Injustice: Gods Among Us Critique - Ultimate Edition
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I agree whole heartidly about the Regime Superman as well as these stories always having Supes as bad and Batman as good. Like, let me list the stories similar to this.
Justice Lords: Batman is a part of the team but is the only one to have a change of heart, everyone else stays the same.
Injustice: Superman is a fucking cartoon villain, Batman is the only one of the trinity that is rational.
Red Sun: Superman was raised in a communist setting and to be fair, is still being reasonable but slowly gets pushed to be more dictatorish, Batman is one of Supe's unintended victims as his second in command is the gunman that kills Bruce's parents giving him an intense hatred of Superman but more so the gunman.
Kingdom Come: Superman isn't really a villain but is going too far, Batman is still more in the right despite turning his city into a police state monitored by giant Bat Bots but Superman making a temporary Gulag to house to overly violent new 'heroes' is seen as bad which it is but I feel Batman making Gotham a Police State kinda makes his side seem a little iffy.
Squadron Supreme: This is a Marvel story but it revolves around characters clearly modeled from DC characters, similar to Watchmen modeling its characters from Charleton Comic characters. Hyperion (Superman) while not a villain, is on the side that is going too far and Nighthawk (Batman) defects and tries to stop the Squadron Supreme (Justice League) from achieving their goals as they progressively go too far to the point where they are altering the personalities of people, with their consent at first but then they change their villains personalities so they work with them and its made blatantly clear that the villains, despite the new, friendly dispositions, are forced to be on their side as they can't even call out a potential traitor as they are forced to be loyal to the Squadron so until they don't count as a member, they can't do anything to stop them.
Dark Knight Returns: I haven't read the comic or watched the movie so I am a little unclear of the set up but from what I gathered, Superman is essentially a tool of the President and the government forced super heroes into retirement so Superman is still on the wrong side while Batman is on the right.
Six, SIX STORIES where Superman (or near identical character) is the antagonist while Batman (or near identical character) is in the right. Superman, shining beacon of hope who is the greatest inspiration to most other characters in the DC Universe is routinely the villain in Elseworld stories while the paranoid, reclusive, always on the edge and even apparently contemplating murder a lot Batman is routinely the good guy who has an indomitable will and can never give in to murder even if his main foe kills millions of people, an unborn child and scars a man Bruce pretty much sees as a brother. I like your idea for the story because Batman is in the wrong this time where as Superman is in the right but regardless of that, both are reasonable and in character, Batman doesn't sound like a cartoon villain, he just got to a point where he couldn't abide the actions of his dangerous and demented rogues gallery and Superman is treating him like a friend despite his fall from grace. Also, Wonder Woman is also in character and has an important role in the story too where as in this storyline she is only really interested in seeing if Superman is the 'Man of Steel' in other ways. I honestly despise Superman more than Wonder Woman but that is solely because the stories try to make it seem like he deserves sympathy and that his fall from grace was reasonable where as WW is a murder happy cunt from the word go it seems.
On the topic of Regime Superman, I hate him because he truly is a cartoon villain but the story expects me to take him seriously and see him as a Superman who fell from grace when the stories I have listed have done that too and didn't result in Superman brutally murdering someone and it took YEARS before they went down a darker path. Regime Superman is an unself aware child who really is basically Hitler and loses all sympathy when he decides to demolish Metropolis despite its destruction being a catalyst for his character turn, so he shouldn't be so willing to destroy it. When your traumatized character starts acting practically the same as the one who traumatized them it makes them very unlikable. Superman willingly destroys Metropolis, kills children and people's lovers because Metropolis was destroyed, his child was killed along with his lover...you see the issue here? Injustice 2 is even worse because as you talked about, this game at least has a good Superman, 2 does not so we have shit fuck Superman all the time who seems less like a cartoon villain but still lacking in self awarness when he sees Metropolis again destroyed and freaks out about it...even though he casually let it be destroyed a year earlier. This version doesn't work because he apparently had the same life as a normal Superman yet so quickly turns to Super Hitler at the drop of a hat. Murdering Joker is fine but once he beats Ollie to death over a clear accident and kills Captain Marvel for speaking out of turn...yeah...this isn't Superman. Hell, Communist Dictator Superman and I think even NAZI Superman have a better moral compass than Regime Superman despite being raised in worse settings. There is something fucked up here when the Superman that was raised by Stalin is a more reasonable person than a Superman raised by the fucking KENTS.
You get it 100%. I recall Nazi Superman being devastated at the loss of his Kara. Head emotions other than rage. Shocking that a fictional nazi is more human than IJ Superman.
And if you want to go into more instances of Batman being the good guy against the League, there's also the times everyone got mind controlled aside from him:
-Batman: Endgame - The League is infected with Joker Toxins and Bruce has to fight them.
-DC Universe vs. The Masters of the Universe - Bruce is the only one smart enough to flee the Watchtower when Skeletor shows up, making him the one to not get taken over, so he can work with He-Man's group to fight them.
-Justice League vs Suicide Squad - Everyone on both teams is taken over by Eclipso, aside from Bruce, Frost and Lobo.
Remember when Batman having plans in place to deal with the rest of the League was portrayed as a bad thing, not something it's a good thing he had?
@@The4thSnake Wow, so even in situations where its the real Superman (or at least based on it as I assume the Masters of the Universe one is non canon), Superman still has to be the evil one. Its amazing that this concept is still seen as creative and ingenious but then again I remember seeing the Death of Superman animated movie they were doing where the trailer acted like they were doing something completely new by retelling the Death of Superman for like a third or fourth time so it seems DC just gets off on repeating things.
@@MysteriousTomJenkins That "Crisis" comes up so much in story names should be a clear indicator of that. Also, they rehashed Titans Hunt of all fucking things.
@@The4thSnake Lets see...
CRISIS on Infinite Earths, Infinite CRISIS, Final CRISIS, Identity CRISIS, CRISIS on Two Earths. That's the ones I can think of, they also love the number 52.
@@MysteriousTomJenkins Heroes in Crisis. Crisis on Earth-X. They should just make "Crisis 52" and get it all out of their system.
“No good Hawkgirl or Raven.”
Well they fixed that problem handily by literally ignoring those two existed.
literally... they don’t even show up in the injustice 2 comics nor the game like ??????
@@omarxperez they don't even get mentioned in the Canon
Not a good reason or excuse, bur starfire does mention her in the dlc of 2, she literally just says “raven became a servant of trigon” like, ok????? But where is she? I guess in hell? But like, wheres hawkgirl lol
Clark's line, "But you weren't the gun!" was heartbreaking because of George Newborn's great voicework. I really wish everything else was written with as much depth and passion of that line.
@Mother Hen I watched those series as a kid. When I said I wish everything else was written with depth, I just meant everything else in the game. Still love the game for the multiplayer, I just dont like the story.
But one thing that could've made that line more heartbreaking is if they gave Superman a demonic voice as soon as his eyes glow red.
George Newbern carried that line
@@speeddemonji9547 the voice cast carries the IJ series
@@motnurky7055 damn right
45:50 In Marvel's Age of Ultron (comic) during a chase sequence, Black Panther falls down a flight of stairs, breaks his neck and dies instantly. Seemed relevant somehow...
IRONIC
Wow. I can’t tell which character between him and Dick is treated worse for going out like this.
pious83 Dayum, and I thought Nightwing got mistreated. I feel sorry for Black Panther.
Can you link the panel where black panther died?
dang dude rip
Characters’ reasons for siding with the regime:
Superman: *finally snaps when his city is destroyed and he’s tricked into killing his own wife and unborn child*
Cyborg: *sees the authoritarian approach of the regime as the only effective way to permanently end crime*
Hal Jordan: *returns to the yellow lantern corps after seeing the power the regime weilds through fear*
Shazam: *naïve enough when he was still young to believe that what they were doing was necessary*
Wonder Woman: “fuck it! Praise Khorne”
Ah yes
_Warhammer 40,000_
eveyone else: *yeah let’s just start murdering our hero allies and random fucking villains because fun right???*
Nah she wantes Supes's D amd knew he would need a queen
Didnt they give her a new backstory to explain why shes different
Never realized Superman or cyborg were fascists.... 🥴
“Not my Atlantis” *throws stone slab at the other Aquaman
Not his, doesn’t care. Right?
