you mentioned, Mariah could SANG anybody's mf HOUSE DOWN & she could/can write‼‼ She definitely had a team behind with the help of her Tommy Mottola in front of her 😝 (for 5+ years)
Cindy married well to a "David Justice" type baseball player and Terry was dating one of the rich producers that owned the group so of course they were not worried about money. This group was NEVER the same once Dawn left. They lost their edge.
M Williams apparently it is a mathew knowles like character in all music groups that caused the demise of many groups male or female😂😂😂😂😈😈be aware of wolves in sheep's clothing they ars out for fresh meat and blood to feed themselves.
I'm glad to finally hear Dawn articulate her side, because, for a long time I held a grudge thinking she just left bring a brat. Turns out she had legitimately justified concerns. I wish these execs weren't such greedy bastards. I love ALL of En Vogue.
@@fancii Your life must be so awesome and I am jealous. I wish I had enough energy to hold a grudge against a singer that I don’t know because after dealing with Family, work, health, and wealth I am drained. Am I doing something wrong? I always wondered how some people could put so much time and emotion into these entertainers. I think I need to escape my reality and focus more on entertainment. I held a grudge against the guy that killed my little brother but after reading your comment I realized that I am not special and that there are other people who feel the same way as me and have there own grudges. Thank you for letting me know that I am not alone. R.I.P Lil Bro 🥲❤️💪🏾
@@videojones9884 haha that's so cute. Actually my life IS awesome thank you. My family has been in the music business since the 60's. My dad sang with Larry Graham. His cousin was KC & the Sunshine Band's Lawyer and his other cousin was their background singer. Betty Wright was my god-mother. Yes I DID have the energy to hold a grudge because not only was my life awesome but I was young and dumb enough to do so. Growing older I learned better. The irony of your comment is, you're doing to me the very thing I was doing (which is rediculing someone when you don't know anything about them)- Your sarcastic reply is you doing the same thing and rdiculing ME for it. I'll emplore you to grow up as I have. Good Day.
Terry was so content with the pay that she even toured w/ Beyoncé and Toni Braxton as a background singer. that alone should validate Dawn’s point. The common denominator of En Vogue breaking up is Terry and Cindy’s willingness to accept less than what is deserved, and it looks like they’ve found the girl that’ll finally go along with their BS... yes, i’m referring to Rhona.
Wow you are so on point! In the entertainment industry there are suckers who go for anything as long as I'm in boss, yessa boss and those who refuse to sell their soul. Somethings are not worth your soul.
Yeah they couldn’t band together to renegotiate terms for the albums because Terry was on the side of the producers. Touring is the only way the group can make any money. Now they have to tour all the time just to have income coming in, so that is a good fit for someone like Rhona who can get a steady check instead of a 9-5. In the long run , too much touring devalues the brand because it’s overexposure and there becomes less of an insensitive for fans to buy tickets if they either just seen you in their city a few months ago or you can predict that they’ll be back for you to catch them another time
Estella Cohen unfortunately swv, tlc xscape ,destiny's child 3lw all fought over royalties , managers, boyfriends relationships with managers and group members dating .
Sadly most of groups and artists at the time we're given terrible deals I.e. TLC and Xscape. It seems to me Terry and Cindy didn't want to rock the boat even though what was going on wasn't good. Dawn and Max only wanted it to be fair.
Producers are crooks...it's so sad to know that as successful as they were, they really never benefit from it. That producer deserves to go to jail...using people to make money, what a shame
Do - not put or always the blame on these record producer (s) !!!!!/ they want to work it out or what try for the fan (s) then they really really could / would !!!! / you all take responsibility !!!!!????
dontlaughtoomuch11 First of all, do not call me retarded. Second of all, Dawn's image DID take a hit on R&B Divas. She seemed scrambled, her car overheating but her spending her money on in-vitro, not even bother to showing up to the reunion? This doesn't take away from Dawn's talent. She has a beautiful voice, and she seems like a perfectly kind woman. But I'm speaking on the image of her on that show.
She was a mess on R&B Divas LA. But that's how they edited the show. As for Wendy. I love her but she's just talk like every other gossip analysts or blog cuz that where she gets her information from. I love the group as a whole & w/o Dawn & Maxine. They got an amazing song out now. But I definitely don't hate on Dawn & Maxine. They were smart about the business & wish them nothing but the best.
So true! En Vogue is Dawn,Maxine,Terry and Cindy ONLY! No one could replace any of them. Together they are perfection, solo, not so much!!! The melodic ensemble.
That's how that business goes when it comes to black ppl, you get the fame but you don't get the proceeds off your own talent that actually runs the label . Max is still gorgeous so is Dawn, I can't believe she really talk like that, she sound soulful when she sings .
When Dawn left the group, I thought she did it because she had gotten bored, big headed, and wanted to pursue a solo career like so many other lead singers had done. I actually thought the powers that be had pushed her into lead position because of her beauty and youth. Glad to know the real reason. And to top it off, she's the youngest! In fact, they all had her by a few years!!
I saw Cindy on stage in San Francisco years before En Vogue fame. I thought she was a teenager. Her sister (Carmelita) was far more "interesting" to me visually. It was recently I found Cindy is actually a couple of months older than I. She from what I've seen still looks the youngest. She'll be 56 soon, about 2 months younger than Obama, and about 2 months older than I.
The drama is relevant to today because most people never knew that Dawn left the group bcuz they were getting robbed and she only wanted them all to get what they deserved. Who would continue to let someone rob you just bcuz your group member is sleeping with your producer? Why did not Terry want more for herself...after all she and Denzil Foster never married. Cindy was married to a pro football player but why did not she want better?
