As a PC only player I see it as a big plus it doesn’t have console compatibility. I don’t have to pay for any licensing, and the rims come without PS or Xbox specific buttons.
@CoyoteRacing The FFB disconnection problem in Assetto Corsa Competizione also happens to me but with the G29. I usually solve it by exiting the game with Alt + Tab and returning in the same way. Excellent review. Moza R12 + Ks will probably be my next purchase.
Moza should've just went with direct connection with the steering wheels from the start and not bt connection. Atleast everything new onwards will be compatible. And it's good they're connecting peripherals into the base now, freeing up usb ports on the pc. R12 will be my next and probably final upgrade.
@mattguest2256 I have really enjoyed them so far coming from the r5 pedals. No issues so far with them in any games or hardware wise. The initial calibration is super easy and quick. Some people have said that iracing is hard to get the pedals working with because of their calibration but it worked right away for me.
I had an issue with FFB cutting out in AC, if ever my wheel spun violently. The latest pit house update fixed an issue that they described as accidental overcurrent protection, causing FFB death. That recent update fixed it for me, maybe it will fix your ACC issue
@@Tiffany_Turbo No. R12 not incontroller list windows key + R. Everything disconnected in pit house. Wheel shake violently shuts off after being turned on. Moza was suppose to do a remote PC fix but haven't heard from them in 2 days
Isn't he playing Gran Turismo or am I blind? Also I've never had that ACC problem on my R5, in fact ACC is the game I play the most and I can do races after races with it
Speaking of Logitech, they have just released their Pro wheelbase and steering wheel separately exclusively for PC. The Base is $699 and the steering wheel is $249.
They are not phasing out Wireless connection, it is just more expensive, so they put both wireless and direct connect to new wheels so they dont need to put expensive Wireless stuff in Bases, ergo cheaper base. They will never abandon or phaseout wireless and kill R16 and R21.
WoW that's a massive blow about ACC as it's my sim of choice. I was considering upgrading my GT DD Pro 8NM for the R12 as I'm looking for more detail and a little more force. Does the R12 give more detail than the GT DD Pro 8NM. Do you think this would be a logical upgrade as I'm on a budget and really can't go any higher.
I think the issue with loss of FFB is actually a Windows issue as it's been known to affect wheelbases from all manufacturers. Try disabling the GameInput Service in Windows which seems to resolve the problem.
My apogees commenting here. It's the only way I could comment on the stream and I think it could benefit you. Explanation. I'm watching your twitch stream recorded 13+ hours ago, which is related to the new Moza R3. I can't make a comment to that stream after it has been posted. So I'm doing my comment here since this and the up coming review is Moza related. It could be useful. At about 0:30:00 you had changed the wheel to the bigger RS V2. It fits! Obviously with the bigger diameter there will be less torque/feedback to the hands/arms and you noted about the experienced of the feedback was so little. That is to be expected. Is it that bad? So here comes my point/question. I could be totally wrong. You are use to high feedback from bigger direct drive motors. You are accustom to those setups. Moza R3 is an entry level direct drive base. Think about a person that has never experienced force feed back steering. Could they be more sensitive to those smaller forces than you. Could they learn the feel of driving with those smaller forces and be good at it even with the RS V2? Maybe. It's entry level. Stick with the original wheel. That's what it was engineered for. Don't think you will read this before you make "The Final Cut".
The problem you say about wheel compatibility is the least that I’m thinking about I’ve just purchased a r12 aint even tried it yet I just hope it’s as good as you say 🙏🏾
I prefer Moza-rella cheese. Lol. I’m so glad they are putting Fanatec on the spot. Competition has been needed for a while. I have Fanatec and love it, but I can keep my eyes off some of these Moza wheels.
Please do the adapter thing really want to see how it feels on a console, I'm really considering the r12 for my pc but would like a base that'll run on a ps5 as well but not a fan of fanatec
Is the R12 and the table clamp a solid combo? Or does 12 Nm need the use of a solid rig already? I am thinking about upgrading from the T300 RS to the R9 or R12...
Yes, I received mine in the mail today and played all night. No issues at all. Went from single player practice to several public servers and had no issues with FFB
Then I hope you got the V2 of the R9 as the wheel connection on the older R9 is now obsolete, meaning going forwards MOZA won't be producing any new wheels compatible with the older MOZA systems
Enjoy it for what it is - it's not like that extra 3nm makes that much of a difference - I never run my Simucube above 7 or 8nm anyway and it maxes out at 25nm constant.
underrated channel
Agreed!
