It's crazy how the sub-10 Nm range has completely exploded in the last few years, but as you said, not a lot in the 10-15 Nm range. I got a CSL DD w/ Boost Kit a while ago and absolutely love it, but definitely wouldn't mind something slightly more powerful - this definitely looks like a good option! The tuning software also looks great - seems like it'll be very intuitive and easy to use. I wonder if we'll see more wheelbases in this torque range soon.
I just moved from being a long time G29 user to getting a DD( just the 5nm CSL DD) and the difference in DD to gears is so unreal. Anyone thinking about upgrading to something like this, and you have the money, do it.There is so much detail to be had with a DD, especially over something with gears. AMS 2 feels like a completely different game now. iRacing feels crazy(free membership from fanatec, but i went ahead and paid for the nord on it, and holy shit, it feels so good on a DD), and R3E is way better too. I can't imagine how nice something like this R12 would feel.
That’s the biggest jump in sim racing. Going from belt or gear drive to DD flips your whole perspective on FFB. R5 to R12 is less of a jump, but it’s still impressive
Just got mine yesterday to replace my R5 and the R12 is paired with a CRP pedals set and hgp shifter and handbrake set into a Next Level Racing cockpit it's amazing honestly can't see it getting much better without huge diminishing returns this setup is dang good
This looks like the perfect wheel strength for me, but alas nothing Moza works with PS5/Xbox Series X 😢 😢😢 Will probably force to to Fanatec until I switch to PC in the future. Great video as usual Mike. God bless and race on 👍😎🏁
Great review Mike. Just FYI you CAN use the Moza wheel(or any wheel for that matter) on your PS4/PS5 console using GIMX, which is an adapter that simulates a Logitech G29 on consoles. I use my Bodnar wheel and Heusinkveld Ultimates to play GT7 and it works beautifully.
Fantastic Review as usual, Mr SimRacing604... so my wish given that we are fast approaching June 30th (EOFY SALES). So I'm just hoping that MOZA do some bundles with this R12. And I'm sure that a lot of people will grab a "complete" bundle when on sale, if they can't afford it at full cost....... I know I would be one of them at some point?. Thanks Mike ; )))
Fwiw the QR system (it's not just about the NRG style QR but developing a way to wirelessly transfer data and power using that) was copied from Simagic. R12 is notchy vs the G Pro because it's not a true servo but a BLDC motor. Your R21 uses a true servo and a higher bit rate encoder
I like the design Mike as the other designs I have seen remind me of my Thrustmaster TS-pc and that isn't a good thing (mucho problems I have had) Not being console ready is not big deal either as I don't have one. I am ordering the r12 today. Thanks for the review as always really well done.
I really wanted the White base, but was nto available...wish Moza woudl offer red, blue, white, silver colors...not that it matters, but it would attract a lot more sim racers who want something other tha nboring black!
Got an R9 2 weeks ago and want just a little bit more... Wish they said this was coming rather than just dropping it out of the blue. Feel like I've wasted so much money.
This is awesome, I think this will be my next purchase for sure. KS Wheel review incoming as well? Very interested in hearing your feedback on that as well.
Thanks for watching! And yeah, I’ll probably drop the KS wheel review in an hour or so. I’m just holding it back because there were so many reviews released at once today for the R12 and KS
Hi. You say it's very notchy. Can you feel it with a very low feedback settings? I'm asking because of truck sims, where there's almost no FFB needed (3Nm at most) - what you need is super smooth turning. Is that an issue with R12? Thanks for your feedback
Hello... Help me please... With the R12 the difference is 60 dollars for the T818... looking at the performance of the base only, without evaluating anything else, just the DD base, forgetting the difference in money.... what's your choice?
Hey man I've been watching your videos for a few months now. Very helpful review for a complete rookie to sim racing like me. You make it easy to understand. Being a current console racer, do you think Moza would release a console/PC version of a DD wheelbase?
Switching to a R5 from Fanatec belt...for the life of me, I cannot understand why 95% sim racers (casual) would need more than R5! 2nd, even the R5 requires a sturdy desk at minimum! I has a decent full tunbular rig and even that shakes at times (which is gud along with my bass shakers). And in AC, ACC and ATMS2 my FF strength is 45-55% at most. After 2 hours, my arms and hands get a gud workout! Maybe I've never tried a 9+ N-M base, but I have no desire to upgrade...is the R12 really worth it?
