BEFORE You Buy a Tesla | NEW Tax Credit Edition | Model S, 3, X, Y
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- Breaking down each Tesla vehicle, what options there are, what options you should get, and how the updated EV federal tax credit could help bring prices down.
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Gas stations like Costco are a 20 minute wait these days.
This is the best review and explanation of all Tesla's 😍 thank you for combining all this important information!
Ryan, you're awesome. Great video once again, beautifully put together. Please, never stop posting! Tesla FTW
Hi Ryan, I heard the Standard Range+ Model 3 won't qualify with the $7500 tax credit due to the battery is not made in the US and it's from China can you find more info about this? TIA 👍🤟🙏👍👍
Have you tried summon/smart summon after getting a tesla with a Ryzen plus the new connectivity card? I'm hoping that the new connectivity card will offer a more reliable data connection for summon services to stay connected to your mobile. I've only had a chance to test the speeds and it's much better than the OG connectivity card.
Excellent review..short and concise. Well done.
Ryan I found this TH-cam very helpful. Thanks to your review I was able to make a decision on placing my order.
Idk if it has been mentioned but FSD stays with the car when you sell it/trade it, it would be different it that stayed with your tesla account
my base M3 delivery is supposed to happen sometime between Nov 1st and Dec 12.
im paying close attention to see if it would make sense to delay my delivery to 2023 to hopefully get the tax credit.
My UK order for a MYLR (in white with white upholstery & 19in wheels) was recently put back by two whole months from Sept/Oct to Nov//Dec 2022. Extremely annoying and frustrating.
Thanks for the great overview of all models and tax incentives. Very Complete!
A few suggestions for future topics: Removing unwanted or inadvertent suspension raising locations. Relocating the left rear camera screen position to the upper left corner when the left turn indicator is activated to better assist in freeway merging. Changing locations of Home, Office, Favorites. Adding third party apps such as DoorKing for community gate access as many gate receivers do not activate from the car remote until quite close to the entry gate. Adding WAZE would be nice in CA. Requesting Tesla address the very slow autopilot acceleration in stop and go freeway traffic.
Love ❤️ the update
I ordered model Y in January of 22. The date at first was March, than June, than august, than September, now it’s October! Insane. Feels like millions of people ordered one. What is particularly bad is that if I wanted to finance it… it gets worse, because the interest rate keeps going up and you can’t lock it.
love the videos, and absolutely love how often you listen to Lettuce. Keep that funk alive!
This is excellent you always deliver great videos and intel on the Ev market!
Does it emit electromagnetic frequency . How about supercharging stations when you stay in the car and it's charging
Also if you make more than 150k or jointly file for >300k you don’t qualify for tax credit. Thank you Ryan! I’ve thoroughly enjoyed your channel. Hope to get my delivery in the next 2 weeks!
Does "purchased" mean the same as ",ordered" or at the point where you take delivery?
I purchased FSD for my Plaid. I can’t get a high enough score to qualify as I drive a surface street with tight curves and parked cars. My car frequently alerts me of a potential collision, though I am safely staying in my lane and will easily avoid a collision as I continue through the curve. Any suggestions? Thanks
What is the difference between city streets and FSD? I went from a store to home within a city in FSD mode
So, in my understanding, even if we pre-order our Tesla right now Aug 2022, we won't get it until 2023, so that means it should qualify us for the tax credit of $7500 for Model Y bcus we won't start paying for the car until we receive it once it's been delivered to us... is that right Ryan?
I ordered my model3 long range on July 7th first estimated delivery was oct22 to dec22 then it changed to nov10 to Dec 22 then today it changed to Nov 2022 to Feb 2023. I'm new at this should I go ahead with financing or wait will that speed it up any Info would be appreciated
By far this is the best Tesla channel!!!
I would love to share my recent history renting a model Y with Hertz and l was very let down with the supercharger network going from LA to Sequíoa National Park. Two of the 3 supercharger stations were not working leading us to drive 65 miles round trip to get enough charge to go up into the national park. I get we were in the mountains but c'mon Tesla; l Can see this in the Midwest but in CA? We even came back to Malibu and one station closest to us had 4 of the 6 chargers showing errors on my rental and others. Why the crappy charging stations Tesla?
