TLDR: Breakable objects count as combatants. Defeating combatants with any source of damage other than the Fighting Lion will grant a free shot. The reason the Fighting Lion alone granted itself a free shot in Breakneck is because I melee attacked the glass door. The stasis crystal situation is the one thing that still baffles me.
I think there is a stasis fragment who states that shattering are explosions. This fragment is supposed to enlarge the shattering explosion. I was also wondering how this weapon works, thanks for the info.
Again you bring insight, honesty and NO MENTION of glitches. Your attitude to getting accurate info and tireless hours of testing is admirable. Thank you Maven! I look forward to playing around with Fighting lion some more. Oh, um, can we PWEASE get a new build based on your new findings? PS I do not have issue with the glitches, I am just over content creators using it to milk views so this is really great to see.
This was absolutely outstanding work. This is why you are one of the best out here doing the heavy lifting. I am going to put this on the Stasis Hunter tonight.
One thing that made me happy about being your subscriber is that you are not a vulture TH-camr, you didn't make "content" teaching the recent exploit in Destiny 2, you became one of the few TH-camrs that I will continue to follow.
One thing I’ve found works really well with the fighting lion especially in pvp is pairing it with a weapon with sympathetic arsenal and it allows you consistent reloads when swapping back to fighting lion the combo for me is shoot fighting lion, get a kill with a sympathetic weapon, shoot fighting lion again, then reload the sympathetic weapon and repeat The weapon I use to do this is forensic nightmare and I have to say it’s one of the best builds I’ve ever made
Idk much when it comes to fighting lion but the new feedback fence rework might pair well with your findings. With the stasis aspect Howl of The Storm procing the armor charges with the feedback fence you get full armor charge and nearly full melee charge back. Might be something to try out as another option instead of stasis hunter.
Back in Season of Defiance, I remember using Fighting Lion when it was bugged to speedrun the Hypercurrent GM. Was my very first GM, and I was excited to see this weapon get some use (despite the fact it was basically an infinite ammo rocket launcher ofc). Noticed some of these things in the most bare of details and thought I was crazy, so I'm really glad you posted this. Thanks for the fantastic content as always, here's hoping Bungie takes a whack at a rework.
I tried learning to use this GL when I got the catalyst for it. I was going nuts bc I'd get a free follow up shot but couldn't get it to do it when I NEEDED it to do it. Lol. This explains a lot. Thank you!
Back when solar came out and was busted, I ran fighting lion, a shotgun, with peregrine grieves and was amazing. Every time I hit something, it would increase my reload speed, with a void loader was better and I would just spam the shots, I believe when you kill or hit something it increases the handling of your weapon so that's when I pulled out the shotgun
Have been slotting, then unslotting; reminding self this Weapon is unpredictable.❤ Your great. You've help to understand what I made no time to. Slotted fighting lion. Thank you maven
This looks like it might be a probability thing, with certain actions granting around a 20%-100% chance of getting an instant reload, combined with the ability to store a certain number of those instant reloads.
I think your idea of the rework is really good, fits in well with current destiny and the ui as well. Although to make it really Balanced maybe have some cooldown like 10 seconds before you can start stacking grenades again or maybe like one stack every 3-5 seconds.
Brilliant, played and played with the lion but would concede I was clueless to making it work in a solid way. Thanks Maven 1 of the best shares I've watch in a while. Excellent review... "👍"...
I love your videos, its obvious u put so much time and effort for others and I appreciate it. I follow other youtubers like aztecross, lucky etc but you are the only one who actually explore and find out new stuff. You are for sure Indiana Jones of Destiny :) much love and respect
When they stopped dropping finest matterweaves and farmed the rune chest knights on the moon I consistently got 2 shots when shooting the knight that spawned
If getting a melee kill or swapping your weapon and getting a kill with that weapon and swapping back is needed to consistently get a free round in the magazine, I really don't see the point when you could've just reloaded the FL in the same amount of time or less, especially if you're good at flicking your thumb to reload the second you pull the trigger as to reduce the reload time as much as possible. The best takeaway is sometimes, when the conditions are just right, while in the middle of a chaotic fight, you occasionally get a free round in the magazine but it's just not something that is easily repeatable in most situations. I like the idea of the FL and I pull it out from time to time but it's just not efficient and Bungie saw fit to continually nerf it into the ground because shotgun corner campers got salty, with the hopes that players will store or dismantle it and stop asking how the FL works. It Doesn't. It's a sh!t primary with sh!t damage. The Graviton Lance is better for add clearing with Cosmology. It's a pure troll weapon at this point.
Thank you so much, Maven this is the best video I have ever seen that explains anything I have ever seen. Well done!!!! I just started researching the fighting lion and you cut my Fighting lion research in Weeks.
not to mmarket another tuber on your channel but the tuber ( epicdefender) is a lion monster .if people want to see what lion really looks like in practice . this guy mains it in trials
Seems like this exotic need a rework mainly just clearing up the info on the weapon so it's not so confusing. Also even after the red bar enemy fix I still love using this thing with gyrfalcons.
