The Navigator would be a little better for me if I didn’t have to spend so much time shooting my teammate to give Woven Mail and if it would last any bit longer. If I can tap-fire for at least a half-second less for a longer buff, that weapon would see more uses
Yeah navigatior only works if you have comes and can tell your team to stop moving while you give them DR. Then you get most of the ammo refunded. I'm disappointed he didn't mention it's ability to sever though.
I think something that really benefits alethonym is that it gives ad clear people in raids an actual job to do besides clearing ads. Granted the only times I ever find ammo a problem is in master raids or pantheon
I'd argue weapons like Buried Bloodline (with the catalyst), Collective Obligation, Ergo Sum (wolfpack), and Two-Tailed Fox should at least deserve a mention. Otherwise great video, I'd love to see a tier list of support exotic armour as well :D
I'm glad you liked the video! I looked back at Buried Bloodline, and that's a good point! If I do an updated video, I'll make sure to include that one! Edit: I'm actually currently working on armor as well as perks/origin traits. I hope to have those videos out for you guys soon! Hope to see ya there! :)
My favorite Healer builds Titan - Precious Scars + Red Death / Precious Scars + Banner of War Warlock - Lumina + Boots of the assembler [I don't have No Hesitation + Speaker Helm]
No worries at all, those are all fantastic healing builds! Since I've been wearing my festival mask most of the time, I've been using Lumina + Assembler a lot lately!
Put both navigatior and deterministic chaos in B tier. Deterministic Chaos main value comes on void titan with controlled demolition for the same healing as a well of radiance for you and teammates. This doesn't work on solar warlock, but every other option is made for that so thats what makes it unique as well. Navigator is actually a pretty bad weapon, but for support you can apply sever so enemies deal less dmg to your team along with the woven mail which is only obtainable on strand or prismatic anyway, so to invalidate that and the grapple aspect is irrational. Like many other support weapons it requires you to have a certain team comp for maximum viability but the dmg output of prism hutbter grapple tether and strand titan is still a force to be reckoned with. Red death needs to go in C tier. Its okay in solo or just as a pulse rifle but its use as a actual support weapon to heal allies when it just has the same value as a healclip legendary makes nowhere close to s tier.
Thank you for the very well thought out and in-depth response! To address your points... Deterministic Chaos - While you're definitely correct, remember that these weapons are judged with the assumption that they're not paired with any particular build or setup in mind. Without including that rule, it would be easy to justify A or S Tier spots for most weapons. Navigator - That is a totally fair point. I should have taken sever into account more. Thank you for bringing that up. Red Death - I'd argue the value more so comes from the burst of restoration x2. It's essentially throwing a Solar Warlock healing grenade at your feet every time it procs. Though I see your point, and appreciate your input! Ergo Sum - I saw you mention this one in another comment. I didn't include it because I wasn't including weapons that require specific perks to become support weapons. The reason being that I plan on making a separate video looking at support perks/origin traits, so I hope to see ya at that video! Again, thank you for your comment and I appreciate your input! :)
I'm honestly hoping that the next support frame auto is on the kinetic slot. That way it opens the slot for the heal-lock to be the one carrying div or an energy dps weapon.
My new go to load out for day ones is the healing auto, cascade alh cataphract and euphony. Euphony procs cascade in one hit so i can have really good burst, or swap my 4th column perk to BnS for good total DPS. I used it for day 1 vespers. Otherwise a nice load out this season if you wanna go support is alethonym, healing auto and Vs chill inhibitor (the roll that banshee is gonna sell in 2 weeks.)
I agree with everything except Red Death. Why take up your exotic slot when No Hesitation does it's job MUCH better? I personally wouldn't even say Red Death is a good PvE weapon since it has no splash damage and with how common restoration and devour is, its self healing feels redundant. It definitely shines in PvP though
I've been using Deterministic... it is kinda bad. I'm really only using it as an anti barrier option because I'm running Stasis and the kit handles overload & unstoppable
I used it when I first ran Warlord's Ruin (pre-Prismatic) on my Strand Warlock. It actually wasn't half-bad then, dealt okay damage while applying Weaken, Volatile, and Sever (with Thread of Isolation). I think its biggest problem right now is that Weaken is just so easy to apply using any Void grenade, including on Prismatic, and you can get the Fragment to apply Sever as well.
Too bad the Trials rocket isn’t really accessible since it’s from… well trials lmao. Rolling with the new shiny envious arsenal and b/s, I could see it becoming meta and bringing gjallarhorn back into the light. Overall great video and valid points 👍
The most BS thing is as an adept it drops with double perks in right but never in left. Spent like 7 hours farming and best I got was air trigger + BnS/Bipod which I need to actually try out cause in theory I can hold 16 rockets total and then swap to BnS and just spam them in the air.
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The Navigator would be a little better for me if I didn’t have to spend so much time shooting my teammate to give Woven Mail and if it would last any bit longer. If I can tap-fire for at least a half-second less for a longer buff, that weapon would see more uses
Yeah navigatior only works if you have comes and can tell your team to stop moving while you give them DR. Then you get most of the ammo refunded. I'm disappointed he didn't mention it's ability to sever though.
