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"There must always be a Lich King" - I Really want to see consequences for not having one, its a story beat primed and WAITING to happen.
Remember the events that happened just prior to launch of Wrath? That's the implied consequence according to the game.
That was a badass event, the bitching of the midwits that wanted the game to act like nothing was happening notwithstanding, and it should be an occasional thing that happens without regularity and just comes and goes.
in 9.2.5 there is a bloodelf quest coming out that touches on that a bit
There was consequences. Satan died and now Sylvanas is the Grim Reaper and there is no Satan. There's also a permanent portal to hell open.
Give me an expansion where the dragons restore the world and lower the seas. Add the land between continents so the islands are mostly connected to the two mainlands and bring back the world feeling to WORLD of warcraft.
It's a "what sword?" Situation. Technically, the Scourge have been running rampant and out of control the entire time we were in the Shadowlands dealing with nipple daddy.
The armies of Azeroth have been in a constant struggle fighting the feral Scourge because there was nothing and no one controlling them anymore.
You saw this in the Shadowlands prepatch when they had us going around defending areas from scourge attacks- and those never stopped.
The Scarlet scourge did overwhelm the lands of Azeroth.
4:15 he actually has a point all 3 of those clips gave me chills down my spine even years after seeing them. I did like the DF cinematic but yeah it didn't give me that moment of power.
Mists had no massive moment and it’s one of the best expansions whereas all 3 of those clips were from terrible expansions.
Cool cinematics are nice and all but as the comment above me mentions, cinematics have no barring on whether the game is going to be good or not and its a terrible take to make one of your base points on the game dying due to the cinematic that has nothing to do with how the game actually plays.
@@ryanmorrissette27 mists was not one of the best expansions. It actually had either the longest or second longest content drought before Shadowlands. 5.4 was out for over a year I think before any new content came out. The only good thing was them making legendaries more accessible. The expansions pretty much got progressively worse with the exception of Legion, which tryhards hated because of rng legendaries and titanforging, but those mechanics were great for the average player. I personally rank them like this: tbc, wrath, legion, vanilla, cata, mists, (huge gap), wod, bfa, shadowlands. Mists was pretty average.
@@ryanmorrissette27 But the MoP intro cutscene was actually good and focused on a race that had existed since Warcraft 3.... This one focuses on some random stone people... It's worse than the Shadowlands intro which I already hated for this exact reason of "who tf are these people and wtf is even going on"
@@csguy3223 TBC fanboys really are priceless... The only truly good thing about TBC was the lore focus and the intro... The fights were dull, the areas other than 1 or 2, were dull... Also contained the worst levelling zone to ever exist in WoW history (Blade's Edge)... Please take off your rose tinted nostalgia goggles.
I feel like Blizzard isn't thinking about Dragon Riding as a long-term mechanic. They see it as a way to make some traversal puzzles on the Dragon isles and once your dragon is fully trained (in the finial patch) it'll work like any other mount.
That sounds like shit. The final prize is "you get a new mount" just doesn't feel like an expansion worthy prize. I also think you're wrong about that, but the way blizz has disappointed us again and again lately I'm not gonna say they won't again.
so youre saying, theyre making it a long term mechanic, just lazily? Wow thank you.
When I first read about this I thought, But I already have about 6 dragon mounts, why do I need another one.
@@WorldofWarcraftfan02 what a stupid comment
Boring
24:40 FYI for those who dont play gw2, that guy using the griffon is exceptionally skilled, if it was narc props to him
not many ppl can fly like that lmao xDD
Takes a lot of practice
Dude. The stone guy had more character development than the jailer did.
Polarising indeed. Still love how Asmon can have a differing opinion and still respect the other persons. Solid character and always entertaining to watch.
Unless it's about GW2 for some reason
You get made fun of to your face and don't even notice huh?
@@Anedime Sheesh, but I can see it.
"nobody cares your opinion" he went made after the weirdos took blizzard, the normalize thing that a man dressing a woman, or a dog acting as a bird, shows the indoctrination by lgbt on asmon mind, SAVE ASMON
He doesnt always though. But he stands by his opinion atleast. He might call you dumb, but that too, is his opinion.
Asmon hit the nail on the head with the engine problem. A simple wow 2.0 would draw a lot of heads if it was a similar game, slightly better graphics and far less engine issues for larger scale pvp, player owned housing would be really appealing etc....
@@DrewPicklesTheDark 100% on point. But no one ever listens to player base. They listen to board and the board all want $$$ crawl before you walk and work before you earn!
An actual WORLD of Warcraft
pretty sure a lot of player would cry if they change it.
Most of these issues are not related to the engine though. Also content by content doesnt attract anyone, it needs an atmosphere and organic feeling, most housing systems in games just dont keep players playing, because most people dont wanna play barbie.
@@rickroll9705 everyone plays barbie xmog is true end game
Excited about the talent tree returning. I hope this is a good exp. Unfortunately, I have lost all faith in Blizzard.
Your main problem was relying on faith in the first place. Focus on what you can see buddy.
@@mug281 No, ill focus on faith.
@@ronnyownbey1193 then you will be forever ignorant. Bum.
I personally think the expansion release will just be a fast final retail cash grab before they focus 0 effort into it and focus on the classic game. I will try it because I'm crazy, but I hope it will be good. Overall in shadowlands I think I put less than 24 hours into the game and just could not continue out of boredom.
I feel more likely than not dragonflight will be the same trash.
If it all goes bad I'll go straight back to classic.
@@pauls4522 when it comes to WoW, I think the only way you can enjoy it is if you play it casually. Yes, you can say that you won’t be able to progress if you play casually, but I think people just need to change their goals for the game as a whole. There is many things to do in the game that don’t involve needing the best gear possible. Just my opinion, of course.
Too be fair, what I personally want is the skill tree thing.. the classes got so boring for me after this long of playing so new talents change how the classes work.. which is a refreshing.
yeah, I'm at least glad Blizz is finally giving in to having loadouts, so I could have different specs for types of content like aoe vs single target, multiple pvp builds, some focused around soloing or farming old content, etc.
Yeah but they won't though. Player choice in power is never a choice, the original talents sucked, the current talents suck and I'll lay odds the new talents will suck too.
@@GregorioStyreco probably because of some personal bias you have...
@@Cruciatum Well, I like options even if they are not meta.. he idea of having options is what is exciting to me in general.. As a guild wars 1 player with over 900+ abilities to choose from and a bar that only allows like 8 at a time..
I prefer more useless abilities/talents than cut down ones. Just the idea of people having set builds and builds specifically designed to counter them excites me on build craft.
You will always pick the cookie cutter builds. This issue is player created issue not a design issue. Players will optimize the fun out of a system if allowed. We want to feel powerful so you'll always pick the higher dps build.
You know why Blizzard's "innovations" fail? Because they put them up for one expansion, like Artifacts, or Azerite, or Covenants or whatever and then immediately abandon them.
They never stick with anything and refine it, they just do ephemeral gimmicks then get bored and do something else.
Agreed! Another great example is the Pokemon series as a whole.
It started with Mega Evolution...then all of a sudden dropped it, brought it back after two generations...and still only applies to a select few.
Then there were Z-moves...that lasted one generation.
Then there was Gigantamax...but only a few pokemon had exclusive transformations, and moved when they grew in size.
Not saying these are bad ideas...but its the same problem WoW has.
@@Badassdude1234 i clicked the top comment to literally type out what you typed. Exactly correct.
I mean the Azerite system is just the artifact system except given more freedom of options allowing "player choice". You would get gear and then have the freedom to choose different powers and make your own unique build.
The problem however is the meta nature of the game and the fact powers aren't equal means your specifically looking for a set of powers and getting a piece of gear with a worse power(or if your heart wasn't leveled enough to use the powers) may net you a downgrade despite game saying its a upgrade oh and the fact that power.
Oh and now the legendary crafting is a bit of both systems stuck together, but your still gonna meta game it so really the choice doesn't matter.
People are so far believing the covenant style factions are coming back again in Dragonflight so we'll see about that one.
@@---fb4mg Yes but these systems are still isolated to their own expansions and then abandoned.
While elements of them carry over, most infamously the horrible command tables from the Garrisons, the fact remains that these systems are implemented then abandoned and orphaned leaving progression a disjointed and pointless mess.