@@Ramsey276one Not his, doesn't care. Right.
Wait ! Why is Regime Superman wearing a Superthong ?????
What do you mean thong, thats a diaper.
Why is regime wonder woman wearing clothes
@Ultimate Hedgehog soooo eviiiiiil
Jamie
Lethal pelvic thust
Because he fucks and he wants tou to know it
I actually had a dream recently about Injustice 3 taking place in a new timeline/universe where Batman was the villain instead of Superman
You can't have Batman be the villain if the hero isn't also Batman.
I agree with you on one thing that's getting tiring having Superman as the main villain for both of the Injustice video game series, and that DC/NetherRealm studios should either make Batman or Wonder Woman the next Injustice 3 video game.
Agreed (Maybe Bruce's plan to prevent another Superman situation goes too far causing him to become almost Snyder esque in how ruthless he is preventing another Metahuman threat)
But we already have an injustice 3. It's called Injustice vs Masters of the Universe and I'd rather an adaptation of that story be what wraps up the injustice story as it gives the story a surprisingly fitting end.
@@The4thSnake But you should be able to.
Fun fact, Aphrodite was originally a Goddess of War, and was even one of the main God's worshiped by the Spartans. She gradually lost this particular Diefic facet throughout major Greek worship, but when she was imported to Rome later on, she eventually got it back, so Diana invoking Aphrodite at a time of war, when Diana was from a warrior civilisation, does make a degree of sense. And I am willing to bet I put far more thought into this factoid of a comment than Netherrealm did with the story for Injustice
Mind blown!🤯
Bruh I never knew that
The only issue is that every other depiction of the greek gods in the injustice-verse is closer to an Athenian or modern representation, whereas Aphrodite is the only one whose invocation is linked to the spartan version
That explains the association between Love and War
@@sev1120 Very true. Like I say, I am convinced I put way more thought into it than the developers did lol
I definitely agree that they need to stop pushing Batman as much, especially when it defies logic
Shadow Stephen He’s not even the most iconic member of trinity, he’s only pushed so hard because of his raging popularity on the internet. Hell most comic writers of DC, including Geoff Johns, even talks about how important Superman is to the superhero genre. Just read Doomsday Clock...it basically confirms the DC Universe starts and ends with him.
@@savagelogic8674 Batman is for a long time most important in mass media, he has more movies and games etc. Superman may be important in some comicbooks, but I think he is the least popular now, when Spider-man and Batman have more spotlight, Batman has a lot of movies in cinema which people are basic they knowledge of characters, they same goes for Spider-man, blame it on movies that make Superman evil prick, but hey Batman was last true to himself when Adam West played him and that’s says a lot, Spider-Man at least is somehow the same, minus not telling how important his relationship with Ben was and Iron Man taking that position
I like Batman. But I agree, it's getting a bit old.
Injustice Batman is without a doubt the one version of the character I truly _despise_ with every fiber of my being. He takes the no-kill rule to the most ridiculous extremes of any Batman. Ever. Even to the point that he gets upset when Superman kills *Parademons.* Mindless, purely evil creatures that only know how to kill, maim, or destroy anything in their path. He will maintain his BS moral high ground even when he recruits HARLEY F******* QUINN, the nutjob that helped Joker start this mess by NUKING METROPOLIS. Going as far as granting her Justice League membership when all is said and done. She's not even really remorseful over her actions, she just mourns the Joker. While I hate Injustice "Wonder Woman" _almost_ as much (at least she's never depicted as being in the right!), my opinion of her did go up a little when she tried to kill Harley in the sequel. Batman refused to so much as comfort Superman, who has lost practically EVERYTHING, after he killed the Joker in the heat of the moment, but he pretty much bent over backwards for *Harley* of all people. The hypocrite can get bent for all I care.
@@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets Agreed. Most versions of Batman while strict about not killing have exceptions to it. Injustice Batman is so obsessed he'd probably let reality be destroyed to avoid killing.
I just love how much you hate Quan Chi.
Josue Speratti I actually agree with him that Quan Chi is a shitty Mortal Kombat character.
Light Yagami no he’s not
@@andrewquick4176 Shang sung better
Fwuffycodbunny I’ve always been a Scorpion fan.
Fwuffycodbunny his hate on Quan Chi is like mrgstar hate on Bo’rai’cho
Funny as well
The Injustice story, as it is, really needs Manchester Black. He's literally the perfect character for the story and they refused to ever even mention him. Damn shame.
Never heard of him can you please explain
@@visualkeifan2003 watch superman vs the elite
Didn't Superman lobotomize him or something?
@@1fishmob 1fishmob he kinda did to take away his powers but they came back eventually.
@@visualkeifan2003 bit late but Manchester Black was a part of, and leader of, the group known as The Elite. Basically meta humans who killed and villain that crossed their paths, eventually they met up with superman and tried to replace him and his values as a hero only to be beaten by Supes when he almost played the same way they did except minus the killing part.
eventually Black tried to get revenge by leaking Superman's alter ego to various villains and told them to go after all those close to Clark Kent in order for him to push Clark over the edge, even as to go so far as to fake Lois's death by Black's hand but that still didn't push him and then after that Black killed himself.
I hate how Batman is supposed to be able to defeat Superman because of his intellect, but it always just boils down to using Kryptonite. Its like drugging someone before you beat them in a fight. You have nothing to be proud of. You fought a severely handicapped man who would've easily beaten you if the fight was fair.
Cody Tropes it’s because Batman is the brains of the justice league while supes is the muscle. Yea Superman is smart but he isnt immune to being emotional. Batman isn’t either but when it comes to battle, Batman knows and does what needs to be done. IT’S HIS CHARACTER.
Batman: Ugh, I don't feel so good...
Superman: Yeah, that's probably because I infected you with polio.
B: WHAT?
S: Yeah, I've got to even the odds of our fight somehow.
B: But that's not fair! I feel so weak, I can barely stand up...
S: OH, BUT IF IT WAS A GREEN ROCK IT WOULD BE FINE, RIGHT BRUCE?!
I think that's more a problem with superman's character and powerset than it is with batman himself. Superman is just so powerful that tactics and strategy are almost meaningless in a one on one fight, and his weaknesses are pretty well established. What other option is there but kryptonite? Sure there's red sun radiation and magic but they serve the same purpose, handicapping superman by weakening him.
Tell me how the fight could possibly be fair with Superman using superpowers when Batman cant. It gives Superman an unfair advantage.
It's nothing like that. If it was, say, you or me against a prime Mike Tyson it might be more accurate. I mean...would you not want to give yourself any advantage you could if the odds were so heavily stacked against you?
Hell, most of the time Bats has a crack at Supes before he relies on the Kryptonite and generally gets nowhere fast. He tries to give himself no choice but to use Kryptonite, but Superman is so powerful that, before long, Batman is forced to even the odds. It doesn't take a genius level intellect to tell you that, if nothing is working, you need a change in tactics. Batman generally alters his tactics multiple times before resorting to Kryptonite because he just isn't a match for Supes.
Superman can see him through solid objects, hear him move and reposition himself, hear and react to the clicks and whirs of Batman's equipment as he activates it, destroy inhibiting or detaining gadgets normally designed for his strength purely by giving it 'a little more power' and so much more. Essentially, Superman has an in-built counter to just about anything Bats will unleash at him...without the assistance of Kryptonite to mitigate this advantage. The guy is just too powerful for Batman.
Also, to an extent, you've gotta give credit to Bats using Kryptonite in a bunch of creative ways against Superman instead of just showing him a green, glowing rock and having him weaken.
Bruce Willis should have sued NetherRealm for using his likeness.
Lex luthor looks like bruce willis
they used the likeness of john cena in mk9 for stryker
@@CRAZYMUGMAN At least stryker was badass af
The Injustice story gets praised so much and I can kiiiiiiinda understand it, but there's just far too much Bat-jerking. I've said before it'd be so much more interesting if Batman was the "evil" one.