I am looking forward to owning. Tesla in the future but when you decide to charge your phone and use the AC please provide a more reasonable mileage/charge. Please change the seat controls so they can easily be adjusted when driving. I had to open the door with each seat adjustment which was so annoying. One last thing, Tesla gps is horrible when it comes to others like Waze. More than a handful of times Tesla took me onto the 101 in bumper to bumper traffic crawling slowly where l could have easily taken an alternative route. Anyone else share similar feelings?
So if my order is expected to come this November/December then I'm out of luck?
I just ordered a tesla model y performance ! Should I cancel the order ? It will arrive between September to October.
Any updates on the tax credit?
Up here in New Brunswick canada we have no tax credits for any ev over 60000, the cheapest Tesla here is model 3 rwd and it’s 61980. So it makes it even harder to afford one.
isn't the preformance model 3 just the speed increase 0-60 and can't you upgrade the LR with a 2k upgrade and get the same result
Why does Tesla recommend charging Lifepo4 batteries to 100% when many specs for these suggest keeping them between 10-90% for longevity. Is it to keep the voltage up for performance closer to their more expensive batteries?
Can you let us know when to buy a tesla so we can get the Tax credit benefit?
@Ryan - While watching this video, one of the things that struck me is how much prices have gone up. It would be interesting to see a comprehensive video on how much prices have gone up over the last couple years.
I think there is a video already up for that if I’m not mistaking
Ryan, well said about FSD. Absolutely not useful to me. My local driving is short, no need to let car does it for me. For long trip, can default/free autopilot follow the highway lane? If so, I am all good.
If I order a tesla model 3 at the price it is now and take delivery of the car in January but the price drops of the car before I take delivery will I get it at that price or we are unclear
"Do not directly pollute" nicely said haha
It is also important to note that if the bill passes as it is, it is likely that the RWD Model 3 probably won't qualify due to the materials/construction of the battery. There is a lot of differing opinions on this so I could be wrong, but better to error on the side of caution and do plenty of research if you are basing your choice on it.
Yes current language limits qualifying cars to have battery packs made in North America with a certain percentage of materials sourced from North America.
So glad this comment put this on my radar. I’ve been looking to pull the trigger once these credits come through. I’ll keep a close eye on this.
Indeed, the only Teslas that will currently qualify for the tax credit are the two Model Ys IF they're recognized as SUVs. The assertions in the video about a sub $40,000 Tesla "if nothing changes" is incorrect. I'm puzzled by all the TH-camrs that gloss over the fact that the China-sourced LFP batteries in the RWD would exclude the only Model 3 that is currently cheap enough to qualify.
@@chadowe Yes i bet Tesla will drop M3-LR& M3P pricing so that MYs are not cheaper than M3s. 🤣 Btw the model Y is officially classified as an SUV and under the bills current language will qualify as long as the price is below $80k.
Why the youtuber still dont get LFP dont qualify. Misinformation thinking M3 SR for $39k. Wrong!!!!
I think the standard range Y is 63k if in base configuration if you can even get one. Also New LMFP battery may be on the menu some places
next year.
Hey Ryan! Love you videos. I see that you comment on lots of individual’s posts saying you have ideas and to check your inbox. Do you have some documentation that you share? Super keen to check out what you have. I’m expecting a MYLR this month after having ordered it in October last year. Fingers crossed.
Is it true that all Model Y’ s battery are made in US so they all qualify for the $7500 credit ,but not Model 3 ? Please clarify thank you.
Ordered a LR Model Y in October of last year and the delivery date has been pushed time and time again it's looking like it will be over a year before I finally get mine. At this point I hope it gets delayed until January 1 so I can at least get the tax credit to assuage my troubles
Do you have the produced and delivered numbers backwards, or am I missing something? How do you deliver more cars then you actually produced?
