NOTE: The R12 has just received a significant price drop to $499USD, as well as a software/firmware update to impreve the force feedback - Latest details, deals and Discount Codes can be found HERE: boostedmedia.net/products/moza/
13:58 A little note. To change the colors you must move the joysticks not pressing but both towards the central side. (Left stick to the right and Right stick to the left) to enter customization mode, and save.
Great review, as always! Just a quick note on one thing you said: Carbon Fibre Reinforced Polymer (CFRP) is literally the designation of any part made out of carbon fibre. You have a polymer (the resin that acts like the matrix) reinforced with carbon fibre strands. So, when you see a "real" carbon fibre piece, it is a CFRP piece. Thanks!
I think I’m going to pull the trigger on the R12! Thank you for this review. Upgraded to an ASR1 rig and now pairing it with Moza R12. Really excited to see how different it’s going to be from My G29 setup.
Love to see the Micro Center support. I'm lucky enough to have one near me and their selection and prices are really awesome, and the people are great too. There's nowhere else to really go to see computer hardware, let alone sim hardware, in person. I experienced direct drive for the first time when I was there last weekend and it has me itching to upgrade. The R12 fits the bill really well, so this is tempting for when I upgrade. If Fanatec come out with something in this range though I'll probably go for that since I could then keep my Formula 2.5 wheel with the paddle module that I love. I don't want to settle for 8nm with the CSL DD but the Podium bases are just way too expensive for me. You're right, there's a huge hole in their ecosystem that they should really fill.
I’m actually loving this back and forth with these two companies I hope Fanatec do make a move that gamers will like, it helps us customers. If Moza get Console support PS5 for me then I might actually consider them over Fanatec tbh.
Even if Fanatec do produce a response, good luck getting one and navigating the atrocious customer service and delivery. It’s almost like they don’t actually want you to buy from them sometimes. Eventually got there in the end though! 👍
@@Gregg4886 8 months later and I just cancelled my Fanatec order and went with Moza. Fanatec has lost the battle, which sucks because they used to be my go to brand
Once u disable hand off protection in pit house the issue with the wheel feeling like it lost connection while drifting and changing directions very fast is gone :) Makes sense but they should make it more clear that u need to disable it for drifting.
Fair play to Moza I got the R5 Bundle 4/5 Months ago to replace a G920, didn't use the pedals as already had TCLMs. Everything from the ordering, packaging, quality of product, software has all been top notch. The Fanatec stuff was constantly on back order so I went Moza as a 2nd choice but glad I did now. I'm just using a desk mount so going beyond 5NM would probably destroy the desk but if I ever get a proper rig and wanted more strength would defo stick with Moza.
Great review . It looks like I’ll need to save up just a little longer. Also I like the micro center support. Me and my son often make a yearly 6hr drive to our nearest micro center.
Bought the KS wheel along with the universal hub, happily using it with my Cammus base. The lightness of the KS has really improved the detail felt through the Cammus.
Congrats on Microcenter deal. They are top notch! They are not the cheapest in town but we should reward them for actually stocking multiple sim gear brands on their shelves and have a simulator set up to try out the gear! If you live near one, you are doing yourself a disservice not trying them. They stock all the best and gear! GSI, Simucube, Moza, Aestek, etc etc. But for those that keep waiting for Fanatec to release a ~12-5nm DD base, just get the DD1, it is silly how so many people think there needs to be 6 different power level bases available. Buy once, cry once, go for the largest peak/ sustained NMs you can afford because of the extra clipping headroom and better future proof your purchase
I got the KS from Micro Center as an open box for $80 off and I love it so far, has more than enough for most cars, even the GTPs in iRacing. My MC also had the fancy Moza formula wheel with the screen for $650, the KS felt a lot more comfortable in my hands
"Your move, Fanatec." Says everyone, for the last three years. It's been so long since Fanatec released something new. Waited 2 years for them to release a dashed wheel. I eventually got tired of waiting and got the FSR Wheel when the Moza hub and adapter was released. Love it. Quick release was game changing attached to my DD2, and it's difficult to go back. Been looking at getting another Moza wheel like this one so I don't have to take off the Podium hub and move my pedals and chair around switching to my Fanatec Formula rim. Moza's just been hitting it out of the park with every release. Only thing that's missing is console support. Would also love to see them add Simhub compatibility with their dashes.
@boosted media from my experience the disconnection issue mainly comes from drifting as i experience it on my r9. i seem to have narrowed it down to the hands off protection in the firmware, this has not always been a issue and i have only noticed it in the last few months. with hand off protection disabled i have no longer had any disconnection issues
Hello, please tell me, on my new Moza R12 steering wheel base the model name (bottom side, second line) says Model: S4. Is this a new or old revision? So far I have only seen Model: R12.
Glad I have held out an extra couple of weeks. Was set on the Asetek Forte but not needing an extra mount this has saved me over £600. Upgrading from a Clubsport 2.5 and McLaren V2 wheel onto my GT Omega Prime. Im sticking with the Fanatec V3's as I just love the feel of them so hoping they make a good pairing. Hoping to get many good years out of this. I always value your opinions Will, keep up the good work .
I do hope this puts some pressure on fanatec to release a base in between the 8nm cslDD and tthe DD1 ( maybe with the same boost pack approach as the DD with options for, let's say, 10nm or 15nm)
The wheel side to side wiggle is a item to item variance from what I can tell. My brother and I both bought the original R9 with GS wheel, his does not have the wiggle but mine does. I do not notice during racing. I suspect it has something to do with how the milling on either the base shaft connection point, or parts of the quick disconnect itself. I have yet to actually measure to find out, but I suspect it is a variance that could be accounted for by a part getting too hot during milling and expanding.
Yep just like with Fanatec it would be down to the percentage of tolerance in the sleeve and shaft. THat said, I've observed far less variance with Moza than Fanatec with regards to the QR. All my Moza wheels and bases so far have fit pretty snugly.