And the new systems are often far worse. Azerite had nowhere near the cool factor and immersion of Artifacts for instance. We go from wielding legendary lore weapons of ultimate power to a generic necklace, with no connection from one to the other gameplay wise.
Inertia mechanics can cause frustration, however they also make you feel really skilled when you are good at it. For instance in gw2 when you pull off the perfect drift/lap racing in the roller beetle races. Or when you use the right mount for the right situation. Limitations are needed to give challenge. God mode is boring.
I can understand that can be fun for some players but if we're being real, that's not true for the majority. You can take Asmongold's example, PUBG with its incredibly realistic movement mechanics, with realistic driving and fall damage etc, got replaced the moment Fortnite and Apex Legends came out, offering similar gameplay but with less frustrating controls and movement. Or how League of Legends has consistently been way more popular than Dota 2 because it cuts a lot of the tedium of micro-managing your character's movement, such as acceleration and turn rates. Inertia and realism can be fun to play with, but ultimately one of the main reasons why we play games is because we don't like being restricted by real life "mechanics" aka laws of physics, hence why you're flying in those games to begin with.
@@ShadowTasos I’d like to take a moment to explain some gw2 design principles. There are multiple mounts and you have to work to unlock each one which gives a rewarding feeling when you do achieve that. Unlocking them gives you access to new parts of the maps of makes movement more accessible. The reason I use the gryphon is to go starting from a high point like a cliff. But the catch is it can’t glide forever. The reason I use the raptor is for that fastest distance on flat land. The reason for the jackel is tightest turning circle or going up hill or to cheat falling damage. The skimmer for underwater or as other mounts dismount you over water. The reason for the roller beetle is fastest speed over flat ground for a long distance but the catch is it can’t slow down or turn easy. The springer purley for fastest vertical travel as long as it’s not too high. The sky scale for long distance by air and scaling a long distance vertically yet it’s slower then the gryphon and springer as those respective things.
Every mount has a weakness and this is due to the implementation through inertia mechanics. Without inertia mechanics mounts have no weakness and I’d just use the one best mount all the time rendering the others useless. It’s an important part of the gameplay to determine which is the best mount for the situation and multiple mounts are core to the reward both functionality wise and cosmetically. Removing inertia mechanics would for all respective purposes render the reward and unlock system meaningless.
I’m guess this might work in WoW as they will probably only implement a single ‘god-mode’ mount giving less to unlock and cosmetically achieve and less to think about when playing.
It’s like in shooters - you don’t run around with a sniper rifle all the time you chose the best weapon for the situation. Without mechanics there are no weakness without weakness there is no point to having multiple weapons, or for the context of the discussion - mounts.
Your not micro managing angle trajectory and velocity 24/7 in gw2 your just choosing the right mount for the situation.
Everything you have said makes perfect sense within GW2. I've put about 100 hours into the game since launch (GW1 was my first MMO) and I've tried so damn hard to *get* GW2. It just doesn't push the right buttons for me but I can understand the appeal.
That being said, GW2 and WoW are very different games. Everything about GW2 is movement. Fast and flowing, even the combat - in my experience, the majority of GW2 cast time abilities can be cast on the move while the majority of WoW cast time abilities can't. There's no dodging in WoW outside of basic WASD movement or class abilities while it's a fundamental mechanic in GW2.
I'm probably just boring, but the GW2 raptor (my only mount) pisses me off because of the inertia mechanics. I just want to talk to this dude, why do I need to practice dealing with inertia mechanics to stop in the right place (and then get dismounted anyway)? In WoW, my flying mount means I can jump on it, go up high and go in a straight line. It's downtime where I don't need to concentrate on playing the game. GW2 has made that fun for the people who enjoy it but I'm not playing a combat-oriented MMO so that every single journey is some glorified jumping puzzle.
I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion or your enjoyment from mastering a system. It's great that people love the system, but different people like different things and personally speaking, if I did like the system I'd probably have gotten on a lot better with GW2 (and wouldn't be actively put off by the dragonriding system)
as a gw2 player i could not agree more with enertia point. I literaly could not play witcher because of it, I alt+f4 it when i missed a opening 5/6 times with a horse, never opened it again (judge me, enertia is shit in the game) . But enertia in gw2 is smooth and intuitive and actualy fun (except bunny mount, hes shit with enertia, u cant tap-move forvard cm by cm so you have to make a whole ass circle to come 1cm forward, hes so fat u end up bumping every little rock, ) , rest makes you feel like ur good at curving around objects perfectly even tho ur not. Makes u feel cool. Enertia is there more for looks and awesome animations rather then being there for "raptor needs to feel real". The 1cm raptor mount needs to stop, you will never need to be that precise with it like in other games. You will never have to hit a 1x1m door on a mount in a tight curve. (in races yes but that competative). The limitted curving is so precise it feels great tho.
When Wow first came out it was praised for its easy to learn casual nature. Compared to other MMOs before it, it was indeed casual. People making fun of how casual things are in wow today feel very disingenuous to me. As they were the ones being called casuals back in 2004.
My biggest concerns with the new dragon flying, is that it will be implemented poorly and as the only way of flying allowed in the new expansion it will burn through whatever good will they managed to get back. Also...even if it is successful and beloved...they'll just toss it in the trash for some new gimmick for the next expansion.
Blizzard's developed the habit of copying from other games without bothering to find out WHY it worked for them. The Guild Wars 2 flying works because before that, there WAS no mounts. You had to run everywhere. So this was an advancement.
WoW's had mounts since vanilla and flying since BC. And the flying mounts moved about freely. A lot of players may feel more restricted, as if it's a step back. Doubly so if dragon flying isn't perfectly done. They will rightfully say, "I gave up (insert cool old flying mount here) for THIS!?"
Will you be able to use your dragon outside of the new zone? You are after all making an investment in training a dragon. Is it going to be locked to the Dragon Isles?
And of course there's the Sword issue. What happens to dragon flying at the end of the expansion? Players spent months training their dragon. New expansion rolls around are they going to just throw it in the trash...like just about every other system? "What Dragon Flying? There's never been Dragon Flying. But hey! Look at this other new cool thing for the new expansion!"
You make great points watching alot of the interviews and by what and how dragon flying was discussed the dragon flight system sounds like to be a middle ground compromise between not having flying mounts at the start to allowing some flight for the first few patch cycles.
Ian did say that if their is enough negative feedback they will eventually let you use the older mounts. Like in other xpacs getting loremaster achements.
Now if the feedback is positive they may bring this mechanic or system to the older mounts or into future xpacs.
actually the thing about dragonriding is that u will be able to use it from minute 0, it's not the same as flying as we know it. it's a theme thing for the expansion, the bond with your dragon companion. you will be progressing ur skills through the expansion but it would make no sense to not be able to fly in a dragon expansion from the very beginning. with that said, later in the expansion, maybe one patch later as always, you will get to use ur normal fly, and all your beloved mounts. they repeatedly said that dragon riding is not the same as flying, so maybe for some things you will prefer to use your normal flight. And they didn't say they will put the dragon riding system in the trash can at the end of the expansion, the will hear feedback, and see how the comunity accepts this new thing, if people want it, the will keep it. and u will be able to use ur dragon companion with dragon riding all across azeroth, that's up to the comunity to make it happen.
Imagine typing all of this thinking people care
@@JonezBBQ imagine being rude to somebody who is giving his opinion, if you don’t care, don’t read it, and move on :)
I don’t really care if one gimmick is lost after the expansion. What’s annoying to me it’s when it’s 1) isn’t fun (AP grind) or 2) linked to how you play your class (constantly losing player power and abilities). Dragon flying seems pretty fun and light hearted and doesn’t seems to have such a big impact and your character that you’re gonna loose.
As long as they introduce a system and players are able to freely interact with the entirety of the system with no pushback there won't be any problems. To use covenants as an example I want to open world as a Venthyr, I want to dungeon as a Night Fae, I want to PVP as a Necrolord and I want to play my tank spec as a Kyrian. Early Shadowlands didn't let you do that and strangled you by preventing you from playing with the system ARBITRARILY, there was no reason to make the system as stiff as it was. In Legion, it sucked playing multiple specs because you couldn't level up your artifact weapon to fully interact with your class and before you had your desired pool of legendaries interacting with the legendary system sucked but once all your artifact weapons were high level and you had all the legendaries you wanted there was literally no problem with the Legion systems.
