This series did the evil superman trope before it became more common but it is still great. Injustice to me at the time felt like a successor to the Justice Lords plot in the OG Justice League show. Superman and especially Wonder Woman are so hatefilled that they're unrecognizable and the story is so engaging
I wouldn’t call it a trope. Some hacky article did but there’s literally like four stories across three mediums where that story is used. That doesn’t constitute a trope. It’s unique to that universe and maybe one other, where that THEME is similar but explored in a different way. Idk why but the misuse of that word irks me.
i have read the comics for injustice and superman's fall wasn't sudden or instant. it was slow and gradual. like at points, he was still superman but he started to do more harsher shit. at one point, alfred kind of warns superman not to go too far. clark leaves the batcave and passes by alfred. alfred says "good day, master clark". clark tells him jokingly that it's just clark, not master. alfred looks at him and says "yes. i hope you remember that." alfred served as the line. the last stop before superman's fall. because if alfred pennyworth has lost faith in you, you are truly lost.
And then he hired someone to kill Alfred, really showed how much he changed from that scene in the batcave to him threatening Alfred for the whereabouts of the Insurgency
Yyyeah but still.... Supermans source of humanity is without a doubt his Parents, the El's and the Kent's. And as long as there isnt a drasticall change in this Backstory, you cant convince me that Sups would just kill a Child at one Point and move on.
One thing I do kind of hate about Injustice is that It further popularised the notion of an evil Superman which by now has been done to death and will continue to be overdone in the future. I'm at a point where I just want real pure and hopeful Superman. The reason Superman as a character works and why he is undeniably essential to the world of comics is because he represents the hope and goodness within all of us. He is an emotionally healthy hero and one who will never give up on us.
Alfred should've been a playable character in Injustice 2 IMO. Especially after the comic gave us a scene where he took the superhuman pill and he briefly fought Superman.
@@ahkafkhan4512 I dunno, but Alfred has a military background, so I'd imagine they would take a look at whatever military training Britain's military gets, maybe mix in some gunplay and super strength, and call it a day. Even if it isn't all that great, seeing a dapper British butler f*ck up people like Superman or Lex Luther (in his giant mech suit) would be a surreal enough experience that it would be worth it.
I don't think it was just the death of Lois that turned him to madness. It was the fact that he was manipulated to do it himself and kill his unborn child along with 11 million other people (many of which were also children). He just could not cope with the guilt at all and the fact that almost nobody helped him grieve properly (Batman especially) is what turned him to try to take back control of his life in such a drastic manner. The Joker's plan was just too cruel and too perfect to take down Superman.
@@theoutsiderjess1869 And that's the worst part. Wonder Woman was so desperate to get together with Clark that she clearly enabled all of his worst impulses and pushed him further to the dark side.
@@ChrisLawton66 Well, it is an alternate universe and they did try to explain her murderous backstory in Injustice 2 so it's not a total leap that she would be like that.
What I will say is that joker was a in the moment kill. I read the first volume of the comics. The first thing Clark does after losing Lois and metropolis is go to the interrogation room to kill the joker.
I understand what you mean about Superman's humanity and how it should not only be tied to Lois. However, since it was all the Joker's doing, I see it a lot more about Superman having 'one bad day' and, as you remind us all at the end of all of your videos, 'you know what they say about having one bad day'.
There's also the fact that it was a gradual decline. The whole story in comic spans five years before the first game, and there's a lot of slow, gradual evil done in the name of good. Even then, the story ultimately isn't about how Superman is wrong for killing, it's about how friends should support each other in their darkest times.
I think the comics do a world of good for context. Like for instance superman turning evil isn't as instant and I personally like how Harley was done in them
If you want an interesting subversion of the Harley/Joker relationship try the Telltale batman games (the second part specifically) Harley is the dominant abuser in the relationship and it actually creates an interesting Joker who both befriends and in his eyes is betrayed by Bruce Wayne, the other interesting aspect of this game being it focuses more on the person beneath the Cowl.
The game gets better if you read the comics. With the comic, the game’s story is the culmination of the 5 year story for these characters and Batman’s desperate last attempt to defeat Superman
This series made me love superman even more. Seeing the evil version of him voiced by George the man himself made me realize just how great of a character Clark is because it's thanks to the friends around him (even batman as edgy as he is) and his iron will to remain optimistic in spite of the pessimism around him that he stands out as the hero we all aspire to be. So seeing an evil version of him who decided to stoop to pessimism and become a tyrant get beat down by the real hero, it's amazing (I should also point out superman feels like he'd be sad if Lois died, yes. But he wouldn't go evil. Not even the Justice Lord version would though he already did go rogue. This regime superman on the other hand and all other depictions after the fact? Oh they totally would lose it. Superman would be disappointed)
It's not him losing Lois. Its him KILLING Lois and his child. It's him destroying the city he swore to protect. It's not Lois, it's Lois, his child, AND his city all gone because he personally did it.
I usually don’t give “What if Superman was evil?” stories much credit because it seems lazy. But I was pleased with the way it slowly happened in Injustice.
In defense of the depiction of Evil Superman, at least in the DCEU, that version of Superman might've gone rouge from the death of Lois, but that was only because the immense grief of losing her made him venerable to Darksied's anti-life equation. Truly if there is anyone that ties Superman to humanity in that universe, it's his mother, as when she is threatened by both Zod and Lex, Superman gets really pissed and loses it, with Lois, he certainly is upset when Lex throws her off a building, but he doesn't lose control of the situation until his mother is mentioned.