That KS wheel is absolutely the perfect entry-level GT racing rim I've ever seen. I have been doing tons of research of what's all available and pricing out what I want for my upgraded rig setup, and was mostly on board with the Moza ecosystem, but that KS wheel just sealed the deal. I wasn't sure I could afford the GS V2 but wanted something along that line, and was leaning towards the Fanatec Mclaren GT3 wheel and ecosystem because of it. Now that's been settled completely. Incredible effort from Moza.
I have always been keen on Moza, almost went R9, but now r12 + KS is what i would get. The tricky part is that fanatec's deals right now on CSL DD soo good its hard not to go that way
Dude I won't regret it I have a R12 CRP pedals setup and a R5 bundle that's my backup or so a buddy or family member can play with me yeah I'm honestly blown away by Moza's R12 it's so good
Man I own this R12 Moza base it's truly exceptional best decision ever purchasing this guy it pairs well with the CRP pedals and Moza Handbrake and Shifter it's Definitely made a positive improvement in my sim drifting now I don't know what to do with my R5 and Logitech g29 I guess give one to my nephew and sell the other so I can buy another wheel a RS V2 or FSR or even get a QR and my own custom wheel rim for drifting
@@boostedmedia hahaha sometimes you dont see the obvious. but as i got into williams yesterday in my f1 23 league, i remembered it on first sight :D tbh. i love the design! and i really hope fanatec gives us new formula wheels and new bases... their stuff is a bit outdated..... :S
A 12nm wheelbase still in a smalll form factor and a cheaper formula wheel without the unnecessary (IMO) screen? This is exactly what I've dreamed of and it's getting extremely hard to resist pulling the trigger on this kit.
@@delasse3178 Idunno man, the CR-Ps have been absolutely phenomenal for me in my setup, I think they've worked out a lot of the random noisy bits in QA since many of the reviews for the pedals came out. The metal and heft of it feels really nice. Only downside is they can't be inverted at the moment. But regardless, if you don't need console compatibility, you could always do any of the many other high end pedal choices. Or get a Raso1ution (or whatever its called) adapter and do the same on console, idk if theres such a need to remain in just one ecosystem nowadays.
What I've come to realize with configuring these DD wheel bases for drifting it's all about balancing the FFB power with the dampener settings. You want to have a responsive wheel and that can be achieved by lower FFB Gain but then you have to lower the dampener so the wheel can start rotating as soon as it can. Or you could go high FFB Gain setting but then you have to put a lot of dampening to compensate for the wheel rotating to quickly and being too eratic. Finding the balance is the key and it can depend from person to person some people like it to be low intensity so they can control the drift easier some like it higher. This also depends what wheel rim you're running how wide it is, how heavy etc ... inertia and all that.
I had the same problem pushing the joysticks to go into the buttons color mod and it turns out I had to push both joysticks inwards (left to the right and right to the left)
I was just thinking the other night that fanatec needs around a 12-15nm base to fit the csl elite mid range and preferably with the new qr2 system... hopefully this pushes them to stop being stagnate with new products lol
I'm a bit confused about how it isnt cabon fiber. You said it is carbon fiber reinforced polymer, or CFRP, but that is how you always use carbon fiber. When creating stuff from carbon fiber, you use carbon fiber weaves and coat that with epoxy (plastic) to create a hard material. Is this wheel not made of CFRP in the usual way?
CF and CFRP are not the same thing. Carbon Fibre is generally made up of multiple stacked layers. This is a single injection moulded layer so it’s nowhere near as rigid.
@@boostedmedia I understand if this is just one layer, but even with multiple layers it is still called CFRP. You always use epoxy with the carbon fibre EDIT: (At least for this application. Other applications may use CF in different ways)
Fanatec are sleeping and they have been for years. It pains me to say that because I own a Podium DD1 and I'm fully invested in the ecosystem - I just wish they released some new wheel rims - almost all the competition has got a GT/Formula style wheel with a screen and Fanatec don't seem to be bothered :/ They are losing customers with every release like this one and rightly so
Running an R5 base currently, and finding out the KS wheel is a bit lighter than the ES wheel, and nearly as light as with the formula wheel mod, this should be absolutely great even on the R5! Found my next upgrade, along with the 12 inch wheel mod instead of the formula 😅
You didn't quite seem to finish the reasoning with regards to filtering/dampening on the R12 vs R9 and R5. Is the takeaway that the R12 is now on level with the likes of Forte/CSL DD etc. when it comes to filtering? I.e. R12 needs much less of it compared to R9? I'm referring to this: ------------- "Now the things that stood out to me about the R12 comparing with the R9 one of the complaints that I've had previously about moza wheelbases is that you do tend to need to run a little bit more filtering than with some other brands to achieve a smooth overall feel. So what I would find is I'd have to run the dampening quite high for example [...] I found in the past with moza bases if you don't have that filtering in place they can feel just that little bit robotic in comparison to other alternatives." -------------- And it stops there. But it sounds like you're saying that this is not an issue anymore with the R12, is that correct?
Not quite at the same level as the Forte, but definetly a step closer with regards to not needing heavy filtering to achieve a good feel compared with past experiences.
Fanatec CSW DD finally coming maybe? They already lowered the price of the CSL DD by alot, would make sense to be able to place the CSW cometitively on the market?
This new base looks great! Always happy to see more entries in the market. Just last weekend I ordered a simagic alpha mini w/ Fanatec Elite V2 pedals. The base hasn't shipped yet; would you say this wheel base would have a significant upgrade over the mini? It's rated for 10nm but independent reviewers have noted that it can actually peak as 13nm, so I suppose these 2 bases are about the same in that regard. Thanks!
Damn, so Fanatec went and cut prices for the P1 bundle renamed ready2race 5nm DD that can be upgraded to 8nm. And then moza releases these. Interesting and this is good for consumers. Although r12 is definitely still expensive. Id rather have them release a wheelbase that can be upgraded to higher FB nm.
im really starting to regret buying the logitech g pro, I love the fact that it is essentially plug and play but for gods sake can Logitech release a GT3 or formula style rim already...