Players just want to play a good game and they don't want something they personally view as "stupid and pointless" or something that doesn't need to exist to stand in the way of them playing the video game.
i know the talent trees are most likely going to change but the specs are running parallel downwards in the druid tree, putting tanking and healing down the center together so you can grab both sets
EQ2 was actually the first game with mounts like this. They had your standard flying, a leaper, and a glider. The leaper/glider moved much faster then the flyer but required effort where the flying obviously didnt
Cinematics are that one thing you can count on Blizzard doing really, really well. The best ones have those moments that give me goosebumps, and react verbally even when I'm watching them alone.
Legacy of the Void, Heart of the Swarm, Wrath of the Lich King, Legion, Warlords of Draenor, Battle for Azeroth, Warcraft 3. All incredible, and all super rewatchable.
Even the ones I'd consider not as good as the ones above, are still pretty damn good.
Dragonflight is the first cinematic that I've seen from Blizzard that didn't make me want to play the game it came from. I don't think I'll ever replay it.
Compared to the 2 High Templar merging and taking down an Ultralisk with POWER OVERWHELMING, or Anduin throwing down Shalamayne and using the light to mass resurrect. I'm Horde for life, and I still feel that moment in my chest.
Dragonflight cinematic doesn't even come close, and that is a shame.
thats a strange way of saying you don't want to play wow anymore after all of the short comings in the recent years
@@SpaceElvisInc I mean, you're right about me having no desire to play anymore, but that's not what I was saying.
After all the shortcomings, failures, and slaps in the face, it's going to take a lot more than just "finally listening" for me to return.
They're not gonna earn my trust back just by not being shit anymore. They're gonna have to go far above and beyond the bare minimum.
Ive never played Wow but I watched the cinematics at a mate's behest and the ones I watched actually slapped. I had no context for any of them besides kinda recognising some of the characters, but the way they were made with the music swell and the grandness of them still managed to give me goosebumps. I think I watched BFA and WOTLK, as well as one where Sylvanas comes looming out of some fog on a flying airship (idk which one it was) but all of them looked awesome.
Same with the Starcraft 2 cinematics that I watched for the first time very recently. I've never touched SC but watching the Queen of the Swarm or whatever, and that one that I think youre mentioning in your comments about the high templars. The robot one where they merge and grapple with the ultralisk before teleporting people in to fight the swarm? Every single one I watched was phenomenal and so when watching the new reveal with the aforementioned mate, we both expected at least the cinematic to be epic and exciting.
We were both fundamentally disappointed with it, and I dont even play the game. My mate said it was the first time he was ever let down with a Blizzard cinematic and it was definitely a far cry from the ones I watched. The dragons appearing to catch the stone guy was the most predictable thing ive ever seen, not to mention that it looked like a shot straight out of How to Train your Dragon. The colour schemes and the overall design of the dragons looked pretty disney-esque and when I look back on the WOTLK and the dragon that appears out of that it seems that the art design of the game has changed drastically and I must say the old definitely appeals more to me than the new.
i have to say, while visually nice, this cinematic was the most lackluster cinematic ive ever seen, personally nothing in it that even remotely made me go "meh"... its empty
I feel like dragonflight's cinematic was more so a happy feeling type where you want it to be exciting. Everything else before it was an "oh boy here we go killing again".
everquest had mounts with inertia as well, what they did over time was remove it outside of combat, this way in combat you cant just easily run away from the threat and inertia is a thing, but out of combat, it works more or less like you would want a faster movement to be, a small ramp up to 100 and near instant deceleration, in combat it is a 2-4 second ramp up on a mount, with a 2 second stop from 100%
The thing he's getting wrong is that people love Guild Wars for it's "mount mechanics" (the skill it takes as a player to use mounts)... But literally *NOBODY* plays WoW for it's mount mechanics. The context of the playerbase's priorities is totally different and that's what I think he's missing.
He's looking at an aspect that he loves of a game that he loves, seeing it bastardized in another game, and thinking; "Doing this would be a disaster _where it's from,_ so it will be a disaster here." But 'here' is relative, and in this case it's a totally different environment and a totally different community which means the mechanic has a totally different context for it's weight and impact to the game as a whole.
WoW players don't care about mount mechanics at all, it's not even on the list of things they care about because it practically doesn't exist in the game (flying in the game is just a dev tool with limitations). The rough order of what aspects of the game WoW players care about is: loot and cosmetics, raiding and story, visuals and combat, then crafting and character-building. Everything else is peripheral and changes from expansion to expansion, this expansion just happens to have mount mechanics.
I think what it comes down to is that WoW players are left to care about the few crumbs they have left. Loot is not interesting if it's replaced in a week. Story is not meaningful if we don't feel either engaged or influential in it.
When it comes down to it, any game only amounts to how much meaningful gameplay it provides, and the WoW developers are stuck in the habit of constantly making more and more disposable content with carrots-on-a-stick.
The Timeless Isle and Legion Artifact Weapons were some of the things that Blizzard did amazingly only to shit them out of the door. Content that gave impactful rewards based on your time spent, and gameplay that directly affected your progression week to week.
Neither one of these things had 'amazing rewards loot or cosmetics' but small things to work up to as you enjoyed the systems for what they were.
You can't build a game off of cock-blocking players by giving them things like Tanaan Jungle or Azerite Necklaces. They will always remember how much time they spent on the other systems for naught.
i never cared for mounts I have a travel form
I care about mount mechanics a lot actually. It has definitely been missing from the game.
@@pho3nix- You can like and value something all you want, but if the game you're playing doesn't have that thing then it's doesn't enter the equation of why you play that game.
Imagine someone saying something like, "I love talent trees! That's why I play Halo." That person can like talent trees as much as they want, but that can't be why they play Halo because Halo doesn't have that. The statement and the context of the statement don't align.
WoW players don't play WoW for it's mount mechanics because it literally doesn't have any. Functionally, mounts in WoW are just a cosmetic mobility boost and nothing more.
@@Thescott16 You're interpreting his statement in the wrong sense. He cares about mount mechanics either _because_ of other games and wants them applied to WoW, or he cares about mount mechanics _because_ they're missing from WoW.
When it comes to talents, it's also sometimes about skill. I think there were people in lost ark, that used grudge, even though they didn't have the skill for it. I often saw people die Vs the second third tier raid boss, even though I didn't die. I was playing a melee dps, and i wasn't that good
This doesnt apply in anywhere near the same way with tab targeting
Micromanaging is where the real skill lies in this type of mmo
As someone who played wow for a few years, I can say I didn't see anything in dragonflight that made me go "I need to play that!"
so don't
As someone who has played since Vanilla, we've given up but play erry xpack anyway
@@sulfurrr2117 fair
I play WoW, FFXIV, and GW2, go figure. I play what I'm in the mood for.
GW2 really did nail the flying for their game, it fits well. I do hope WoW does it well, but it does feel a bit redundant as we always had normal flying in WoW. I really like this guy, he could use some effort to try and hide his bias and be a little more objective, but overall a solid video.
Will it "kill" WoW? Of course not, and I'm sure even he knows it and just wanted a clickbaity title. But it is valid to assume this is another Blizzard broken promise based on track history.
Lol solid my as.
This dude is malding cause wow copied from his favorite game. Other than that, his argument is basically we cannot trust bliz anymore. Any time he says something bout wow that's not a reddit meme, it's total bs. What a waste of time.
@@pixeljauntvr7774 gw2 meta event system is actually the best i've seen in any mmo
Not a solid video at all. The copium nerd is just a hater and has no reasonable arguments for his claim. Dragon flying mechanic is just an extra that can work out or it doesn’t. What I mean by that is that it can be fun or it sucks, but it will still fulfill the purpose of going from A to B faster. It’s the same with Warfronts from BFA, it’s an expansion feature and if it fails it won’t really hit the core of the game, which is m+, raiding and arena/rbg.
The copium nerd is just hating on Blizzard for taking the best feature from his favorite game. It seems like he doesn’t care about improvement, and apparently vivid color schemes are for kids and furries. I’m assuming he only plays Souls games and Pubg then. He just showed us GW2 and i felt like i was looking at Shadowlands 2.0 in terms of color schemes.