I think it's less the death of Lois that broke him and more how she died. He was tricked and manipulated into killing both her and their unborn baby in a brutal way. Her blood is on his hands, and then all of Metropolis is nuked because of her death. He becomes responsible for so many deaths in an instant and it destroys him. In a fit of rage, he kills the Joker for revenge, and then gets a taste of it. He see's Joker in every criminal, he sees the potential of another tragedy in every villain, and he sees the ghosts of all the people that died that day and vows to never allow anyone to do anything like Joker did ever again. Like Joker said, all it can take is one bad day. And Lois's death and subsequent destruction of Metropolis was a very bad day
You couldn’t be more wrong about comparing this superman to Cavill’s. It’s been stated repeatedly that losing Lous in that universe just makes him vulnerable to the anti-life equation. Losing her doesn’t make him snap and go evil, but in his grief Darkseid is able to get to him.
It wasn’t just Lois and the baby’s deaths that broke Superman. It was also the nuke that went off in Metropolis that killed pretty much everyone in the city plus a lot of heroes who tried to help. Pretty much everyone Superman was close with, excluding Ma and Pa Kent, is dead due to Superman’s actions and the few people he had left weren’t there for him when he needed them most. It wasn’t as simple as “Lois dead, Superman not connected with humanity anymore.” It’s a story about a man filled with so much grief and resentment that he has tunnel vision. He’s refusing to acknowledge the fact that he was partially responsible for the deaths of those he loved, and when other heroes start to agree with him it only pushes him further down the rabbit hole. He may be good at heart but when 5 out of the 6 other JL members agree that things have to change it makes it easier to wave away any doubts he would have.
An injustice anywhere is an injustice! and I'm so happy you covered this. It's one of my favourite stories of the DC ever and Injustice 2 for me is even better, due to its main focus on the elseworld. Can't wait to see what you have to say about it.
I just gotten back into the Injustice franchise a month or so ago and you basically described everything of what I feel for the series. You made a amazing summary video!
Many games comic stories are weird or simply bad. But injustice is just amazing. This evil superman element was done the best, I mean superman wasnt really evil, he was just misguided and showed that what would happen if superman doesnt hold back. The civil wars between superman and batman is the best. And im kinda on superman's side. He's better than most of our politicians and wants peace and will do anything necessary to eliminate evil from the world. I love this superman even more than the normal superman.
Injustice is both the Reason why I Became a Mortal Kombat and Fighting Game Fan and Learn other DC Characters as a Whole,My Main Issues are how this Concept misguided the Evil Superman Troupe but aside from that Love this Story and Please do Injustice 2.
9:34 - ah ah. You have to remember, that it wasn't just Lois who died ok that day, but also their unborn child. His own flesh and blood, the next generation of Krypton on Earth... That would make any man gone crazy. Even with all thr power in the world deep inside Clark was a good person. And you know what they say "Fear the wrath of good and gentle person"
An injustice anywhere is an injustice: I love the story without ever playing the game, I had friends that were big into the game and raved about the story so I read the comics. I was wowed about how many twists and turns the storytelling took
I love the Injustice story and the comics it’s just so well written to me and plus all the deaths feel so pivotal to a depressing point. Injustice really would’ve made a phenomenal dark animated series if they did properly this time
The way I see it Wonder Woman is the true villain of Injustice. Superman may be the center figure of the Regime, but Diana was the one who pushed him to that point. I also believe the idea of Lois being what tethers Clark to humanity is both ingenious and also a bit strange. I think it worked best in Smallville where Clark still strived to do the right thing for humanity, but it wasn't until he saw Lois return in S9 that he was willing to return to society. Also, I believe that Clark's turn to the dark side was a progression that started off as a broken man trying to admittedly mold the world into a better one, into a sociopath hellbent on subjecting the world to his delusional values. All this was present because Clark's only source of comfort was Diana and the Regime League members. The Kent's and of course Batman didn't serve as a source of comfort for him. Batman focused too much on the idea of what Clark stood for rather than reaching out to the man and empathizing with him. I believe this due to the comics and how Clark was on a slippery slope, but didn't turn into the asshole he was in IGAU until maybe year 3 of the comic.
1. An injustice anywhere is an injustice (everywhere). 2. You know, DCAU Superman wasn't a boy scout, either. 3. What is your favorite Tara Strong performance?
On the technical level theres a comic that serves as an injustice 3 i ssy technically because its basically just a noncanon crossover with another company’s characters however it does continue the story and even give it a definitive happy ending.
I also realy hate that "When Lois dies, Superman goes rogue" Idea. I mean in basically in every Version of the Character the Source for his humanity comes from his Parents. The El's literally gave their Lives to give him a opportunity to live and the Kent's showed him unconditional love and teached him Moral and Ethics. Im convinced that when you want to write an evil Superman , you have to drastically change his Backstory.
I really do love this game. I hate the status quo it, and gave of “just have an evil superman, who lost Lois”. The thing they always seem to miss about. It is that in injustice, it wasn’t the fact that she died, and it wasn’t even the fact that he lost his unborn child with her, it’s a fact that superman killed his family along with thousands of innocent bystanders well under the joker’s manipulation. That’s the thing people who emulate the story tend to mess. I also have to say, I like the idea that in the world were Superman is the villain, Lex Luther will be a hero. It’s kind of interesting to think that in almost every world their enemies, regardless of who is good and evil. Although I do think injustice two did some things better than this game, especially when it came to its characterization of Superman, this game overall is the best justice league game we’ve had to date
Im surprised you haven't talked about the comics because to me they are far superior to the game in terms of storytelling and added some much needed context which makes the game so much more enjoyable
Losing his son AND wife by his own hands is reasonable character arc. It’s not a poor choice at all. Superman was used to destroy his own family and home town. It’s more then just Louis. Why would he be subtle about the change when he was made the villain of murdering his own family.