The core premise isn't even interesting. "Evil Superman", "Superhero Civil War", "Batman vs Superman" and "Batman vs the Justice League" are all woefully overdone by themselves. Putting them together doesn't make them any more interesting.
@@The4thSnake it's not interesting for you, but it's interesting for alot of people.
GroovyGreaser well, if batman was evil, he would be beaten a lot more easily and the game wouldn’t be very large scale
@@ZIGM1NT batman wouldnt get beat very easily as its known that he researched all heroes weakenesses and always have them in hand in case and i think it would of birthed a more interesting premise that a "mere human" becomes a gigantic threat to all superheros instead of a raiden 2.0 story of the mk current timeline
@@ZIGM1NT Funny how that works out. When Batman is cast as Antagonist, people remember Batman is human. Any othertime hes basicly Batgod.
How Diana is literally useless in the Injustice universe is... Atrocious. She basically did almost nothing the entire time and is just there because fans. when Superman turned evil, Wonder Woman for some reason just decided 'Ya know, screw it, I'll join Superman for no reason!' Like, really? No WONDER you were called the Rebound Girl...
Also your talk of Netherrealm's Catwoman, thank you..! Thank you so much! Finally someone who sees what I saw and knows they butchered her!
As far as I know, she's more willing to kill (if she thinks necessary) than the most other mainstream DC superheroes.
Well... If you read the comics you'll see that WW is the one that set clark in dark path. She's the "Superman should conquer earth" mastermind.
I’ve ALWAYS thought the Diana would be the one to stand against Superman not Batman
Catwoman was done best in the Arkham City game, especially in the challenge mode where you can use her acrobatic fighting style to take out dozens of goons.
@@rayq.7542
In injustice her origin is a little different
The thing about the lead lined Bat-Cave, it shouldn't work because in one story where Superman fights the Joker, Joker puts Superman's friends in lead lined coffins hidden in Metropolis. Superman is able to find them because lining something with lead doesn't make it invisible to Superman's X-Ray Vision. On the contrary, they stood out from the rest of the city because Superman couldn't see through them.
That's actually a good point I never thought of before
I mean I think that just buy time, of course Superman know where the bat cave are, however he can’t see that Batman is there or not, for he can be everywhere at the moment.
That being said I notice that the story feels really close to Cry For Justice. Not only for how Superman is like Hal Jordan with his idea of a pro active super hero team, the super villains getting tortured or killed, and the shock death of a child character but also the stupidity of the heroes charging at him with no plan to fight him without getting hopelessly crippled. It is just like the JL charging at Prometheus, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern what did you think would happen? Even the way the villain is defeated is just as stupid and it makes what the heroes do to stop him lazy if all you need is your own Superman or in Cry For Justice, an ordinary arrow.
I wish they'd choose a GOOD story to rip off.
Batman vs superman as a concept is just dumb.
For one, it's a complete mismatch, and I say that even though batman is my favourite DC character. He's got no fucking chance against a force like superman, and all the contrived reasons they give for why he would win just cheapens both characters.
On top of that, their ideologies are so similar that their reasons for fighting were so weak, to the point where Zack Snyder's piece of shit BvS movie is the first iteration of this matchup to give them an actually good reason to fight.
Edit: oh and I just realised that the same goes for Iron Man vs Captain America
When Zack Snyder’s Batman vs. Superman had a more probable fight than others, you know they mucked it up.
My favorite thing about the Injustice, is the Flash’s story. He has such an awesome arc from being good, have conflicting ideas, then finally became good again.
Too bad they fucked that over in the animated movie...
You wanna talk about Wasted Plotential in game?
Joker, the man who’s actions kicked off the entire games story by killing Superman‘s entire family, more or less comes back from the dead, and never once does he interact with Superman.
hey... you're right! What the hell?!
And they keep putting him in the damn games regardless of what happens previously like please
If your not gonna at least make him a decent character to use don’t put him in
@@thedeed8740 It's like how the Arkham version of him shouldn't have been in Origins and Knight but still was. Origins should have been set before Batman and Joker met and Knight should have just had him mentioned by other people and explored his death's effects on Gotham. The Batman and 4 random people infected with his blood plot was pointless.
“In terms of story the sequels f**ked”
the4thsnake in injustice 2 critique: “The story is easily the best story netherrelm has ever done”
I just find this funny.
But that's not saying much in terms of 4thsnake's critique.
The Spectre true
@@udontfeelsogood9037 no but atleast was an attempt, and compared to Mk11 was better
Gabriel the gaming king
He still hated it.
Though that was at least a cryptic perspective first-hand.
Well... Flashpoint's whole story was that Flash screwing with time for ultimately selfish purposes leads to a bad ending for everyone on Earth. The whole moral of that story is to live and accept what happened and not dwell on past events you couldn't've changed. It was also a way to briefly explore slightly different scenarios for certain characters (like Bruce dying instead of his parents, or Kal landing in Metropolis instead of Kansas) without needing to dedicate entire comics to them.
Injustice is just "Hey everyone! What if... and get this... Superman becomes evil and fights Batman! Isn't that an innovative and unique concept for a story?"
Yeah when he brought up the flashpoint au as an example I heavily disagreed
And even after superman was kept underground and tested for all his life, he still tried to save his friends and acted much more like the superman we know even after everything they did to him
And worst of all, Zoom jerked Flash off at superspeed so it seemed like he nutted at just a woman's touch
Wait a minute.... Couldn't Regime Superman use his own version of a Cosmic Treadmill to go back in time and save Lois? The game even makes the Treadmill a plot device AND says that both universes are mirrors of each other so you can't tell me it doesn't exist.
Flash can also travel time by himself, according to his IJ2 super.
The4thSnake- in year 5 batman asks Barry to go back in time to change things but Barry refuses as he says there’s a possibility things will end up worse than it already is (referencing Flashpoint)
Yes and no. Have you seen flash point? The whole point of that comic is to explain the situation of time travel in the dc universe.
It’s not recommended at all because of the possible consequences of time travel. Bringing a lois from a different universe as twisted as that is, is a lot safer because it maintains the time space continuum
Imagine if he saved lois but then it created alternate reality where super man and lexs powers switch and lex became entirely evil
emarythomp- not to mention if flash goes back in time and changes something not only is the future changed but so is the past, due to a time boom according to Eobart
I forget the name of the comic, but it involved Booster Gold trying to prevent the Killing Joke from happening. It was deliberately stated that no matter how much you wish to change time, if something was destined it will always happen. Injustice vs Masters of the Universe had them literally try this and Lois in everyalternate time line ended up dying another way in ALL of them (car crash, land slide etc.). It wasn't an accident, it was fate, and that is something you canonically can't change in the dc multiverse.
You know what's very amusing? Tom Taylor, who wrote the Injustice comic for the longest time, also wrote Earth 2 around the same time. In Earth 2, he throws some real shade at Injustice, when the "evil Superman" appears in that book. He's not credited with writing of the game (that's NetherRealm) and so he was probably kind of stuck on the Injustice book, but it goes to show how much DC/WB are desperate for selling shock value to a wider audience.
Honestly, if they just wanted a game where the concept is heroes fights the heroes and some of the villains teams up with one of the hero teams they should have just had Starro be the main antagonist of the game.