Cars were produced near end of a prior quarter then delivered in next quarter
Hello Ryan, love watching your videos. Question about the Model Y performance, what is the ground clearence like on speed bumps and slight incline driveways, I know it rides lower than the Long Range.
It's 0.6 inches lower for the Performance which isn't a lot. Ground clearance is 6.6inches.
@@BM0v0 So clearing speed bumps and stuff is no issue ??? It looks so low in pics.
@@bradleyeis7319 not that I have heard unless it's a tall curb
So if i get a model y now and the bill passes in 2023 i wont be able to get the 7.5k?
I ordered my model y a few months ago. And I'm hoping I can push it off till next year for that credit.
Same here! is your date between Dec-Feb like mine?
@@mikec5958 mine constantly changes. It said I was supposed to get it this month between 1st-15th. Now it's changed to about that time frame you mentioned.
Quality content. Looks like it targets people very new to Tesla. I think you should say a thing or two more about "one pedal driving". 👍👍
Website recap. How Ryan tells us there's no Tesla news without telling us there's no Tesla news lol
Great video! I always look forward to your new content. 👍
Automatic Parking has improved dramatically in the last two weeks!! 😎
Expecting delivery Of my performance model three this month. I’m debating on canceling the order and re-ordering after the tax credit goes into affect. What do you guys think?
performance model won't qualify for tax credit. only the base model 3 and maybe the long range if tesla decides to lower the price to below $55,000. (which is quite likely to happen)
What Dan said.. Or maybe consider canceling the 3 perf and order the Y perf that would be eligible for the $7500 tax credit and end up costing $$62,490 or $500 less than the 3 perf at $62,990
NEED YOUR ADVICE/HELP RYAN. Up front, I really enjoy your Tesla videos...keep them coming! I dropped my order and place in line this past march for a MYLR with 19" gemini wheels with the Red paint upgrade. Prior to recent word that Manchin was onboard with the bill including the EV tax credit, my delivery window was year's end into next year (Dec- Jan). Since the announcement regarding likelihood of this legislation passing my delivery has changed twice, both moving it closer and further from the end of the year (as of today it is Oct 31 - Dec 12). With this possible tax credit not going into effect until Jan 1, 1) what are the chances that Elon will give a $7.5k discount from time of passing through the end of the year to keep people from pulling the plug ;) on their order if their delivery is prior to Jan 1? and more importantly 2) If he doesn't offer a discount what are my options for putting off delivery until Jan 1 without losing my order??? I (I'm guessing along with many other in the same situation) look forward to your response. Thanks --John
Question: So does all Model 3 RWD that comes out of Fremont Factory are now all LFP?
Yes
@@jamesjowett35 Great! I was hoping it was, I prefer 100% charge than 80% daily.
If you plan on buying the Y, be ready to wait awhile. Bought mine in December 2021. Delivery Is estimated Oct-Nov 2022. My original quote was April 🤣😭
Gm's Super Cruise cost is $2500 and service is included for for 3 years although many other options can be required which will increase the overall price. thEn a connected service is required and range from an extra $15 with select OnStar subscriptions to $25 per month stand alone. Ultra Cruise is coming in 2023 and will work in 95% of all driving scenarios where super cruise is only on major highways I think a modest initial price with a subscription model is better. I thought tesla was offering that at one point all very confusing.
I really hope that Tesla model 3 long range sees a lower price to qualify for the tax credit. It would be huge for those wanting a tesla at a decent price point with a good configuration. The rear-wheel drive doesn't convenience a lot of folks that live through the snow.
Snow tires are great. How do you think front wheel drive cars work in the winter? Also, the car is very heavy. They do great in the snow, you just need the right tires.
We gonna ignore the fact Tesla's lineup spells out 'S3XY'
@@chronicwizdom8638 You’re about three years late to that party my friend
@@chronicwizdom8638 No, I hear Elon did that on purpose .
Isn't the speedometer on the top left of the screen?!
I'm in a bind. My standard range M3 is due to deliver sometime in August. I want it bad right now but if this bill passes will I be out the on the rebate. Do I push back delivery just for this? I don't know...