The copium nerd is not knowledgeable at all, he’s just a hater who kills brain cells for fun. If you want real opinions with solid arguments you go watch Belluar and Matt.
Wow so many wow andies in copium here
@@jvb4450 my issue with it is Blizzard won’t design a mechanic or system as they have called dragon flight and not force players to use it. So if it’s scuffed it’ll affect every part of the expansion, plus with them calling it a system that screams some kind of progression. “Aspect Power” is my guess plus if it’s not better than current flying mounts then people will just want those back. Flying has been the same in WoW for 15 years so limiting it is gonna feel bad. And if it’s better than normal flying then it’ll feel worse in 3-4 years when Blizz throws it in the bin like all other expansion systems. Look at how popular Artifact abilities were and how they were willing to gut some classes or specs to the point of reworking them to get rid of them the second BFA rolled around.
I’d like to see the new flight mechanics and how they work when it’s being done as unintended.. like flying downward and colliding into the ground, into mountainsides, etc. everything is fine when it’s as intended but it also matters when it’s unintended if that makes sense
This guy has the best nerd rage against WoW. You can see he really had love for the game. He reminds me of a friend of mine talking about his ex-wife. There is a special kind of poison once you loved something and you feel it turned against you. Love the hate!
I think it's great that WoW is borrowing ideas from other MMOs however I think what is stirring up the ire of the communities is that the majority of recent things being copied are all visual aspects. What I personally find concerning is how frequently they've been imitating visual aspects from other games within just the last few months and how they directly insert these into the game without really putting much effort to at least add their own flair or improvements. I just hope it doesn't keep happening because at the moment all it's telling me is that they're stumped on fresh ideas. I do want the game to be good again but I just hope I can see Blizzard start pulling their own weight and show that they can make something worth diving back into.
copying and assimilating stuff is why wow was the top mmo for so long
@@scribblord2970 You should copy concepts and systems, what the problem here is that Wow is starting to copy assets and designs.
Examples?
As far as I've seen Warcraft has a unique visual design that doesn't copy and in reality is copied by very many games (mobile ones especially). At the very least they are the best early version of this style back when Warcraft 3 originally released. Maybe there is a little known game they stole that visual design from but, when I have watched documentaries about Blizzard it seems that their original art team (mainly Samwise Didier and Chris Metzen) came up with the particular aesthetic that Warcraft utilizes, although it is obviously heavily influenced by earlier visual depictions of high fantasy (such as D&D).
@@ShadowZeroFlame Just in the last patch one very glaring example was the Anduin scene with Saurfang and Varian. The scene played out almost exactly like the Heavensward scene in FFXIV with the whole "two characters placing hand on shoulders to lend power to assist someone who is struggling against corruption from evil". If you put the scenes side by side it's just too close. Some other examples are the denizens of Xerath Mortis who create the concept of life and make metallic/ethereal sounds when they speak, just like the ancients from FFXIV in Shadowbringers a few years ago. There's many many more just within the last few months, I could list them but I don't want to make this comment longer than it already is. Again the main issue is the frequency this is happening and how the majority of the things being copied aren't system/gameplay aspects, they're all visual and conceptual designs.
Just talking about the trailer - I got heavy Mists of Pandaria vibes from it and I like that. There was no big evil, no dramatic event or anything like that just a short story and a big reveal of a new land to explore. That can also be very exciting at least for me - you don't always need a SUPERIMPORTANT BIG THING to happen.
Edit. Also, I am a big big fan of GW2's mounts and I would agree that they're best mounts in any MMO I've played but dismissing dragonriding entirely just because "they can't do it better than GW" is not great, especially because it really doesn't even need to be as good. If dragonriding turns out to be half as satisfying as GW2's mounts and also fit in well with everything else in WoW - that's already going to be a huge dub in my opinion. That is because dragonriding is not going to be as important. At the end of the day what is more important in WoW is content, dungeons, raids, PvP and all that jazz.
Yeah agreed. Theres no "Big plot twist" Like Sylvanas destroying the helmet in SL because theres no need for it.
That's one of the reasons I loved the Newfound Adventures patch for FFXIV. You just got through saving the world yet again, and you decide "You know what? Let's go raid an ancient tomb for a treasure hunt! Get some old friends, knock back a few drinks on the boat ride, and come back as big godsdamned heroes. ...But on a different scale than a few months ago."
On another note, I may not be a WoW player, but fingers crossed you guys finally get that amazing expansion you deserve after years of dealing with Blizzard's bullshit.
Yeah to me it was a turning point and was meant to showcase a brand new adventure, not the same BS "plot" that we have had for the past 8 years. To me this xpac will be a refresh, and this is coming from someone that hasn't played retail since mid Cata
Marketing people must love you lmao
I mean, it isn't that there wasn't a big bad or anything, expansion has a big bad anyways, you know if u read books lmao, it's just the trailer is boring. In mist of pandaria you had something happening and stuff, here is just some random stone guy falling down and dragons flying around randomly. I may have liked this trailer if I've never seen fantasy dragons I guess
they actually said in a interview that dragonflying will be a feature that you can use in almost any zone though I not sure why you would want to when you can just fly.
It would be refreshing to see them create a focus on MMO aspects. Focus an expansion on guilds, whether that be through rewards for guilds completing achievements/content, or a renounce system that rewards guild cohesion. The game seems to be idling towards a single player (non-mmo) experience. Guilds and partnering content is what made the game such a resounding success. Nothing succeeds like success, so build upon what has been proven to work. I would love content that absolutely drives the MMO concept, and not small group content, like M+ and small raid groups.
I love the single player aspect. Having to rely on you incels to progress in the game is a huge negative for a lot of people.
I'm a FF14 andy and I hope this expansion doesn't fail, it sucks seeing your favorite game(s) going downhill. Those whom have played MASS EFFECT SERIES definitely know the feel.
@@James-kv3ll It all depends how little they care and know players will buy it anyway.
If you've played games like Pokemon series(sword&Shield, x&y, omega ruby/alpha sapphire) ,Sonic series(06,lost world, etc) or Final Fantasy(15 is a good example in my opinion, that one was awful but these bastards had the audacity to sell DLC. FF7R is another prime example, it's good but split into parts), dead space,gears of war,halo and borderlands are also up there.
Some developers know you'll buy it anyway until they themselves realize "Oh shit we fucked up" when almost all of them are gone. Some just STRAIGHT UP don't care regardless like activision and will keep producing games no matter how garbage they are(CoD series) because they know you'll buy it.
So this dude is mad because the art team saved like 6 hours of skeleton rigging by using pre-rendered rigs?
This is like yelling at your IT Technician at your job because he copied and pasted some powershell script that he's used thousands of times instead of hand typing it in the prompt for "freshness"
I’m definitely very skeptical about dragonflight but most of his concerns were bad in my opinion
Nah nah. They are hired to animate and be creative. Not to use some file from some locker somewhere lol
@@bluelantern9 they already animated it creatively.
False equivalency. Way to go shilling for a lazy company full of abuse and incompetence and corner cutting.
If they want to charge money for their xpac, maybe they should actually do something fresh.
So if a new skeleton takes 6 hours, why not make a new skeleton then? That just proves his point that they are creatively bankrupt or just lazy
To your point on players getting older and being ok with p2w: It all comes down to the person and stances they take. I can afford to pay for advancement in my current game, but choose not to support the publisher who took over my main game due to how corrupt they are (Gamigo). Ive taken this stance for 3 plus years now, and have financially supported side games I barely played because they were actively being worked on. I even solely pvp on my main game, but will not support bad business practice of companies just using us (the gamers).
I realize the mass majority, however, have no discipline to stay their wallet, but I do my part to put my foot down based on personal ethics. People, in general, enable the current corrupt business practices in todays games.
I agree with you 100% but you’re blowing smoke in the wind here.
I think I don't like p2w because I never know where it will stop. Is this 10 dollar purchase justified or will I need to make another 10 or 15 of these in the next two Months to stay up to date on progress. I'd rather pay 80 dollars for a game once and get access to those skins or perks and never worry about it
@@aBradApple True, but the personal stance point isnt because I think my stance will make the difference in a sea of whales, but because I then am disciplined in other avenues of my life to take stances whereas someone undisciplined is just that in life and easily swayed.