Starro is underrated af
@@averagebat761 they even made a joke about that in Dark Knights: Metal
Because you have 2 options with a fighting game story
1 the generic no effort DBZ fighterz/dc vs mk style of mind control/evil clones of characters fight for little reason that nobody likes or cares about
2. actually try the mk 11 route and create a story and motivations that make the cut scenes have a point to watching and conflicts make some sense
When you fight superman at the end you want to hand him his ass but you kinda just want the story to be over for dc vs mk
People talk more about how they want to bang android 21 than they do for their feelings on the plot because there was basically none, and whether you think I'm referring to their feelings on the plot or the plot itself is up to you
@Dylan Sharp well in all fairness I just saw the "movie" on TH-cam and didnt play the game
@Dylan Sharp it felt like one of the better stories in a fighting game which isn't a high bar to begin with but I was relatively interested in the plot and the ending was unexpected
It was better than any of the live action ones at least
I'm very 50/50 on the Injustice universe. On one hand, its brimming with potential for a darker storyline, one that the comics really take advantage of (ignoring the game of course) On the other hand, the Batman v Superman thing is so played out. Even as a kid, I didn't like it, and I didn't even like Superman at the time. (Also side note, its so annoying how writers act like Superman has such a short temper?? Like Superman is the chillest guy around why do all these AUs make his spirit so easily broken) Plus all the character deaths in the first game DEFINITELY hurt the second game, and it really shows imo. I really like your idea of Batman v Wonder Woman, with Batman being the bad guy, I think its a much more interesting unique take on things and it makes the conflict a lot more real and less black and white, especially if Batman made an exception for common criminals since "they aren't as big a threat" Then again I guess Wonder Woman v Batman doesn't sell lol. Hopefully some elseworlds comic will explore that idea, I'm optimistic enough to wait
bruh bcuz teh jokerz sed 1 bad dae can brake a dude lol
That's the actual excuse I often see for evil Superman being okay.
@@The4thSnake so few people seem to have actually read and/or understood The Killing Joke. The whole point of that comic is that the Joker is wrong, people don’t just go turning into psychopaths in one day
I personally liked The Batman v Superman thing. But after a while, I honestly got tired of it.
I am tired of Batman v Superman thing myself like I get why it’s interesting but it’s gotten old and I want something else like Maybe teen Titans vs Justice league ( yes Ik that’s been done in an animated film but it feels more like hero’s vs. Trigon) that to me would make a more interesting game as much as a film. Your free to disagree with me but I just feel it would change the formula just a little bit. And I just feel like Superman in this game is soooo our of character from chapter 10 to 12 because from the rest of the story he barely does anything. The point of no return for me was when he killed f@cking Shazam. I felt heartbroken 💔 when he did that and wanted him put down immediately. Luckily the ending puts him down in a justice league way and not a Zack Snyder way you know what I mean. Above all I don’t hate the story I just wish certain things were different.
@@The4thSnake still see it nowadays
Omg I thought I was the only one that hated when an opponent was beaten they just stood up again to then fall down, it just seems so stupid and not logical at all.
From watching your video I guess it's like they used the coding from mk games for the stand back up so you can do the fatalities and forgot you don't have that in the game so the code says stand up then fall down to end the match.
That's DC being protective. They didn't want their characters falling on their backs when defeated.
@@1fishmob Probably would have looked less awkward if they just made a special animation of them getting off their back to their feet or rolling forwards to stand up but ends in their face down position.
@@starkiller1289 That sounds pretty silly to me. If DC wants something their way, they'll get it. That's why MKvDC was toned down and why Netherrealm couldn't kill Captain Marvel as a boy.
@@1fishmob *shazam
Does that really matter?
Yet another character I would like to say is out of character is Black Adam. Black Adam HATES oppressive governments, his own home country suffered from one before he liberated it. So I find the fact that he would be part of the regime rather hard to believe.
If Superman HAD to be the villain in Injustice, wouldn't it make more sense for a Superman villain to cause a traumatic situation that would cause Superman to snap? Because you'd think that a Superman villain would want to mentally break Superman the most.
Exactly. They make Batman characters way more important to big scale shit like this than they have any right to be.
Could've used Mongul.
God forbid anyone other than Batman's rogue gallery ever get acknowledged as fucking existing.
That would work fine but I actually think it kinda works as is with Joker better still because while not a physical threat he is a sufficient curveball to Superman that I could more easily beleive Superman being tricked by Joker in that way than say Mongul, Brainiac or Lex, just because Supes knows them and how to deal with them fairly well already, Joker on the other hand not so much. Joker is also random and crazy enough that deciding to screw with Superman instead of Batman just cause still makes sense for his character, or perhaps he targets Superman to try and get to Bats through his friends, it's no secret that the Justice League Members are fairly close.
Disagree. It helps sew the seeds of hatred between Batman and Superman because it was Batman’s inability to kill the joker that led to him destroying metropolis.
This is my biggest gripe with the story: Batman is given WAY too much screentime (to the point where he even gets a fight in a chapter that's not his).
I feel like Dick Grayson should've been chosen to assist the Insurgency. It would've been awesome to see him fight alongside Insurgency Batman and see an epic showdown with Damian.
Or any other member of the bat family
Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Barbara Gordon, Stephanie Brown, Harper Row, Kate Kane, Luke Fox, freaking Ace the Bathound would've been good
Oh hey Doomsday I'm just fighting Superman oh that's fine other doomsday I'll just sit here and watch
😄😄😄
It's actually strangely (pun intended) in character for Hugo strange to just stand and watch batman while he fights deathstroke, taking notes as he watches.
But he’s not even watching. He’s just like walking awkwardly around not paying attention.
I want a crime syndicate game now
Solid Snake Welp, LEGO DC Super Villains is out now.
Yes. The MK VS DC Joker is seriously underrated. Plus, he is much funnier than many other versions of the character.
yaaaahhhh...no xD
It's true, he's overshadowed by the fact everyone else is shit in that game
Joker isn’t suppose to be funny.... he’s maniacal
@@adrianmontero1611 he could be both.
@@applebottom5793 "Yeah".
30:06 You could say the same thing about Harley Quinn. I absolutely hate how she got off scott free after helping Joker drive Superman nuts and Batman just doesn’t say a word. Total hypocrisy, and yet no one on the Regime brings it up
I literally realized just this moment that Mister Miracle's name is a pun... "Scott Free"... I feel so stupid...
I absolutely despise Marvel Zombies for the reason you mention towards the start. It's violent and dark just for the sake of it. Granted, it fits with the concept of a Zombie story, but I've never wanted such a thing to occur in a Marvel setting. It's not like the story's any good either, whether you look at it as a zombie story or a Marvel one, it's pretty trash. It only tells me that someone at Marvel has a hard-on for intense violence.
The Deadpool Kills series has a similar problem, but at least I got to see the real Deadpool off that dude.
When I heard the plot summary I fucking laughed on how dreadful it was, and I was 6 by then, I'm 11 now
Still why and how did Ghost Rider get infected.
@@ShiftyGuy777 He probably was infected in human form. Thats the only logical explanation
At least Spider Man got treated properly in that story
I mean, at least Marvel Zombies is meant as a dark horror-comedy. Stuff like Future's End, Flashpoint, and Injustice all want you to take it seriously.
Okay so… I was convinced that Tim Daly was the VA for Superman in this, and after spending a few minutes researching, I realized that they sound almost identical. It’s uncanny.
Tim and George’s differences are only ever slightly noticeable when you actively compare both of them. Any other time it’s incredibly hard to distinguish both.
George Newbern took over from Tim Daly starting with the animated Justice League show.
Anyone else find it strange that flying characters just hover above the ground slightly instead of just standing there, thing is when they are hit they go to the standing pose anyway so just weird they hover centimeters from the ground.
Superman was quite a dick in the hands of neatherrealms, mostly, and i forgot all about this, but if not for Billy lex would of beaten superman so to repay billy's loyalty he murders him, sorry but this just made no fucking sense and this video just remindered me how absurd the story writing can get in this game.
this game also inspired Zack Snyder to make the DCEU to be Darker in his movies, you see elements of Injustice in Batman's Dream in Batman v Superman Dawn of justice.
I'm not even making this up, Zack Synder even said so in one of his interviews.
I’m going in to Snyder’s cut with skepticism
@@Galvatronover I didn’t watch it yet, but Snyder is like darker Michael Bay, he like grey stories and sad characters all the time, plus lot of fights and explosions etc, I liked the Watchmen movie, but when you gonna read it, he kinda missed the point, he made the fight awesome and them a little heroic, when Watchmen was amazing and fresh because then it was not very know to make characters into real humans without powers, minus Manhattan of course. He missed the point in that story and he truly misses the point in all of his super hero movies, they work great as alternative stories, but we always have this kinda psycho super heroes on screen for a long time
Kinda make some people think that maybe Zack Snyder shouldn't do superhero movies and NetherRealm Studios shouldn't do an DC fighting game, like... AT ALL!