I love your content man. Watched pretty much everything. More than anything I'm a DC fan. But I'm hoping one day you make a handful of videos about Spawn. That story is right up your alley and I'd love to hear some of your content on the subject. 😊
I'd love to see video coverage on everything pertaining to the injustice series tbh but if the comics would be a lot for that understandable. I just always enjoy getting immersed in everything these small chunks of distinct continuity have to offer. Even if there's some dips or inconsistency here and there.
I've been have been watching your show for 6 years, anytime you come up with new episode it's been getting better each day each week and each month" and I'm saying bring on the another episode about Injustice 2 I am psyched to see that and more Batman and Superman reviews!, keep up the good work!. Vee Infuse #sign I am Vengeance I am the night
The only thing I really dislike about the Injustice is how different some of the characters behave. Like the characterisation is very different to the canon verse. Ik it's an elseworld but just smtg that bothers me. Other than that I actually agree with the title.
Superman: "You weren't the gun!" In Batman's mind (at least, in some incarnations), this statement is wrong on its face. Something that both the film Batman Begins and the series Harley Quinn got astonishingly correct about Batman's origin story: in those stories, young Bruce (realistically!) feels a measure of guilt for his parents' demise, either because it was his decision to take the shortcut down Crime Alley (in Harley Quinn; he was a dumb kid, we can excuse his decision for that, though why would his parents agree?), or because it was he wanted to leave the opera early (in Batman Begins). In Batman Begins, he learns to get over that guilt; in Harley Quinn he doesn't, and it colors the kind of Batman he becomes many years later (in stupid, stupid ways, but I blame the writers for that). In general, I think young Bruce - in any incarnation - may realistically have some measure of survivor's guilt, and he may feel some measure of "they wouldn't have died if I didn't want to see 'Zorro' so badly that night." In that case, Bruce may grow into a Batman who feels like that maybe he wasn't the gun, but that he may have been a contributing factor.
I love this story so much. Just sucks the animated movie was the drizzling shits. BTW Vee yes do the follow up talking about the 2nd game! I hope they continue and do another game because they have the content in the comics to pull from!
In regard to Raven’s voice, I don’t think that was Tara Strong at all. I’m almost certain it was actually Lani Minella and they just miscredited Raven’s VA for some reason. Lani Minella also voiced Sindel and Sheeva in Mortal Kombat 9 and voices Ivy Valentine in the SoulCalibur series with basically the same voice as Injustice Raven.
An Injustice Anywhere... is an injustice Now as for Superman's turn to the darkside, it wasn't a sudden event. The companion comic actually dives into that, it was by no means slow, but I wouldn't call it sudden. It was a gradual shift, starting with Superman taking a more proactive approach, being met with resistance, then replying with even more force. Rinse and repeat for a few years, a few caped heroes, and a few regime changes, and then we get Injustice: Gods Among Us.
This is a great video Vee , I also really like comic book discussion and videos similar to this . It would be really awesome to see you make a series on some of your favorite comic story line / arcs / or moments in the future . Cheers
Reading these comic, it wasn't the death if Lois Lane and Metropolis that led to Superman becoming evil, but the way he was abandoned and antagonized by his best surviving friend - Batman - during his time of mourning. Then manipulated by Wonder Woman and Sinestro to become worse.
It doesn't pay to be a Robin in the Injustice though. I'm still sad and upset that they killed Tim and Dick in the comics. Tim gets out of the Phantom Zone and Batman and Robin are united and then Lazer eyes through the chest and I was so upset 😡 and sad 😔 when that happened and DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON DICK'S DEATH!
Lois isn't what just made him snap. Yes, it started his descent but he didn't just suddenly decide he was a dictator. It actually motivated him similar to batman, he wanted to enforce peace so nothing like that could happen again. He first tried to stop global wars, which lead to the United States kidnapping his parents. Then Atlantis attacked him. Then batman turned against him. He was being attacked by the people he'd come to love and trust, and as Superman became more and more afraid of being vulnerable again, he became more drastic. Justifying greater measures such as murdering an entire army to save the Earth. Lois wasn't his anchor to Earth, but she losing her to his own hand was the catalyst that lead to him being afraid. And that fear is what slowly led up to the Superman we got. His parents are even in the story actually, and they try to talk sense to him. You see the fear of losing someone in that moment too, green arrow shoots him in the shoulder but it bounces off him cause he's... Superman... And hits his dad in the shoulder, which makes him go berserk. And his parents along with his actual father are ashamed. Those teachings he had are still there at his core, but he's warped them into something else, believing himself to still be good. He even has occasionally good moments, such as when Montoya tries to fight him and he refuses to hurt her because of her heart about to give out, the way he treats his team in the beginning. All of this is to say, he didn't just suddenly flip a switch and it wasn't just Lois that turned him into what he was, but her loss greatly altered how he reacted to other tragedies in the story, of which there are several. Sorry for the super long comment but injustice is a very interesting story to me so talking about it is fun.