I knew a couple of these, the hotswap to another weapon is what i thought you were meant to do. Then I'd noticed it was working when you damaged enemies with any sort of damage. Haven't run Fighting Lion in forever so the Stasis & Potentially Strand interactions are totally new & kinda awesome tbh!! Also, why is Howl of the Storm an Aspect & not just a Melee option!? It really should be an alternate melee IMO!
And in conclusion after all the testing still have no idea how this damn gun works... lol I wonder if you shot the fighting lion whipped out any other gun and shot the glass would it reload the fighting lion? it seems like anytime you break a destructible object you're getting your auto reload.
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TLDR: Breakable objects count as combatants. Defeating combatants with any source of damage other than the Fighting Lion will grant a free shot. The reason the Fighting Lion alone granted itself a free shot in Breakneck is because I melee attacked the glass door. The stasis crystal situation is the one thing that still baffles me.
I think there is a stasis fragment who states that shattering are explosions. This fragment is supposed to enlarge the shattering explosion. I was also wondering how this weapon works, thanks for the info.
Imagine taking 15 minutes to explain this.
@@kev0utit’s a deconstructed testing video, and on top of that OP was nice enough to give a summary.
That was awesome! Will you also test it in guardians? Or is the crucible anathema to you?
Again you bring insight, honesty and NO MENTION of glitches. Your attitude to getting accurate info and tireless hours of testing is admirable. Thank you Maven! I look forward to playing around with Fighting lion some more. Oh, um, can we PWEASE get a new build based on your new findings?
PS I do not have issue with the glitches, I am just over content creators using it to milk views so this is really great to see.
i have been wondering how the hell this weapon works for so long, this is legit the most interesting destiny vid ive seen in years.
There is a TH-camr called ChrisWithFightingLion or something and he understands how the gun fully works and explains in depth about it
Chris with the lion
@proutpower Yeah that's the one. He's great with it
This was absolutely outstanding work. This is why you are one of the best out here doing the heavy lifting. I am going to put this on the Stasis Hunter tonight.
Thx ^.^
Your content is so amazing! Really informative, great work on the extended testing ^_^
One thing that made me happy about being your subscriber is that you are not a vulture TH-camr, you didn't make "content" teaching the recent exploit in Destiny 2, you became one of the few TH-camrs that I will continue to follow.
Thanks for the compliment ^.^
As mostly being a FL main, I never could explain the reloading of this weapon, but I always knew kinda how it worked when using it.
One thing I’ve found works really well with the fighting lion especially in pvp is pairing it with a weapon with sympathetic arsenal and it allows you consistent reloads when swapping back to fighting lion the combo for me is shoot fighting lion, get a kill with a sympathetic weapon, shoot fighting lion again, then reload the sympathetic weapon and repeat
The weapon I use to do this is forensic nightmare and I have to say it’s one of the best builds I’ve ever made
Idk much when it comes to fighting lion but the new feedback fence rework might pair well with your findings. With the stasis aspect Howl of The Storm procing the armor charges with the feedback fence you get full armor charge and nearly full melee charge back. Might be something to try out as another option instead of stasis hunter.
Always bringing the best D2 content! Looking forward to trying with my Hunter renewal build!
great design from Bungie. Nothing better than a consistent weapon people can strategy around ROFL
Stasis crystals break just like the other things so it counts. Rapid final blows counts on destructible things as well.
Back in Season of Defiance, I remember using Fighting Lion when it was bugged to speedrun the Hypercurrent GM. Was my very first GM, and I was excited to see this weapon get some use (despite the fact it was basically an infinite ammo rocket launcher ofc). Noticed some of these things in the most bare of details and thought I was crazy, so I'm really glad you posted this. Thanks for the fantastic content as always, here's hoping Bungie takes a whack at a rework.
I tried learning to use this GL when I got the catalyst for it. I was going nuts bc I'd get a free follow up shot but couldn't get it to do it when I NEEDED it to do it. Lol. This explains a lot. Thank you!
Back when solar came out and was busted, I ran fighting lion, a shotgun, with peregrine grieves and was amazing. Every time I hit something, it would increase my reload speed, with a void loader was better and I would just spam the shots, I believe when you kill or hit something it increases the handling of your weapon so that's when I pulled out the shotgun
Have been slotting, then unslotting; reminding self this Weapon is unpredictable.❤ Your great. You've help to understand what I made no time to. Slotted fighting lion. Thank you maven
Outstanding research. I never used this exotic much mostly because I never got it to work well..may give it another try
Never once used this weapon because I can’t shoot a breach load GL to save my life (quite literally), but it seems really interesting
Thanks for all the testing! I scrolled for the DIM link so I could test it out. :
Truly love this GL. Hated it in yr1 and have grown fond of it over time.
In my testing of it I decided it was like harmony demo in my head canon and yes shatter damage counts as grenade damage.
This looks like it might be a probability thing, with certain actions granting around a 20%-100% chance of getting an instant reload, combined with the ability to store a certain number of those instant reloads.
Not sure about that, because in the stasis crystal part, it always worked on my 2nd shot after punching a crystal. It was never on the first shot.