They still haven’t even shared a roadmap for new wheels. I have no idea what’s going on over there but it’s really not instilling confidence in the ecosystem.
I want to upgrade my T300 soon, I already got the Fanatec CSL Elite V2 Pedals so I dont know if I should go for a Moza base/wheel or stick to Fanantec but this KS wheel + the R9 is a very tempting set.
can't you use the CSL elite v2 pedals standalone? nothing stopping you from just using those with the moza base/wheel if that's the case. Don't need to box yourself in to using just 1 brand if you're on PC anyways
Price including shipping to Aus seems high, $1200. At that price point I'd rather spend a bit more and get the VRS DD. Hopefully some aussie retailers sell for cheaper but I'm doubtful based on moza's other products.
@@boostedmedia its a shame that simagic's pr team lets them down. I went for simagic before moza had really hit the scene but moza have made positive strides lately and seem to be more inclusive with the community than simagic, If I had to choose again I probably would have gone with moza but I do love the quality of simagic products.
@@boostedmedia Sorry to hear that, I missed it for some reason. Hopefully you can resolve your differences in the future, in the name of life is too short and all that. :-)
It was not clear to me your opinion about the FFB. You talked about the other Moza bases being a little robotic when unfiltered but wasn't really emphatic on whether or not this one is better and how it compares to Asetek, etc
I had to return my R9, while I was using it at 80% FFB it would get too hot and reduce the FFB to 10% within and hour of use, really annoying, If I were to use the R12 at 9-10nm because there is more of a threshold would this problem be less likely so happen?
Oh man, I'm still using a belt driven thrustmaster wheel, but seeing the FFB tweaks you can make in the Moza software is VERY appealing. I want to upgrade to a DD, and intended on staying in the Thrustmaster eco-system to use all my current rims, but I really really like this Moza software, and this may end up being the deciding factor for me i do like a variety of rims, and I do really wish some of these DD companies offered some rims in the $200-300 price point. While the stuff out there looks awesome, I really don't need an $800 carbon rim for my sim rig. I race in VR and the rims I own from Thrustmaster are plenty for my needs, and i really don't think I'd benefit much from a super high end rim that costs 3x as much and is nicer than most actual race car rims
Exactly my same situation. Thrustmaster TS-PC in VR looking to uograde to a DD soon. I was really tempted by the CSL DD with the Macca GT3 wheel, because the lack of a decently priced/specced wheel from Moza. Now with this KS the game is changed and maybe an aggressively priced bundle from Moza could let me lean towards them a bit more. R9+KS could really be a great combo for the hobbyist simmer on a tight budget
VR user here as you. No worries. Don't force yourself. You didn't mention what TM model you're using.. t300, TS? Owned both. Both are great for the money. switched to a 20nm DD base (using 10nm max atm) Sure dd is nice and fun, as you said i spent hundreds, probably thousands on customs wheels. But is it worth it? It doesn't make me personally faster. Adds immersion, yes. Keep in mind we've been racing with belt wheelbases for 30 years or so 😂 I'd rather spend that money in load cell pedals if you don't already have one.
Is there a type of "static force reduction" setting in the Moza software? Helping a friend, who tested out my VRS pro and only needs about half the force. He preferred the feel when the static force during turns was greatly reduced, without ruining the other FFB effects. researched online. The only answer found, was to modify the sim ini files. (not sure that can be done in all sim titles). Next option was the simagic alpha mini. couldn't find any info about static force reduction on that wheelbase either. It seems only certain brands have this option. watched your asetek review, (in which it's called "cornering force assist"). The size of the la prima is too large to clamp to a "very solid" desk and the price was above also above his budget.
roflmao, Fanatec fails to bring out a new QR for years and years after everyone is complaining... so don't waste your breath lol... they will have an answer in about 20 years ;)
Been looking at the monza r9 and GS GT wheel for a few months now. Now there’s a 200 dollar cheaper wheel? Very interesting, this review could definelty sway me to pick up this new wheel!
I'm currently eying with the La Prima Wheelbase as it did hit my sweet spot for price value ratio. Only what made me a bit hesitant is that there is currently only the formula wheel available and I do love to drive the 90s dtm and stock cars as well as rally which just doesn't work with the la prima Formula wheel. Now Moza is pushing the R12 to the market which would be with the CS V2 wheel still be 100 bucks less then the La Prima. Which again is already 1/3rd of the additional KS Wheel. Guess I'll wait a bit until there are reviews of the La Prima available. And now I'm
Wow I recently ordered the R12 for $589 US. Didn't know it was a price drop from the then $649 R9, which is now $439. Got the $279 KS wheel compared to a $519 Cube F Core. Great deal Moza
Moza has a setting which is supposed to save your fingers. When the wheelbase detects that you let go off the wheel or the wheel rotates a lot without resistance, it cuts the ffb off.
Hey Will im going from a Thrustmaster TS XW to Moza should i go straight to the R12 or is the R9 sufficient, $250 price difference dont want to upgrade for about 5 years after this. Using CS V2 wheel and maybe the KS Wheel PS do i need a emergency stop if i get the R12
Hey Will, just wanted to say I like that the sponsor of the video is a store rather than a sim-racing company, improves the reliability and independency for the reviews, hope to see more companies do this, so we can keep seeing these great reviews without you being financially dependent on any competitor in the market Moza wheels look absolutely fantastic, Fanatec and Asetek should take notes on the how to make great looking formula wheels. If I was Asetek I'd stop whatever work I'm doing on rigs right now and get the La Prima bundles out to the reviewers, and speed up a process to release more wheels. If I was Fanatec I'd fire whoever is responsible for the QR2 delay and get a 12-15nm base at a good price out asap. Moza is taking all the glory right now.
oh man I've been looking at dd wheels for a while, but heard from so many that 12 nm is the optimal and 16 nm bases were so expensive, this is really peaked my interest
You push both joysticks inwards twords each other to enter programming mode, then point both outwards away from each other to exit programming mode. You just pushed them down like xbox joysticks. I only noticed this because I did the same thing when I first got mine.