I agree that the system for games is long past returning back to its former glory, barring an individual makes a stance in how they make their game. Its probably why Indie games are so popular-their devs have passion while many AAA games end up sucking your soul.
They should bring crater of azshara into the game as the MOBA that it was rumoured to be except at the start of each battleground each side gets to pick one of their capital cities leaders to do each role (or other choices, whatever would work) and they would be the bosses that would stay in the lanes, and perhaps one for the jungle each side.
As a member of the the GW2 community I think its awesome to see other games using there idea's. Love the GW2 mounts, and casual game play style. I always tell Hard Core Final Fantasy or WOW players, If you have one main MMO GW2 doesn't have a problem being your side piece.
Wow made that reality for GW2 calm down.
@@catopwnzify GW2>WoW don’t get it twisted
Dcuo had the same shit
I think this cinematic is incomparable to the others. All the older cinematics had a bad guy or a war represented, whereas this new one is about rediscovering and rebuild, it's hard to give it the same "heroic" goosebump inducing feeling as the others. they are different themes and making this one anything like the others would have made it worse imo. if they should have made teh new cinematic more dramatic they should have had the guy hit the ground and shatter, then end with the aspect standing somewhat around him, to reinforced how lost and forgotten the isles have been.
I mean you compare it to the other no bad guy trailer from mop
I had no goosebumps watching the wod or legion trailer. Dragonflight trailer was awesome, like every other animation blizzard does. This guy has such bad takes, asmon literally dismantles them 3 seconds later. Hes just a hater.
The thing is though it did give me well a brain goosebump so to say. I like not knowing who the big bads are. Take Elden ring, i had no idea what was coming from each bad guy and i was always happy to see who it was at the end of that dungeon i had to fight. Even when it came to the big bosses, not knowing what was coming and how the fight would start and end is what made it fun.
I also like it when WoW does something or someone we don't expect also and that is expanded on when we don't see their face on the cover of the game. Take the Jailer, we only really fought him at the very end and it was someone we expected to fight and beat at the end of it all. And what did we do? We killed the Jailer, who expected that one :O. Yeah normally the last patch is something totally different most times, like Sunwell, but its just nice that this is an Exploration expansion like Pandaria was, no one knew what the big bad was going to be for that Expac.
@@luvhair255 The thing is, they're out of good story. They need to rebuild, we need something like this, and we need them to come up with something new that we CAN get attached to again. If you think back to Vanilla, the story was extremely non-linear, we didn't have much, if any, connection to half the bosses before the game, and everyone loved that form of the game; it set up for so much more after. My point is, they have to start somewhere, and a very vague expansion that builds upon the world is what we need
@@vvdulw The mop trailer is literally the worst trailer they had done until this one came out.
I think all of theses inertia options should have options in game where the player decides if they want inertia modifiers on their mounts or not.
The flying in WoW has no consequences on the gameplay, Guild wars 2 flying serves a purpose, it's part of the gameplay so I think it's pretty cool that they added that layer of skill required to use them. Never played the game, but it would be boring if there were no consequences for over extending while trying to platform to something out of your reach otherwise.
In Archeage i remember that only the people voted as heroes in each faction got flying mounts in a game where the closest you could get to that was gliding.
It made those exclusive mounts really prestigious and pushed you to be more proactive within the game and the community if you really wanted a flying mount. Too bad Archeage lost its potential a lot time ago.
Maybe the cinematic being shit means we might actually get a decent expansion.
yea, just look at MoP, that might be the case lmao
The "blizzard furry agenda" is the most schizophrenic thing to come out of all of this
They already said Dragon flight would be limited to Dragon isles and may be moved to cover all zones at a later date if players were favorable towards it and that players would have the option to use it or original flying. So I'm guessing it would be like WM with the option to either turn it on or off.
To this day, and it might be actually low on other people's lists, my favorite game cinematic still has to be that opening to StarCraft 2 when Finley is being suited up to set free. That was pretty bad ass. I still remember that line, "That armor, is now your new prison."
I think the best parts of this expansion are the revamped talent trees and crafting. I think they could be huge for the game.
But what you don't know is that your talent tree allocation will now give you less abilities than before and offer 2 new talents which are passives from Legion. At least from the samples we've seen.
At this point the game has too many abilities anyway.
@@warlordtf9608 We need less abilities at this point in WoW. There are too many CDs and buttons its hard for new players to ever want to try the game. Simple rotations and powerful CDs would be better than more buttons imo.
@@slanue4222 I'm sorry what? all classes boil down to 6 buttons give or take, I don't count the covenant shit cause that FOTM and isn't permanent.
@@warlordtf9608 yeah your right, but id rather have it be less abilities that are more meaningful then 40 abilities per class but 34 are pretty useless and you only press 6. you get what im trying to say?
Dragonflight is (probably) everything I’ve wanted for years. I’ve missed talent trees since they were removed. I’ve missed giant zones since vanilla. I’ve craved early flying, account wide achievements, and no cosmic big bad.
Hey, Asmongold or anyone else. Know what volume booster plugin that is for the browser? The one I use messes up full screen.
Man I've watched that new one several times now since its been out, but 3 seconds of the Garrosh animation sends chills down my spine...thats how you can tell the new one aint really nothing
Blizzard has everything to prove here. Asmon is right though, these are the people you need to win over because this sentiment is shared widely. The may not be content creators or as negative as him, but there is an asterisk in their minds about whatever they do. Many observations are just speculation, like how the assets are reused...but the belief that they are lazy is real and that matters. This is unfair only if you expect a genre defining title to be free of criticism and to ignore what happened. WoW is still influential enough that what decisions they make will be followed by others...be it perpetuating the microtransactions or lack of innovativeness. There needs to be competition and WoW being good makes other MMOS better, as said by many other peers in the industry.
Yeah but a lot of these people are the people that are inherently not going to be happy about anything blizzard produces because they have a natural dislike for it.
@@Chariercha Guess we’ll find out once the expac comes out
@@Chariercha It's like No Man's Sky. Once bridges are burnt some people will simply never come back. They might get some people back, but the best they can really do is make the game interesting for new players and try to revitalize off people that aren't burnt from the past. No Man's Sky manage to do it and do a 180 with new players that love their game, so maybe WoW can too.
@@Chariercha Well, I'd agree there is some with a natural dislike. But in this case, I feel a significant portion are people who have a soured taste after supporting them. I don't know how many of us are there, but I'm one of them. I won't discount good moves done by them, but the bar has moved because I've lost so much trust. At the core, I really wanted a game without all that drama and bullshit, it's already hard enough making a good game without bringing in news of sexual misconduct and EA microtransactions. I just want to kill dragons and get loot, not feel disgusted at the company leadership and exploited for my wallet.
@@Chariercha I'd bet good money you have more people who are pessimistic but who Blizzard could win back than people who are gone forever. The second category are just louder online and promoted by algorithms since they're more outraged. I'd like to think most people aren't so emotionally attached to a company that they won't buy a good product they currently sell just because their old products were bad, especially if the badness of the old products didn't do anything more than waste people's time.
i hope they make a "Lusty Argonian Maid" easter egg.
"Fruity argonian fruit bowl" maybe
Having a good crafting system in wow would do some work towards bringing me back into it, and I find the dragon theme interesting considering I've skipped a few expansions now... But it will take more than this to bring me back.
I've been saying for years since WoD that they need to use a new engine, not just mechanics but to truly advance character customization and graphical design.
Like imagine WoW on unreal 5, he'll even 4. That and I think WoW would be phenomenal with action combat like Terra had.
If WoW did action combat it would really only benefit from a system similar to wildstars
Or the weird half&half of gw2
my first impression of the new flying mechanic was that it wont work in WoW because its basically flying like we have been doing for over a decade but more work and less functional. I dont play guild wars but based on the flying hes showing, its special because it didnt exist in the game before (again i dont know). 1 week into dragonflight people are going to complain the flying is annoying and then they're going to make it so you can unlock actual normal flying through training.
