Why Injustice Superman Should NEVER Be Redeemed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Welcome to this Injustice rant or Injustice breakdown video where we are going into Why Injustice Superman Should NEVER Be Redeemed!! We know that Superman is normally a symbol of hope and peace but in the Injustice Gods Among Us and also the Injustice 2 storylines he slowly but surely becomes a tyrant! But is he too far gone? Well I think so and I'll be tell you why in this Injustice game rant video! If you enjoy make sure to leave a like, sub and comment below suggestions for future videos!
The moment when Injustice Superman killed Billy Batson / Shazam was when I knew Injustice Superman was too far gone.
Nah man, it’s when he kills Oliver in the injustice prequel comics, that’s when he went too far
@@DiegoRants4now Oliver broke into his house and shot his dad, any dude in America would have put him on a slab.
@@DiegoRants4now
Superman lost control when he killed Ollie.
Superman killed Shazam because he is in control and don’t want anyone to stop him.
Alright boys let's say the line
" Is there any line you won't cross?"
@@Rhinoxsaurus "I don't hurt children." ~ 🦸🏻♂️
Superman: I draw the line with children
Also him
*Literally murders a child in cold blood with no hesitation*
Yeah....
Injustice Timeline has a five year timeskip Damien and Billy are the same age, if he is Nightwing then Billy is at least 18 by this point. If Uncle Sam can send you off to die so can Superman.
Legally speaking Billy is an Adult if that's the actual age he was in the injustice game, but he's still a teenager which Iw an adolescent but that doesn't still excuse Superman from killing him in cold blood
it's also why Superman stops him turning back into Billy. He freezes his mouth before killing him. A small touch I think some people gloss over.
@@Fenris30 "Uncle Sam" kills children in foreign countries all the time. I don't think you are making a good argument here 🤨
The fact that Joker didn't receive capital punishment before Superman killed him is far beyond me.
Agreed or the DC villains for that matter-
I mean, yeah. Comics gotta keep selling. In universe, joker is kept from being killed not because of “insanity plea” but because the powers that be don’t want him dead (e.g. suicide squad type of stuff)
@@sirkit2105 Batman won't kill him cause without the Joker and the other villains, Batman has no purpose. Likewise, without Batman, shit just wouldn't be funny anymore to the joker.
He was deemed to insane to be fully in control of his actions that’s why he was always being sent to the asylum
@terron7840 Batman won't kill him because of his code. Under the red hood explains this perfectly, once you cross that line, there's no going back. Bruce knows that. Hence why Injustice is what it is, once that line is crossed, game over. you're done. You can't go back.
Joker won't kill Batman because life without Batman is simply not funny. In the comics when batman has died, Joker has actually turned sane and left crime behind, reintergrating into society as a normal person. Their relationship is between them and them alone. Neither truly wants to be without the other. A lot of comics and adaptations have explored this. Killing Joke is probably the most famous, but Dark Knight returns is a great one too (that tunnel of love scene) as well as Batman Beyond return of the Joker (also why Joker doesn't really care about Bruce's identity).
i’d argue what makes Billy’s death worse is that he killed him for just disagreeing with him, in fact he was surrounded by yes men because no one stopped him, not even the flash stopped him. Even the green lantern calls it a casualty of war which is a way he’d never talk about the death of a former comrade
Also, this is after Billy saved Clark, being the reason Lex missed his shot
Flash was going to stop him but he was stopped by lantern
Lantern was operating on pure fear, taking the paths of least resistence, and that cowardice lets him watch a 15-year old (at that time) be slaughtered by one of his good friends.
Flash tried to hold Billy back but Lantern stopped him
Actually I feel like Superman more so killed Shazam for evoking Lois Lane's name, and trying to tell Supes how she would feel about what he's doing. Saying her name took him back to her death and pissed him off, and gets even more pissed because he probably knows deep down that Shazam is right.
The worst part of killed Shazam, was the fact that just earlier to this, Shazam saved Superman from the Kryptonite weapon of Lex Luthor, making a cruel irony that Superman killed the man/boy who saved his life.
And just how did he save Superman's life by throwing lightning so when Superman grabs his throat why didn't he just zap him and what was the freeze breath about ...he was already powered up.
@@julez4002 Well, during this scene, Billy wasn't transformed in Shazam yet. And when Billy tried to transform, Superman leaves his mouth frozen, to prevent that he could become Shazam, and kills him slowly with his laser vision.
_" _*_With great power comes the absolute certainty, that you will turn into a right c-... ..._*_ "_
Superman: Only criminals need to fear me.
Batman: Shazam and Green Arrow weren't criminals!
Superman: Casualties of war.
Blue Beetle: There any line you won't cross?
Superman: I don't hurt children.
Blue Beetle: Didn't stopped you with Shazam.
Flash: How come you're not have regrets, Victor?
Cyborg: Because I know we did the right thing!
Flash: 2 words: Billy Batson!
Black Adam: Shazam's death shouldn't have faced you!
Flash: Killing children is never ok!
Black Adam: He was sacrifice for the greater good!