The whole story of injustice can just end like this in year one
Dr. Fate: Superman I come to bargain
Superman: you will never beat me
Dr. Fate: I'm the sourcer supreme, my powers make Dr. Strange look like a Birthday wizard, and that guy can pop out supernovas, also you are weak to magic and I'm *MAGIC*
Yea he could literally destroy superman
I would have liked it better if the Regime Superman universe was just the alternate universe, and the next game takes place in the normal universe where Supes didn't become a Nazi and that whole thing is just talked about as something in the background while the normal universe is the one that has to fight off a double-invasion by Braniac and Darkseid.......
Regime universe Scarecrow always made me angry and confused. He died by Joker’s hands, then came back in Year 5 in the comics, and returned in Injustice 2 as part of Grodd’s Society. Consistency, what is it to Netherrealm and DC?
At the very least, the comic staff acknowledged the flub as an error, even if they didn't offer up an in-universe explanation.
@@The4thSnake
I've been thinking about the whole scarecrow being in injustice 2 thing, take it with a grain of salt cause they never confermed it yet but in my head canon is that that in injustice 2 (and possibly in the year 5 comic) that's not Jonathon crane but a different person using the identity of scarecrow, cause in injustice 2 they call nearly everyone their real names, likr Bruce, Diana, Clark, kora, snart etc etc
But they never call scarecrow Jonathan crane they just call him scarecrow (though I might be wrong, please tell me if I'm mistaken) also someone managed to look into the files and removed his mask in injustice 2 and it's safe to say thats not crane, he looks different compared to his year 1 design. Of course this is just my head canon until they reveal what's going on
@@torrashinjiro4196 I'm 4 years late but it's made pretty clear that ain't Crane, I think at the very least one or two people pretty much say "yeah you a faker"
I would have gone with Stalin since he was the "Man of Steel" and that's also Superman's nickname.
The reason on why he said Space Hitler instead of Space Stalin is because of the fact that in the Red Sun universe Stalin was Superman's adopted father.
Stalin is actually a decent human being, unlike Supes.
Uncultured Swine I don't know what kind of troll your suppose to be but alright
What, people can't like Stalin?
the "iron curtain"
When you realize 4thSnake wrote a Dark Knight Metal storyline before it was a thing.
How so?
@@guywholikesanimations1018 The whole "Alternate Villain being Batman" I think
The Civilian Populace was aware of Superman's evil actions since Year 3 of The Comic when he savagely heat beams Black Canary in the abdomen so, I don't really understand why they're surprised when Lex is later killed.
They also have plot in the comics where they try and show Superman incinerating a wear-house full of people by broadcasting it around the world but it’s stopped by Raven. And I just have to wonder what exactly would that do? The regular citizens already hate him it seems and it’s not like they would be able to do anything against the regime anyway.
Cause they were best friends
The4thSnake: who gets into a series and wants to see the characters die for basically no reason?
Danganronpa fans: (⊙_⊙;)
Jojo Fans: ...
I mean in danganronpa and Jojo they die for a reason (Well with some exceptions. Yeah Stone Ocean was shitty AF)
But here they die because they can die and do it in the most ridiculous way possible.
@@Mark-tq7bf Let me guess,you didnt got the reset?
@@vcsa681 ? No, I understand how the (Kind of) reset goes what I said is that the deaths didn't feel you know. Important. They were just there to have kills and make the scene "More serious" or larger but to me it was just another page.
Also F.F. and Jotaro could have survived what happened to them easily like. Wtf you can just punch the knifes while grabing one, throwing at Pucci and that's it. (And F.F.'s way of surviving shouldn't be explained)
@@Mark-tq7bf Because Part 6 jotaro doesn't have his plot armor anymore,plus people seem to forget it but MiH moves in literal lightspeed
Also,F.f died way earlier when her body was pratically destroyed
The story wouldve been fine if the writers didnt kill everyone and wrote the story so that the injustice universe just solves its own problem instead of having to call on another universe.
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You would hate it if you like MK
@@evantaylor2935 Snake loves MK tho
1:19:14 - How did I both get triggered and agree 100% percent at that Death Battle statement? Like, as a fan of Death Battle, I'm not even mad, I'm just impressed.
Actually is like 1:09:13
And for the yellow belly situation I agree, I read green lantern comics heavily and I'll admit it was cool at first until I put it in a comic fan view that green lantern isn't green lantern, even when Hal was at war he didn't risk his friends or the corp for casulities of war, doesnt matter if he has the yellow ring, Sinestro at times even showed some care when his Corp is attacked and beaten even atrocious does that shit and now Hal Jordan the so called good guy doesn't show any emotion, just shows why he's just called yellow belly.
The fact that they made Doomsday of all characters, look like a joke.. Is just sad.
NRS’s writers keep making questionable life choices, don’t they?
I got to disagree with your point about hating elseworld stories. I'd assume why so many characters die is to make the story more dramatic now that they can do something such as kill off Spider-Man or make Superman evil without messing with main canon. I love Batman: White Knight and shit like Marvel Zombies.
EDIT: Also, Superman was arguably the good guy in Dark Knight Returns
But when it happens all the time, it loses all impact and there's no drama anymore.
I think the fact that it's in an alternate timeline in this first place is so it doesn't impact any of the main continuity. It's just an excuse to tell interesting stories and you can still care about the characters in the alternate world. Like in Spidey 2099. Has no impact on the main universe, but people will still care about the characters.
I can understand Marvel Zombies turning a huge chunk of characters undead, and doing stuff with the changed characters. As a high concept of (Zombies infest the MU and ruin everything)
Flashpoint kills off a large chunk of characters, but often after we understand that their lives are pointless. Flashpoint is about time travel weirdness caused by trying to save someone. Some character deaths would make sense, but it seems weird to force the setting to kill of its character, when you can just write that the flash has to do something that may or may not break reality, but will prevent a bad actor from doing bad things. Or that someone makes the choice for him, and kicks flash out of the setting in the process.
To me some elseworld stories are interesting some arent depends on the story for me
The4thSnake well what exactly do you want the writers to do? Batman and Superman are their most popular characters. They are the FIRST 2 that made DC what it is, including Wonder Woman. It makes sense that when things go sideways, the 2 “Leaders” would be the ones to have to settle things. I wouldn’t want my soldiers being the ones to tell me how to achieve victory. I would leave that up to the leaders.
the real line that should have open the game by lex was "I told you!!!"
I feel like the people who like the story tend to do so because they genuinely believe the "all it takes is one bad day" spiel, and genuinely think that even people as good hearted as Superman could heel turn that much if something that bad happened to them. I think a lot of whether you'll like the story comes down to how much you buy into that idea, which I absolutely do not.
It’s funny because the entire point of TKJ was that the “one bad day” thing was entirely wrong and Joker was just an anomaly.
But really, I’d buy Superman maybe giving up heroism after such a colossal disaster, but to suggest he’d become this monstrous implies that he was already tiptoeing the line which is ludicrous to suggest for one of the most noble and pure hearted heroes of all time.
@comiccinema8177 Still nobody has ever topped Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow in that regard
@@comiccinema8177I agree. Not every character has to become evil after their one bad day. For example, the protagonist from… **checks notes** Rurouni Kenshi.
Bro Superman was forced to murder his own wife and son and watch pretty much everyone he every knew in metropolis god knows how long get vaporized because of some nut that literally gets out of jail every other weekend and keeps murdering people. Idk I feel like it’s pretty reasonable for a guy who can do what he can to decide “ I can literally move faster than light why do I let this happen over and over with countless villains. How many lives have been lost because I didn’t kill these guys the first time they did some evil shit”. Like.. he doesn’t murder innocents immediately like some monster in the comics it’s really slow where he’s first only stopping wars and taking dictators out of power then as time goes by he takes it further and further never taking time to grieve and think and getting pushed further and further by Wonder Woman and others. Like there’s this whole sce pen where he plays chess with flash early on and you can see the escalation. It’s like y’all just see a ton of views on a video and assume every point is correct and don’t do any research then act like authorities on the matter
@@comiccinema8177no one's pure hearted everyone has a dark side but Superman is a literal boy scout.