I’ve been watching your videos over the last couple days before purchasing a rig… and must I say thank you!Your videos are so amazingly helpful, you don’t miss a single detail. You are a amazing TH-camr and I wish all channels were this quality. Stay awesome man
I have a 8n csl DD love it. But I do wish it had more. When you see that it clips just a little in long corners. You don't need it, but I want it. If I was to upgrade it would have to be 16n bass. Not worth upgrading for 4n.
Upgrading to the R12 from the Thrustmaster T248 :D The 248 is fine, but it's time for a DD wheel for me. Got my order in, can't wait for it to come in :p
Wie Immer Toller Rewie :-) Ich habe alles von Fanatec CSL DD Pro mit Boostkit 8 nm und mir reicht das völlig aus das FFB. Egal welche Klasse ich fahre. In Assetto Corsa fahren ich mit einem Custom FFB mit FFB Clip Software. Das gleiche auch in AMS2 mit Custom FFB mal abwarten was das neue 1.5 Physic Update bringt. Habe alles von Fanataec Podiumhub mit Buttonplate, Mc Laren gt3 v2 mit Simshifters Z Hybrid Paddels umgebaut. Wenn ich GT1 oder Prototypklassen fahre dann mit der Poduim Buttonplate mit einem Turn Racing Wheel. Wenn ich Gt3 Fahre dann mit dem Mc Laren Gt3 V2 Wheel. Hab auch das Formula 2.5version aber die Felge ist mir einfach zu klein auf Dauer. Bei TCR oder Strassenautos das BMW M3 Gt2 . Jeder hat so seine Vorlieben wegen dem FFB zu viel ist nicht immer gut man muss die Balance einfach finden. Ich werde weiter bei Fanatec bleiben da ich damit bis jetzt nur gutes sagen kann. Und diese ist schon seit Anfang 2022 Dauerhaft im Einsatz. Ich weiss ich komme aus Europa da ist es mit Fanatec etwas einfacher als in der USA, Kanada oder China. Beste GRüsse gehn raus in die Welt.
Fanatec legit isn’t even trying. Honestly, they really haven’t released anything worth a damn in years. I’m talking about things within reasonable price.
All direct drives should be around the 1000 dollar mark. The prices for them are outrageous which is why I can justify sticking with my shitty logitech g923
Would the logitech g pro wheel be pretty similar to this? Or would that extra 1nm make a big difference. The g pro wheel is pretty much same price as the r12 with a rim
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NOTE: The R12 has just received a significant price drop to $499USD, as well as a software/firmware update to impreve the force feedback - Latest details, deals and Discount Codes can be found HERE: boostedmedia.net/products/moza/
Is the fanatec clubsport superior than the r12?
@@Curtishooo Fanatec is bankrupt. Not a joke. Don't buy into them you will not get warranty possibly.
I’m literally sitting in the parking lot of a micro center waiting for it to open lol
Haha! Tell them we said Hi!
13:58 A little note. To change the colors you must move the joysticks not pressing but both towards the central side. (Left stick to the right and Right stick to the left) to enter customization mode, and save.
Correct. We’ve since got it working. The instructions that shipped with the wheel were incorrect.
Great review, as always!
Just a quick note on one thing you said: Carbon Fibre Reinforced Polymer (CFRP) is literally the designation of any part made out of carbon fibre. You have a polymer (the resin that acts like the matrix) reinforced with carbon fibre strands. So, when you see a "real" carbon fibre piece, it is a CFRP piece.
Thanks!
All we need is console compatibility. Love that they're pushing the envelope and making prices more competitive!
It’s too much money to get console license… it’s not worth it for smaller sim companies
I 100% doubt that a Company like Moza or Cammus will ever have Console Compatibility
They may announce Xbox support in mid-July
I run my Moza 5 on Xbox via a third party dongle, the Ras1ution 2 from Brooks Gaming. Works great!
@@cornbreadsfishing1036 How does the FFB feels? It does emulate other wheels, right?
Was just looking through their store and was suprised to see a new wheel so came here to see what was going on, always great reviews for new tech.
I think I’m going to pull the trigger on the R12! Thank you for this review. Upgraded to an ASR1 rig and now pairing it with Moza R12. Really excited to see how different it’s going to be from My G29 setup.
Incredible value. Especially the wheel is something I have been expecting from Fanatec for a while.
Love to see the Micro Center support. I'm lucky enough to have one near me and their selection and prices are really awesome, and the people are great too. There's nowhere else to really go to see computer hardware, let alone sim hardware, in person. I experienced direct drive for the first time when I was there last weekend and it has me itching to upgrade. The R12 fits the bill really well, so this is tempting for when I upgrade. If Fanatec come out with something in this range though I'll probably go for that since I could then keep my Formula 2.5 wheel with the paddle module that I love. I don't want to settle for 8nm with the CSL DD but the Podium bases are just way too expensive for me. You're right, there's a huge hole in their ecosystem that they should really fill.
Glad you got the Microcenter sponsorship. You deserve it mate.
i work at microcenter, cool to see this!
I’m actually loving this back and forth with these two companies I hope Fanatec do make a move that gamers will like, it helps us customers. If Moza get Console support PS5 for me then I might actually consider them over Fanatec tbh.
Even if Fanatec do produce a response, good luck getting one and navigating the atrocious customer service and delivery. It’s almost like they don’t actually want you to buy from them sometimes. Eventually got there in the end though! 👍
@@Gregg4886 8 months later and I just cancelled my Fanatec order and went with Moza. Fanatec has lost the battle, which sucks because they used to be my go to brand
This KS wheel is exactly what I was hoping for. I’m still pretty new to sim racing and just couldn’t justify the price of the other two GT wheels.
Once u disable hand off protection in pit house the issue with the wheel feeling like it lost connection while drifting and changing directions very fast is gone :) Makes sense but they should make it more clear that u need to disable it for drifting.