I’m really new to mmo’s and I’m trying to get into them have bounced around all of them so far I like the combat of lost ark (really like guardian raids) the most but I like WoW the most for everything else lol
WoW (and FF14) are some of the last MMOs that don't have that pay2win or pay to not grind massively. You are on an even playing field if you are an average player (top mythic raiders do spend a lot on WoW tokens for gold I think) and since gold doesn't progress you much (if at all) as far as power progression goes the only other items in the shop are visual. It sure as hell beats the gambling end game power progression of Lost Ark. WoW also could be considered the best in very many ways, Mounts, Transmog, Raiding, Dungeons, Achievements, Gameplay (if you want typical MMO gameplay) are all examples of the major areas I think it beats every other game. It's not a perfect game but I think it's the best MMO still at this point for someone like me at least. I was very upset with the way the lore and story played out in Shadowlands (leveling experience is great IMO though), but a recent theory has me reconsidering (that the Primus is actually "behind it all" lol). At the very least Zoval being depicted as a literal puppet at least explained to me why he came off so hollow. I just hope, as listen through the audiobook of Sylvanas, that there is at least a somewhat well reasoned explanation for why she joined with the Jailer and everything up to what happened last patch.
@@luvhair255 So if you don’t pay for a subscription then your pirating the game, right? 😒
I was very excited about finally getting a new healing class since it’s what I love to main. Then I heard it was a dragon race and I love dragons! Then I saw the model of the dragons and thought, "what in the ever-lovin’ Cracker Jack is that….." So. I’m gonna need Bliz to give me the option to not use that dragon form if I don’t wanna.
Do people accuse car manufacturers of ripping off Ford's Model-T because other cars use 4 wheels and an internal combustion engine?
If he thinks WoW developers are completely void of talent, I'd like to see him make a good MMO
It is insane, how much you have explain to people, that some people like experimenting even if that means they do worse in general
The real reason the trailer didn't have that shock for me was the fact that we pretty much already knew that was going to happen! If there weren't so many leaks going around and we didn't know ahead of time that the expansion was going to be themed around dragons, then it really would've been this "WOAH! Dragons!?" kind of moment
Yea I agree. It was the leaks that had the biggest downer effect
Yeah, basically the whole trailer seemed built around "dragon expansion!"
In the trailer you have a dude climbing on a tower, succeeding, then flying on a dragon.
Wow, amazing...
@@aidenlenhardt4163 A joke of a game you watch videos all day about and light up the comment section. Get real bud the cinematic was good.
@@aidenlenhardt4163 Almost like there are other things going on with Blizzard and the game that affect the perception of the cinematic. Keep wasting your time watching vids about "a joke of a game" real productive of you.
I want a Caverns of Time expansion where they do an entire expansion to the First War then Second war/Tides of Darkness. That would feel like home.
Endwalker didn't do much to me until I went through the MSQ and the entire Endwalker scenery made me cry into tears. WoW always had pectacles........and it is my hope this 'calm' scenery will result into great surprises because often that which does not spring much to mind comes out from unexected corner, or something.
The criticism about the dragon mount in WoW is unfounded. Why would WoW create a mount in the same way GW2 does? They adapted it to their world. They don’t need to know the history or usage in another game when they’re not developing for GW2.
It's best to be familiar with outside systems that work. So that when someone attempts something, it isn't a subpar version of an already existing one, or just a carbon copy of it. This is how things improve. Keeping your head in the ground, and ignoring the success of other's work, is how you end up creating a worse version of something. So yes, Blizzard should be aware of GW2 mount mechanics, as building off of it will lead to a better end product.
5:29 :: We'll disagree on this one, the stone thing was very apparent it was going to happen because they did the /exact/ same "whoa people fell but dragon caught them just in time..!" trope in HotS cinematics of all games. It would've been 100x better if the stone creature shattered.
But that’s cruel, mean and sad. We don’t want that in our game. We want ponies, sparkles and rainbow. (Blizzard probably)
@@ProtossOP Big true. Both of you.
Stone creature shattering. The breaking of the old to try and make better
There is a HotS cinematic where Alexstrasza walks off a cliff and then turned into her dragon form but there isn't one where someone is caught by a dragon after falling, unless it got delisted or something. I will say they are similar but its not the same as a dragon swooping down and catching someone compared to just intentionally jumping off a cliff and turning into one.
So you want the character who somehow has more character and clear motivations than the Jailor to die? You don't see a problem with that?
i am kinda surprised taht blizzard didnt release a succubus race with one of the legion themed expansions...
The shattering of the sky was pretty easy to see coming if you paid attention to the quests during Battle for Azeroth. Bwonsamdi basically said what would happen.
Its quite hyperbolic to suggest that a single expansion could ever kill World of Warcraft. If the game ever actually dies it'll be because Activision don't want to pour money into it anymore.
WoW got Microsoft money backing it starting next year, safe to bet it's gonna be just fine
It's been dying for years. There is going to be a last expansion and what I've heard from the die hard people that still play, they are about done with the game.
@@MAGAMAN wow nice you definitely got it. Your 3 friends have stopped. It's done for!
How did we get a dragon race without ever getting playable Ogres, Forest Trolls, or even Night Elf allied Forest Nymphs?
Or gnolls, or harpies, or quillboar, or centaur, or Naga, or... the amount of intelligent secondary races this world has that is ignored is heartbreaking.
@@NeflewitzInc I'm sorry, according to WoW players these days, those are ALL Furry races, so you aren't allowed to want those anymore. In fact, anything out of the box standard of Humans, Orcs, and Elves is a Furry. Have a nice day.
/s of course
@@LtSMASH324 you dont say...geuss why Dude. They rather give Fox race to game then these races mentioned. The player based was Hurt Disappointed Lied to so many times that just dont believe this company.
They cant give us Blademaster Class and those races. We waited whole fucking 19 years for this and nothing! They gave us middle finger.
@@LtSMASH324 You're totally right, anything that is an animal with Human traits and behavior , is basically a furry .
Furries! Thats why.
I wonder what the numbers are going to look like when we see Wrath release. I already see the servers filling in preparation for the release.
The thing that worries me about the talent tree is we are just making the same decisions as the previous talent tree but in a way where you can non-thematically hybridize your character into performing worse than the basic kits allowed anyways, it feels illusory. It feels like we have the illusion of interesting choices and we'll notice the negative nuances quickly later on.
This has and will always be the case with talent “choices” though. There will always be the best meta choices no matter how it’s laid out, and there will always be suboptimal choices.
At least we won’t have bullshit covenant trees and conduits or corruptions or whatever other borrowed power garbage from the last expansions.
Ask for blizzard to make better use of assets so they can make more content, complain about reused assets. No winning
I like how "invest your multimillions of profit in to creating new content with new assets" isn't even an option.
@@Auesis yeah, they’ve been recycling for way over a decade. It’s embarrassing
@@Auesis 3Head
Hey man, my brother quit playing when they got rid of the talent trees and he was more into wow than me. The whole deviation from builds thing was something I did in wow frequently. Most people would complete at least 1 tree and throw a bunch of talent points into a different tree, and that was how wow worked. I still experimented with builds where none of the specs were complete, and it was fun! One example on my mage was that I put part of my talents on Arcane, Fire, and Frost instead of completing just one talent tree. There was room to do whatever I wanted
i liked the part where the falling person was saved mid air by the dragon like in ffxiv
and that you can fly around like guildwars.
Players have been asking for mounted combat on par with Dragonriding.
Sucks that they aren't making usable on all flying mounts.
Or hell just land mount combat, calvary style would be badass.
Asmon might pick fun at dragon flight “killing” wow but I really believe that is the best possible thing for wow at this point. It’s time to redo everything.
i think they're afraid to release WoW2 because they know it has potential to fail.