The moment that ruined MK9: Sindel killing everyone
The moment that ruined Injustice: Superman killing Shazam
The moment that ruined MKX: The Cage power plot device
The moment that ruined Injustice 2: Wonder Woman being a jerk again (I think)
The moment that ruined MK11: Dark Raiden's death
Curious but what is the Cage power plot device? Just wondering.
@@stefanradebach2889 their war cult powers
@@MattSayYay I guess this has something to do with Johnny Cage being decendent from a Mediterranean cult that made warriors for gods although i'm not sure what this has to do with ruining MKX? A bit more explanation would help.
@@stefanradebach2889 It's something that really felt like it came out of nowhere. Sure, this was also dropped in the bio of MK9, but that's still like, 9 games into the series. Johnny has always had the green aura, but it feels like they made it effective against gods literally just so him defeating Shinnok was actually kind of reasonable. It doesn't even get brought up again in MK11's story!
@@MattSayYay Yeah i can see why it feels like it came out of nowhere and truth be told why did there have to be a reason for Johnny Cage's powers? Liu Kang can shoot fireballs, add flame energy to his attacks and do that bicycle kick yet nothing has been said as to why he could do that? Honestly it's easier to just say that it's magic that anyone can do if they train hard enough in the MK world.
Although given that Johnny Cage emits green energy when he does the dash kick and flying elbow move that look similar to Shao Kahn's green energy attacks it would be rather hilarious if Cage was revealed to be Shao Kahn's son with Sindel.
34:57... why not both? Have Maxwell Lord provide the nuke, the kryptonite-laced fear toxin. This could be a reaction to Superman fighting and resisting mind control. Still, this works better as a contingency plan. This way Supes has some redemption and agency, while it discovering Joker drugged him what pushes him too far. THAT is what makes it possible for Lord's mind control to successfully take root.
I agree
Seem like a interesting idea.
Fun Fact: Remember when you said you play as Batman again? Yea, in total from both Injustice games, you add 9 (Injustice: Gods Among Us) and 12 (Injustice 2), and you get 21. Yes, 21 TIMES. They really love Batman
As stated the other heroes would have joined batman. Well except raven who at this moment has gone full demon and killer frost because she doesnt care. Ya know whats sad grundy is more shook about his death then anyone else.
Exactly. How does Grundy care more than Cyborg, Hawkgirl or Wonder Woman?
@@The4thSnake This is explained in the plot. Batman tells the real/non-alternate heroes that most of his world's heroes obey out of fear for their own lives or their allegiance was bought out. Or they have simply "lost perspective." In Flash and Shazam's conversations we see that "lost perspective" where Superman's new direction seemed like justice at first, but now things have clearly gone beyond out of hand. Assuming these former hero underlings of Superman aren't as insane as he is, my guess would be they initially obeyed his commands out of inertia (JL has always been a team, so why stop?) or respect for their friend, or self-preservation after seeing what happened to Green Arrow. But over time, they can't live with themselves so try to rationalize their actions under Superman. That's presumably what Shazam and Flash did. Eventually however it reached a point where they simply could not justify the actions Superman was doing. No amount of mental gymnastics could interpret his madness as for "the greater good," at which point they defected.
Mr. JustAGuyWithALightsaber exactly. Couldn’t have said it better myself. It seems people want to ignore plot when it suits their criticisms.
Well, that's the point of the scene. To show how truly far these heroes have fallen. There are real life examples of good people who upheld morals like superman only to become horrid dictators.
This is the real Everything Wrong With Injustice.
Don't even get me started on the comics...
Batman: "Hey, Zatanna, one of the most powerful magic users in DC universe who can beat a whole planet of Supermen by just wearing a rookie protective charm and saying "Emit fo dne eht litnu namrepuS epar syeknom dnasuoht a", serve as my teleporter bitch so you can get me in and out of battlefields where I can try to punch Superman in the face with my Hammers of Justice, together with my best friend - John Constantine, a magical swindler who doesn't even belong in this comic whatsoever but he'll take the spotlight over your fishnet ass even though you ARE a DLC character in the game and he is nowhere to be found... Everything clear? Good! Did I mention I'm Batman? Because I am...!"
Imagine thinking zatana could beat Superman
@@yeetmeister2762 She could EASILY. She once beat the corrupted version of Grant Morrison THE WRITER of the story it happened in.
Constantine can beat Superman with a low-level protective magic charm, let alone Zatanna
DAHAKA, GUARDIAN OF THE TIMELINE Superman can move faster then thought. Zatanna got taken out by deathstroke with one hit to the stomach, how is zatanna gonna say a spell when she punched in the face before she can even think of saying it.
@@yeetmeister2762 She doesn't have to say anything. All she has to do is wear even the simplest protective trinket, something even less competent than her standard equipment would suffice and Superman has no defense or offense against that.
Also, could you PLEASE, never ever bring up Identity Crisis in front of a DC fan EVER AGAIN? You know, the event where WALLY WEST got beaten by Deathstroke placing his swords behind him and the fastest Flash ever known who's supposed to perceive time and react in attoseconds just ran into them...
Also, even in IC (which is the worst BTW), Deathstroke identified Zatanna as the most dangerous member of the JLA, Hal Jordan has repeatedly said the same thing.
Also, Zatanna doesn't NEED to say a spell. It's a common misconception, she uses word magic merely out of respect for her father and has never really needed to speak to use spells. She also has superhuman anatomy to the point where she's survived entire fights with a slashed throat so she's not as easy to put down as one would think.
Superman's only defenses and offensive means against magic users are the ones ZATANNA provided him with. Nobody except a stronger magic user can properly fight a magic user in DC. Also, Zatanna has tagged the likes of Lobo and a bunch of supernatural demons with her word magic, her speech is not as slow as you'd think. Even if you robbed her of every magical trinket imaginable to where she can't protect herself with magical means, she might still do fairly well against someone who's basically a common human when it comes to magic.
All it would take is a Kung Pow-style net made of magic to subdue Superman. Even a bullet could kill him as long as its conjured with magic. Once again, only a stronger magic user can beat a competent magic user in DC
@@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780 yes but Superman isn't a fucking idiot either and would be prepared
Biggest character question that's never answered: where is Wally West? The character so beloved that his death caused the entire justice league to become the justice Lord's in JLU. It's never addressed. Barry is here. Bart is here. Where's the guy who was the flash for 20 years?
New 52 got rid of him for a few years.
@@VicEntity the new 52 doesn't really factor into the injustice universe. a bunch of characters appeared in injustice that weren't in the new 52 like ted kord, as well as hawk girl and dr.fate only existing on earth-2 for a long time.
@@Lotties_handsaw Pretty sure Ted Kord is alive in the New 52, just retired. Also, what I am saying is that they followed the New 52 logic, as in if we have Barry as the main hero and Bart as the legacy character there is no need for the "in betweener" that is Wally West.
@@VicEntity Ted in the new 52 was as lot like Wally: he wasn't really mentioned until rebirth, at which point they were like "oh, he was therenthe whole time, you just didn't see him". Also I'd be willing to accept you're legacy character point, but they made a point of writing out all of the green lanterns except hal, all of whom are prominent legacy characters. Plus all the Robins are around. If they were running on "only include the main and the latest, there would just be dick and Damien. My guess is either nether realms wanted to save Wally for a future game or comic arc, or he just never came up when the writers were brainstorming. Leading towards the latter. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think he was intentionally left out
The Prime Joker using more villains to accomplish his plan lowers the odds of it succeeding and heightens the odds of the heroes finding out about it before he was ready.
The regime Joker did everything himself, and was successful because nobody knew what he was up to, and had no chance to stop it.
So there's one plot contrivance fixed for you.
so why doesn't The Flash just go back in time to stop all of this from even happening? he CAN do it, it's even in his Injustice 2 supermove when he goes back in time to smack his opponent against a pyramid and a dinosaur. did they just get laz- oh wait.