Fair play to Moza I got the R5 Bundle 4/5 Months ago to replace a G920, didn't use the pedals as already had TCLMs. Everything from the ordering, packaging, quality of product, software has all been top notch. The Fanatec stuff was constantly on back order so I went Moza as a 2nd choice but glad I did now. I'm just using a desk mount so going beyond 5NM would probably destroy the desk but if I ever get a proper rig and wanted more strength would defo stick with Moza.
Great review . It looks like I’ll need to save up just a little longer. Also I like the micro center support. Me and my son often make a yearly 6hr drive to our nearest micro center.
Bought the KS wheel along with the universal hub, happily using it with my Cammus base. The lightness of the KS has really improved the detail felt through the Cammus.
Congrats on Microcenter deal. They are top notch! They are not the cheapest in town but we should reward them for actually stocking multiple sim gear brands on their shelves and have a simulator set up to try out the gear! If you live near one, you are doing yourself a disservice not trying them. They stock all the best and gear! GSI, Simucube, Moza, Aestek, etc etc. But for those that keep waiting for Fanatec to release a ~12-5nm DD base, just get the DD1, it is silly how so many people think there needs to be 6 different power level bases available. Buy once, cry once, go for the largest peak/ sustained NMs you can afford because of the extra clipping headroom and better future proof your purchase
I got the KS from Micro Center as an open box for $80 off and I love it so far, has more than enough for most cars, even the GTPs in iRacing. My MC also had the fancy Moza formula wheel with the screen for $650, the KS felt a lot more comfortable in my hands
"Your move, Fanatec." Says everyone, for the last three years.
It's been so long since Fanatec released something new. Waited 2 years for them to release a dashed wheel. I eventually got tired of waiting and got the FSR Wheel when the Moza hub and adapter was released. Love it. Quick release was game changing attached to my DD2, and it's difficult to go back. Been looking at getting another Moza wheel like this one so I don't have to take off the Podium hub and move my pedals and chair around switching to my Fanatec Formula rim. Moza's just been hitting it out of the park with every release.
Only thing that's missing is console support. Would also love to see them add Simhub compatibility with their dashes.
What's a "dashed" wheel?
@@Daz555Daz Just a prototype/formula wheel that has an integrated dash like the Moza FSR Formula wheel.
Moza must have raised their prices, at least for Australia? I am seeing $499 for the KS Wheel and $1,059 for the R12
Not sure. The pricing listed is the pricing they supplied us with last week when we were shooting.
@boosted media from my experience the disconnection issue mainly comes from drifting as i experience it on my r9. i seem to have narrowed it down to the hands off protection in the firmware, this has not always been a issue and i have only noticed it in the last few months. with hand off protection disabled i have no longer had any disconnection issues
Hello, please tell me, on my new Moza R12 steering wheel base the model name (bottom side, second line) says Model: S4. Is this a new or old revision?
So far I have only seen Model: R12.
Glad I have held out an extra couple of weeks. Was set on the Asetek Forte but not needing an extra mount this has saved me over £600. Upgrading from a Clubsport 2.5 and McLaren V2 wheel onto my GT Omega Prime. Im sticking with the Fanatec V3's as I just love the feel of them so hoping they make a good pairing. Hoping to get many good years out of this.
I always value your opinions Will, keep up the good work .
Microcenter sales after this video 📈
If Moza gets console compatibility I will switch over from Fanatec without hesitation.
Why not just buy a computer lol
100% get that console compatibility sorted!!! 🙏🙏
@@slackerZ1
Because I am assuming he plays GT7.
@@samueljones3668and he doesn't want to get into the constant upgrade cycle involved with PCs
@@slackerZ1"just"
I do hope this puts some pressure on fanatec to release a base in between the 8nm cslDD and tthe DD1 ( maybe with the same boost pack approach as the DD with options for, let's say, 10nm or 15nm)
The wheel side to side wiggle is a item to item variance from what I can tell. My brother and I both bought the original R9 with GS wheel, his does not have the wiggle but mine does. I do not notice during racing.
I suspect it has something to do with how the milling on either the base shaft connection point, or parts of the quick disconnect itself. I have yet to actually measure to find out, but I suspect it is a variance that could be accounted for by a part getting too hot during milling and expanding.
Yep just like with Fanatec it would be down to the percentage of tolerance in the sleeve and shaft. THat said, I've observed far less variance with Moza than Fanatec with regards to the QR. All my Moza wheels and bases so far have fit pretty snugly.
That KS wheel is absolutely the perfect entry-level GT racing rim I've ever seen.
I have been doing tons of research of what's all available and pricing out what I want for my upgraded rig setup, and was mostly on board with the Moza ecosystem, but that KS wheel just sealed the deal.
I wasn't sure I could afford the GS V2 but wanted something along that line, and was leaning towards the Fanatec Mclaren GT3 wheel and ecosystem because of it.
Now that's been settled completely. Incredible effort from Moza.
I have always been keen on Moza, almost went R9, but now r12 + KS is what i would get.
The tricky part is that fanatec's deals right now on CSL DD soo good its hard not to go that way
Same boat - R12 and KS Wheel just landed today...........now waiting on the table mount.
alpha mini way better
Dude I won't regret it I have a R12 CRP pedals setup and a R5 bundle that's my backup or so a buddy or family member can play with me yeah I'm honestly blown away by Moza's R12 it's so good
Now Fanatec just needs a Clubsport DD Base :)
At Fanatec's pace they might release a 12 NM wheelbase 10 years from now 😂
Try Logitechs pace... Still waiting for the first wheel, heck I'd take an announcement
Thrustmaster said they would release 3 wheels for the new t818 this q2 but still nothing, and pedals haven't even been mentioned
Man I own this R12 Moza base it's truly exceptional best decision ever purchasing this guy it pairs well with the CRP pedals and Moza Handbrake and Shifter it's Definitely made a positive improvement in my sim drifting now I don't know what to do with my R5 and Logitech g29 I guess give one to my nephew and sell the other so I can buy another wheel a RS V2 or FSR or even get a QR and my own custom wheel rim for drifting
33:00 Exactly same thing has been happening to me with R9 in rallycross in Iracing in last few weeks.