Billy trying to say shazam before superman freezes his mouth so that he can turn back into a kid in hopes that superman wont kill him in his child form is just the saddest thing ever😔😔
In the movie I think they changed it so he feels bad about it and gives up at the end. The second game and the comic doubled down I think and he just always stayed evil even after getting overthrown and shit. Kind of a nod to both Hercules and kratos from god of war. Both went through the same thing as Superman, one went and did twelve labors to repent and get forgiveness for his actions, one went on a murder spree about it. So, I guess in a way they did both with the changes in the movie, even if I personally thought the movie sucked and was almost as disappointed as when I saw the killing joke movie do what it did. But that’s a whole different thing, good vid bro appreciated your perspective on it
Of course the day I'm uploading a criticism video on injustice 2(referencing your Injusticeovie review), you make a video on injustice aswell😂 Great video though Vee!
In my opinion, NRS games since MK9 doesn't need any movie or cartoon adaptation. Because, it already IS a movie and a game in one. Like, they has all of the cutscenes that explains everything, and awsome gameplay for player to enjoy. So, if you want a Injustice movie, then just watch Injustice 1 and 2 cutscenes and that would be more than enough to have a good injustice movie.
Ok so it isn't JUST Lois AND THEYR UNBORN CHILD, it's the ENTIRE METROPOLIS....What is amazing here is that it shows nobody is perfect, how The Killing Joke says "all it takes is one bad day" !! Also as per comics this change did not happen immediatley, but they couldn't spread it too much on the games as it would slow the pace and that's not why most are into fighting games !!!
Agreed. I actually like it even more than "Kingdom Come". Honestly, though? I feel like if it was only a comic series, and didn't have those superb games (not to mention the superb voice cast!) to serve as most peoples' introduction to the story, it may not have done so well... and I may not have been such a big fan. As it stands, I am a huge fan of both games, the main comic series, and even the side story "Injustice vs. Masters of the Universe"! The animated movie adaptation was abhorrent. "An injustice anywhere, is an INJUSTICE!"
I have an idea that she became good for revenge on superman for killing joker not for good but for vengeance so when the earth 1 joker comes she goes back to bad because with joker back she won't need vengeance.
Did you read the comics? I'm just curious cuz there's more to Harley Quinn character and they even made bonus comic when the game come out about Harley Quinn
Every other DC Project after Injustice 1 includes an Evil Superman but just misses the point as to why Evil Superman worked in Injustice 1. The first Injustice game was essentially Crisis On Two Earths but as a video game. Some of the DC characters enters a world where the Justice League is evil and there’s a rebellion stopping them. The only difference is that the Evil Justice League in the game was an alternate Superman’s Regime Empire, while the rebellion was an alternate Batman’s Insurgency. And it’s up to the DC Heroes from the main universe to stop the Regime and save the Alternate Universe. Not counting the tie-in comics (Which sucks, although it still explains how Regime Superman’s the way he is), but in the Injustice 1 video game, Regime Superman basically a mix between Justice Lords Superman and the Brave New Metropolis Superman. Like BRM Supes, he lost his Lois Lane and became a grief stricken killer. And like Justice Lords Superman, Regime Superman became a dictator and tried to make sure everyone’s safe, only to make things worse in the process. Unfortunately, every other Evil Superman in later DC Projects just include an Evil Superman because why not, and explore him that much.
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Superman telling Batman “you weren’t the gun!” hits so hard
Those were bars!
This series did the evil superman trope before it became more common but it is still great. Injustice to me at the time felt like a successor to the Justice Lords plot in the OG Justice League show. Superman and especially Wonder Woman are so hatefilled that they're unrecognizable and the story is so engaging
It did it the best but unfortunately it’s also what made it popular
Injustice Wonder Woman admired Nazi Germany. That's all you need to know.
no its fucking did not read books nigga
I wouldn’t call it a trope. Some hacky article did but there’s literally like four stories across three mediums where that story is used. That doesn’t constitute a trope. It’s unique to that universe and maybe one other, where that THEME is similar but explored in a different way. Idk why but the misuse of that word irks me.
@darthsotoman, Justice Lord Superman just entered the chat...
"If Jor El had been more like Zod, he might have save Krypton. And I will save the Earth" - Superman to Supergirl
i have read the comics for injustice and superman's fall wasn't sudden or instant. it was slow and gradual. like at points, he was still superman but he started to do more harsher shit. at one point, alfred kind of warns superman not to go too far. clark leaves the batcave and passes by alfred. alfred says "good day, master clark". clark tells him jokingly that it's just clark, not master. alfred looks at him and says "yes. i hope you remember that."
alfred served as the line. the last stop before superman's fall. because if alfred pennyworth has lost faith in you, you are truly lost.
Thank you
And then he hired someone to kill Alfred, really showed how much he changed from that scene in the batcave to him threatening Alfred for the whereabouts of the Insurgency
Yyyeah but still.... Supermans source of humanity is without a doubt his Parents, the El's and the Kent's. And as long as there isnt a drasticall change in this Backstory, you cant convince me that Sups would just kill a Child at one Point and move on.
I wrote a script for a mini series based on the Injustice Story. (games and comics, mostly comics)
Would you be interested in looking it over?
One thing I do kind of hate about Injustice is that It further popularised the notion of an evil Superman which by now has been done to death and will continue to be overdone in the future. I'm at a point where I just want real pure and hopeful Superman. The reason Superman as a character works and why he is undeniably essential to the world of comics is because he represents the hope and goodness within all of us. He is an emotionally healthy hero and one who will never give up on us.
Agreed
Why...yes. Yes, exactly.
@@andrewcurlutu6422 You seem surprised.
This isn’t the fault of injustice
@@SoyboyPeter Not entirely, but certainly didn't help either.
The voice cast in the game is god tier. The really made the story and characterizations felt authentic.