BloodyMaori he never said anything about Dawn's solo album. and it is funny how you will defend two ladies who rather be on a leash and work for practically nothing. don't waste your time defending clowns [Cin and Terry). haven't you heard the song "Tears of a Clown". Dawn chose to fight for what is right
Man you guys need to get your fact, lies straight. Cindy's husband did not play football, he played baseball. Hello! Also as far as money Dawn knew being in a group meant having to split the money 4 ways and if you don't write all of your songs you don't get writers credit, so you aren't going to make a gazillion dollars like one thinks they should. En Vogue made some money. Dawn wasn't satisfied though. She wanted to make money like she was a solo artist. Dawn chose to leave the group. Why didn't she go out and make that solo artist money if since she was that concerned about making more money? She definitely had several opportunities to do so. It's amazing how she keeps blaming En Vogue for her mishaps. En Vogue has moved on.
This breaks my heart. These ladies were such an inspiration and such a force to beckon. I'm sorry for what happened to them. They were obviously hurt by this. This line of business sucks. It just sucks. Together they were explosive in a good way.
Also I recall an interview a few years that Dawn gave to Vibe when she joined Lucy Pearl..She again mentioned that the group was not making money and she EVEN had to convince a member (she didnt say which one) of En Vouge to go on welfare and assited her with the paperwork. Botton line.....this group was not making any money and Dawn tried to address it but they didn't listen.
+Eriq7001 Welfare?! Wow! I didn't know that their pay was that bad! They were so glamorous, performing worldwide that I thought they were personally living a rich and lavish lifestyle. Wow, I don't blame Dawn for speaking out and leaving the group.
+Emma Jones Yes. There are two valid reasons why the group didn't make any money. First off they group did not right ANY of their hits. The production company (I know its two guys , one that was involved with Terry) wrote all the material for the group so they got the money from the songwriting angle. Second eventhough the contract was bogus people forget they all came from OAKLAND....That's the highest real estate market and im sure money was always an issue ...The Bay area is an expensive place to live and the four couldn't afford the lavish lifestyles they thought they should be making. PlusTerry and Cindy (at that time) were involved with men who were millionaires so i'm sure money was no issue for them.
I think the person she was talking about was Max, but it could have been Terry too. Because their pay was so bad, Terry had to tour and as a backup singer for Toni Braxton in 1999
Thanks ...Dawn didn't reveal which one of the three was on welfare and who she assisted with the paperwork..cause if she did they would probally go and say Dawn was lying. And its so easy nowadays for singers to go broke. They do not have a record contract anymore, cant afford the house or property taxes...they have 4-5 cars and the cannot get booked for high profile gigs anymore. Look at the recent Unsung about Shanice. It happened to her.
First time I heard EnVouge I was 10 or 11 and I fell in LOVE with the group.. The song "Don't Go" had me in a trance, as a kid! I don't care about all the befores but these ladies need to work their issues out. EnVouge was vocally the best female R&B groups of all time. (my opinion)
It was a very mesmerizing song, lol. Dressed in loose silk draping fabric swaying in rhythm together in the desert while Terry sang and the rest harmonized in the background, cooiing "don't go" seductively, almost like a lullaby. So sexy 🥵
Say what you want about Dawn but I applaud her for having the balls to stand up for herself. Wrong is wrong at the end of the day you have to look at yourself in the mirror
No! EnVogue is all foyr women! not two seperate acts! They need to settle their differences and get back together! Fans want the orignal line up! Maxine,Terry,Cindy an Dawn! lets go ladies!
This is sad .... I hope the oringial group get back together and they all get the money they deserve. They're legends!!!!!! For crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!
That is what the music exec's, lawyers, managers all count on... that the talent has no clue about what they are supposed to make. You can't even trust your managers, lawyers, or accountants. So many people were victimized because they did not understand contracts and how the expenses are paid or how the profits were distributed. For a long time, groups rarely made any kind of money on record sales or publishing rights. Most groups made their money touring and selling merchandise (unless those rights were wrestled away). I am glad to see how the internet got back at the industry and how artist can keep more of the money they earned.
I remember after Dawn left, that was a huge deal and it just seemed to us at the time that En Vogue was really over because it just wouldn't be the same without her.
They all would make GREAT solo singers!! It breaks my heart to see what happened to these beautiful and mega talented ladies. I won't give up, hoping that they will wise up, and get back together only NOT in the wicked music industry, but go independent.
I mean, this is just ridiculous for them to have gone through that as huge as they were... I agree with Dawn and Max.... Fight for what is RIGHT OR SETTLE FOR LESS THAN YOUR WORTH!
This is an example of why there aren't many or groups of today's that are not together. The entertainment business is so messy. You see more solo acts today than any.
Dawn, Maxine, Cindy, Terry bond together come together stay together stay strong, Stay healthy, stay united and no one come between you and your dollars. God blessed you all and let no one stand in you way. Pray and Deliver ask for wisdom ladies.
i didn't understand why Terry did an album. She wasn't that big of a singer in the group! None of them in my opinion were. They were a group of lead singers who did better way better together than solo.
QueenMariahCarey They all can sing..I just didn't see the solo star power in Terry out of all of them. I didn't get back then or even now why her..I just wished they got over the nonsense and got back with Foster & McElroy. I believe they have another album in them.
not to mention it wasn't fair to scrap dawn's album because terry's failed... they always try to make dawn out to be the trouble maker cuz she stirred the pot... but in this situation she was right to...
Goddess Lee Yeah I must say ... the last few years have given me a different view of Dawn. My opinion of her is not as harsh as it once was. Like Shalamar , New Edition and a lot of R&B acts, they were doomed by virtue of how they started out. If you listen to the interview Dawn did with Lady Charmaine you really get some interesting insights. Truth be told, I see Terry and Cindy's side and I see Dawn and Maxine's side, too. Too bad they can't meet in the middle. What I wonder is, why after all these years are they STILL working with Foster and McElroy? EV3, while not a masterpiece, was a promising new direction and showed they could work with other producers. I don't understand why they never truly branched out. I think that held them back.
Looking at the new En Vogue with three members is like watching Home Alone 3 with the kid that no one even knew who he was. I’ll never rock with the current En Vogue group.