Good to know it’s not just me. Thanks for the comment.
No way moza came out with a banger I am ready to buy this new wheel
The title of this video aged VERY well…
first thought - the steering wheel looks like the williams f1 wheel :D but it looks GOOD!!!
Haha I hadn't made that connection but you're right!
@@boostedmedia hahaha sometimes you dont see the obvious. but as i got into williams yesterday in my f1 23 league, i remembered it on first sight :D tbh. i love the design! and i really hope fanatec gives us new formula wheels and new bases... their stuff is a bit outdated..... :S
A 12nm wheelbase still in a smalll form factor and a cheaper formula wheel without the unnecessary (IMO) screen? This is exactly what I've dreamed of and it's getting extremely hard to resist pulling the trigger on this kit.
Very tempted to ditch Fanatec for this setup. Great price and amazing features. Pretty much what I was looking for in a setup.
the pedals though. even their best pedals aren't good. that to me makes fanatec more appealing.
@@delasse3178 Idunno man, the CR-Ps have been absolutely phenomenal for me in my setup, I think they've worked out a lot of the random noisy bits in QA since many of the reviews for the pedals came out. The metal and heft of it feels really nice. Only downside is they can't be inverted at the moment. But regardless, if you don't need console compatibility, you could always do any of the many other high end pedal choices. Or get a Raso1ution (or whatever its called) adapter and do the same on console, idk if theres such a need to remain in just one ecosystem nowadays.
@@delasse3178 I'm on PC. I can get better pedals.
@@wwjnz9263 For the same price, what is better?
It's a shame they dropped the LED, it could be turned off in Pithouse if you didn't like it and was useful when diagnosing FFB loss.
Was almost going to pull the trigger on a simagic alpha mini, guess I'll have to reconsider my upgrade now
Simagic is same price and bit beter quality
In the same boat (I place my order for one a few days ago). Good luck deciding!
What I've come to realize with configuring these DD wheel bases for drifting it's all about balancing the FFB power with the dampener settings.
You want to have a responsive wheel and that can be achieved by lower FFB Gain but then you have to lower the dampener so the wheel can start rotating as soon as it can.
Or you could go high FFB Gain setting but then you have to put a lot of dampening to compensate for the wheel rotating to quickly and being too eratic.
Finding the balance is the key and it can depend from person to person some people like it to be low intensity so they can control the drift easier some like it higher.
This also depends what wheel rim you're running how wide it is, how heavy etc ... inertia and all that.
We want more dashes from moza dash software , great review
I had the same problem pushing the joysticks to go into the buttons color mod and it turns out I had to push both joysticks inwards (left to the right and right to the left)
Yep. The instruction manual I was sent was incorrect. Just figured it out about an hour ago.
I was just thinking the other night that fanatec needs around a 12-15nm base to fit the csl elite mid range and preferably with the new qr2 system... hopefully this pushes them to stop being stagnate with new products lol
I'm a bit confused about how it isnt cabon fiber. You said it is carbon fiber reinforced polymer, or CFRP, but that is how you always use carbon fiber. When creating stuff from carbon fiber, you use carbon fiber weaves and coat that with epoxy (plastic) to create a hard material. Is this wheel not made of CFRP in the usual way?
CF and CFRP are not the same thing. Carbon Fibre is generally made up of multiple stacked layers. This is a single injection moulded layer so it’s nowhere near as rigid.
@@boostedmedia I understand if this is just one layer, but even with multiple layers it is still called CFRP. You always use epoxy with the carbon fibre
EDIT: (At least for this application. Other applications may use CF in different ways)
Fanatec are sleeping and they have been for years. It pains me to say that because I own a Podium DD1 and I'm fully invested in the ecosystem - I just wish they released some new wheel rims - almost all the competition has got a GT/Formula style wheel with a screen and Fanatec don't seem to be bothered :/ They are losing customers with every release like this one and rightly so
Why is the r12 not compatible with the e stop switch if it has an input?
pretty sure the ffb cut when drifting is the hands off protection
Bingo.
Im the group of people who wait a lot to buy something and after buying, feels like every release are just better deal than i did 😭
Once Moza gets console support for a decent price, I'm pretty sure they'll be flying past Fanatec in no time.
Running an R5 base currently, and finding out the KS wheel is a bit lighter than the ES wheel, and nearly as light as with the formula wheel mod, this should be absolutely great even on the R5! Found my next upgrade, along with the 12 inch wheel mod instead of the formula 😅
You didn't quite seem to finish the reasoning with regards to filtering/dampening on the R12 vs R9 and R5. Is the takeaway that the R12 is now on level with the likes of Forte/CSL DD etc. when it comes to filtering? I.e. R12 needs much less of it compared to R9?
I'm referring to this:
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"Now the things that stood out to me about the R12 comparing with the R9 one of the complaints that I've had previously about moza wheelbases is that you do tend to need to run a little bit more filtering than with some other brands to achieve a smooth overall feel. So what I would find is I'd have to run the dampening quite high for example [...] I found in the past with moza bases if you don't have that filtering in place they can feel just that little bit robotic in comparison to other alternatives."
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And it stops there. But it sounds like you're saying that this is not an issue anymore with the R12, is that correct?
Not quite at the same level as the Forte, but definetly a step closer with regards to not needing heavy filtering to achieve a good feel compared with past experiences.
@@boostedmedia Robotic = cogging?
Now if Moza could just partner with HP for a "G3" headset replacement, specifically for the Sim market (including flight sims).
The wheel I have been waiting for, great price/value option to pair with my r9. Can't wait to use it on ACC. Just ordered from Abruzzi in the UK. ;)
I just ordered the wheel base and wheel from the same place.
Great Video, you helped me make up my mind. Thank You!
Fanatec CSW DD finally coming maybe? They already lowered the price of the CSL DD by alot, would make sense to be able to place the CSW cometitively on the market?