Alfred should've been a playable character in Injustice 2 IMO. Especially after the comic gave us a scene where he took the superhuman pill and he briefly fought Superman.
how would his moveset even work tho LMAO
@@ahkafkhan4512 I dunno, but Alfred has a military background, so I'd imagine they would take a look at whatever military training Britain's military gets, maybe mix in some gunplay and super strength, and call it a day. Even if it isn't all that great, seeing a dapper British butler f*ck up people like Superman or Lex Luther (in his giant mech suit) would be a surreal enough experience that it would be worth it.
I don't think it was just the death of Lois that turned him to madness. It was the fact that he was manipulated to do it himself and kill his unborn child along with 11 million other people (many of which were also children). He just could not cope with the guilt at all and the fact that almost nobody helped him grieve properly (Batman especially) is what turned him to try to take back control of his life in such a drastic manner. The Joker's plan was just too cruel and too perfect to take down Superman.
Joker broke him and Wonder Woman enabled and manipulated him to continue to be evil
@@theoutsiderjess1869 And that's the worst part. Wonder Woman was so desperate to get together with Clark that she clearly enabled all of his worst impulses and pushed him further to the dark side.
@@l.m.a.9861 which is just outrageously out of character for her. That leap of characterization is what made this story go nowhere for me.
@@ChrisLawton66 Well, it is an alternate universe and they did try to explain her murderous backstory in Injustice 2 so it's not a total leap that she would be like that.
What I will say is that joker was a in the moment kill. I read the first volume of the comics. The first thing Clark does after losing Lois and metropolis is go to the interrogation room to kill the joker.
I understand what you mean about Superman's humanity and how it should not only be tied to Lois. However, since it was all the Joker's doing, I see it a lot more about Superman having 'one bad day' and, as you remind us all at the end of all of your videos, 'you know what they say about having one bad day'.
There's also the fact that it was a gradual decline. The whole story in comic spans five years before the first game, and there's a lot of slow, gradual evil done in the name of good. Even then, the story ultimately isn't about how Superman is wrong for killing, it's about how friends should support each other in their darkest times.
I think the comics do a world of good for context. Like for instance superman turning evil isn't as instant and I personally like how Harley was done in them
If you want an interesting subversion of the Harley/Joker relationship try the Telltale batman games (the second part specifically) Harley is the dominant abuser in the relationship and it actually creates an interesting Joker who both befriends and in his eyes is betrayed by Bruce Wayne, the other interesting aspect of this game being it focuses more on the person beneath the Cowl.
“allegedly” he only gets betrayed by Bruce in the Villain path. In the Vigilante path he starts to go nuts.
"In my years fighting crime, I've learned one truth... That every villain is the hero of his own story."
- Bruce Wayne in Injustice 2
The game gets better if you read the comics. With the comic, the game’s story is the culmination of the 5 year story for these characters and Batman’s desperate last attempt to defeat Superman
This series made me love superman even more. Seeing the evil version of him voiced by George the man himself made me realize just how great of a character Clark is because it's thanks to the friends around him (even batman as edgy as he is) and his iron will to remain optimistic in spite of the pessimism around him that he stands out as the hero we all aspire to be.
So seeing an evil version of him who decided to stoop to pessimism and become a tyrant get beat down by the real hero, it's amazing
(I should also point out superman feels like he'd be sad if Lois died, yes. But he wouldn't go evil. Not even the Justice Lord version would though he already did go rogue. This regime superman on the other hand and all other depictions after the fact? Oh they totally would lose it. Superman would be disappointed)
It's not him losing Lois. Its him KILLING Lois and his child. It's him destroying the city he swore to protect. It's not Lois, it's Lois, his child, AND his city all gone because he personally did it.
Injustice is still a classic that is now 10 years old already. With a strong story and fun gameplay what more could you want.
I usually don’t give “What if Superman was evil?” stories much credit because it seems lazy. But I was pleased with the way it slowly happened in Injustice.
Something I do find interesting about Injustice is the idea that Diana is the true villain coaxing Superman into becoming a more brutal person.
I thought that when I saw the game and read the comic
In defense of the depiction of Evil Superman, at least in the DCEU, that version of Superman might've gone rouge from the death of Lois, but that was only because the immense grief of losing her made him venerable to Darksied's anti-life equation. Truly if there is anyone that ties Superman to humanity in that universe, it's his mother, as when she is threatened by both Zod and Lex, Superman gets really pissed and loses it, with Lois, he certainly is upset when Lex throws her off a building, but he doesn't lose control of the situation until his mother is mentioned.
I think it's less the death of Lois that broke him and more how she died. He was tricked and manipulated into killing both her and their unborn baby in a brutal way. Her blood is on his hands, and then all of Metropolis is nuked because of her death. He becomes responsible for so many deaths in an instant and it destroys him. In a fit of rage, he kills the Joker for revenge, and then gets a taste of it. He see's Joker in every criminal, he sees the potential of another tragedy in every villain, and he sees the ghosts of all the people that died that day and vows to never allow anyone to do anything like Joker did ever again.
Like Joker said, all it can take is one bad day. And Lois's death and subsequent destruction of Metropolis was a very bad day
You couldn’t be more wrong about comparing this superman to Cavill’s. It’s been stated repeatedly that losing Lous in that universe just makes him vulnerable to the anti-life equation. Losing her doesn’t make him snap and go evil, but in his grief Darkseid is able to get to him.