I feel like the Injustice Two writers didn't play or read the comics for Injustice 1 given all of the inaccuracies, they clearly forgot about the five year time skip even though there's a comic that details every year. I did read an Article about NetherRealm being pissed certain characters got killed off in the comics without telling them. GL in I2 was clearly supposed to be Kyle Rayner given him forming a giant robot during his Super but he was killed by Sinestor in the Arc of the comic everyone seems to forget (Year 3). They Also for got how technologically Advanced the earth had gotten in those five short years. Metropolis had flying cars. Clearly they were setting up the Earth from Judge Dredd since that's what the regime was but somehow weren't able to get the rights. All of the Insurgent heroes in I2 were supposed to be the second generation like Wally, Kyle and so on but Tom Taylor was so interested in connecting Injustice with the main DCU that he kept bring in those characters and killing them off leaving nothing for the I2 writers to work with so they had to let Barry and Hal off the hook.
To be fair, didn’t BA die before Billy or was that just the comics?
@@betterlatethannever4529 Black Adam didn't died.
Redhood: Theirs far, and then theirs too far.
Superman: Who are you yo judge me?
Redhood: You've gone far enough Superman!
When Redhood of all people calls you out on killing, then you know you F up.
Im glad everyone agrees killing Shazam was the straw that broke any argument for him being redeemed
I just realized something... How old is Injustice Billy?
There's a 5 year gap between Joker destroying metropolis, and the game. Shazam is shown to have been active before the nuke in the tie in comic.
Let's say he's 13-15 by the time the nuke happens, and 18-20 by the time he dies.
Not only did Superman kill an adult, but he killed someone with the wisdom of Solomon.
Or everyone just kinda forgot and yeah
@Puncherjoe1 Thought he was 10 but regardless Superman killed the youngest of them without a real justification, he did it because Shazam opposed him for wanting to destroy his own city and invading other dimensions if I remember correctly. What pisses me off more is that everyone just sits there and let's him do it. Then in Injustice 2's story NOBODY CALLS HIM OUT ON IT!
@@Puncherjoe1 I always assumed 12-15 as that’s the typical comic age most artists go for
Regime Superman killing Regime Shazam made Regime Flash realize that the One Earth Regime has gone too far and Regime Superman was off the rails.
@@Puncherjoe1 The comics and the second game confirm that Billy was still a child.
Killing Billy is like Killing one's conscience. When one silences that voice there's no going back.
Even if Superman shouldn't have a redemption, his ending should still have some meaning for his story, rather than just having he be defeated and die in battle against Batman or whoever end up being the new protagonist. Just because a villain is irredemable doesn't mean their ending can't have some depth.
The deaths of Superman and Wonder Woman in this storyline needs to be as horrific as possible.
@@shinystarmiestudios4179 In the case of Superman I think he should follow Denethor from LotR exemple, having a final moment of realization before his death, like he saves the life of main universe Lois before he dies, doing one final action of heroism.
As for Wonder Woman I have an idea in mind: If we ever got Injustice 3, I think one the playable characters should be Jon Kent, who already met Injustice Superman in the comics. When they meet, Jon could mention the previous encounter which Injustice Superman could answer "Wait, what? I never met you, kid?"
So, after doing some investigation Injustice Superman could end up finding out that, after Jon left his universe in the comic, Injustice Wonder Woman, not wanting Superman to leave her and try to find Jon and Lois, would ask Raven to change memories, making him forget he met Jon.
Once Superman finds out, he would be so angry he would killed Diana, with her finally suffering the consequences of her manipulations.
I mean look at the comic series literally titled Irredeemable
@@shinystarmiestudios4179 For Superman, I think he should do one last act of heroism before his death, finally realizing his mistake and accepting his end.
As for Wonder Woman I have an idea in mind: If we ever get a Injustice 3, the protagonist should be Jon Kent, who already met Injustice Superman in the comics.
To explain why this meeting was never mention in the game, I think the story should reveal that Wonder Woman, with the help of Zatanna, change Superman's memories, so he wouldn't try to go after Jon and meet the main Lois. Once he discovers what she did, Injustice Superman could be the one who kills Diana, with the crazy amazon finally suffering the consequences of her manipulations.
@@shinystarmiestudios4179good thing your not a writer cause everyone would shit on your ending. We all know injustice Superman is crazy but at the end of the day the joker is the true villian even in death. A better ending for him would be to realize his mistake and either give himself gold kryptonite and incarcerate himself or fly off into the universe to exile himself
I agree with you.
However: there is a big difference between eliminating the Joker, which should have been done long ago, who could clearly never be redeemed.
Luther was at least a fight, I think Batson was the true moral event horizon. He didn’t flatten the cities, which would have also been a line.
Not for lack of trying
I am just glad the Evil Superman comes from the multiverse, not mainstream.
That’s the point of the multiverse is to show alternate versions of the heroes we know and live from different scenarios
@fictionverse7292 Too bad some of the fans takes this so seriously.