I think why flash didn’t time travel is because of flashpoint where Barry save his mom but cause world war 3 between Aqua man and Wonder Woman Superman never being Adopting by the Kent’s or Bruce being killed in the ally joker being his mom or his dad becoming Batman
@@thewonderofu627 yet destroying pyramids is ok
@@josephnewsome2935 time travel is weird but that’s a super movie so it doesn’t technically count
The idea was that the regime versions of the heroes are the inverse of the heroes in the main comic run.
Inverse-Superman is a suppressor instead of an Inspiration
Inverse-Wonder Woman presses for violence and war instead of peace.
They just didn't commit to it.
Inverse-Batman, while being more trusting in his friends than in the main run, is still a contingency plansmith edgelord.
Fully agree!
You have great videos but I disagree with a lot of your points.
That's fine. I appreciate you watching and not overreacting to differing opinions. You're pretty good.
They are well made and he goes into detail and explained very well but, I just haven’t seen one thing that he likes, like most people applauded this game and he is here just calling everything shit. To be honest I just want to know something that he likes
@@joshbennett7439 He hates *EVERYTHING* He just likes to whine.
Couldn't have said it better myself
@@SumDumGai5 exactly
Ugh...I have to agree on all the deaths. I read the whole leadup to the Injustice game and holy fucking shit I really had to steel myself to keep going...I love J'onn and Jon Stewart since I grew up with the Justice League cartoons. And seeing them killed so haphazardly and in such a hand wave motion was sickening. It's one of the only comic storylines I've read in its entirety so I can't help but feel bad for the fans of these characters that have to put up with this shit on the regular. Really I don't like death in stories and site Linkara as a good example of why. Paraphrasing, but in one of his earlier videos he says that "killing characters is wrong because that robs them of having the possibility of having future stories." Not to mention you're kinda spitting in the face of everyone that likes the character and in some instances WORSE depending on the type of death...Not saying you can't have it, but it should be considered a last resort and not just something you do for shock value.
Except as an else world story it doesnt rob any characters of anything since the main continuity still exists
I think death can be good for a story and comic stories especially since I prefer death to have meaning and weight rather than a revolving door or turning into plot armour where they can seemingly never die no matter what and those make me numb because one is death will never happen and the other is death doesnt matter so why do i care if they are in a fight ir conflict it has zero stakes
Since death of superman the only place death matters is in else worlds and what ifs
That's why I really love the current runs marvel is doing because they've integrated that into the stories, hulk and his group are now immortal and it is part of the story and gives new things to explore, the x men can resurrect mutants so the focus shifts to their new island home and the dangers to their new country and its place in the world moving forward as a new society like a more interesting genoshia and thor is addressing a character who was mostly forgotten and more of a after thought in a new way
Man the line "This THING is NOT superman" have me goosebumps
"THIS THING IS NOT SUPERMAN'
That's .. That's the point .. The game's called Injustice..
It wouldn't be so bad if he'd had a radically different ubringing, but he had the classic Suerpman life until Metropolis, same values and everything. And yet he became this monster. And every piece of Injustice media outside of this game hashim as the ONLY Superman. I also find it kind of disrespectful to make the character into a dictator, given the history of his creators.
I think they balanced it well with having the "original" superman from the other universe as to not be disrespectful. Also Superman has always been an emotional character, and I think they picked the right motive for him to change into a dictator. I agree that there are problems with the execution, but turning him into a dictator while having the other Superman that we're familiar with is acceptable.
I agree, to some extent. But no other part of Injustice canon has the benefit of true Superman to balance it out. Makes his round end victory pose in IJ where he does the pose seem really out of place.
The4thSnake you clearly don’t know DC comics like I don’t
Why the hell do ANY of you give shit, the characters were never good long before injustice was a thing.
I really disagree with your take in else-world stories being mindless gore fests. More often than not, truly great else-world stories are there to give a complete, standalone narrative that doesn’t have to be constrained by continuity, company mandates or suspension of disbelief via change in location or timeframe.
Also I find it ironic that you critique Kingdom Come for killing tons of characters in the end considering that whole story is a counter to needlessly dark and edgy story telling that was running wild in the 90’s comics industry.
I didn't know that was Jimmy Olsen in BvS until a few months after I saw it.
That's because they only name drop him in the Ultimate Edition.
@@tylerrichardson3034 That's really stupid.
@@angelosveloudos Overall, him being Jimmy Olsen doesnt really changed anything considering they had Jenny. So if they had to cut a couple seconds out of the film it's a good thing to cut out.
@@tylerrichardson3034 I agree but they wasted his character for no reason.
@@angelosveloudos Not really? Like I said, they had Jenny who was essentially Jenny Olsen. They just gave his name to a different character considering they were never going to use it.
If superman was evil and was smart about it realizing that batman is his biggest threat and takes him out first, he"d be fucked, Shure he allegedly always has a set of kryptonite brass knuckles, on him, but it only takes 1 second for superman to just get Batman's guard down and then bam heat vision to the head and we're done here
The only Regime character who is true to the source material is The Flash, who is also Ed Boon's favorite character.
Coincidence? I. THINK. NOT.
Really?
Ironic as he had the most pathetic death in the Injustice movie
He’s not even true to the source material. It’s nice he has a redemption, but I doubt Barry would have gone along with it for 5 years.
@@thatblueghost2296 Barry is somewhat selfish especially in flashpoint paradox.
@@jrloulanza6534 you say this as if Flashpoint isn't a story about Barry making a mistake and giving up his mother to remedy that. He tried to save his mom and inadvertaintly caused chaos. That's not selfish. It would be if he wanted to keep things the same
23:48 Trinity War took place in the beginning of the New 52 and resulted in the three Justice League teams fighting against each other. They don't know each other in this point in the timeline, and also they were under the influence of Pandora's Box. That's probably why they were so quick to fight.
Actually, after the Justice League came together they jumped 5 years into the future. So, as of the second volume "The Villain's Journey", the Leaguers have known each other for 5 years. Though, you have a point with Pandora's Box.
@@infinityalbi9840 well yeah the team themselves knew about each other, but the three teams didn't know about each other, Justice League, JLA and JLD. That's what I meant
@@vincentbillings6907 okay. Fair enough.
Oddly, avengers EMH had a similar episode where the avengers get mind controlled and its up to the vision to snap them out of it and the episode hints to consequences.
I don't really mind the story of superman being the villain and batman being the hero what does bother me is that they power down Superman so he can realistically lose to Batman but is still powerful enough to throw an entire planet into the sun and fight doomsday while still getting his ass beat by Alfred. The whole power pill storyline feels so inconsistent and makes Superman come out like a bitch who can get pimpslaped by anyone who takes a pill.
In the comic it's explained that Superman hasn't had a good challenge in so long, he's effectively become a fighter.
Kingdom Come Superman is 10x better then Injustice Superman.
KC Superman lost everything and still showed hope.
Yeah, they could've used Magog instead, maybe had him be the main antagonist rather than of making Superman evil for like, don't flippin' know how long!
*Sees Lego Dimensions clip at the end*
Oh that reminds me, can we get a line through time on the Lego games?
What is there to say about them?
Like, for example, what order does the Lego Batman trilogy take place? At what point in Sonic's life does he cross into the Dimensions storyline? How are the events of certain movies changed by Vortech's interference, like BTTF or LOTR? What's the deal with the contradictory Portal stories, in which if we go with the main story GLaDOS has her amorality core replaced with a mortality core, and if we go with the level pack Space core is put in charge of the facility? etc
I feel like that would be way too expensive to invest in. The only Lego thing I can think of that I could maybe discuss is Marvel, because maybe the Avengers one is the same universe as the others.
The4thSnake A line through time on the lego games would be boring and/or a waste of time. Dimensions plucks the characters from whenever with no continuity, apart from maybe Gandalf's part. Even then it doesn't have far reaching effects.
What would be pretty cool is a line through time for half-life/portal....
Interesting point on the Batman vs superman dynamic.