It wasn’t just Lois and the baby’s deaths that broke Superman. It was also the nuke that went off in Metropolis that killed pretty much everyone in the city plus a lot of heroes who tried to help. Pretty much everyone Superman was close with, excluding Ma and Pa Kent, is dead due to Superman’s actions and the few people he had left weren’t there for him when he needed them most. It wasn’t as simple as “Lois dead, Superman not connected with humanity anymore.” It’s a story about a man filled with so much grief and resentment that he has tunnel vision. He’s refusing to acknowledge the fact that he was partially responsible for the deaths of those he loved, and when other heroes start to agree with him it only pushes him further down the rabbit hole. He may be good at heart but when 5 out of the 6 other JL members agree that things have to change it makes it easier to wave away any doubts he would have.
An injustice anywhere is an injustice! and I'm so happy you covered this. It's one of my favourite stories of the DC ever and Injustice 2 for me is even better, due to its main focus on the elseworld. Can't wait to see what you have to say about it.
Injustice is tied in the top spot of Elseworlds stories for me with DC’a Bombshells series - love them both and can’t choose my fave!
I just gotten back into the Injustice franchise a month or so ago and you basically described everything of what I feel for the series. You made a amazing summary video!
Many games comic stories are weird or simply bad. But injustice is just amazing. This evil superman element was done the best, I mean superman wasnt really evil, he was just misguided and showed that what would happen if superman doesnt hold back. The civil wars between superman and batman is the best. And im kinda on superman's side. He's better than most of our politicians and wants peace and will do anything necessary to eliminate evil from the world. I love this superman even more than the normal superman.
Injustice is both the Reason why I Became a Mortal Kombat and Fighting Game Fan and Learn other DC Characters as a Whole,My Main Issues are how this Concept misguided the Evil Superman Troupe but aside from that Love this Story and Please do Injustice 2.
9:34 - ah ah. You have to remember, that it wasn't just Lois who died ok that day, but also their unborn child. His own flesh and blood, the next generation of Krypton on Earth... That would make any man gone crazy.
Even with all thr power in the world deep inside Clark was a good person. And you know what they say "Fear the wrath of good and gentle person"
An injustice anywhere is an injustice:
I love the story without ever playing the game, I had friends that were big into the game and raved about the story so I read the comics. I was wowed about how many twists and turns the storytelling took
I love the Injustice story and the comics it’s just so well written to me and plus all the deaths feel so pivotal to a depressing point. Injustice really would’ve made a phenomenal dark animated series if they did properly this time
The way I see it Wonder Woman is the true villain of Injustice. Superman may be the center figure of the Regime, but Diana was the one who pushed him to that point. I also believe the idea of Lois being what tethers Clark to humanity is both ingenious and also a bit strange. I think it worked best in Smallville where Clark still strived to do the right thing for humanity, but it wasn't until he saw Lois return in S9 that he was willing to return to society.
Also, I believe that Clark's turn to the dark side was a progression that started off as a broken man trying to admittedly mold the world into a better one, into a sociopath hellbent on subjecting the world to his delusional values. All this was present because Clark's only source of comfort was Diana and the Regime League members. The Kent's and of course Batman didn't serve as a source of comfort for him. Batman focused too much on the idea of what Clark stood for rather than reaching out to the man and empathizing with him. I believe this due to the comics and how Clark was on a slippery slope, but didn't turn into the asshole he was in IGAU until maybe year 3 of the comic.
The comics showing the 5 years before shows a lot and does a lot in making the games story even better
Wonder Woman also feels like ths villain of the injustice series with the way she enables Superman who was grieving his wife
Definitely want to see and hear your take on injustice 2!
1. An injustice anywhere is an injustice (everywhere).
2. You know, DCAU Superman wasn't a boy scout, either.
3. What is your favorite Tara Strong performance?
I’m still surprised to this day, that they have not announced an Injustice 3 yet.
On the technical level theres a comic that serves as an injustice 3
i ssy technically because its basically just a noncanon crossover with another company’s characters
however it does continue the story and even give it a definitive happy ending.
I also realy hate that "When Lois dies, Superman goes rogue" Idea.
I mean in basically in every Version of the Character the Source for his humanity comes from his Parents.
The El's literally gave their Lives to give him a opportunity to live and the Kent's showed him unconditional love and teached him Moral and Ethics.
Im convinced that when you want to write an evil Superman , you have to drastically change his Backstory.
I really do love this game.
I hate the status quo it, and gave of “just have an evil superman, who lost Lois”. The thing they always seem to miss about. It is that in injustice, it wasn’t the fact that she died, and it wasn’t even the fact that he lost his unborn child with her, it’s a fact that superman killed his family along with thousands of innocent bystanders well under the joker’s manipulation. That’s the thing people who emulate the story tend to mess.
I also have to say, I like the idea that in the world were Superman is the villain, Lex Luther will be a hero. It’s kind of interesting to think that in almost every world their enemies, regardless of who is good and evil.
Although I do think injustice two did some things better than this game, especially when it came to its characterization of Superman, this game overall is the best justice league game we’ve had to date
I think it makes sense that Harley aligned against the Alternate Superman because he killed the Joker
Im surprised you haven't talked about the comics because to me they are far superior to the game in terms of storytelling and added some much needed context which makes the game so much more enjoyable
Because he doesnt read the comics. This guy is a Batman fan in media only
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no he definitely mentions the comics in his videos
he once said that hed start reviewing comics when he felt he was qualified
"There is far and there is too far"
"Who are to judge me!?"
"You gone far enough Superman!"
- Red Hood to Superman. Injustice 2.
Losing his son AND wife by his own hands is reasonable character arc. It’s not a poor choice at all. Superman was used to destroy his own family and home town.
It’s more then just Louis. Why would he be subtle about the change when he was made the villain of murdering his own family.