If you have the budget room, then yes. The R12 is just on another level from the R5. And keep in mind the peak torque rating shouldn’t correlate with strength, it should be associated with detail. The level of detail a higher output motor can produce is much higher because of rotational speed. The R5 is great, and realistically all most sim racers would ever need, but if you tried the R12 it would be hard to go back.
Hi Mike - great video! I was just about set to buying the Logitech Pro based on your other video, but this review gave me pause. Which one would you personally recommend - R12 with KS wheel or the Logitech Pro?
Thanks for watching! For out of the box performance, the Logitech is best. But if you don’t mind a bit of FFB tuning, or want more wheel options, go with Moza
@@SimRacing604 Thanks Mike! I think then as I am just getting into simracing the Logitech may work better for me, basically to experience and learn what good force feedback feels without too much tweaking, so if I upgrade later on I can better understand how to make the adjustments.
@@SimRacing604 man I truly hope moza would start officially shipping to Brazil or that Logitech bring some new wheels and decrease the price a bit cuz the options in my country ere either the Logitech or a red dragon (that is basically a outdated belt driven fanatec with a different badge) Oh and the pro racing dds that are only 15nm + and are quite pricy
It's crazy how the sub-10 Nm range has completely exploded in the last few years, but as you said, not a lot in the 10-15 Nm range.
I got a CSL DD w/ Boost Kit a while ago and absolutely love it, but definitely wouldn't mind something slightly more powerful - this definitely looks like a good option! The tuning software also looks great - seems like it'll be very intuitive and easy to use.
I wonder if we'll see more wheelbases in this torque range soon.
You win some you lose some
Nice to see a good Simagic Alpha mini competitor
Lol there is another as well. 15nm ;)
The "plain jane" style of the R5-12 is what I like the most about it. Id love an R16/21 but the plastic housing looks toyish to me.
Not me. If I spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on something I want it to look good
I just moved from being a long time G29 user to getting a DD( just the 5nm CSL DD) and the difference in DD to gears is so unreal. Anyone thinking about upgrading to something like this, and you have the money, do it.There is so much detail to be had with a DD, especially over something with gears. AMS 2 feels like a completely different game now. iRacing feels crazy(free membership from fanatec, but i went ahead and paid for the nord on it, and holy shit, it feels so good on a DD), and R3E is way better too. I can't imagine how nice something like this R12 would feel.
That’s the biggest jump in sim racing. Going from belt or gear drive to DD flips your whole perspective on FFB. R5 to R12 is less of a jump, but it’s still impressive
@@SimRacing604 great vid as usual my dude
@@BurtSampson thanks dude!
Great to hear you got a DD rig BurtSampson. So am I expecting to see your name in the Top 10 of the AMS2 Time-Trial Leaderboards now?... ; )))
@@SingleRacerSVR maybe, lol. wouldn't recognize the name though. i don't know though, i always choke once the clock starts going. lol
Just got mine yesterday to replace my R5 and the R12 is paired with a CRP pedals set and hgp shifter and handbrake set into a Next Level Racing cockpit it's amazing honestly can't see it getting much better without huge diminishing returns this setup is dang good
Agreed! I’m fortunate to own a lot of wheelbases, and the R12 is my go-to. There is something interesting coming in the mail to me very soon though…
This looks like the perfect wheel strength for me, but alas nothing Moza works with PS5/Xbox Series X 😢 😢😢 Will probably force to to Fanatec until I switch to PC in the future. Great video as usual Mike. God bless and race on 👍😎🏁
Great review Mike. Just FYI you CAN use the Moza wheel(or any wheel for that matter) on your PS4/PS5 console using GIMX, which is an adapter that simulates a Logitech G29 on consoles. I use my Bodnar wheel and Heusinkveld Ultimates to play GT7 and it works beautifully.
Thanks so much! And yeah, I need to try the GIMX adapter again. I think native support would be a great feature for Moza though
Oh boy I need to check the GIMX out going to right now
Fantastic Review as usual, Mr SimRacing604... so my wish given that we are fast approaching June 30th (EOFY SALES). So I'm just hoping that MOZA do some bundles with this R12. And I'm sure that a lot of people will grab a "complete" bundle when on sale, if they can't afford it at full cost....... I know I would be one of them at some point?. Thanks Mike ; )))
Great review. 👌 You even showed us your FFB settings. Nice bonus 🙂
Nice sweet spot power wise.
Yup, for sure. And BTW, I’m really looking forward to your next Cammus review. That 5Nm wheel looks awesome!