Man, I really wish my wheelbase had that FFB Equalizer.
This new base looks great! Always happy to see more entries in the market. Just last weekend I ordered a simagic alpha mini w/ Fanatec Elite V2 pedals. The base hasn't shipped yet; would you say this wheel base would have a significant upgrade over the mini? It's rated for 10nm but independent reviewers have noted that it can actually peak as 13nm, so I suppose these 2 bases are about the same in that regard. Thanks!
The mini is probably better
Waiting on my KS to ship now!
I'd get the R9 and spend the money saved on a wheel upgrade.
How would you compare the shifter paddles on the KS vs the CS wheel?
Great review, thank you 🙏
Damn, so Fanatec went and cut prices for the P1 bundle renamed ready2race 5nm DD that can be upgraded to 8nm. And then moza releases these.
Interesting and this is good for consumers.
Although r12 is definitely still expensive.
Id rather have them release a wheelbase that can be upgraded to higher FB nm.
im really starting to regret buying the logitech g pro, I love the fact that it is essentially plug and play but for gods sake can Logitech release a GT3 or formula style rim already...
They still haven’t even shared a roadmap for new wheels. I have no idea what’s going on over there but it’s really not instilling confidence in the ecosystem.
I want to upgrade my T300 soon, I already got the Fanatec CSL Elite V2 Pedals so I dont know if I should go for a Moza base/wheel or stick to Fanantec but this KS wheel + the R9 is a very tempting set.
can't you use the CSL elite v2 pedals standalone? nothing stopping you from just using those with the moza base/wheel if that's the case. Don't need to box yourself in to using just 1 brand if you're on PC anyways
@@amr1t_ yeah I know, atm is just a decision i have to make for the wheel base. Fanatec or Moza
Moza all the way!
Price including shipping to Aus seems high, $1200. At that price point I'd rather spend a bit more and get the VRS DD. Hopefully some aussie retailers sell for cheaper but I'm doubtful based on moza's other products.
Compare it to the Simagic Alpha Mini 10, it gets better reviews.
We don’t review any simagic products anymore after the treatment we have received in the past and seeing how they have bullied other reviewers.
@@boostedmedia its a shame that simagic's pr team lets them down. I went for simagic before moza had really hit the scene but moza have made positive strides lately and seem to be more inclusive with the community than simagic, If I had to choose again I probably would have gone with moza but I do love the quality of simagic products.
@@boostedmedia Sorry to hear that, I missed it for some reason. Hopefully you can resolve your differences in the future, in the name of life is too short and all that. :-)
Would it be possible to do some kind of review on 3rd party options that run the Moza wheel base with a console?!
It was not clear to me your opinion about the FFB. You talked about the other Moza bases being a little robotic when unfiltered but wasn't really emphatic on whether or not this one is better and how it compares to Asetek, etc
I had to return my R9, while I was using it at 80% FFB it would get too hot and reduce the FFB to 10% within and hour of use, really annoying, If I were to use the R12 at 9-10nm because there is more of a threshold would this problem be less likely so happen?
That's what i would like to know too
My god I just bought my R9 3 weeks ago lol. But I'll probably still get the GS V2 since I'm not looking for budget gear necessarily
Oh man, I'm still using a belt driven thrustmaster wheel, but seeing the FFB tweaks you can make in the Moza software is VERY appealing. I want to upgrade to a DD, and intended on staying in the Thrustmaster eco-system to use all my current rims, but I really really like this Moza software, and this may end up being the deciding factor for me
i do like a variety of rims, and I do really wish some of these DD companies offered some rims in the $200-300 price point. While the stuff out there looks awesome, I really don't need an $800 carbon rim for my sim rig. I race in VR and the rims I own from Thrustmaster are plenty for my needs, and i really don't think I'd benefit much from a super high end rim that costs 3x as much and is nicer than most actual race car rims
Exactly my same situation. Thrustmaster TS-PC in VR looking to uograde to a DD soon. I was really tempted by the CSL DD with the Macca GT3 wheel, because the lack of a decently priced/specced wheel from Moza. Now with this KS the game is changed and maybe an aggressively priced bundle from Moza could let me lean towards them a bit more. R9+KS could really be a great combo for the hobbyist simmer on a tight budget
VR user here as you. No worries. Don't force yourself. You didn't mention what TM model you're using.. t300, TS? Owned both. Both are great for the money. switched to a 20nm DD base (using 10nm max atm) Sure dd is nice and fun, as you said i spent hundreds, probably thousands on customs wheels.
But is it worth it? It doesn't make me personally faster. Adds immersion, yes. Keep in mind we've been racing with belt wheelbases for 30 years or so 😂
I'd rather spend that money in load cell pedals if you don't already have one.
Don't forget, the best setup out there is the one you have or the one you can afford. Shiny new products are always exciting but don't rush anything
@@Michelsen3K I have a T500RS and a TX (I use the T500 generally). I do use a modified set of T-LCM Pedals
Then go with the thrust master DD if you wana stay with in the TM eco system.
Is there a type of "static force reduction" setting in the Moza software?
Helping a friend, who tested out my VRS pro and only needs about half the force.
He preferred the feel when the static force during turns was greatly reduced, without ruining the other FFB effects.
researched online. The only answer found, was to modify the sim ini files. (not sure that can be done in all sim titles).
Next option was the simagic alpha mini. couldn't find any info about static force reduction on that wheelbase either.
It seems only certain brands have this option.
watched your asetek review, (in which it's called "cornering force assist"). The size of the la prima is too large to clamp to a "very solid" desk and the price was above also above his budget.
roflmao, Fanatec fails to bring out a new QR for years and years after everyone is complaining... so don't waste your breath lol... they will have an answer in about 20 years ;)
Been looking at the monza r9 and GS GT wheel for a few months now. Now there’s a 200 dollar cheaper wheel? Very interesting, this review could definelty sway me to pick up this new wheel!
Been waiting 2 years to build a sim rig but I think now the time has finally come
I wish I waited half a year, i have r9 :D
@@4fr0pl same xD
It's a good time for sim racing.