Technically this evil Superman is how the main universe Superman would’ve reacted if his Lois died too tho
@@what3899 Yeah, not to mention that Clark Kent (Supermans humanity) will be dead inside.
@@what3899I believe that if Lois died in main universe,Superman would be similar to his version in "Kingdom Come".
honestly the shazams death is hurts in the game but in the comics superman crossed the line so long ago its nuts the fact that any of the hero's sided with him period is insane i get it in the beginning helping superman makes sense after everything but down the line it just doesn't make sense for them to do
If you look into it several of them agree with him out of fear while others simply lost those close to them and have come to agree with him because they are lost in their grief and what not
@@wintertrooper7918stole the words out of my mind
10:35 What you describe was the animated film version. In the comic, the scene is bit similar, although Jonathan doesn't die bc he took the super pill. However, just the fact he saw his father being hit by the arrow was enough to trigger Superman and make him kill Ollie.
By the way, Green Arrow death in the comic wasn't just a simple heat vision on the face. Superman beat him to death, merciless punching Ollie while Martha and Jonathan tried in vain to make her son stop. When he finally did, Clark proceed to just blame Batman, and go on about he won't stop until "ruin his perfect world" which just shows how unstable and disconect from reality Injustice Superman truly is.
Also, the Jor-El AI was there and he apologized for Ma and Pa for sending Clark to earth.
I honestly prefer how they did it I n the movie, because in the comic, it was such an insane overreaction relatively early into Superman’s fall. In the movie, Ma Kent had already died, so Pa Kent was all he had, and using heat vision made it seem like more of a heat-of-the-moment reaction rather then several minutes of pure psychosis.
@@hunterblane610 Respect your opnion but I disagree since Clark reaction and the brutal way he beats Ollie helps to showcase how unstable Clark has become.
Plus the fact that both his parents are alive in some ways explains Superman's corruption since, in most versions, Jonathan or both Kents die before Clark become Superman, teaching the lesson that he can't always save everyone. But because their are alive in the Injustice universe, it's clear that IJ Superman probably never experience loss and never learned this lesson.
@@alexandrefrauches132 Sure, he didn't learn that lesson, but the fact that injustice Clark didn't loose anyone makes his reaction even more overblown. Pa was barely injured and Clark went ballistic even with Ma, Pa, and Jor-El trying to talk him down.
I don't know. If that incident took place like 4 or 5 years Into the regime, maybe it would make more sense, but I'm pretty sure this happens in Year 1 or 2, so Superman just goes ape sh*t on someone who was his friend not too long ago. He doesn't even seem to feel that bad about if afterwards.
@@hunterblane610 It''s overblown bc it shows the damage that the death of Lois, Clark's first big loss, caused to Clark and his inability to deal with grief, something he never went through before. His attacks on Ollie are basically Clark letting himself being corrupt by those emotions: His fear of seeing another person being injure or killed, his anger against those who hurt them and specially against himself for not having done anything to prevent this.
Injustice Superman doesn 't feel bad in the end bc he doesn't want to feel like this ever again. He already blames himself for Lois death so instead of taking responsability for his actions he just tries to blame others, in particular Batman, for his problems
If Lana Lang is in the Injustice Universe, would’ve she help put Clack/Superman on the right path away from Wonder Woman’s toxicity?
They are childhood sweethearts at one time in the comics so it would make a lot of sense that his path to redemption would be rough one but worth it when Darksied comes to invade Earth again to avenge the death of his son Kalibak.
NetherRealm Studio should take note from this comment!
We know she exists, but we don't know what happened to her.
Superman: "Are you reading my mind right now?"
Grodd: "Whatever happened to Lana Lang?"
Superman: "Don't go there."
OK I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THIS
For people mad at Batman for NOT killing Joker leading to the deaths of Lois & her unborn child; let us not forget that in the main continuity of the series it is Lex Luthor who gives Joker the nuke that blew up Metropolis that was linked to Lois' heartbeat!
So, if Batman is the 'villain' of this story for not killing Joker (in the Injustice timeline) then Superman would also be linked as a 'villain' for not killing Lex sooner (in the main continuity)
That's super true as well. Thanks for the insight brotha
The problem is that Lex in that universe was never a villain like mainstream Lex.
The funny part is Harley Quinn to woman who was with the Joker played a massive role in Metropolis getting nuked gets a redemption arc but Injustice Superman doesn’t 💀
I was hoping someone would make this point, granted I don’t think superman in injustice should be redeemed, but could he yeah if Harley can why can’t he? Harley helped nuke a city and killed an unborn baby. Why did she do it all for a laugh.
Injustice Harley Quinn finally realized how much of a monster the Joker is. Injustice Superman is consumed with rage because the Joker tricked him into killing Lois and the unborn baby in her and destroying Metropolis at the same time. He ran the planet in a North Korean fashion out of grief over the death of his wife and unborn child and out of rage at corrupt politicians for letting criminals like Joker run loose, committing heinous atrocities.
@gabrielgilbert9162 brother in the start of the Injustice series Superman was trying to do some good and was accomplishing it. He was securing world peace the problem was he had Wonder Woman at the side of his ear. And Batman kept egging him on all the time.