Actually both of you underrated you both deserve a lot of subscribers ❤❤❤
Wait let me hit that sub button 😂
As a PC only player I see it as a big plus it doesn’t have console compatibility. I don’t have to pay for any licensing, and the rims come without PS or Xbox specific buttons.
@CoyoteRacing The FFB disconnection problem in Assetto Corsa Competizione also happens to me but with the G29. I usually solve it by exiting the game with Alt + Tab and returning in the same way.
Excellent review. Moza R12 + Ks will probably be my next purchase.
Nice review! I have a question, how are you using the R12 to play GranTurismo 7?
3rd party adapter, I have one for pedals that don’t support console, it’s called drive hub
Its not gran turismo, i think its a mod for assetto corsa that changes the ui. But if not then its probably an adapter
Moza should've just went with direct connection with the steering wheels from the start and not bt connection. Atleast everything new onwards will be compatible. And it's good they're connecting peripherals into the base now, freeing up usb ports on the pc. R12 will be my next and probably final upgrade.
Exactly! Have an r5 and felt like the r9 wasn't enough of an upgrade for the money. Pulled the trigger on the r12 yesterday 🤩
Had you already upgraded the pedals? The only thing holding me back is the immediate need for the pedal upgrade
@@waynetheriaut46 I did, I ended up getting a set of simjack pro pedals.
@@StevenFurio how did you find these pedals? Im still hesitant as the software driving them seems unintuitive and woulda prefer plug and play
@mattguest2256 I have really enjoyed them so far coming from the r5 pedals. No issues so far with them in any games or hardware wise. The initial calibration is super easy and quick. Some people have said that iracing is hard to get the pedals working with because of their calibration but it worked right away for me.
I love my R5. But once I get a stronger chassis, I'm definitely going for the R12
How would you compare the feeling of detail between Moza R12 and the Fanatec CSL DD?
What about the R12 comparability issues with non sim racing games like Crew Motorfesr, FH5 or Forza Motorsport and upcoming Test Drive
No one cares to play those with wheels anyways! They are arcade racing made for a controller!
I had an issue with FFB cutting out in AC, if ever my wheel spun violently. The latest pit house update fixed an issue that they described as accidental overcurrent protection, causing FFB death. That recent update fixed it for me, maybe it will fix your ACC issue
Up to date and has happened to me.
@@busterbrown1686 interesting... Did you reset to factory defaults after updating?
@@Tiffany_Turbo No. R12 not incontroller list windows key + R. Everything disconnected in pit house. Wheel shake violently shuts off after being turned on. Moza was suppose to do a remote PC fix but haven't heard from them in 2 days
Isn't he playing Gran Turismo or am I blind?
Also I've never had that ACC problem on my R5, in fact ACC is the game I play the most and I can do races after races with it
It's a hud mod for AC
Love your content and presentation, mate. Keep up the good work 👊
How are you able to play GT7 with the moza wheel and base??
Its not GT7. Its a Hud Mod for assetto corsa
Speaking of Logitech, they have just released their Pro wheelbase and steering wheel separately exclusively for PC. The Base is $699 and the steering wheel is $249.
Alas, I believe you are using the word alas incorrectly.😅 Great review. Mine is on order!
They are not phasing out Wireless connection, it is just more expensive, so they put both wireless and direct connect to new wheels so they dont need to put expensive Wireless stuff in Bases, ergo cheaper base. They will never abandon or phaseout wireless and kill R16 and R21.
How are you playing gran turismo rn? Lol
I feel like its still too close... Id go with the cs dd/ cs dd+/ R16 or simagic Alpha
I have the FFB problem with my CSL DD, loses FFB
Amazing camera and light work!
WoW that's a massive blow about ACC as it's my sim of choice. I was considering upgrading my GT DD Pro 8NM for the R12 as I'm looking for more detail and a little more force. Does the R12 give more detail than the GT DD Pro 8NM. Do you think this would be a logical upgrade as I'm on a budget and really can't go any higher.
I am on the same path
R3 just released for Xbok.