Something that you can ask yourself is if you can guarantee that you'll get that $7500 tax credit. If you can't, might as well take the delivery. If you can, that's when you can decide if $7500 is worth the wait to push back delivery.
I was curious what folks were going to do, particularly with the Model Ys and M3 SR+. If, say, the bill passed tomorrow, how many people with reservations in Q4 would want to push their delivery back to take advantage? Is Tesla going to have problems getting those cars delivered? Would they maybe shift all of their production to cars that don't qualify (ie, only produce M3 LRs and MY Ps) and clear those orders out? Should be interesting to see what happens. We're looking at getting an MY SR+ as well and are holding off until the start window changes from Nov22 to Jan23 before putting in the reservation.
Obviously your call, but I would push. That's a lot of money if the bill gets passed
Keep in mind prices may increase by the time this bill passes. Will that $7500 really be worth it?
That Tesla service center in this video is at San Francisco. It used to be a Lamborghini dealership.
What about renting?
Imo the FSD option is the best reason to buy a tesla in the first place.
It seems that I can no longer precondition my Tesla for super charging through the app.
I am under the impression that the Model 3 RWD with LFP battery will not qualify for tax credit. Is that correct? Thanks in advance.
Under the bills current language you are correct.
It appears as though it will in 2023, but not 2024
What are the horse power for both of the Model 3 and Model Y? Why is Tesla no sharing this information.
I have purchased model y long rage in march 2022, if this bill passes can i get the tax credit? Thank you
Unfortunately, you can’t get the credit if you took delivery in 2022.
Mini-topic suggestion...tax incentive related. I am about to order a model Y. I have been holding off for several years as I wanted the dual castings, the 4680 battery pack, and Giga Texas built. I'm hoping to get all that and ordering red/white, standard wheels and FSD (before the price hike). Before adding FSD, the vehicle is nicely under the 80K, but when adding FSD it goes up to just over the 80K , and this is before the pending $3000 increase. The vehicle could be bought w/o FSD and added later, but who knows how much higher FSD will be at that point. Further, if a person chooses to finance the car, then buying FSD afterward would prohibits it's inclusion of that cost in the financing. Conversely, buying FSD at time of car purchase will likely cost the buyer an extra $7000 on top of the cost of FSD due to the loss of the tax credit (if it indeed the Y qualifies). Unfortunately, that's a pretty good incentive not to buy FSD, which I'm sure is not what Tesla wants. I know it's early days for the tax credit, but my hope tesla comes up with a way to at least allow buys to purchase FSD directly following car purchase and honor the price of FSD at time of car ordering.
Multiple Tesla sales people said that technically the model Y is a crossover and is considered a sedan and not SUV, so as of right now Tesla does not believe the Y qualifies for the Tax credit. This is opposite of what almost every youtubers are reporting. Who is right?
Question for anyone in the know....are delivery charges considered part of the car cost and included in the $80K tax limit?
Do you know if they considered when you ordered the Tesla your purchase date or when you receive your Tesla as the purchase date? I order one earlier this year but it says it's getting delivered December through February 23
For tax purposes
As long as you take delivery in 2023 you will qualify for the tax credit.
Must take delivery in 2023 and that is if the bill is passed as is. The entire EV community is patiently awaiting this bill so just stay tuned for updates.
How are EV companies going to deal with last quarter of this year when no one wants to take delivery and give up 7500 tax break? I imagine they will have 50% cancel rate then have to resell them in Jan?
Yes I would think so... it may change of course or not exist at all. I for one don't think it is necessary or helpful. Tesla doesn't have a demand problem
You said prefer to be charged to 80% is that correct?I always thought it was 90%?
It is 90% .. Tesla recommends it themselves. Not sure why so many think it’s 80%.
I do not have the option to the the enhanced $99/month subscription and I’m in Irvine CA
If you don't have EAP you will not see the &99/month option for FSD.