Something about Maxine's voice sounds like home. This interview just made me look up her bio. I never knew she was from Jersey! Now that accent makes sense. ♥️
this is some good behind-the-scenes information. I seem to remember that publicly they said the women wanted to concentrate on family and such. They lied.
Thanks for sharing. Sometimes interviews without an entire group present sound one-sided. I didn't feel that here at all! 👏🏽 I appreciated their tone, words, and sincerity.....and TRUTH. ✊🏽
Hate the fact that this happens to unbelievably great African American groups it's ashamed we as fans endure this each DECADE! Mabe as artists coming in it should be A film or class that should be taken so the same crap wouldn't happen over and over again.
I have to put my 2 cents in! I love EnVogue the original 4, I have always admired every last one of them. They are hands down the best girl group ever! I think it is a real shame that they are divided. I wish these classy girls could have given us one final album. Sadly sometimes seasons end. . EV4 forever.
In my opinion, the other members, as in the current lineup, are En Vogue. Cindy and Terry have been in the group the whole time, and never quit willy nilly. So yeah, En Vogue is the current lineup.
Terry, Dawn, Cindy and Maxine are En Vogue!!! They were always such a pleasure to watch these Ladies. So classy, yet funky!! The music business sucks, not the artists. I miss En Vogue!
I'm so glad they explained what was happening. Now I understand what happened. I only wish they would have tried harder to all stand up for Re-Negotiations.
This is what happens when you mix business with pleasure…I thought the original EnVogue was extraordinary! I am glad to hear this interview with Maxine and Dawn. They are shedding light to what actually happened. I’ve always heard that Terry was going w/one of the producers and that may be what ruined the group too. Of course Cindy sided with Terry and I think that was a conflict. It was said Dawn was the problem when she wasn’t. If all of the women worked together they most likely would have gotten the best deal where everyone was happy. Truly talented singers. Too bad. I hope someday they can all come to a mutual agreement and settle financially so they can make what they deserve.
They were not getting paid what they were worth. Dawn stood up for that. And I think Maxine also. The other two ladies seemed to not feel so strongly about getting paid more. That is too bad.
I'm glad Dawn has stood her ground for all these years. It's great to see women in general, but especially Black women who know their worth and won't compromise.
Similar story to TLC with LA Reid, NSYNC and Backstreet Boys with Lou Perlman, and Berry Gordy with EVERYONE--except Smokey Robinson (who helped build the company and one of their top songwriters), Diana Ross (his mistress), Marvin Gaye (who was married to his sister), and Jermaine Jackson (who was married to his daughter).
There's three sides to every story we have side A, Side B, and of course the truth. With what Dawn is saying, there has to be some truth to it and I agree with her on this situation. For them to be one of the top groups of the 90's and being paid couch change is ridiculous. Dawn tried to rally the other girls to renogotiate the contracts cause if it was just her alone, it would seem like she's been greedy & selfish, but that's not the case. They are stronger when they stand together.
Singer to singers...just because "you" were the ones "out front" does not mean that you were the ones "DOING ALL THE WORK" as Dawn explained so eloquently! #1, they came from an era where you not only had to sing very well and look incredible...YOU HAD TO HAVE EXCELLENT SONGWRITING AND SUPERB PRODUCTION! IF THE LADIES THEMSELVES WEREN'T WRITING AND/OR PRODUCING THEY WERE NOT "DOING ALL THE WORK"! Performers often time get mixed up when they fail to understand what is "REALLY" taking place in the music industry. It was their responsibility to get their own attorney to educate themselves as to what they were getting themselves into BEFORE they signed the very FIRST DEAL with Foster and McElroy...but they didn't apparently and if they did and still signed the first deal then they have even less to complain about. Secondly, if the entity you signed your initial contract with doesn't want to negotiate a new contract while the original one is still intact they are not obligated to do so! As a matter to fact as per the contract the artist IS OBLIGATED to perform according to the original contract. I loved these women as a group however if Foster and McElroy had not put this group together of their own volition we would have never ever known who Terri, Dawn, Max, and Cindy were. They had an opportunity that wasn't afforded to other women whose talent level was immensely greater than theirs and due to maintaining wrong perspective on the situation they missed a golden opportunity to be even greater than they had become...which was quite great.
Sadly group didn’t have a plan, must tread carefully when fighting with powerful machine like record company, that can make or break you with snap of finger.. true, their label contract afforded each member a solo option, but like any employer’s job description for hired employee your primary job duties can be interrupted, changed whenever they choose, such as with record label manager (Sylvia R.) who has authority to do just that.. apparently doing what was in best interest of the record company and where her loyalty and duty lie… wish Dawn would have humbly cooperated.. old saying “be a team player” for greater🧐 and with an exit plan in place while abiding her time.. also giving herself greater exposure to really shine, she was already a up and coming starlet, the spotlight was on her, taking her stage singing artistry to even greater heights, an unstoppable force in often times ruthless business.. but like a fresh fish out of hot water opportunities did come, but short live and 25 years later sadly never materialized.. God forgives, why can’t they! best wishes for return Triumphant EV reunion, don’t let the adversary disrupt, ALL six and no exclusions PLEASE (Cindy, Maxine, Dawn, Terri, Amanda, Rhona) they are En Vogue no matter the contribution “together we stand, divided we fall” “Not my will, but Gods will” (11/2022) ✝️💙🎙m.th-cam.com/video/h0OtnFocBbE/w-d-xo.html
The four of them together were unstoppable
AND THEY HAD PROBLEMS, SO IF THEY HAD ISSUES THEN ,THERE YOU HAVE IT.
housemystery ......who don't have issues New Edition had issues but still some how managed to get it together so there you go and both groups are amazing......never kno w what future holds, they may come back together with the new Envogue member added like New Edition did with Johnny Gill who knows but here they was speaking talent wise so there you have it
Yep they were. It's truly a shame that they couldn't keep the group together. They could've had a successful Vegas residency just like Boyz II Men. Honestly, I'm not interested in any En Vogue project unless it involves all four of the original members.