Just bought today r9 and it’s awesome I don’t think I need 3 more nm
you do ;)
Makes a difference its like the 5nm csl it's weak the extra 3 makes it decent
I've had the R9 for 14 months, it has performed perfectly, and never has it gone above room temperature. More ffb won't do anything for you.
I think the issue with loss of FFB is actually a Windows issue as it's been known to affect wheelbases from all manufacturers. Try disabling the GameInput Service in Windows which seems to resolve the problem.
My TM had some issue. Fixed after I disabled the service.
Had the same issue with my TM and ACC
My apogees commenting here. It's the only way I could comment on the stream and I think it could benefit you. Explanation. I'm watching your twitch stream recorded 13+ hours ago, which is related to the new Moza R3. I can't make a comment to that stream after it has been posted. So I'm doing my comment here since this and the up coming review is Moza related. It could be useful.
At about 0:30:00 you had changed the wheel to the bigger RS V2. It fits! Obviously with the bigger diameter there will be less torque/feedback to the hands/arms and you noted about the experienced of the feedback was so little. That is to be expected. Is it that bad? So here comes my point/question.
I could be totally wrong. You are use to high feedback from bigger direct drive motors. You are accustom to those setups. Moza R3 is an entry level direct drive base. Think about a person that has never experienced force feed back steering. Could they be more sensitive to those smaller forces than you. Could they learn the feel of driving with those smaller forces and be good at it even with the RS V2? Maybe.
It's entry level. Stick with the original wheel. That's what it was engineered for. Don't think you will read this before you make "The Final Cut".
If only it supported consoles too.
The problem you say about wheel compatibility is the least that I’m thinking about
I’ve just purchased a r12 aint even tried it yet I just hope it’s as good as you say 🙏🏾
I prefer Moza-rella cheese. Lol. I’m so glad they are putting Fanatec on the spot. Competition has been needed for a while. I have Fanatec and love it, but I can keep my eyes off some of these Moza wheels.
Please do the adapter thing really want to see how it feels on a console, I'm really considering the r12 for my pc but would like a base that'll run on a ps5 as well but not a fan of fanatec
Im using this R12 + KS wheel + srp pedal mounted on playseat challenge. Zipties can do wonders 😊
i want a r21 v2 :/
I want the r16 but man it looks hideous
Como puedes jugar al gran turismo con la moza si no es compatible con ps5
Is the R12 and the table clamp a solid combo? Or does 12 Nm need the use of a solid rig already? I am thinking about upgrading from the T300 RS to the R9 or R12...
I would definitely solid mount, I have the R9 and I wouldn't want to clamp it to a table.
@@happs117 Thanks! Yes I am actually thinking of buying a small rig and the R9.
@@powerelch
Many play with desktop and r9 support with no problem... just need the desktop to be solid
I’m an ACC player and seriously considering the R12. Has the FFB issue been resolved?
Yes, I received mine in the mail today and played all night. No issues at all. Went from single player practice to several public servers and had no issues with FFB
Does the r12 overheat too?
Haven't had that issue with this one
Well guess I am bying a r12 now.
I'm not yet decided between the r12 and the Asetek La Prima. Does someone know if the R12 is also suffering from these overheating issues?
I ran mine on full power just below clipping for 2 hours and it plateaud at 45 degrees, 👌
Have you saved your set up for controls in ACC?
R12 or Logitech Pro wheel?
What track is that in AC? Looks dope
Taking on a dragon you say 😏
💀💀
5 + 3 = 9?
9+3=12
Love your content bro 😎
Is this Grand turismo 7 or acceto corsa mod?
AC mod!
The new KS wheel looks sweet!
Is the acc thing fixed?
Yes
well this sux I had literally just got my r9 last week. if I knew this was coming I would have waited and got this r12 instead.
Sell the r9 £280
@@trevz1048 no way it is only 7 days old and only used for 15mins so far. was 200 more than that price.
Then I hope you got the V2 of the R9 as the wheel connection on the older R9 is now obsolete, meaning going forwards MOZA won't be producing any new wheels compatible with the older MOZA systems
@@slaphead90I did I got me the r9 v2 base which I now regret😢 gs gt v2 and crp pedals. it's a really nice setup
Enjoy it for what it is - it's not like that extra 3nm makes that much of a difference - I never run my Simucube above 7 or 8nm anyway and it maxes out at 25nm constant.
First 😂
😝 Promo_SM