@@skellva like people are saying Superman is a dictator yeah that’s true but Harley’s kill count is way worse than Superman’s. Plus even when he want down the tyrants path he tried to do some good and was accomplishing it. The problem was Wonder Woman at his shoulder and Batman egging him.
@IceGodzilla619 exactly thank you for agreeing with me
The "real" villain was the government and authorities that has allowed mentally ill cosplayers play their "game" and ended up in a nuke by the Joker
Damn that's super real
Ok "Amanda Waller"
@@mr.x991Amanda is a hero, not the one we asked for but the one we need
@@Agent-mb1xxnowhere near a hero, but definitely one of the more sane government-type villains
No, the REAL villain was Batman
If it weren't for his ass backwards moral code (killing bad guys = evil but killing his allies = go for it!) Superman wouldn't have lost his shit in the first place because Joker wouldn't have been alive to give Harley the go ahead on detonating A FUCKING NUKE in Supe's city
I'm pretty sure the comic events are the canon version. The arrow wasn't even willingly deflected. It bounced off of Superman and into Pa Kent's shoulder.
Also, Martha was there and both were trying to stop Clark from killing Oliver. It uh....didn't work.
Harley Quinn was redeemed and she nuked an entire city. So if it works for her, then Superman is well within reason.
Jonathan Kent (son of the mainstream Superman) met Injustice Superman and even after finding out that this version of his dad is a tyrant who kills anyone who stands in his way. but instead of fighting him Jon decided to just talk to him and remind him of lois.
Yeah Jon Kent/Superman decided to do a talk no jutsu.
Because this superman isn't evil
There’s a line in Injustice 2 Batman says to WW that I find absolutely fitting.
“Schemes? I’m not the one who stoked Clark’s worst fears.”
How joker and Harley Quinn never really faced legal consequences is beyond me.
I've said this in another video, but the fact that superman knows Billy is a kid says it. Like all superman had to do was freeze his mouth and had him sent into the phantom zone which he could've done but the fact he killer him just because he mentioned lois wouldn't want this says a lot.
The Writers of Injustice 2 forgot about the timeskip. Billy Wasn't Transformed into Shazam. Superman killed Billy not Shazam that's why he covered his mouth.
Shazam’s one of the few heroes capable of being the absolutely daylights out of Superman in a 1 on 1 without anything to weaken him first. If he let Billy live and he turned, Superman would have a big problem.
@@Fenris30that’s a lie we see him use lighting in that form
@@UP51Lwhy does everyone think he was Billy? We literally see him use his powers in that EXACT form, also what did he just make a second, identical Shazam outfit that he just wears around?
He was trying to say "Shazam" because the magical lighting is his ultimate attack, I thought that was common knowledge
@@UP51Lyou re coping hard. Billy was in his Shazam form, Superman killed him before he could revert back to his normal child form
Remember when Injustice's Harley Quinn helped Joker with the plan of... Hhhmm... BLOWING UP METROPOLIS?
And yet she gets to be a heroine
She's a victim of joker
@@wintertrooper7918so was superman.
@@SupermanYT. and?
something that really hammers shazam's death in is the fact that he doesn't try to fight back in fact he even tries to turn back to billy batson in the hopes of reminding superman of trying to remind him what he should protect
It would be more tragic for Kara if she learned her cousin have killed a kid like Billy Batsons. But how will Shazam’s death affects the entire Marvel family? That’s something I am curious about.
If I remember correctly I the injustice 2 comics Mary marvel made an appearance showing how she’s still grieving Billy’s death and blame Superman for indoctrinating him and once he disagrees killing him
@@captainrex1718 Very true that it did happen which is why I thought maybe she can become the new Champion for the Wizard.
Injustice Superman is a Clark who never really believed that anyone, and I mean anyone could ever understand him, because in his mind he was the Last Son of a dying planet, the Symbol of Hope, he was the Paragon of Justice, which means no one could understand his loss of his wife, unborn child, best friend, and city to the same man who should have been years ago.
Injustice wonder woman is the true villain of the series in my opinion because she stoked Superman's rage and encouraged him to act like a tyrant. She is just as bad if not worse than Superman because she not only enabled his behavior but, she fueled it too, I absolutely loved the way Harley called her out on this fact in Injustice 2 when she stops Diana from killing cheetah
Which is why I think Superman AND Wonder Woman deserve the most horrific deaths possible.
Fuckin hate instigators.
The true villain is Steve Trevor
Batman didn't help matters as instead of trying to help his friend who's teetering on the edge, he decided to be a colossal douchebag. And to make matters worse, he recruits Harley of all people on his side. You know, Joker's accomplice who helped him destroy Metropolis and kill Superman's unborn child. Makes him look like a massive hypocrite.