Thinking about it, Batman should have a storyline where he leads a regime or something that makes him evil.and remember that he knows everyone weakness. Maybe in an alternate world, he could find someway to make superman lose his power (similar to the supernova power)
That way superman is closer to Batman in terms of power. Assuming they still use pills
I disagree. If you know the comics, then you'd know SUPERMAN wins more battles than Batman has.
Also, I don't think how EVER you put it, Batman will never compare to someone who can physically move planets with brute strength, survive blasts comparable to multiple nuclear explosions unharmed and travel across the universe like it was walking down to the corner store.
I feel you missed the opportunity to call Regime Superman as Stalin; as that literally means Man of Steel, and is a much worse dictator.
It would be an insult to red sun Superman.
I think quite a lot of the games problems are fixed if it's changed from Prime Earth Batman to Prime Earth Nightwing.
It fixes the problem of Bruce being too important since he is sharing screen time with Nightwing. Not making Batman the most important person to ever exist.
It gives, Superman, Batman, Cyborg, Robin some interesting interactions that isn't possible with another Batman. They don't care that another Batman is here when Batman is still alive. You know what they would care about the guy that is dead that they were close friends with or Bruce having to talk to the son he failed to save. Nightwing gets his name from Superman. I can't believe the game didn't bring that up when they made Robin the new Nightwing.
The ending works better when it is Nightwing bringing Superman in. That's a huge character flaw in every version of Batman. He doesn't really trust people. That prevents him from stopping Superman until his son proves him wrong because Nightwing is in every way the ideal version of who Batman should be.
I am completely biased in this because Nightwing is my favourite character but I think it would have made the story better.
21:25 THANK YOU!!! Finally, someone else sees how badass this Aquaman is/could be.
Mobile Game Section: You forgot some of the flaws of those mobile games (downgraded graphics. No facial animations, a restriction that forces the player and the opponent to stay on one side of the field, etc), plus, they're also designed to force customers to buy a game console and the actual game itself for more content.
The rest of the video: You do have a good point about the story and gameplay. Who am I kidding? The video is all valid points overall.
Opinion: Why aren't you hire by NetherRealm, DC, Marvel, or any other company in the game, movie, or comic industry to be a story writer/editor, or even a art director? Sure, it's a different position, but you have a 95 percent chance of creating content better than most individuals.
What did you expect it’s on a mobile device of course it will have lower qualities than console
Oi,don't expect high end graphics in a mobile game . I disagree with you
I love how by the end of the story the flash is just left with fewer and fewer people in the watchtower. Cyborg and superman just peace out and I can imagine that flash is just there alone in the watchtower like well what now
I made a thread on Reddit once, discussing how Injustice Superman is NOT just a tragic experienced Prime Superman. He's given too many outs and too many people have made too many good points about his evil attitude for him to be so cliche villain. According to the comics, not only have most of the members of the Insurgency have tried talking sense into Superman but the Green Lantern Core, the Old God's, Superboy and the Teen Titans, and even his fucking parents! He straight up murders Oliver Queen because of a misunderstanding with his parents there begging him to stop. Not only that but the hologram of Jor El says "I'm sorry for what I have unleashed upon your world." I don't know who the fucking idiot writers were at WB that thought this was an accurate portrayal of ANY Superman, but a Superman they're trying to pass off as the same one from the Prime universe with some added trauma? If it were my story, I would have had flashbacks to times where I justice Superman was talked down from killing an opponent by Lois. Like, he's on the verge of killing Metalo and Lois just puts her hand on his shoulder and says "He isn't worth it." At which point Superman drops him and flies off with Lois. Not only would it establish that Superman has been prone to bouts of murderous rage, but that it was Lois that backed him down. With her gone, it would be easier to see the transition.
I would also complain how much of a fucking douche Injustice Insurgency Batman is to Regime Superman, but that would mean pissing off the batman fanboys who keep using the same arguments and not understanding nuances
In justice league war, batman was able to remove Hal's ring without him even knowing. For superman to force it off with super strength isn't a stretch. I mean, killawog stomped sinestros hand, breaking it and the ring.
Probably a bit of a stretch, but what if Scarecrow isn't Crane when he comes back? Maybe he had a protege that he was teaching about the fear toxin or a copycat admiring the method to his madness...
Perhaps even a side story where Scarecrow was ultimately saved by the Yellow Lanterns due to them admiring and benefiting from his control and weaponization of Fear.
Injustice 2 could have expanded on this idea with certain Lantern-styled gear pieces for him as well as some move modifiers adding fear toxin construct type moves.
However we can’t use “what ifs” if the writers don’t entertain the idea.
I'd like Injustice a lot more if the game didn't feel Mortal Kombat stiff in all of it's control and if the character designs weren't so terrible. The Batsuit has never looked worse than in Injustice and Woman Woman looks like a man instead of a beautiful woman. Every costume is too armored and bulky and just seems overly designed for the sake of being different than the canon costumes at the time the game was made.
To be fair. Even Tara Strong thought she was Raven in this game.
52:48 I love how creative the names he gives them are and then just straight calls superman hitler
I can't hear Batwoman's name without thinking of the CW show... And then I get sad.
In spite of having 2 previous comments I just realized something.
Rename the series to 'Elseworld' and boom, you basically have infinite sequels and story potential.
I didn't mind most of the problems but it was when Billy died and that no one cared that I had a huge problem
I 've seen this in many cases. A star wars kind of dark side, that when is crossed a hero becomes instantly and (almost) irredeemably a villain. Too easy...
Yeha, it's pretty unreasonable.
UltraBiPolarSyndrome!!!
Honestly, i think Flash/ Barry is very good in this game. He goes through so much pain seeing that the man he looked up to and respected is actually a heartless individual. He then leaves, actually expressing joy to see his dead friends, but still being afraid of Superman finding him
Here's a thought. If you absolutely want someone to go bad, remember that Billy Batson is just a kid and probably impressionable. The fact that he is a kid could even be used to keep Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman hesitant to fight him too hard.
The red son storyline is a perfect example of a good example of distinguishing a good alternate storyline from a bad one
Well up until the ending anyway, seriously what the fuck was that
I still feel Injustice is pretty much the lead up to the nightmare stuff in Snyder's Justice League movies. I just don't know if Snyder got the idea from the game or vice versa.
One thing i've always found unsettling about Regime!Superman is the fact that he wears the costume with that red part around the lower body area. Why? When this game was first released, DC Comics recently removed the red trunks from Superman's design, probably because they deemed them "outdated", or they got tired of people making fun of them all the time. It seemed that they were *ashamed* of the trunks, like ever making them an element of the costume was a horrible mistake that they had finally "corrected", even though they remained through all the changes in the world and the comic book landscape, along with Superman's personality and ideals. So, the fact that Warner Bros. and NetherRealm went and gave us a Superman costume with a part that references the trunks with the illusion of wearing them, and attached it to an unrepentantly evil incarnation of the character whom we beat up and thwart with a *good* Superman, who wears the "mature" and "with the times" look that they really wanted to sell back then, comes off as an unreasonable potshot at the Man of Steel's original artist and those who grew up with the old-fashioned design.
Maybe i'm thinking about it too hard, but circumstances of those days made the implications impossible to ignore. It's rather funny though, in hindsight, thanks to the trunks making a glorious comeback a few years ago. And hey, at least they got rid of the false trunks fabric (or paint) in Regime!Superman's Injustice 2 costume.
I prefer the trunks to stay, SuperMan should never care about what’s “cool” because he’s not here for popularity, he’s here to save humans
This is my favorite of your critique videos because it puts my problems with Injustice into words perfectly. With Mortal Kombat, even though the story isn't great, the characters at least still act generally like themselves revenants notwithstanding. But in Injustice, where I can finally play as my favorite DC hero Superman, it's not fun to see one of his two intros in Injustice 2 be him walking forwards in handcuffs before saying some edgy hitler drivel. I'm not even entirely against the idea of a big scary regime consisting of former Justice League members being the main conflict. But Superman and other heroes just go from themselves to supernazis just like that without any satisfying build up that would make me appreciate an evil Superman, Wonder Woman ect. Kinda just want a DC superhero fighting game with the heroes and villains just being themselves, story or not. Great review!