IKR!
They manage by the Tony Tony Tony we're manage if you see their documentary you'll know why
This group was a force to be reckoned with. There is no female group that could sing like them!!!
Have you heard the replacement sing? Amanda Cole. Look up her, "I Will Always Love You" cover. Omg.
Arghhhhh stop making me laugh. SPICE GIRLS ARE THE GREATEST
YOU'RE the joke-teller HERE! Spice Girls could NEVER! And I ABSOLUTELY LOVE them, too! @@michaelmarama-de4gx
@@michaelmarama-de4gx , Except the spice girls don't sing very well and I'm being really nice.
@@clintonhouston1048 they do, you just don't understand there British accent you dork
When I hear the name En Vogue, Dawn, Cindy, Maxine, and, Terry comes to my mind. Anything else is uncivilized!
Perfect
Ikr
AGREED
Somehow I feel DAwN might think she is " the one". A Beyonce in the making.
Group was excellent, too bad they can't do it again
That part!
Oh my gosh. These women were FIRE!! When Dawn and Maxine left, it CEASED to be En Vogue. IMHO, there has NEVER been, and there will NEVER be a quartet at this level of vocals at this calibre EVER!!!! Sigh........
So true….
Dawn Robinson still looks good at 51 years old.
59 now
@@Novakdjokovic517 oh shit is she? They all are beautiful women to me.
@@Novakdjokovic517 dawn is 54
@@robertbouldin7978 shes still beautiful
@@Novakdjokovic517 How did you come up with 59? 🤔
Dawn is bravest member of En Vogue but she need to know how to handle business better
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@A Gent they weren’t paying them fair. That’s why dawn left
@A Gent she didn't say what really happened? The girls including Maxine were basically treating her like shit and tryna kick her out because she was standing up against the bullshit. Look up her new interview.
@@aizenzae4510 whewww thank you! Watched it! I already knew a little of what she was saying, but she touched on some deep stuff❤️
@A Gent please. She didn’t run. She walked away. She knew her worth. The others were satisfied with scraps. Eff that. Salute to her for knowing her worth and not settling for less.
Dawn speaks with specific details. That is the hallmark of an honest person! She had every right to ask for their due. There is NO En Vogue if the greedy management won't share the wealth.
Mr. Mill Thank yooooou!! This is going heavy in the industry even TLC Movie showed facts about it
Dwayne Martinez it has happened to many groups fighting over money producers , fair management. 3lw , 702, xscape destiny's child swv total and when members date the producers they always side with management to protect themselves forgetting about the other people involved.
AS R
...but ohhh, they'll try to dig a Dee, DEEP hole to bury YoU in!
The four original members are LEGENDS!
I can understand where Dawn and Maxine are coming from. If I was working hard Id wanna make sure I was getting a healthy paycheck as well.
Ornacia right! I know they not lying. Shit left eye and the girls went gangster about they shit!
satona boston Hahaha haha!! Yeah, Left eye and T-boz. LMBO! Left eye was hilarious! I love that about them.
Right? I'd go ganster gang banging psycho bout my money!
Not just working hard. Everybody getting paid off them but them
Making no money now.
Same thing happened to TLC. Its a greedy business.
Reina Acosta money wise yes but TLC fought together unlike them
When one didn't agree they all didn't agree
Had they all stood firm I believe it would've worked
Reina Acosta yes
They all shoulda been as tough as Mariah! And wrote their own shit
Especially when you are in a group and have to split money.
@PensiveCzar 2 Things:
Despite what you mentioned, Mariah could SANG anybody's mf HOUSE DOWN & she could/can write‼‼ She definitely had a team behind with the help of her Tommy Mottola in front of her 😝 (for 5+ years)
2 pennies per girl? That is just pure evil.
That’s evil and greedy
BxxDxx Hoodoo you remember Sam goody!!!Those were the days man those were the days
God sees all👀👀👀👀
BxxDxx Hoodoo I’m going to plead the 5th on that one.
TLC, Toni Braxton, New Edition, etc..
Cindy married well to a "David Justice" type baseball player and Terry was dating one of the rich producers that owned the group so of course they were not worried about money. This group was NEVER the same once Dawn left. They lost their edge.
Glenn Bragg
Cindy just divorced him for cheating.
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It's a shame that the original "funky divas" couldn't work things out. I absolutely loved them as a group!😢
She Lola i loved those outfits in the free your mind video .
Dawn has a beautiful spirit about her.
M Williams ooh can we get a movie then ohhhh the shade lol.
M Williams apparently it is a mathew knowles like character in all music groups that caused the demise of many groups male or female😂😂😂😂😈😈be aware of wolves in sheep's clothing they ars out for fresh meat and blood to feed themselves.
M Williams 😈😈😈the music industry is shady asf.
#TeamSagittariusshit ♐️🐎🔥‼️‼️‼️
I'm glad to finally hear Dawn articulate her side, because, for a long time I held a grudge thinking she just left bring a brat. Turns out she had legitimately justified concerns. I wish these execs weren't such greedy bastards. I love ALL of En Vogue.
A grudge?
@@videojones9884 yeah a whole grudge.
Two sides to every story...three if you count the truth.
@@fancii Your life must be so awesome and I am jealous. I wish I had enough energy to hold a grudge against a singer that I don’t know because after dealing with Family, work, health, and wealth I am drained. Am I doing something wrong? I always wondered how some people could put so much time and emotion into these entertainers. I think I need to escape my reality and focus more on entertainment. I held a grudge against the guy that killed my little brother but after reading your comment I realized that I am not special and that there are other people who feel the same way as me and have there own grudges. Thank you for letting me know that I am not alone. R.I.P Lil Bro 🥲❤️💪🏾
@@videojones9884 haha that's so cute. Actually my life IS awesome thank you. My family has been in the music business since the 60's. My dad sang with Larry Graham. His cousin was KC & the Sunshine Band's Lawyer and his other cousin was their background singer. Betty Wright was my god-mother. Yes I DID have the energy to hold a grudge because not only was my life awesome but I was young and dumb enough to do so. Growing older I learned better. The irony of your comment is, you're doing to me the very thing I was doing (which is rediculing someone when you don't know anything about them)- Your sarcastic reply is you doing the same thing and rdiculing ME for it. I'll emplore you to grow up as I have. Good Day.