I think something that really benefits alethonym is that it gives ad clear people in raids an actual job to do besides clearing ads. Granted the only times I ever find ammo a problem is in master raids or pantheon
great vid im happy i found and subbed to your little channel. here before you're famous 😼
I'd argue weapons like Buried Bloodline (with the catalyst), Collective Obligation, Ergo Sum (wolfpack), and Two-Tailed Fox should at least deserve a mention. Otherwise great video, I'd love to see a tier list of support exotic armour as well :D
I'm glad you liked the video! I looked back at Buried Bloodline, and that's a good point! If I do an updated video, I'll make sure to include that one!
Edit: I'm actually currently working on armor as well as perks/origin traits. I hope to have those videos out for you guys soon! Hope to see ya there! :)
Eegosum Wolfpack is a good mention cause every team needs one for 2nd in SE.
Great vid! I'm happy to hear I already have most of the good weapons unlocked. Div may be my next, considering I need to do more raids lol
Yo wsp, great video man. Honestly I agree with all your points. Keep up the great work, I see great potential in your yt channel! 😁
My favorite Healer builds
Titan - Precious Scars + Red Death / Precious Scars + Banner of War
Warlock - Lumina + Boots of the assembler
[I don't have No Hesitation + Speaker Helm]
No worries at all, those are all fantastic healing builds! Since I've been wearing my festival mask most of the time, I've been using Lumina + Assembler a lot lately!
Put both navigatior and deterministic chaos in B tier. Deterministic Chaos main value comes on void titan with controlled demolition for the same healing as a well of radiance for you and teammates. This doesn't work on solar warlock, but every other option is made for that so thats what makes it unique as well. Navigator is actually a pretty bad weapon, but for support you can apply sever so enemies deal less dmg to your team along with the woven mail which is only obtainable on strand or prismatic anyway, so to invalidate that and the grapple aspect is irrational. Like many other support weapons it requires you to have a certain team comp for maximum viability but the dmg output of prism hutbter grapple tether and strand titan is still a force to be reckoned with. Red death needs to go in C tier. Its okay in solo or just as a pulse rifle but its use as a actual support weapon to heal allies when it just has the same value as a healclip legendary makes nowhere close to s tier.
Thank you for the very well thought out and in-depth response! To address your points...
Deterministic Chaos - While you're definitely correct, remember that these weapons are judged with the assumption that they're not paired with any particular build or setup in mind. Without including that rule, it would be easy to justify A or S Tier spots for most weapons.
Navigator - That is a totally fair point. I should have taken sever into account more. Thank you for bringing that up.
Red Death - I'd argue the value more so comes from the burst of restoration x2. It's essentially throwing a Solar Warlock healing grenade at your feet every time it procs. Though I see your point, and appreciate your input!
Ergo Sum - I saw you mention this one in another comment. I didn't include it because I wasn't including weapons that require specific perks to become support weapons. The reason being that I plan on making a separate video looking at support perks/origin traits, so I hope to see ya at that video!
Again, thank you for your comment and I appreciate your input! :)
I'm honestly hoping that the next support frame auto is on the kinetic slot. That way it opens the slot for the heal-lock to be the one carrying div or an energy dps weapon.
I am 100% with that! A kinetic support frame auto would complete a lot of builds for me.
My new go to load out for day ones is the healing auto, cascade alh cataphract and euphony. Euphony procs cascade in one hit so i can have really good burst, or swap my 4th column perk to BnS for good total DPS. I used it for day 1 vespers. Otherwise a nice load out this season if you wanna go support is alethonym, healing auto and Vs chill inhibitor (the roll that banshee is gonna sell in 2 weeks.)
Great video❤ , thank you for the guideeeee
I agree with everything except Red Death. Why take up your exotic slot when No Hesitation does it's job MUCH better? I personally wouldn't even say Red Death is a good PvE weapon since it has no splash damage and with how common restoration and devour is, its self healing feels redundant. It definitely shines in PvP though
This is totally fair, and I appreciate your input!
I've been using Deterministic... it is kinda bad. I'm really only using it as an anti barrier option because I'm running Stasis and the kit handles overload & unstoppable
I used it when I first ran Warlord's Ruin (pre-Prismatic) on my Strand Warlock. It actually wasn't half-bad then, dealt okay damage while applying Weaken, Volatile, and Sever (with Thread of Isolation). I think its biggest problem right now is that Weaken is just so easy to apply using any Void grenade, including on Prismatic, and you can get the Fragment to apply Sever as well.
If you play titan try it with controlled demolition on pure void titan. It's a great option for team healing.
Alethonym had a chunk of extra value in this week's GM nightfall specifically though. Famine + Counterfeit is a DEVIOUS combination of modifiers.
Can't wait for an overload GM so I have an excuse to use it and fighting lion in real high end content
Too bad the Trials rocket isn’t really accessible since it’s from… well trials lmao. Rolling with the new shiny envious arsenal and b/s, I could see it becoming meta and bringing gjallarhorn back into the light.
Overall great video and valid points 👍
Its so good, but so hard to get. You can get almost 100 handling, and that's crazy for a bns weapon😊
The most BS thing is as an adept it drops with double perks in right but never in left. Spent like 7 hours farming and best I got was air trigger + BnS/Bipod which I need to actually try out cause in theory I can hold 16 rockets total and then swap to BnS and just spam them in the air.