"An injustice anywhere...is an injustice !!!" Stay awesome captain V.
I really hope we get injustice 3
And I hope the current cretins at DC don't screw it up. Their performance of late does NOT inspire confidence.
A fantastic Elseworlds but it unfortunately started the evil Superman trend for the next decade
an injustice anywhere is an injustice
I love your content man. Watched pretty much everything. More than anything I'm a DC fan. But I'm hoping one day you make a handful of videos about Spawn. That story is right up your alley and I'd love to hear some of your content on the subject. 😊
Great breakdown!! It would be cool to see you do Injustice 2!!
I wasn't crazy about the injustice animated adaptation when I first watched it but over time I've realized it has high re-watch value.
Deathstroke was my favorite part of it. It was SOS ad he didn't return for the second game. Definitely talk about #2
I'd love to see video coverage on everything pertaining to the injustice series tbh but if the comics would be a lot for that understandable.
I just always enjoy getting immersed in everything these small chunks of distinct continuity have to offer. Even if there's some dips or inconsistency here and there.
7:01 lol their faces, i imagine nostalagia critic saying in his batvoice "OH MY GOD"
An injustice anywhere is an injustice. I would also love to see you cover the comics.
Great interview on Fightful
RIP Kevin Conroy
I've been have been watching your show for 6 years, anytime you come up with new episode it's been getting better each day each week and each month" and I'm saying bring on the another episode about Injustice 2 I am psyched to see that and more Batman and Superman reviews!, keep up the good work!. Vee Infuse #sign I am Vengeance I am the night
"Best elseworlds story" ha! Good one.
an injustice anywhere is an injustice. great vid vee!
The only thing I really dislike about the Injustice is how different some of the characters behave. Like the characterisation is very different to the canon verse. Ik it's an elseworld but just smtg that bothers me. Other than that I actually agree with the title.
Superman: "You weren't the gun!"
In Batman's mind (at least, in some incarnations), this statement is wrong on its face.
Something that both the film Batman Begins and the series Harley Quinn got astonishingly correct about Batman's origin story: in those stories, young Bruce (realistically!) feels a measure of guilt for his parents' demise, either because it was his decision to take the shortcut down Crime Alley (in Harley Quinn; he was a dumb kid, we can excuse his decision for that, though why would his parents agree?), or because it was he wanted to leave the opera early (in Batman Begins). In Batman Begins, he learns to get over that guilt; in Harley Quinn he doesn't, and it colors the kind of Batman he becomes many years later (in stupid, stupid ways, but I blame the writers for that).
In general, I think young Bruce - in any incarnation - may realistically have some measure of survivor's guilt, and he may feel some measure of "they wouldn't have died if I didn't want to see 'Zorro' so badly that night." In that case, Bruce may grow into a Batman who feels like that maybe he wasn't the gun, but that he may have been a contributing factor.
Can't wait for Injustice II
An injustice anywhere is injustice.
Love your videos.
I love this story so much. Just sucks the animated movie was the drizzling shits. BTW Vee yes do the follow up talking about the 2nd game! I hope they continue and do another game because they have the content in the comics to pull from!
This is my favorite Superman. I love Superman as the villain. I love the writing they did for the games and comics.
In regard to Raven’s voice, I don’t think that was Tara Strong at all. I’m almost certain it was actually Lani Minella and they just miscredited Raven’s VA for some reason. Lani Minella also voiced Sindel and Sheeva in Mortal Kombat 9 and voices Ivy Valentine in the SoulCalibur series with basically the same voice as Injustice Raven.
Yeah, it would explain why Tara Strong’s Raven sounded different in Injustice compared to the original Teen Titans animated series.
we cherish a vee infuso upload so so deeply
An Injustice Anywhere... is an injustice
Now as for Superman's turn to the darkside, it wasn't a sudden event. The companion comic actually dives into that, it was by no means slow, but I wouldn't call it sudden. It was a gradual shift, starting with Superman taking a more proactive approach, being met with resistance, then replying with even more force. Rinse and repeat for a few years, a few caped heroes, and a few regime changes, and then we get Injustice: Gods Among Us.
This is a great video Vee , I also really like comic book discussion and videos similar to this . It would be really awesome to see you make a series on some of your favorite comic story line / arcs / or moments in the future . Cheers
When I look at the cause of the decent of superman at the hands of the joker I think of the killing joke of how anyone can snap after one very bad day
An injustice anywhere is an injustice... anywhere. God bless
Reading these comic, it wasn't the death if Lois Lane and Metropolis that led to Superman becoming evil, but the way he was abandoned and antagonized by his best surviving friend - Batman - during his time of mourning. Then manipulated by Wonder Woman and Sinestro to become worse.
It doesn't pay to be a Robin in the Injustice though. I'm still sad and upset that they killed Tim and Dick in the comics. Tim gets out of the Phantom Zone and Batman and Robin are united and then Lazer eyes through the chest and I was so upset 😡 and sad 😔 when that happened and DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON DICK'S DEATH!
I remember Dick's death being extremely sad. Batman holding his body and with tears going down his face says "My son is dead..."
@BobPants SpongeSquare Yeah that was sad and so was Tim's can't Bruce have one Robin in the Injustice universe by his side he needs it.
Tim died? fuck. i wanted him to show up in injustice 3, guess hope is almost lost.
Injustice comic book was way better then both the video games and the movie
man.. those cameos at the end… i miss kevin ):
We never see the daily life of the average human in Injustice, though. We just feel bad because supers all have to follow one lead.
I agree 100%! I think people complaining about them mischaracterizing Superman is stupid. Of course they are! That's the point!