Terry was so content with the pay that she even toured w/ Beyoncé and Toni Braxton as a background singer. that alone should validate Dawn’s point. The common denominator of En Vogue breaking up is Terry and Cindy’s willingness to accept less than what is deserved, and it looks like they’ve found the girl that’ll finally go along with their BS... yes, i’m referring to Rhona.
Rhona sucks
I also think either Terry or Cindy was dating one of the dudes that out the group together at that time as well.
Wow you are so on point! In the entertainment industry there are suckers who go for anything as long as I'm in boss, yessa boss and those who refuse to sell their soul. Somethings are not worth your soul.
Yeah they couldn’t band together to renegotiate terms for the albums because Terry was on the side of the producers. Touring is the only way the group can make any money. Now they have to tour all the time just to have income coming in, so that is a good fit for someone like Rhona who can get a steady check instead of a 9-5. In the long run , too much touring devalues the brand because it’s overexposure and there becomes less of an insensitive for fans to buy tickets if they either just seen you in their city a few months ago or you can predict that they’ll be back for you to catch them another time
Unbelievable! How do you go from En Vogue to background singing?!
They need a damn 2 hour Unsung. It’s so much factored into their demise that public doesn’t even know.
There needs to be a "Where are they now" show, because they really don't fall under the Unsung title.
@@lql1094 I agree!
@@lql1094 neither do the vast majority of artist on unsung.
@@b1bo840like who
Max and Dawn complement each other well. Max have the sass and umph where Dawn is more chill.
Sadly this happens to so many Black groups!
Estella Cohen unfortunately swv, tlc xscape ,destiny's child 3lw all fought over royalties , managers, boyfriends relationships with managers and group members dating .
Estella Cohen
Not all groups. The Four Tops never broke up. The Whispers.
BlackStreet, Jodeci, Boyz II Men, EnVogue, SWV, TLC, Xscape, The Commodores,Troop, Club Noveau,N.W.A,etc.
You do know that they were signed to black record companies?
Estella Cohen Yes throughout the decades. So sad.
I like Dawn and without her and Maxine, En Vogue will NEVER be the same.
DARRELL NEWSON Terri and Cindy have new music out. Really pretty song called Rocket
Right
Yes and they sound great. But En Vogue is NOT the same without the original members.
Hush please
DARRELL NEWSON Right
Dawn has always been my favorite. So much spunk!
#TeamSagittariusshit ♐️🔥🐎‼️‼️‼️
I love love how Dawn sings!! I loved her in Lucy Pearl she is bad ass
I forgot about that, good looking out.
I love her beauty
Dawn was the best looking one out of the group, she was definitely my favorite
@@eastcoastgrandison4855 dawn and max in the 90s were looking better than all of them
I agree …all the way ….and hearing her speak only makes me a bigger fan
Sadly most of groups and artists at the time we're given terrible deals I.e. TLC and Xscape. It seems to me Terry and Cindy didn't want to rock the boat even though what was going on wasn't good. Dawn and Max only wanted it to be fair.
I remember watching T-Boz break down how TLC with a number one album could be broke. I think that was aroundd 95.
Joel H : I heard that Terry was in an affair with a guy who managed them. Just hear say.
@@cheriremily9360 Left-eye*
@@marleyite yea she was dating their producer/manager at the time
Funny enough En Vogue and Destiny's Child have the EXACT same group story.
I always say that EnVogue is hands down the best female group of all time
Producers are crooks...it's so sad to know that as successful as they were, they really never benefit from it. That producer deserves to go to jail...using people to make money, what a shame
It's a shame how these record companies destroys these groups, especially in r&b.
Do - not put or always the blame on these record producer (s) !!!!!/ they want to work it out or what try for the fan (s) then they really really could / would !!!! / you all take responsibility !!!!!????
Dawn is very financially smart here, so props to her, but she was a MESS on R&B Divas LA
dontlaughtoomuch11 First of all, do not call me retarded.
Second of all, Dawn's image DID take a hit on R&B Divas. She seemed scrambled, her car overheating but her spending her money on in-vitro, not even bother to showing up to the reunion?
This doesn't take away from Dawn's talent. She has a beautiful voice, and she seems like a perfectly kind woman. But I'm speaking on the image of her on that show.
stoy1000 Shut the fuck up kid :)
stoy1000 Again shut the fuck up ;)
Jacob Flores 😂💀😂YES!
She was a mess on R&B Divas LA. But that's how they edited the show. As for Wendy. I love her but she's just talk like every other gossip analysts or blog cuz that where she gets her information from. I love the group as a whole & w/o Dawn & Maxine. They got an amazing song out now. But I definitely don't hate on Dawn & Maxine. They were smart about the business & wish them nothing but the best.
It's so sad that this group broke up. They were magical together. The best girl group ever!!!
Red Passion yes the first female group i ever heard.
I’ve always loved Dawn. She always stood out to me and I appreciated her being in Lucy Pearl as well. People always go after the outspoken ones.
Dawn is my favorite 💯❤ 💕 not the same without her.... I love all her lead songs on En Vogue🔥 🤗
I agree. Dawn was soul of En Vogue. The group was not the same without her.!
Hold on to your Money: The En Vogue Story
Lmao...Pretty much!
lovebug6792 😁😁😂💀💀💀💀#LMAO destiny's child 3lw tlc xscape 702 , swv ....(smh).
lovebug6792 OMG...PERFECT
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lovebug6792 lol!
lovebug6792 sadly vocalists are only "puppets" to the industry.