@@mrgrantsr so I have to pay $6k for eap and an extra $99/month? That makes no sense
It's the worse situation currently for us who have ordered ours in Q3 or Q4 of 2021 and are still waiting for delivery. Cancel, and we'll have to pay the higher pricing, keep it, and we'll miss the $7500 by a few months or even few weeks/days should my delivery date of 8/11 - 8/25 keep moving out into December 2022. I would assume that there will be those that will cancel because of the tax credits.
Can we hold the delivery until Jan 2023? I’m in the same boat..
@@prudhvivahan1722 I don't know if they'll let us hold off. I'm going to try if they keep sliding my delivery to November/December
But you locked in the price at that time, and you’ll receive a 2022 or even a 2023 Tesla. Would the $7500 rebate really justify cancellation especially when Tesla raises their prices again, probably in a few months?
You ordered last year 2021 and still haven't received your car?
When is the US Senate going to vote on the EV Tax Credit?
Wish they would change the effective date to 1-1-2022.
Thats not gonna happen.
So if I ordered a Tesla April 22 when my car arrives and I pay for it am I eligible for the $7500 rebate?
I have the same question let me know if u find something out
As long as you take delivery in 2023 you will get the credit.
Tesla charges $1200 on top of those prices though. Wouldn’t that put the LR way over?
Question: If the EV federal tax credit does pass, will consumers who bought a Tesla from when the first EV federal tax credit was exhausted to when the new proposed law is passed be retroactively reimbursed? Or will it only affect EV's purchased after the law is passed?
Nope! According to the bill, it only apply to vehicles purchased in 2023. That's my understanding.
Sadly, no. Like sway, my understanding was it’s only for 2023 and up.
To be clear, purchase refers to actual delivery. You could order now but probably will need to wait to get it (and actually buy) until Jan or lter
@@johnkestner yea, I heard that tesla is not happy that some buyers are pulling out and hoping to get that delivered by 2023 in order to get that $7500. Makes sense.
Lol why would they reimburse? Of course it will only be for 2023-beyond
I work at Tesla and have seen a lot of three row model Y and they are very small. I'm 4' 9" and I can't even fit. its suitable only for very small children, smaller then me even which was surprising to me.
Tesla needs to allow a more readily accessible horn option to alert pedestrians, especially in large parking lots.
Hi Ryan. You are Ryan. Thanks for being Ryan.
Just trying to figure out “federal credit” vs “federal tax credit” because how you’re saying it is the price is reduced by $7500 from the purchase price when you take delivery. I thought this was a federal tax credit where the price of the vehicle is unaffected but when you file for taxes that’s when you can use the federal credit.
This time looks like it is going to be an instant credit... instead of tax credit.
It can be applied at purchase by the dealer this time around. The original was applied when filing your taxes.
If i order the model y now and if the delivery date is in 2023 do i qualify for the $7500 tax credit?
Yes as long as you receive the vehicle next year Jan 1st
I ordered a model 3 and expected delivery will be late December. Would I still qualify for the tax credit??
This December? No. It’s not retroactive.
I really wanted the y but for the price it doesn't seem worth it
Im just wondering how come, that the EU and US prices are so different? Here in Austria a SR model 3 costs over 56k, so 8k more than in US. Just makes me sad
That sucks. 😕
Maybe because they have to ship cars to your country vs locally manufactured in the US. Plus import taxes from your government.
Lol....I was like 250 mile range...wtxxx., but I heard wrong, 350 is decent.
i like the title order :)
Picked up my M3 RWD last month. It came with a mobile charger. I wasn’t expecting it and had already purchased one used from a guy at work.
Just talked to Tesla about the Federal Tax off sticker price of $7500. It looks like that the will only be good for 2023 because the batteries will not quality the second year as written as the percentage will not qualify as written. The second year without language change not EV makers will not qualify as far as the battery goes.
Will you make a video on degergation?
Man of course I ordered my long range model 3 last week and it seems like now is the only time in the last 5 years that’s been a bad time to buy a Tesla. But for me I don’t think I’ll cancel it even if the prices drop because I have a feeling if I do then I’ll be waiting at least until summer of next year. As of now my delivery is November or December 2022.