@@SimRacing604 I did the one on the bundle, I still have to do the one on the Cammus LP8
@@DouglasThompson cool, I’ll check it out
Great review, Mike. If this base is anywhere near the R9, I am sure it is pretty fantastic. Looking forward to KS review.
What about the R12 compatibility issues with non sim racing games like Crew Motorfest, FH5 or Forza Motorsport and upcoming Test Drive
So glad you mentioned no console support. Instant buy for me if it had.
Fwiw the QR system (it's not just about the NRG style QR but developing a way to wirelessly transfer data and power using that) was copied from Simagic. R12 is notchy vs the G Pro because it's not a true servo but a BLDC motor. Your R21 uses a true servo and a higher bit rate encoder
I like the design Mike as the other designs I have seen remind me of my Thrustmaster TS-pc and that isn't a good thing (mucho problems I have had) Not being console ready is not big deal either as I don't have one. I am ordering the r12 today. Thanks for the review as always really well done.
I really wanted the White base, but was nto available...wish Moza woudl offer red, blue, white, silver colors...not that it matters, but it would attract a lot more sim racers who want something other tha nboring black!
Got an R9 2 weeks ago and want just a little bit more... Wish they said this was coming rather than just dropping it out of the blue. Feel like I've wasted so much money.
This is awesome, I think this will be my next purchase for sure. KS Wheel review incoming as well? Very interested in hearing your feedback on that as well.
Thanks for watching! And yeah, I’ll probably drop the KS wheel review in an hour or so. I’m just holding it back because there were so many reviews released at once today for the R12 and KS
Hi. You say it's very notchy. Can you feel it with a very low feedback settings? I'm asking because of truck sims, where there's almost no FFB needed (3Nm at most) - what you need is super smooth turning. Is that an issue with R12? Thanks for your feedback
please review the Moza H shifter
Hello... Help me please... With the R12 the difference is 60 dollars for the T818... looking at the performance of the base only, without evaluating anything else, just the DD base, forgetting the difference in money.... what's your choice?
Juicy time
Im looking at this R12 OR A R16
Hey man I've been watching your videos for a few months now. Very helpful review for a complete rookie to sim racing like me. You make it easy to understand. Being a current console racer, do you think Moza would release a console/PC version of a DD wheelbase?
Switching to a R5 from Fanatec belt...for the life of me, I cannot understand why 95% sim racers (casual) would need more than R5! 2nd, even the R5 requires a sturdy desk at minimum! I has a decent full tunbular rig and even that shakes at times (which is gud along with my bass shakers). And in AC, ACC and ATMS2 my FF strength is 45-55% at most. After 2 hours, my arms and hands get a gud workout! Maybe I've never tried a 9+ N-M base, but I have no desire to upgrade...is the R12 really worth it?
If you have the budget room, then yes. The R12 is just on another level from the R5. And keep in mind the peak torque rating shouldn’t correlate with strength, it should be associated with detail. The level of detail a higher output motor can produce is much higher because of rotational speed. The R5 is great, and realistically all most sim racers would ever need, but if you tried the R12 it would be hard to go back.
Hi Mike - great video! I was just about set to buying the Logitech Pro based on your other video, but this review gave me pause.
Which one would you personally recommend - R12 with KS wheel or the Logitech Pro?
Thanks for watching! For out of the box performance, the Logitech is best. But if you don’t mind a bit of FFB tuning, or want more wheel options, go with Moza
@@SimRacing604 Thanks Mike! I think then as I am just getting into simracing the Logitech may work better for me, basically to experience and learn what good force feedback feels without too much tweaking, so if I upgrade later on I can better understand how to make the adjustments.
Nice one Mike, thanks for the detailed review.
For a desk mounted wheel, this or the t818?
Hmmm, tough one. I really like the 818. But if wheel selection is a consideration, then I’d lean heavily toward Moza
How does it compare to the g pro?
G Pro is better out of the box, but Moza has better tuning options and more supporting wheels
@@SimRacing604 man I truly hope moza would start officially shipping to Brazil or that Logitech bring some new wheels and decrease the price a bit cuz the options in my country ere either the Logitech or a red dragon (that is basically a outdated belt driven fanatec with a different badge)
Oh and the pro racing dds that are only 15nm + and are quite pricy
12 is perfect, half the guys that do this cant even move a 9nm wheel lol
I love a strong chocolate man
I has the R5 and set to 100% and 60% (in-game)...why would anyone need more strength??? It's stronger than my effing car!
Higher peak torque capabilities mean more crisp details