@@Vigriff technically he didnt recruit her he arrested her and kept her in a safe house while he tried to fix things but then he needed her help because he was losing resistance members plus Bruce knows all to well how much of a victim harley herself is of the joker
There are some other notes in the dialogue that further dive into who this Superman is, such as him wanting to take the good one’s Lois in their confrontation in Injustice 1, or him grouping thieves with rapists and murderers near the start of 2. Also him working with villains like Sinestro and Black Adam, killing off Green Lanterns in the comics, having a military death squad, and a few assorted pre-fight lines in the games.
What probably solidifies this Superman not getting a redemption arc is the end of Batman’s ending in the Arcade mode where at the end, despite calling Superman ‘Clark’ all game, he refers to him as ‘Kal’, meaning that not even Batman believes he can be redeemed anymore past that point.
Tbh I think this was obvious that's he's not gonna be redeemed, dude is too far gone at this point when he became a tyrant
I would also like to mention the often overlooked deaths of Martian Manhunter and Captain Atom (only happens in the comics) at the hands of Superman prior to the death of Ollie, I know everyone mentions Shazam’s death as the point of no return but killing three members of the league in the span of a few hours I think already is irredeemable
Superman: I don’t hurt children
Blue Beetle: Didn’t stop you with Shazam
Regime Flash: How come you don’t have any regrets, Victor?
Regime Cyborg: Because I know we did the right thing.
Regime Flash: 2 words, BILLY. BATSON.
Also didn't stop him with the Teen Titans (see the prequel comic), including his younger "brother"/clone.
at this point, injustice 2 blue beetle is speaking fax
Regime Superman makes everyone respect Prime Superman.
The worst part of ollie's death is that in the comic, he gets beaten to a pulp by superman as his mother screams and begs him to stop
The fact shazam even sided with him but the biggest villain is wonder woman constantly manipulating his grief
This is a hot take and is off topic but hear me out, Harley Quinn literally got off easy after help orchestrating creating evil superman as well as caused the death and destruction of metropolis.
I understand Harley was manipulated by the Joker but that comes across as taking away someones autonomy, agency and free will.
Sure she feels guilt for what she's done but no one scold her, judge her by her actions, no one is like "I will never forgive nor forget what you've done"
Batman's team is all buddy buddy with her which is weird when you think about it.
I still find it wild that Batman would let Harley Join his team regardless whether she's trying to change or not If I was sups I'd be pressed AF, imagine your former friend(s) working with the same person who not only helped kill millions but kill your wife and unborn child.
Even in the animated movie when sups said he deserved death Bats was like "you don't get off that easy" like WHAT??? you let an domestic terrorist on your team and act like shit is sweet.😂😂
Joker and Superman are kinda like parallels, Joker purposely tricked Superman into destroying a city and ending his spouse (Lois) and unborn child lives, then Superman purposely ends Shazam's (a child) and Green Arrow's (Black Canary's spouse) lives.
Huge respect for batman. A mortal being like us but still has huge control over his emotions. When Dick died. He literally punching the woods in sorrow. That scene is so much sadly😢😢
Honestly he really does fall off very hard especially with wonder woman around.
While I dislike the movie. The ending is actually good showing superman has gone off the deep end so far he knows he can't be redeemed as Lois wouldn't have wanted him to become like this. I can see that if we ever get a final injustice story
Despite the movie not being good, I have to say it might be the best written Injustice content as if we’re being honest… Injustice as a whole was never that great of a continuity. Every league member with the exception of course being Batman, acts so out of character, especially Wonder Woman.
@@RedCommunistDragon wonder woman would act like this when she can she's a warrior and while normally of course the heroes would be heroes.
We see in a lot of else world stories she goes off the deep end a lot or just gives up on humanity so it's not out of character for her especially if she has a crush on superman in this universe.
Plus we see she'd take revenge when possible like in tas where she'd probably punch out toy maker in the heat of the moment. Injustice is just her always at that level.
@@RedCommunistDragon I think the big issue is that with the first Injustice game, we didn't have a good view of exactly what the Injustice universe really WAS. Based off of what we were given, we just had to assume that it was pretty much identical to the main universe, but with the diverging point of Superman killing the Joker.
But the comics really put a swerve into that, especially with Wonder Woman. She's practically unrecognizable from her original version, and that's because in the Injustice series, they slightly altered her origins: Steve Trevor, her first love and introduction to humanity, turned out to be a Nazi sleeper agent, and she ended up killing him after he betrays her and the Amazons. This in turn made her far more cynical and distrusting about mankind, which would lead to her helping to stoke Clark's worst impulses and leading him further down his dark path into becoming a tyrant who will kill anyone who opposes him. Injustice Wonder Woman is one that can only see the worst in humanity, instead of the one who sees the best in them.
If you didn't look it up or read the comics, you wouldn't know ANY of that. So it's up to the player / viewer to have to fill in a LOT of gaps to figure out why certain characters pick certain sides, which can make for a pretty messy story.
@@ivanbluecool In the case of Toy Maker it sense and even justifiable, however, in the Injustice comics and games she’s straight up diabolical, killing and torturing anyone who even slightly disagrees with her. Granted she is a warrior but still.