So true! En Vogue is Dawn,Maxine,Terry and Cindy ONLY! No one could replace any of them. Together they are perfection, solo, not so much!!! The melodic ensemble.
That's how that business goes when it comes to black ppl, you get the fame but you don't get the proceeds off your own talent that actually runs the label . Max is still gorgeous so is Dawn, I can't believe she really talk like that, she sound soulful when she sings .
Just like Michele'e!
It’s a shame they were denied their stardom! En Vogue was THE ULTIMATE FEMALE GROUP!!!
Dawn is so cute. Her voice. That hairdo.
A Rose that Blooms in Early May yes! I thought same thing! Both seem very close! Nice!
I sat in front of her once at a Janet Jackson concert and she is drop dead gorgeous In Person.
A Rose that Blooms in Early May I don't like her little whiney ass voice .
I love it too so goodness
A Rose that Blooms in Early May DAWN!!!! IS THE BOMB💕❤️💕
When Dawn left the group, I thought she did it because she had gotten bored, big headed, and wanted to pursue a solo career like so many other lead singers had done. I actually thought the powers that be had pushed her into lead position because of her beauty and youth. Glad to know the real reason. And to top it off, she's the youngest! In fact, they all had her by a few years!!
Yep, when they began (1990) they were: Cindy (28), Maxine (28), Terry (26), Dawn (24).
I saw Cindy on stage in San Francisco years before En Vogue fame. I thought she was a teenager. Her sister (Carmelita) was far more "interesting" to me visually. It was recently I found Cindy is actually a couple of months older than I. She from what I've seen still looks the youngest. She'll be 56 soon, about 2 months younger than Obama, and about 2 months older than I.
K Moore hmmm
Me too!!!! LOL
@@wcwn3632 hold up, they were all in their 20s when they started out as en vogue. I thought they were younger than that
The drama is relevant to today because most people never knew that Dawn left the group bcuz they were getting robbed and she only wanted them all to get what they deserved. Who would continue to let someone rob you just bcuz your group member is sleeping with your producer? Why did not Terry want more for herself...after all she and Denzil Foster never married. Cindy was married to a pro football player but why did not she want better?
Clearly, you were not listening. Sylvia cancelled Dawns solo record. That had NOTHING to do with Terry dating one of the producers.
BloodyMaori he never said anything about Dawn's solo album. and it is funny how you will defend two ladies who rather be on a leash and work for practically nothing. don't waste your time defending clowns [Cin and Terry). haven't you heard the song "Tears of a Clown". Dawn chose to fight for what is right
JLPerryTV From your previous posts on another En Vogue video-you have proven yourself to be the clown.
Man you guys need to get your fact, lies straight. Cindy's husband did not play football, he played baseball. Hello! Also as far as money Dawn knew being in a group meant having to split the money 4 ways and if you don't write all of your songs you don't get writers credit, so you aren't going to make a gazillion dollars like one thinks they should. En Vogue made some money. Dawn wasn't satisfied though. She wanted to make money like she was a solo artist. Dawn chose to leave the group. Why didn't she go out and make that solo artist money if since she was that concerned about making more money? She definitely had several opportunities to do so. It's amazing how she keeps blaming En Vogue for her mishaps. En Vogue has moved on.
☕ say what?
This breaks my heart. These ladies were such an inspiration and such a force to beckon. I'm sorry for what happened to them. They were obviously hurt by this. This line of business sucks. It just sucks. Together they were explosive in a good way.
The phrase is "a force to be reckoned with".
they sound good as a group ALL of them can sing !
This is exactly what Monique is talking about today.
Jason Cold she said black people get the fame but not the money.
@John Edwards didn't beyonce sue her dad?
Jason Cold truth
Also I recall an interview a few years that Dawn gave to Vibe when she joined Lucy Pearl..She again mentioned that the group was not making money and she EVEN had to convince a member (she didnt say which one) of En Vouge to go on welfare and assited her with the paperwork. Botton line.....this group was not making any money and Dawn tried to address it but they didn't listen.
+Eriq7001 Welfare?! Wow! I didn't know that their pay was that bad! They were so glamorous, performing worldwide that I thought they were personally living a rich and lavish lifestyle. Wow, I don't blame Dawn for speaking out and leaving the group.
+Emma Jones Yes. There are two valid reasons why the group didn't make any money. First off they group did not right ANY of their hits. The production company (I know its two guys , one that was involved with Terry) wrote all the material for the group so they got the money from the songwriting angle. Second eventhough the contract was bogus people forget they all came from OAKLAND....That's the highest real estate market and im sure money was always an issue ...The Bay area is an expensive place to live and the four couldn't afford the lavish lifestyles they thought they should be making. PlusTerry and Cindy (at that time) were involved with men who were millionaires so i'm sure money was no issue for them.
I think the person she was talking about was Max, but it could have been Terry too. Because their pay was so bad, Terry had to tour and as a backup singer for Toni Braxton in 1999
Thanks ...Dawn didn't reveal which one of the three was on welfare and who she assisted with the paperwork..cause if she did they would probally go and say Dawn was lying. And its so easy nowadays for singers to go broke. They do not have a record contract anymore, cant afford the house or property taxes...they have 4-5 cars and the cannot get booked for high profile gigs anymore. Look at the recent Unsung about Shanice. It happened to her.
Thank you.
Oh what a shame that things didn't work out for this group as a whole!