Im very glad i got into it recently as well
I'm currently eying with the La Prima Wheelbase as it did hit my sweet spot for price value ratio. Only what made me a bit hesitant is that there is currently only the formula wheel available and I do love to drive the 90s dtm and stock cars as well as rally which just doesn't work with the la prima Formula wheel.
Now Moza is pushing the R12 to the market which would be with the CS V2 wheel still be 100 bucks less then the La Prima. Which again is already 1/3rd of the additional KS Wheel.
Guess I'll wait a bit until there are reviews of the La Prima available.
And now I'm
Wow I recently ordered the R12 for $589 US. Didn't know it was a price drop from the then $649 R9, which is now $439. Got the $279 KS wheel compared to a $519 Cube F Core. Great deal Moza
Moza has a setting which is supposed to save your fingers. When the wheelbase detects that you let go off the wheel or the wheel rotates a lot without resistance, it cuts the ffb off.
oooh that explains the issue with drifting!
You could've compared to thrustmaster dd with the sf1000 wheel, it's at 11nm.
Don’t have the thrustmaster here to compare it to unfortunately.
@@boostedmedia I would love a comparison from you if interested, as I've enjoyed your content and built my Sim off your feedback.
Hey Will im going from a Thrustmaster TS XW to Moza should i go straight to the R12 or is the R9 sufficient, $250 price difference dont want to upgrade for about 5 years after this. Using CS V2 wheel and maybe the KS Wheel PS do i need a emergency stop if i get the R12
Typical the Moza website has broken the one time I want to buy something! 😆
Hey Will, just wanted to say I like that the sponsor of the video is a store rather than a sim-racing company, improves the reliability and independency for the reviews, hope to see more companies do this, so we can keep seeing these great reviews without you being financially dependent on any competitor in the market
Moza wheels look absolutely fantastic, Fanatec and Asetek should take notes on the how to make great looking formula wheels. If I was Asetek I'd stop whatever work I'm doing on rigs right now and get the La Prima bundles out to the reviewers, and speed up a process to release more wheels. If I was Fanatec I'd fire whoever is responsible for the QR2 delay and get a 12-15nm base at a good price out asap. Moza is taking all the glory right now.
19:22 The text on the right says "Moza R9 Wheelbase", but the price is $650. I get that this is actually the price of that Asetek wheel?
oh man I've been looking at dd wheels for a while, but heard from so many that 12 nm is the optimal and 16 nm bases were so expensive, this is really peaked my interest
Love the content! You should do a collab with Hardware Unboxed!
You push both joysticks inwards twords each other to enter programming mode, then point both outwards away from each other to exit programming mode. You just pushed them down like xbox joysticks. I only noticed this because I did the same thing when I first got mine.
I’ve been watching your videos over the last couple days before purchasing a rig… and must I say thank you!Your videos are so amazingly helpful, you don’t miss a single detail. You are a amazing TH-camr and I wish all channels were this quality.
Stay awesome man
As an upgrade I think you should stress the lack of v1 wheel support.
Does anyone know if the R9 or R12 base pushes the rim further forward than the R5 base, when mounted on the same bracket/frame ?
Thnx !
I have a 8n csl DD love it. But I do wish it had more. When you see that it clips just a little in long corners. You don't need it, but I want it. If I was to upgrade it would have to be 16n bass. Not worth upgrading for 4n.
just pulled the trigger on the pre order. bit of an upgrade from the old g923
Just ordered mine on their site, up to 20 days processing time before shipping, my god, it's killing me.
Do you think KS and R12 will be good combo
Upgrading to the R12 from the Thrustmaster T248 :D The 248 is fine, but it's time for a DD wheel for me. Got my order in, can't wait for it to come in :p
Just waiting for Dave 'I'm not a reviewer' Cam to review now 😅
😂
Fanatec and Moza trading blows and looks like Moza is winning
Wie Immer Toller Rewie :-)
Ich habe alles von Fanatec CSL DD Pro mit Boostkit 8 nm und mir reicht das völlig aus das FFB.
Egal welche Klasse ich fahre. In Assetto Corsa fahren ich mit einem Custom FFB mit FFB Clip Software. Das gleiche auch in AMS2 mit Custom FFB mal abwarten was das neue 1.5 Physic Update bringt. Habe alles von Fanataec Podiumhub mit Buttonplate, Mc Laren gt3 v2 mit Simshifters Z Hybrid Paddels umgebaut. Wenn ich GT1 oder Prototypklassen fahre dann mit der Poduim Buttonplate mit einem Turn Racing Wheel. Wenn ich Gt3 Fahre dann mit dem Mc Laren Gt3 V2 Wheel. Hab auch das Formula 2.5version aber die Felge ist mir einfach zu klein auf Dauer. Bei TCR oder Strassenautos das BMW M3 Gt2 . Jeder hat so seine Vorlieben wegen dem FFB zu viel ist nicht immer gut man muss die Balance einfach finden. Ich werde weiter bei Fanatec bleiben da ich damit bis jetzt nur gutes sagen kann. Und diese ist schon seit Anfang 2022 Dauerhaft im Einsatz. Ich weiss ich komme aus Europa da ist es mit Fanatec etwas einfacher als in der USA, Kanada oder China.
Beste GRüsse gehn raus in die Welt.
Fanatec legit isn’t even trying. Honestly, they really haven’t released anything worth a damn in years. I’m talking about things within reasonable price.
Why no one ist speaking about the Asetek La Prima Bundle? With the La Prima you get also 12Nm
Someone commented before watching the video
@@boostedmedia Yes not to the end. I hope you will get one from Asetek to test it
All direct drives should be around the 1000 dollar mark. The prices for them are outrageous which is why I can justify sticking with my shitty logitech g923
do you guys still have a code for moza??
Would the logitech g pro wheel be pretty similar to this? Or would that extra 1nm make a big difference. The g pro wheel is pretty much same price as the r12 with a rim