I’m aware that in the comics and 2021 film (unsure about the games) Steve Trever, the man she loved dearly, turned out to be a Nazi spy so Diana swiftly decapitated him. And this put her on a far more cynical view on the world of man. Makes her motivations in the movie much more understandable.
@@RedCommunistDragon Yeah, the movie is the most tolerable part of the Injustice series. The games and comics are just pure trash, especially with how they handled Batman's characterization.
imagine if Superman (Kingdom come) meets the injustice superman. I wonder what kind of interaction will have?
And it's not just that Shazam was a child, but on top of that, Shazam had recently saved Superman's life from Luthor's kryptonite laser, and Superman, who was just complaining about ungrateful people, just kills him
Yeah that thumbnail was all the proof needed.
Alternate title: Why Superman and Wonder Woman deserve the most horrific deaths possible.
Injustice is a video game series that makes me depressed and uncomfortable with how they butchered the characters into creepy abominations.
You know a true monster when their parents beg them to stop and spare someone in their dying breath then proceed to ignore them.
Superman also killed most of the green lantern corp in the injustice comics
I actually have an idea for how Superman (at least, the one in the Batman ending) could be redeemed:
It’s my assumption that the character endings are canon as alternate timelines, and Superman’s ending just fills in the gap between defeating Batman and visiting Supergirl. My idea suggests that this Superman starts visiting the other timelines/endings before eventually arriving at the Batman timeline. Batman has to release Supes from the Phantom Zone and after seeing just how far he would’ve gone, he makes it his mission to right his wrongs and redeem himself. He and the JL go to the Superman timeline and free Kara, at which point they defeat the evil Superman. Good Supes is then offered a choice: kill his evil counterpart or spare him. The good (canon) ending comes when Superman spares the evil version and redeems himself
I am ignoring retcons and that shit. Thus, Billy Batson was the moral event horizon to most people.
I agree with you, but this also goes for Sinestro, Black Adam, and especially Wonder Woman.
Injustice Superman can whine all he wants, blame anyone he wants. But by god he shall never EVER be forgiven for murdering Billy Batson.
Blue Beatle: "there any line you won't cross?"
Superman: "I don't hurt children."
Blue Beatle: "Didn't stop you with Shazam."
The moment he considered flattening cities and invading worlds, that was when he stopped being Superman and became more Ultraman in all but name. But having bad intentions isn’t necessarily the point of no return, I could want to do something really bad but that doesn’t mean I’ll do it, you can morally come back from wanting to do something bad as long as you don’t do it. The moment he even considered killing Shazam though, a child, that was the moment that he fully stopped deserving to wear that S and gave up any chance that he had of ever becoming Superman again. This Superman can still do heroic things but he’s never again going to have another chance of ever becoming a true hero. Even more tragically, Superman himself killed that chance of it happening when he killed Billy. That’s where Supergirl comes in in this story, she’s what Superman once was, what he still could’ve and should’ve been if he didn’t end up making all the wrong choices while wallowing in and being consumed by his grief and his rage. I fully believe regardless of wether he should or shouldn’t be redeemed or wether he even could or couldn’t be redeemed, Superman’s redemption isn’t happening. On the contrary he’s already been replaced or he’s in the process of being replaced.
I’m glad people are finally holding him accountable. everyone loves to blame everything on Wonder Woman as if she literally forced him into doing these horrible things. She supported him and helped him but she didn’t MAKE him do anything.
Wonder Woman is the main reason behind Superman's corruption. Every time he has doubts about the methods and path he's chosen, she is there to whisper bad encouragement in his ear.
Remember the worst part is that Billy tried TURNING BACK into his normal form
He was going to say Shazam but then was denied to speak and lasered through the head i feel like superman KNEW if he tried killing Billy while he was a kid, a lotta people would rebel against him or he himself wouldn’t be able to do the deed
No Billy was attempting to use his power to escape
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why would turning back to a child be considered an escape?
16:54 “Injustice: Gods of Among Us”
I hate Amongus memes but I couldn’t unhear that after you accidentally said it.
“A world beater” - Casual Comic 2024
I honestly believe that the only true villain in the Injustice series is Wonder Woman. She essentially transformed Superman into the man she wanted him to be. Instead of allowing him to grieve over the death of Lois Lane, his daughter, and the city. She manipulated him at his most vulnerable and then tried to replace Lois Lane. She gotta go
You know the scary thing, there's a much darker and evil version of Superman that makes Injustice more tame
This universe was made into an animated movie and the death of Superman's adopted father also happened in the comics
I don't think he died in Comics. Like, yeah, Jonathan Kent was "shot" by Green Arrow, when his arrow ricocheted from Sups, but he didn't die, as we saw him in both 4th year in comics (3 years after death of Green Arrow) and in Injustice 2 comics
Batman (Bruce Wayne): "You shouldn't have killed the Joker."
Superman (Clark Kent/Kal-El): "I did it for Lois."
Batman (Bruce Wayne): "It's not what she would've wanted."
Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson): "You've once brought hope."
Superman (Clark Kent/Kal-El): "Now I bring justice."
Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson): "Justice is blind, not heartless."