I’m glad Max and Dawn were smart enough to know they were being screwed over financially and not put up with it
First time I heard EnVouge I was 10 or 11 and I fell in LOVE with the group.. The song "Don't Go" had me in a trance, as a kid! I don't care about all the befores but these ladies need to work their issues out. EnVouge was vocally the best female R&B groups of all time. (my opinion)
It was a very mesmerizing song, lol. Dressed in loose silk draping fabric swaying in rhythm together in the desert while Terry sang and the rest harmonized in the background, cooiing "don't go" seductively, almost like a lullaby. So sexy 🥵
Sounds like it was issues with contracts and money, not the group itself
That's what I'm thinking
Say what you want about Dawn but I applaud her for having the balls to stand up for herself. Wrong is wrong at the end of the day you have to look at yourself in the mirror
No! EnVogue is all foyr women! not two seperate acts! They need to settle their differences and get back together! Fans want the orignal line up! Maxine,Terry,Cindy an Dawn! lets go ladies!
Agreed
Dawn-the top soprano of the group and Maxine-sang the bottom in the group.
scrodeo Dawn Cindy and Terry took turns singing the top
I’m so glad they did this interview. Knowledge is power.
This is sad .... I hope the oringial group get back together and they all get the money they deserve. They're legends!!!!!! For crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!
That is what the music exec's, lawyers, managers all count on... that the talent has no clue about what they are supposed to make. You can't even trust your managers, lawyers, or accountants. So many people were victimized because they did not understand contracts and how the expenses are paid or how the profits were distributed.
For a long time, groups rarely made any kind of money on record sales or publishing rights. Most groups made their money touring and selling merchandise (unless those rights were wrestled away). I am glad to see how the internet got back at the industry and how artist can keep more of the money they earned.
I remember after Dawn left, that was a huge deal and it just seemed to us at the time that En Vogue was really over because it just wouldn't be the same without her.
I grew up listening to this incredible quartet...
wow this video was really insightful!!
thank you for posting this
They all would make GREAT solo singers!! It breaks my heart to see what happened to these beautiful and mega talented ladies. I won't give up, hoping that they will wise up, and get back together only NOT in the wicked music industry, but go independent.
I mean, this is just ridiculous for them to have gone through that as huge as they were... I agree with Dawn and Max.... Fight for what is RIGHT OR SETTLE FOR LESS THAN YOUR WORTH!
This is an example of why there aren't many or groups of today's that are not together. The entertainment business is so messy. You see more solo acts today than any.
After reviewing hours of their old concert footage, Maxine was DEFINITELY the best and most consistent in the group.
🤣🤣🤣 at least u did your research!! LMAO
Dawn, Maxine, Cindy, Terry bond together come together stay together stay strong, Stay healthy, stay united and no one come between you and your dollars. God blessed you all and let no one stand in you way. Pray and Deliver ask for wisdom ladies.
I wish groups had attorneys involved to negotiate and re-negotiate competitive contracts
All four of them are EnVogue.. And I luv all four women!
These were my favorite two members and they are STILL GORGEOUS!!!! 😫😫😫
i didn't understand why Terry did an album. She wasn't that big of a singer in the group! None of them in my opinion were. They were a group of lead singers who did better way better together than solo.
Girl, Terry SANGS!
QueenMariahCarey They all can sing..I just didn't see the solo star power in Terry out of all of them. I didn't get back then or even now why her..I just wished they got over the nonsense and got back with Foster & McElroy. I believe they have another album in them.
Yeah they were stronger together than apart. It's really sad all the way around.
not to mention it wasn't fair to scrap dawn's album because terry's failed... they always try to make dawn out to be the trouble maker cuz she stirred the pot... but in this situation she was right to...
Goddess Lee Yeah I must say ... the last few years have given me a different view of Dawn. My opinion of her is not as harsh as it once was. Like Shalamar , New Edition and a lot of R&B acts, they were doomed by virtue of how they started out. If you listen to the interview Dawn did with Lady Charmaine you really get some interesting insights. Truth be told, I see Terry and Cindy's side and I see Dawn and Maxine's side, too. Too bad they can't meet in the middle. What I wonder is, why after all these years are they STILL working with Foster and McElroy? EV3, while not a masterpiece, was a promising new direction and showed they could work with other producers. I don't understand why they never truly branched out. I think that held them back.
Looking at the new En Vogue with three members is like watching Home Alone 3 with the kid that no one even knew who he was. I’ll never rock with the current En Vogue group.
I tried. Rhona can really blow, but I don't care. I just can't.
@@valentinomiller6251 I'd love an OT5 En Vogue with the Original 4 with Rhona, heck maybe throw Amanda Cole into the mix and do an OT6 En Vogue.
OG4 nothing for me. Rhonda don't fit, jusy very bland.
@@valentinomiller6251 right! Loved her on Jamie Fox’s show and she can sing but it’s just not EnVogue with her in there
I think they all are to blame for the group"s demise because none of them had the sense to work together on a new contract.
Dawn looks like NIA LONG's Big Sister FRFR💯💯💯
Maxine Jones and Dawn Robinson...my two favorite members from En Vogue. 😍💖
I really hope they work things out as friends and as a group they're pure magic.
Something about Maxine's voice sounds like home. This interview just made me look up her bio. I never knew she was from Jersey! Now that accent makes sense. ♥️
I love EnVogue but I really don’t want to support he group if it’s not the original 4.
Rightt
Speak your truth Dawn.
this is some good behind-the-scenes information. I seem to remember that publicly they said the women wanted to concentrate on family and such. They lied.
Thanks for sharing. Sometimes interviews without an entire group present sound one-sided. I didn't feel that here at all! 👏🏽 I appreciated their tone, words, and sincerity.....and TRUTH. ✊🏽
Dawn and the other ladies were so talented I love them all. and i wish them the best
I need the them all back together as a group.....Maxine, Cindy, Dawn and Terry..... It's not the same!!!
Hate the fact that this happens to unbelievably great African American groups it's ashamed we as fans endure this each DECADE! Mabe as artists coming in it should be A film or class that should be taken so the same crap wouldn't happen over and over again.
Dawn be TELLIN' These stories!!
I have to put my 2 cents in! I love EnVogue the original 4, I have always admired every last one of them. They are hands down the best girl group ever! I think it is a real shame that they are divided. I wish these classy girls could have given us one final album. Sadly sometimes seasons end. .