Lois isn't what just made him snap. Yes, it started his descent but he didn't just suddenly decide he was a dictator. It actually motivated him similar to batman, he wanted to enforce peace so nothing like that could happen again. He first tried to stop global wars, which lead to the United States kidnapping his parents. Then Atlantis attacked him. Then batman turned against him. He was being attacked by the people he'd come to love and trust, and as Superman became more and more afraid of being vulnerable again, he became more drastic. Justifying greater measures such as murdering an entire army to save the Earth. Lois wasn't his anchor to Earth, but she losing her to his own hand was the catalyst that lead to him being afraid. And that fear is what slowly led up to the Superman we got. His parents are even in the story actually, and they try to talk sense to him. You see the fear of losing someone in that moment too, green arrow shoots him in the shoulder but it bounces off him cause he's... Superman... And hits his dad in the shoulder, which makes him go berserk. And his parents along with his actual father are ashamed. Those teachings he had are still there at his core, but he's warped them into something else, believing himself to still be good. He even has occasionally good moments, such as when Montoya tries to fight him and he refuses to hurt her because of her heart about to give out, the way he treats his team in the beginning. All of this is to say, he didn't just suddenly flip a switch and it wasn't just Lois that turned him into what he was, but her loss greatly altered how he reacted to other tragedies in the story, of which there are several. Sorry for the super long comment but injustice is a very interesting story to me so talking about it is fun.
Billy trying to say shazam before superman freezes his mouth so that he can turn back into a kid in hopes that superman wont kill him in his child form is just the saddest thing ever😔😔
"An injustice anywhere is an injustice...
In the movie I think they changed it so he feels bad about it and gives up at the end. The second game and the comic doubled down I think and he just always stayed evil even after getting overthrown and shit. Kind of a nod to both Hercules and kratos from god of war. Both went through the same thing as Superman, one went and did twelve labors to repent and get forgiveness for his actions, one went on a murder spree about it. So, I guess in a way they did both with the changes in the movie, even if I personally thought the movie sucked and was almost as disappointed as when I saw the killing joke movie do what it did. But that’s a whole different thing, good vid bro appreciated your perspective on it
Of course the day I'm uploading a criticism video on injustice 2(referencing your Injusticeovie review), you make a video on injustice aswell😂 Great video though Vee!
1:25 not quite, the actual gameplay of Injustice is definted by chucking projectiles 😂
An INJUSTICE anywhere is an INJUSTICE (2)!
My god I did not expect to see The Boondocks R. Kelly to make a appearance. Death to me lmbo
Happy 11th Anniversary Injustice : Gods Among Us.
AN INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS AN INJUSTICE!!!
In my opinion, NRS games since MK9 doesn't need any movie or cartoon adaptation. Because, it already IS a movie and a game in one. Like, they has all of the cutscenes that explains everything, and awsome gameplay for player to enjoy. So, if you want a Injustice movie, then just watch Injustice 1 and 2 cutscenes and that would be more than enough to have a good injustice movie.
I just read Injustice gods amnong us up to year three and it's an absolute banger!
Despite how common evil superman is the injustice universe easily done it best
An injustice anywhere is an injustice.
Ok so it isn't JUST Lois AND THEYR UNBORN CHILD, it's the ENTIRE METROPOLIS....What is amazing here is that it shows nobody is perfect, how The Killing Joke says "all it takes is one bad day" !! Also as per comics this change did not happen immediatley, but they couldn't spread it too much on the games as it would slow the pace and that's not why most are into fighting games !!!
"An Injustice anywhere is an Injustice"
It really is Dc best elseworld story.
Agreed. I actually like it even more than "Kingdom Come".
Honestly, though?
I feel like if it was only a comic series, and didn't have those superb games (not to mention the superb voice cast!) to serve as most peoples' introduction to the story, it may not have done so well... and I may not have been such a big fan.
As it stands, I am a huge fan of both games, the main comic series, and even the side story "Injustice vs. Masters of the Universe"!
The animated movie adaptation was abhorrent.
"An injustice anywhere, is an INJUSTICE!"
AN INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS AN INJUSTICE TOO!
An injustice anywhere is an injustice
I have an idea that she became good for revenge on superman for killing joker not for good but for vengeance so when the earth 1 joker comes she goes back to bad because with joker back she won't need vengeance.
Did you read the comics? I'm just curious cuz there's more to Harley Quinn character and they even made bonus comic when the game come out about Harley Quinn
Kingdom come did superman losing everything much better and doenst have to bastardize superman to make it work
Every other DC Project after Injustice 1 includes an Evil Superman but just misses the point as to why Evil Superman worked in Injustice 1.
The first Injustice game was essentially Crisis On Two Earths but as a video game. Some of the DC characters enters a world where the Justice League is evil and there’s a rebellion stopping them. The only difference is that the Evil Justice League in the game was an alternate Superman’s Regime Empire, while the rebellion was an alternate Batman’s Insurgency. And it’s up to the DC Heroes from the main universe to stop the Regime and save the Alternate Universe.
Not counting the tie-in comics (Which sucks, although it still explains how Regime Superman’s the way he is), but in the Injustice 1 video game, Regime Superman basically a mix between Justice Lords Superman and the Brave New Metropolis Superman. Like BRM Supes, he lost his Lois Lane and became a grief stricken killer. And like Justice Lords Superman, Regime Superman became a dictator and tried to make sure everyone’s safe, only to make things worse in the process.
Unfortunately, every other Evil Superman in later DC Projects just include an Evil Superman because why not, and explore him that much.