In the He-Man crossover, it follows up on the bad ending; Superman (presumably) demolished Metropolis to make an example, all the villains are under mind control and now patrol the planet assaulting anyone for even thinking wrong, and he even tries to gain control of reality (I think) to take it over. In the end, even He-Man, another character much like Shazam, recognized there was no salvation for this guy and death was the only true way of stopping the madness for both Earth's and Superman's sake.
There’s also another spin off Injustice with he-man
I agree with what you said about the point of no return being the loss of any choice
I agree.
Up to the point where he killed Shazam for no reason, he was redeemable.
After that...nope. That's the line of no return. You just can't come back from that, anyone who does something like that is just gone.
The thing about Injustice Superman is that he tries to justify his actions by saying that they will prevent another tragedy like the one that hit Metropolis from happening. Yet, in that moment, he was ordering the destruction of not just Metropolis but Gotham as well. He was willing to see two cities destroyed, one of which whose previous destruction is his motivation, simply because he didn't like what people were saying about him on top of taking over another world.
I often point this out when discussing Wonder Woman and Harley. Harley was involved with the deaths of millions in Metropolis, but in the Injustice timeline she's seen the error of her ways and is attempting to better herself. The only thing that stopped Injustice Wonder Woman from helping Superman top Joker's high score is the fact a Justice League from another world was there to stop them. When subjected to fear toxic, Harley's greatest fear was going back to who she used to be while Wonder Woman's was acknowledging what she had done to Clark before going right back to who she was before that. What happened to Wonder Woman there is the very thing Harley herself was most afraid of.
Not to mention, Superman's actions where what drew Brainiac to Earth in the first place. So, in a way, his methods led to the events of Injustice 2 happening.
Your injustice Superman video is spot on
If you manage to get a hold on He-Man/Injustice crossover comic, there is an conclusion in the follow up on Injustice 2. And believe me, Injustice Superman will get his last dessert!
Lex was never a bad guy in this universe. He was friend with Superman and Lois before the nuke
The worse part about killing billy was when he was standing up to clark , hal held barry back from backing him up
The real Villain of injustice is Wonder Woman
Without her manipulation, Ai believe that Clark would have grieved and continued to be a real hero
I made a video about that! Hope you check it out
Similar to every version of Batman that crossed the line and killed someone, there is no real redemption. Oliver/Green arrow started out killing and slowly began yo use it as a last resort like most normal people will. However unlike Oliver, Batman and Superman are far from normal, they both have no equals in what they do that means when they start sliding there is nothing to stop them.
Except his movie counterpart was redeemed in the end as he didn’t do as much evil unlike his video game counterpart and his tragedy still held up as he stopped before it was too late.
Basically it’s Batman’s contingency in action before your eyes as they say ‘where there’s power there’s corruption’
Injustice Superman should not be redeemed, but I do hope that if an Injustice 3 ever gets made, Wonder Woman is more publicly revealed to be more evil, since she did influence Superman’s decisions.
Well, in batman's last fight with wonder woman he directly tells her that he knows she was who encouraged superman's anger and grief, and like the crazy beast she is she violently attacks him because she can't say that's not true, and when the attack fails she tries to excuse herself in a very lame way, the typical "the world needed an iron fist, not a gentle hand"
@randomdeinternet3582 and this happens after the lasso of truth made her say that clark needed batman to batman's face. The fact that freaking harley quinn's actions are swept under the rug with the "I know what I did was bad" bullshit with no redemption for superman especially after wonder woman's line is infuriating
movie green arrow did but in comics he only hurt superman dad
If you listen to hal's comments in this and after the game he makes it clear that he wanted to flee just like Barry but his fear of Superman kept him there
Blue Beetle: Is there any line you won’t cross?
Superman: I don’t hurt kids.
Blue Beetle: Didn’t stop you with Shazam.
Shazam didn’t deserve that.
Flash: How come you’re not having any regrets, Victor?
Cyborg: Because I know we did the right thing.
Flash: Two words… BILLY. BATSON.
The more you look at the Justice League members of the Injustice universe, the more you notice many of them, even Batman are flawed in comparison to their 'normal' versions or the 'good' timeline versions we see:
Superman: becomes tyrannical and I think deep under the surface had some issues, I would even go so far as to say he was more sloppy than the normal Superman is as well in terms of skill
Batman: unable to comfort a friend when they needed it, could not understand emotions well either (Yes I do think Batman could have handled the Joker ending a lot better and should have been there for Clark, not allowing Diana to spin poison into Clark's ears)
Wonder Woman: Nazis boyfriend broke her years ago, made her jaded and seemed to always have a desire for war
Flash: misguided and did not see Clark for what he is till it too late
Aquaman: Was a King who seemed to have designs on taking over the surface world, seemed to want a war with the surface
Green Lantern: He gave into fear to easy and sold out his willpower
I would say that the Injustice league are all flawed, darker versions of their main universe counterparts.