EV4 forever.
In my opinion, the other members, as in the current lineup, are En Vogue. Cindy and Terry have been in the group the whole time, and never quit willy nilly. So yeah, En Vogue is the current lineup.
Maxine still got it. As gorgeous as ever. By far my favorite girl group.
Maxine has these dangerous curves I could love.
Terry, Dawn, Cindy and Maxine are En Vogue!!! They were always such a pleasure to watch these Ladies. So classy, yet funky!! The music business sucks, not the artists. I miss En Vogue!
Terry’s album very much so did work. I loved her single”wherever you are but I also love Envouge as a group
It didn’t gooo no where tho lol
she hit it on the dart in the end "CONFLICT OF INTEREST"
I'm so glad they explained what was happening. Now I understand what happened. I only wish they would have tried harder to all stand up for Re-Negotiations.
This is what happens when you mix business with pleasure…I thought the original EnVogue was extraordinary!
I am glad to hear this interview with Maxine and Dawn.
They are shedding light to what actually happened.
I’ve always heard that Terry was going w/one of the producers and that may be what ruined the group too.
Of course Cindy sided with Terry and I think that was a conflict.
It was said Dawn was the problem when she wasn’t.
If all of the women worked together they most likely would have gotten the best deal where everyone was happy.
Truly talented singers.
Too bad.
I hope someday they can all come to a mutual agreement and settle financially so they can make what they deserve.
I love en vogue. Its so sad to hear of the injustices behind the scenes.
That terry and Cindy have the name because they are keeping things the same... but they won’t be anything with out dawn and Maxine
They were not getting paid what they were worth. Dawn stood up for that. And I think Maxine also. The other two ladies seemed to not feel so strongly about getting paid more. That is too bad.
Like Maxine added...she knew that but she wanted the group to work. That was more or less her only source of income.
The Best female group of all time is Cindy, Terry, Maxine and Dawn of EnVogue.
Man, quash all that BS and BRING IT BACK to us.
I'm glad Dawn has stood her ground for all these years. It's great to see women in general, but especially Black women who know their worth and won't compromise.
Hope Dawn and Maxine are still performing
Daniel Hawkins, they are, as The Funky Divas. My wife and I saw them last December.
I miss them as a black female inspiring group..when Dawn left, I lost interest
It's sad when music groups start having issues, one way or the other.
I love the overall "En Vogue" sound.
I don't know if all the members have big personalities, but they play it off well.
Dawn was the group
Similar story to TLC with LA Reid, NSYNC and Backstreet Boys with Lou Perlman, and Berry Gordy with EVERYONE--except Smokey Robinson (who helped build the company and one of their top songwriters), Diana Ross (his mistress), Marvin Gaye (who was married to his sister), and Jermaine Jackson (who was married to his daughter).
I don't blame them,and applaud sweet beautiful Dawn for her courage, and Maxine too💎💎😘😘
There's three sides to every story we have side A, Side B, and of course the truth. With what Dawn is saying, there has to be some truth to it and I agree with her on this situation. For them to be one of the top groups of the 90's and being paid couch change is ridiculous. Dawn tried to rally the other girls to renogotiate the contracts cause if it was just her alone, it would seem like she's been greedy & selfish, but that's not the case. They are stronger when they stand together.
Singer to singers...just because "you" were the ones "out front" does not mean that you were the ones "DOING ALL THE WORK" as Dawn explained so eloquently! #1, they came from an era where you not only had to sing very well and look incredible...YOU HAD TO HAVE EXCELLENT SONGWRITING AND SUPERB PRODUCTION! IF THE LADIES THEMSELVES WEREN'T WRITING AND/OR PRODUCING THEY WERE NOT "DOING ALL THE WORK"! Performers often time get mixed up when they fail to understand what is "REALLY" taking place in the music industry. It was their responsibility to get their own attorney to educate themselves as to what they were getting themselves into BEFORE they signed the very FIRST DEAL with Foster and McElroy...but they didn't apparently and if they did and still signed the first deal then they have even less to complain about. Secondly, if the entity you signed your initial contract with doesn't want to negotiate a new contract while the original one is still intact they are not obligated to do so! As a matter to fact as per the contract the artist IS OBLIGATED to perform according to the original contract. I loved these women as a group however if Foster and McElroy had not put this group together of their own volition we would have never ever known who Terri, Dawn, Max, and Cindy were. They had an opportunity that wasn't afforded to other women whose talent level was immensely greater than theirs and due to maintaining wrong perspective on the situation they missed a golden opportunity to be even greater than they had become...which was quite great.
Sadly group didn’t have a plan, must tread carefully when fighting with powerful machine like record company, that can make or break you with snap of finger.. true, their label contract afforded each member a solo option, but like any employer’s job description for hired employee your primary job duties can be interrupted, changed whenever they choose, such as with record label manager (Sylvia R.) who has authority to do just that.. apparently doing what was in best interest of the record company and where her loyalty and duty lie… wish Dawn would have humbly cooperated.. old saying “be a team player” for greater🧐 and with an exit plan in place while abiding her time.. also giving herself greater exposure to really shine, she was already a up and coming starlet, the spotlight was on her, taking her stage singing artistry to even greater heights, an unstoppable force in often times ruthless business.. but like a fresh fish out of hot water opportunities did come, but short live and 25 years later sadly never materialized.. God forgives, why can’t they! best wishes for return Triumphant EV reunion, don’t let the adversary disrupt, ALL six and no exclusions PLEASE (Cindy, Maxine, Dawn, Terri, Amanda, Rhona) they are En Vogue no matter the contribution “together we stand, divided we fall” “Not my will, but Gods will” (11/2022) ✝️💙🎙m.th-cam.com/video/h0OtnFocBbE/w-d-xo.html
Reminds me of Jill Marie Jones with “Girlfriends”
To me "En Vogue" was terrific and their dance moves were wonderful. Hope to see them again