I think I just have to get comfortable with the fact that I am not getting a good deal on my Tesla in exchange for getting it significantly sooner. But if the price drop happened and deliveries are like march or earlier if 2023 then I may cancel mine and reorder. I have the worst luck with this stuff.
Considering the wait time for the car I ordered is already at least 2 months later than what I have for my order last week, I’m gonna assume that by the time this price drop could happen, the wait will be well into summer of 2023, maybe later. And yes, I am aware that I’m talking to myself here.
@@jasonwiltjer9 I feel your pain. Mine is set to deliver within the next four weeks, and I'm really debating if I should cancel and get the 7500 credit. Sucks that it is not retroactive.
Hopefully, Tesla will deliver yours in Jan 2023... or you can modify your order in Nov/Dec to receive your car in 2023. Good luck.
My model 3 long range is set for delivery within 2 weeks. I considered cancelling but I’m sticking with it. If prices for the long range model 3 drop below the potential tax credit threshold then that would open up the option to order a new model 3, get the tax credit and sell the model 3 that I’ll soon have. The math might work out so that I can make out with a partial discount but we all have to wait and see how things play out. Great video about how these vehicles are slightly different.
If you qualify would you and your spouse qualify for the $ 7,500 or is this one per household 🤔
funny enough - for me, to order a model 3 to israel, i have a wait time of almost a year, but i can get a model y in just a few month's.
so it's impotent to point out that it's matters where you're ordering from.
I heard the RWD Model 3 wouldn’t qualify for the incentives because the minerals on its batteries are produced in China 🇨🇳
Is this true?
How can you produce 930,422 but sell 935,172 ?????????
Great video, what are your thoughts on Tesla for those who do not have home charging available? While there are other options that are more affordable than Tesla (whether be EV or ICE) would you say that these cars should not be considered if you do not home charging (from both a cost perspective and as a EV in general)?
Get a gas vehicle tbh. Makes life way easier
Lfp battery is no go for bill
Everybody in the EV space needs to know about iron nitride magnets for better electric motors smaller lighter motors without losing torc and speed they do not use rare earth metals that are expensive and have huge environmental impacts please spread the word these magnets need to get into the supply chain for anyone making EVs. Niron Magnetics is bringing them to market this year
10:52 "$7500 point of sale credit"
I hope that means no need to have $7500+ of tax liability?!
Yep
I just don't trust this whole tax credit thing. I'd rater have the government give the credit to the manufacture and give us the rebate.
TLDR: If you ordered in the last 9month you are getting rekt, and if you plan to order soon wait XD
Imagine waiting to get the tax credit and the price of the car goes up...offsetting any decisions you make
good 👍 EP
Seems like these tax credits are going to be more problem for Tesla than benefit:
- First, people who have ordered Model 3s and Model Ys will be incentivized to cancel their orders and take them up next year. This will put downward pressure on Tesla's earnings in 2022
- Also, the lower prices will translate into higher demand in the coming years, but Tesla can't meet demand anyway. Increased demand doesn't help them.
- It also messes with their pricing structure. Particularly for the Model 3. Applying the tax credit to a Model Y brings the price too close to the Model 3, driving down the demand for M3?
- Tesla will have to drop prices of the Model 3 Long Range in order for it to qualify. But then the price will be the same for the Standard Range. That price won't fall because of the battery composition.
- The primary beneficiaries will be Tesla's competitors.
I can't see any way that this tax credit is good for Tesla. At least in the short term.
“Charging typically takes longer than filling up with gas” -Ryan
No, charging ALWAYS takes longer than filling up with gas
But I’ve got a farm truck. So not always.
Lines at Costco are like 20 or more minutes sometimes
I believe he’s talking about the act of just plugging it in. Then you have it charged by morning. Not actually waiting for it to fill up like you have to do at the pump.
@@phebrian for sure, but if you have to charge up on a road trip your tied up for 30+ minutes instead of 3