Not all Crimes should be punish by death, also there are false conviction and people forced into plea deals for things they never did, Killing all Criminals doesn't work and Killing 1 will lead down that sloop of whose next, over and over and over. That why Batman doesn't kill the Joker but Joker need to be locked up somewhere better, like the Green Lantern Prison on Oa, or Maximum Confine Cell with no interaction with others, Batman Justice ain't perfect but he doesn't want to take free will away from others, Injustice Superman does think people shouldn't have weapons, shouldn't make these choice, shouldn't commit crimes, should listen to him, even with that logic anything could become weapon, report fake crimes could kill someone, and people want to make chooses and will fight for that right.
I believe the same thing happened to green arrow in the comics that set up the game
At the end of the day, Clark was very hesitant in everything he was doing after snapping on Joker.
DIANA was the one who pushed his buttons further and made him cast aside any doubt.
She should of been imprisoned in the Phantom Zone along Clark if anything, but she got pretty much the better end of the punishment, if not any punishment at all.
That's what bugs me the most.
It really is a well developed progression. At first Superman constantly feels the need to verbally justify himself and occasionally hesitates in horror such as just before Alfred beats the crap out of him. Towards the time of the video game he’s thoroughly convinced himself of his own superiority and righteousness-Plastic man points out how he literally starts sitting on a throne. When he kills Billy it shows he’s so far gone that he will do anything to avoid doubting himself and realizing what he has done and how far he’s fallen. Later after his defeat he dreams about Batman killing Joker after he saves Lois, showing that he’s processed that killing Joker wasn’t good for him but still puts blame on Batman for not sacrificing himself and his code for their friendship.
Injustice Superman should lose his powers and live his life as Clark Kent
hey if this relevant but there was crossover of he-man and injustice years ago, the story takes place after injustice 2 superman ending.
in where the new resistance went to eternia to recruit he-man who's having some trouble being the new king and all after his secret was revealed.
also the crossover redemeed damian in that story as he finally see's how evil superman had become.
The animated movie is not canon to the game but Superman's father pa kent in the canon prequel comic lives
Thankfully the arcade ending confirmed his ideology got worse
"Should injustice Superman be redeemed?" what a silly question, of course not...
HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE.
Hopefully Evil Superman trope is not overextended too much
If the writing is done right; DC Comics is similar to Star Trek--a moral lesson learned, then hopeful and optimistic about the future
For that Green Arrow segment, the comics are indeed canon, and the movie is pretty much its own thing. However, in the Injustice comic, Jonathan Kent isn't fatally wounded, making Ollie's death even more unnecessary. It's here where Clark truly has reached the point of no return in terms of killing people, but it isn't until Billy Batson that he becomes completely irredeemable.
To put simply, if he did come to regret killing Green Arrow, redemption could still be possible, but he would never be fully forgiven. But after Shazam, regardless of regret, he is beyond saving. And that's without talking about everything else that happens in the comics.
I think Batman in the Under the Red Hood film said it best “If I allow myself to go down into that dark place, I’ll never come back.” The moment Superman killed Joker there was no coming back, leading to him feeling no remorse for the deaths of some of his closest friends and allies like Green Arrow, Shazam, and Luthor.
For all the things the animated movie got wrong, its idea of Injustice Supes being beaten by a Superman who also lost everything was an improvement.
Like Kingdom Come Superman would be the ideal guy to beat/mercy-kill Injustice Superman, cause he failed and almost fell to that extreme.
The MOTU crossover having He-Man mercy-kill Clark was a good call, it’s clear he wants to die.
As a die hard superman fanboy, I'll admit going into the game I was all for him killing joker, it was everything after where it changed. The way he killed Billy, sicking Doomsday on metropolis to teach them a lesson. It was just like yeah no you aren't superman. Thankfully we got the "real" one to kick his ass. But Jesus Harold Christ what he does in the comic leading to the main story of the game. F that guy. How in the holy hell could they just make him a psycho that fast? How do they cuck Barry to follow along? Wonder woman was a monster. That universe can't be redeemed.
Despite me being team Batman for the Injustice Universe I actually thought he could be redeemed up until the point where he killed Shazam/Billy and started intentionally destroying Gotham and Metropolis just to install fear.
When one bad day comes to play.
You are 100% , superman doesn't deserve redemption. He went against his code, he didn't listen to his friends and family and kept doing this unthinkable. No he deserves to be seen as an tyrant, he's no longer an hero
In the movie pa kent dies in the book he lives to later talk to batman about him not helping clark.
As soon as he killed Oliver, he was gone. The words of his parents meant nothing to him as he did it. Billy just confirmed it to Barry and Hal.
The Worst part about the comic....Pa Kent didnt die.
I like how people talk about Shazam's death but not the death of most of the green lantern core, including mogo, an actual living planet
It was probably because Shazam's death was more impactful, both in terms of writing, portrayal, and the fact that seeing something happen in motion with sound hits a lot differently than a still panel in a comic book.
By the way in the injustice comics injustice Superman yes does kill green arrow but both ma and pa Kent were okay and not dead, that was only in the injustice animated movie with pa Kent being dead just wanted to let you know.
DC loves killing pa Kent