I feel like Blizzard is in a tough spot here. Shadowlands has been their lowest point so far, so they kind of have to 'fix' the game as quickly as possible. Everyone wants Dragonflight to come out ASAP so we can collectively forget SL ever happened. At the same time, they run the risk of not giving the game enough time to cook, especially with the various revamps and new features. For WoW to even come close to feeling like its old self again, the new content needs a certain amount of depth that can't be accomplished by rushing it.
i agree with you, i would be beter if they took the time to develop dragonflight instead than rushing it the last thing i want is a rushed expension
One of the biggest problems imo will be if dragonflying in itself is going to replace flying because if you do apply full use of it in other areas other than the Dragon Isles and if it's better people will pretty much throw the old system away but if its bad it'll just become another system that blizzard has to throw away. With flying and mounts being a big aspect of endgame the only other way that dragonflying can stay will be if there is an aspect of the game only mounts with dragonflight are able to do such as areas that have to much pressure making it impossible for mounts that don't have dragonflight to pass through or traverse another problem would be the huge abundance of dragon mounts without dragonflight and need it implemented onto them for them for any cohesiveness among the mount to make sense and not confuse to newer players
I liked the cinematic a lot, and to be honest I was surprised Alexstrasza did catch him. Sure, it was easy to guess, but I also expected him to end up crashing simply because every other watcher had crumbled, so I figured they would go with the "he died fulfilling their one duty: bringing the dragons home" So, I was really happy and a little surprised when he got saved.
It reminded me of the cutscene in FF14’s Heavensward when a crazed angry Elezen Ishgardian priest hurled a child hostage off the roof of a church and a dragon caught her.
I like the approach they are taking with dragonflight. So far it's looking cool, the return of updated talent trees and funnier things like dragon flying instead of mandatory progression systems. It seems like they want to improve the fundamentals of the game instead of adding more borrowed power.
I agree with the "dont jump into a narrative" take. But the trailer was still the most boring game trailer i can remember. When i first saw it, i was just scratching my head. Beyond disappointing as an cinemeatic. But at the same time, i am glad it is not BFA 3.0
Couldn’t agree more. I thought the trailer was graphically beautiful but boring.
What would be amazing is if players can cast spells and abilities while on their dragons on top of having a fire breathing action from their dragon.
I liked the cinematics as well, and since cata, this is the first expansion that has a chance of getting me back into retail.
I really like the narrative of just having an expansion based around the dragon aspects and not some crazy stuff like
the core of existence of the universe like wtf man I just wanna have some cool fantasy stuff not get an existential crysis.
I like this comment actually haha
See you in 10.3.
BFA was not supposed to be about cosmic shit or Old Gods, yet we got Nyalotha.
And unless you're addicted to the inevitable time-gating, you'll probably play it for a month considering how bland the story and setting will become if nothing really happens.
Despite all my reservations, I don't want to be the person who'd throw tomatoes on everything Blizzard makes these days. I want them to honestly succeed, I want to see them do better, I want the company's name to clean their slate, change their toxic ethos and do better. the expansion hasn't come out yet, and though I am lowering expectations on this one, I am cautiously hopeful. And this is me as an ff14 player who grew up with Starcraft and Warcraft 3+ expansion.
It’s sad more people don’t think like this because everyone just hops on the bandwagon cause it’s fun, rightfully so by all means trash something that is trash but only after it’s been played
The cinematic would have been really good if the stone men had to fight off a legion group or other bad guy that broke through the barrier, over the time skip they fight to the last stone guardian defending the isles instead of just waiting, and then boom would have made all the rest better by default and stone guy would be pog not lame
I feel like at least for Sylvanas it would make sense that she would destroy the helm of domination. Arthas was the one to kill her and raise her as a banshee, and after she tries to off herself after he dies because it's over. However I feel she may have seen further and figured if it wasn't for The Lich King or Ner'zhul then none of this would have happened and sought to destroy it which she did. I may be wrong but that's my theory on why it makes sense and why she did that.
I like how he is constantly shitting on WoWs engine and totally ignoring the DX9 clusterfuck that is GW2. You get like 20 FPS on a 3090 running standby clocks in Lions Arch. Because they still use a Windows XP era graphics API that isn't capable to produce enough of a load on a high end GPU to cause it to clock up or otherwise signal the hardware to do so.
There is an addon to upgrade to higher dx
It's not as bad as you described, and at least it's being worked on actively.
or the fact that the game looks like lord of the rings online lol
DX9? Well, you see they are currently in the process of upgrading to DX11...
@@hanneskarlbom6644 heard that years ago
It always surprised me how there wasn't a playable dragon race in the game. You see these npc's that can turn into dragons through some of the stories in World of Warcraft. I say it's about time! I think the game will not be complete without DragonFlight. Took long enough. I've always admired how beautiful Alexstrasza looked and how cool Wrathion was.
honestly I feel they should of taken from another mmo for the dragon races design, heck look at rs3's dragonkin model for a humanoid dragon species looks a lot better than the the design they picked
if there werent leaks the dragon part would have been a badass surprise
but no we have to have everything leaked early because that is so fun
I find it funny that he uses this latest cinematics lack of hype generation as an argument and then brings up the trailers of some of the worst expansions we've had to date.
All previous cinematics were way better though.
@@emarskineel no? I liked this way more than Legion or BfA.
@@aFoolsMartyr our opinions are different. This one was slow and ultra bland for my tastes.
@@emarskineel What im saying is that the reveal cinematic should not be used to estimate how good the expansion is going to be.
In fact, the most hype expansion trailer for many was WoD's which probably hurt its reputation more than it would have otherwise because people were really excited and then let down hard. Thats likely the reason why many see it as WoWs worst expansion (or maybe second if they hated shadowlands more).
@@emarskineel exactly. See, what happens when you state your opinion as a fact? Makes for unnecessary discussion.
I think Asmongold pointed out two very good points in the videos that I disagree with as well. I don't think that dragon ridi g is borrowed power and I don't think that this mechanic will be impactfull in terms of the survival of wow.
These two points were like the weakest in both of the videos.
when you compare that dragon clip to basically any cinematic short from the early days of Overwatch, you can see the issue
If yall havent, I recommend trying gw2. Base games free, no sub fee, can keep leaving and coming back to the game without falling behind. its great.
Borrowed Power has been a problem since Mists. The amazing items and legendaries that were straight-up ripped from players gives Blizzard the most disgusting boner. Unless Dragonflying is implemented in every zone and you can keep the mounts after the expansion is over, this will INEVITABILITY piss EVERYONE off. But Blizzard won't do this.
Mists: Crystal of Insanity - a hidden item with a long cooldown that helped players that didn't have enough gold for elixirs yet. Ignored in WoD, should have been buffed with a % stat boost
WoD: Garrisons - forced players to spend time and gold in their isolated player-housing, then nerfed them so players can't make gold from them in Legion (even if you were leveling alts)
Legion: Amazing Artifact Weapons that became intrinsic to gameplay and rotations. Thrown away at lvl 115 with the most unsatisfying nerf, with a shitty necklace replacing it
Blizzard can't be scared of what has been added to the game. Be proud of what it already is, and make every item valuable. I would straight up resub if I can use my Thunderfury in Mythic+ progression and pop my Aqua Jewel off of cd to be a badass for a swimming section that pisses everyone off without one.
MAKE Aviana's Feather USEABLE outside of Draenor. Fuck the Kyrian Wings knockoff proves they have no problem with this mechanic.
NERF all flying mounts so Dragonflying can shine. No need to afk with 310% or whatever it is now if a better alternative is provided.
Give all players their Artifact weapon abilities back in the new talent tree.
Hell I'd even add in that gear should have a 1% boost to stats if they're not transmogged. Make the artists happy.
@@afc9447 I appreciate it sir.
The issue with WoWs story telling is that they went too far deep into OP characters and crazy storylines that they feel the need to top it every time. Every issue wow has today stems from what happened in TBC, I loved TBC but the changes started there.. From flying mounts and heroics to the pvp. Not to mention ITS IN SPACE. Going back for the latest expansion wasn't fun, it was a chore and stressing.. Gear shouldn't be the core focus on the game, like once you have the gear, that should be it like in Vanilla. GW2 does this masterfully.
Going into "death realm" and quick, meaningless victory vs N'Zoth was very bad choice. N'Zoth should be teased much harder, make sea more terryfing, more interesting, add secrets, hard to find and kill elites/bosses. Make seas act strangely with thunder, huge waves, tentacles striking/kraken appearing out of nowhere. Huge orange eye blinking. Scare people, make them wonder. Resurrect Yogg Saron, make something up with saronite. Resurrect C'Thun, make people fight Twilight's Hammer cultists with old god's influence (something like flesh remade cultists in Darkest Dungeon). You could have one more or two expansions teasing and slowly making Old Gods appear, have them make more permanent impact on world and such. Instead they made nightmare visions and one raid to kill "the smartest, most cunning" Old God, only one who got unchained. Whole death realm is another fucking level. Now you are going to meet literal Gods who judge where you land after death and rules over these souls. What the fuck?