Also, on titan, the bonk with a hammer, but I bet there is time between bonks it will reload. @@MavenPhoenix
I think your idea of the rework is really good, fits in well with current destiny and the ui as well. Although to make it really
Balanced maybe have some cooldown like 10 seconds before you can start stacking grenades again or maybe like one stack every 3-5 seconds.
Brilliant, played and played with the lion but would concede I was clueless to making it work in a solid way. Thanks Maven 1 of the best shares I've watch in a while. Excellent review... "👍"...
I love your videos, its obvious u put so much time and effort for others and I appreciate it. I follow other youtubers like aztecross, lucky etc but you are the only one who actually explore and find out new stuff. You are for sure Indiana Jones of Destiny :) much love and respect
This is it. I was looking for an excuse to use my fighting lion again but I just couldn't find a good one... thanks for sharing this
When they stopped dropping finest matterweaves and farmed the rune chest knights on the moon I consistently got 2 shots when shooting the knight that spawned
Great content, a real student of the game here. Much appreciated Maven, good work!
Awesome job!! I will definitely try it on my Hunter. Thanks.
this was so informative, and so fun to watch!
If getting a melee kill or swapping your weapon and getting a kill with that weapon and swapping back is needed to consistently get a free round in the magazine, I really don't see the point when you could've just reloaded the FL in the same amount of time or less, especially if you're good at flicking your thumb to reload the second you pull the trigger as to reduce the reload time as much as possible. The best takeaway is sometimes, when the conditions are just right, while in the middle of a chaotic fight, you occasionally get a free round in the magazine but it's just not something that is easily repeatable in most situations.
I like the idea of the FL and I pull it out from time to time but it's just not efficient and Bungie saw fit to continually nerf it into the ground because shotgun corner campers got salty, with the hopes that players will store or dismantle it and stop asking how the FL works. It Doesn't. It's a sh!t primary with sh!t damage. The Graviton Lance is better for add clearing with Cosmology.
It's a pure troll weapon at this point.
I just use rain of fire with double grenade launchers, allows me to launch 3 every time, and if I get rolling never stop.
Maven, I gotta admit you really rock. I’ve followed your vids before subscribing and had to subscribe your content is great and informative. Thanks!
thank u ^.^
Good to know! Fighting lion is always super fun to use. Thanks!
Can you please post an updated Ice lion build? Oh or link your build so I can try it out?
Just watch the recent Renewal Grasp video I did. I would definitely pair Fighting Lion with that build.
“I’m still just a mystery to you!”-Drexel
I think shattering the target caused nearby stasis crystals to shatter and thats what reloaded the gun.
Interesting, i have never used the FL (well, maybe once right after I got it). May have to break it out of the vault
use it with assassins cowl and weighted throwing knifes
So that should work Crazy good with necrotic grip
Noooooo envious assasin wow u got it
would the arc soul work with fighting lion? i have a feeling that it wouldnt cause the void one didnt
Sounds like this would be fun with a double grenade launcher build.
This is my favorite destiny 2 weapon.
Thank you so much, Maven this is the best video I have ever seen that explains anything I have ever seen. Well done!!!! I just started researching the fighting lion and you cut my Fighting lion research in Weeks.
not to mmarket another tuber on your channel but the tuber ( epicdefender) is a lion monster .if people want to see what lion really looks like in practice . this guy mains it in trials
so basically, add envious assassin to the catalyst (:
Its multi damage like the hit three target perks u know like a specific ambitious assasin
Thank u maven i have always wondered aswell 🤔
@Maven ..."Epicdefender" is a pvp god with fighting lion... He definitely knows how it works, lol
No shit, this video/build made me start up destiny (I got starcraft).
I know how it works! The grenade comes out of the gun and goes boom
great idea!!!
Thanks!
thank you
Thanks
Sry I missed this comment. Thank you so much!
Incredible.
Damn she's so smart
My favorite gun, still a mystery, but now a little less so :-)
This is great content
Seems like this exotic need a rework mainly just clearing up the info on the weapon so it's not so confusing. Also even after the red bar enemy fix I still love using this thing with gyrfalcons.
Can we say “rabbit hole” lol 😂
I knew a couple of these, the hotswap to another weapon is what i thought you were meant to do. Then I'd noticed it was working when you damaged enemies with any sort of damage. Haven't run Fighting Lion in forever so the Stasis & Potentially Strand interactions are totally new & kinda awesome tbh!!
Also, why is Howl of the Storm an Aspect & not just a Melee option!? It really should be an alternate melee IMO!
wow this is huge content :)
so an ambitious assasin with a cap?
When your years late to the meta
epic defender knows how it works haha
And in conclusion after all the testing still have no idea how this damn gun works... lol
I wonder if you shot the fighting lion whipped out any other gun and shot the glass would it reload the fighting lion? it seems like anytime you break a destructible object you're getting your auto reload.
Good idea. I have to try that. I'm guessing it would work.
Such a weird exotic
Unfortunately, your suggestion would break PvP.
I don't mean to be rude but most of this information is inaccurate
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