Yup WoW was quickly starting to suffer from Dragonball syndrome
people hating on titans being in the cinematic obv never played wrath or vanilla which had tons of rock titan dudes in them
I agree with you on a lot of this as far as like, we don't completely know how it's going to be/turn out except for the cinematic.
It wasn't abysmal, but it was definitely something that I watched and wasn't touched by at all. I haven't genuinely played WoW in a long time but every previous cinematic made me feel like "Holy shit I wanna play again!" even if only for a brief amount of time. This one didn't leave me feeling anything at all other than I wasted a bit of my time that day.
I haven’t played WoW since Lich King, so looking at the speculation from the outside in, I think Pessimism is gonna beat Optimism again. The reason I feel the pessimistic outlook seems more likely is I’m pretty sure Blizzard is burned out, they keep churning out these half-finished expansions at a regular pace, and they’re reduced to copying trending meaning there’s no reason to expect innovation. All the wishful thinking in the world can’t keep Blizzard Magic going, same way it couldn’t save BioWare Magic, they’re creatively bankrupt, emotionally exhausted, and force to keep pushing out factory-mandated derivative churn to meet arbitrary financial milestones.
I would further double down that unfounded optimism from a community is a “bad friend” relationship, the enabler. The misguided cheerleading is doing more damage to company you say you love by happy talking your way past criticisms like AG consistently does here “oh we don’t have enough information” is NFT bro level cult behavior, it’s not just FUD, there are reasonable good faith arguments for the pessimism, and your unwavering support (which you probably feel good about) is just enabling bad behavior.
But what do I know, I’ve only played vanilla WoW, and maybe this is the expansion they finally turn it all around! 😏
I feel like GW2 players love their game. Everyone else appreciates GW2 for having very well polished game mechanics yet doesn't enjoy playing it for some reason or another. I think a problem with GW2 is that it's not a turn-your-brain-off game. You have to pay attention and there are a lot of "hardcore" mechanics that reward skill, but also means you need skill... I put about 400 hours into GW2, but couldn't really get into the game. I think it's a game I would have loved when I was younger and had the time and energy to play. These days I just want a game I can put on an audiobook and relax.
GW2 is weird, like everything in it, is good, or atleast decent, yet i got bored of it pretty quickly.
i stopped playing when i basically found out the game was just cosmetic wars
I need more than 5 buttons. Only reason I can't get into gw2.
@@mrfrupo well considering you have 10, and swap weapons to 15 it isn't an issue. Not to mention if ur an ele you swap elements whenever u want so you have 25 at your disposal
@@collintaddiken1400 swapping feels terrible, why do I have to do that? It's slow and clunky. 10 second CD between swaps? Also, a problem I always run into when playing GW2 is every single weapon type has like 3 abilities I like and 2 I can't stand, but are forced onto my bar, so none of the weapons feel good.
I think they should make all mounts be able to do flips and all when say.. 10.3 hits. Or limit regular mount alowed flying hight ;)
I'm honestly hoping their going to go back to basics with the lore.
We have a brand new expansion, based on a 'faction' which has loads of lore and baseline story they can build off. I.e, Dragonflight is focused on rebuilding the different aspects - Emerald Dream corruption still a problem, focus on that. Emerald Dream becomes more prominent over the expansion, next expansion: Into the Emerald Dream, which focuses on the main form of corruption. Say this is Void. The following expansion is "Into the void".
Introduce new characters they can build over multiple expansions and a story which flows. My worry is their going to go into this loop of "Jailer". A big bd who appears for an expansion then disappears.
I want an another arthas, build up over multiple games and multiple expansions, we know about arthas throughout wow, Warcraft is obvious but in vanilla we saw the scourge, and they were scary af, multiple dungeons with small time scourge leaders, the higher the level, the higher in command and closer to the lich king, eventually killing freaking Kel’thuzad in naxx.
Or another Killjeadan, holy hell that was an insanely good villain, with the Illidan storyline….
Really, blizzard had such amazing villains that completely grab you, and now we just get the jailer?
The new Dragonflight cinematic looks like it came from Pixar studios.
Dont hope for the success of the game, ignore it, and play it when it is actually good... A game should not get you money unless that game is proven to be good. If a game is good it will continue to grow, WoW is not good, it does not grow. If a subscriber base declines that means word of mouth brought new people, and nothing in that game appealed to them, they left, and in so doing didnt continue that word of mouth to bring in other new players. That means it is a bad game, more specifically a bad MMO.
@Keshuel in order for a garbage game to make alot of money it has to bring either many players that spend money on it, in which case it isn't a garbage game, it is just a game you hate. Or it has to have a mechanic that is addictive, that will get a small group of players to spend alot of money on it. Gamers aren't stupid, they are just human, and being human, the same psychological tricks that will get people to gamble away their life savings in a casino will work in a virtual world as well. That's not a good game that is a predatory game. That is an entirely different discussion.
However I didn't make an argument based on money. I did it purely based on the population of a game, in this case an MMO, where the number of players that play it, says more about the game, than the number of people that consistently play a single player game. An MMO is different than a single player game, because it is a continuous experience, while a single player games success is strictly dictated by a very short period from where it initially goes up for sale. It is like the difference between a channel like asmongold who has a consistent high number of average views, versus a single video that goes extremely viral. The success is measured in different ways.
The success of an MMO is that the higher its average player count, the better that MMO is. You can try to deny this, but that is simply how it is, not everyone's preference match yours, nor should they. If the MMO starts to consistently lose its player base, that means they are making bad decisions that are driving away the player base. Now the only time this isnt the case, is in the case of the ebb and flow of the content, where players will get bored of the content, leave for a period and then come back when there is new content.
WoW is a bad MMO, because it's average player count continue to trends downward, even though they release new content. That means new content can't even bring people back to play the game. It is even worse, still because there are more gamers today then there were yesterday, a game should not be seeing a decline at all, but a steady increase. I would even say that a certain level of increase means that the game is doing poorly because your increase should be somewhat proportional to the number of gamers there are. If there is an increase of new gamers there should be an increase in the number of new players that subscribe to WoW.
“A game should not get your money unless that game is proven to be good” not true you should spend your money on whatever game you want as long as it’s good to you. Not base it off popularity. There are plenty of good games that go under the radar because of not enough advertising other than that everything else you said is correct
@@crashzone6600 also wow player count is not really going down. Don’t know where you get your info from but just because people are hating on it doesn’t mean it’s not a popular mmo or a failed one. Failing maybe but it isn’t by any means failing really hard right now. Looking at some random site for stats and as of April 2021 it had 5.9 million players this past 30 days had 5.6 mil
@@boosted2167 I do not care if a game is popular, that's not what I said.... I said a good MMO will grow its player base. It doesn't have to be the most popular game to do that, just like a small business does not have to beat Walmart in order to be a good business. The growth of a product is a direct reflection on its quality, people will not use a product if it's bad, nor will they recommend to other people, for the most part. There are predatory sales practices such as pyramid schemes and what not. And you can sell a bad product though, it just will not grow as fast as a good product. This is how business works.
"In Q2 2017, World of Warcraft reached 46 million monthly active users thanks to the Legion expansion. By 2021, the MAU count had dropped to 26 million. As of 2022, around 4.8 million people subscribe to World of Warcraft."
@@crashzone6600 you can spot a person who's never worked closely with someone who runs a successful business a mile a way when they start talking about economics. I've done all sorts of awful shit in my life, like represent oil and gas companies, represent telecom companies, help private equity firms do leveraged buyouts and start up SPACs for rich kids who were set for life the second they got internships in their sophomore year of college. There's a lot of capital with a strong intetest in you believing quality and sales have some tight relationship and the countless counterexamples are perversions rather than a mountain of evidence that disproves the rule. You're basically repeating corporate propaganda. You may as well tell me Ford's sorry for the Pinto, Nike supports labor rights for women, and Shell's leading the clean energy revolution. Same shit. You believe what you believe so they can get away with what they get away with.
I just thought about Heavensward when that dragon swooped in to make the save. But I'm crazy like that. :p
Wasn't the griffon released in Ark: Ragnarok before it was in GW2?