Asmongold Reacts to WoW's Most Controversial Video
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- Asmongold watches hirumaredx take on the most controversial WoW topic. Was Borrowed Power Actually Good?
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Not only was the video made on april first. But he took a 19 minute video and made it a hour long.
This is the same guy who defended wow 3 reforged and banned people for trash talking it when he was love streaming it. He's a hard core WoW simp.
@@NEPAAlchey So he cant have a different opinion?
@@NEPAAlchey Oh, does he really ban thrash talkers? I should check his streams out, seems like he is a good guy
First time watching an Asmon React video?
@@Danny01474 are you talking about hirumaredx or asmongold? i hope its not asmongold because if it is youre dead wrong lmao
I actually like near all the borrowed power systems while playing my main, because I get to look forward to new stuff. Its just the tedium of having to do them on alts having to grind to get the powers ive already experienced on my main, and quests I've already done. It just feels like a grind to get where I feel like i should already be
The point asmon makes about having the legion legendaries in his bag was a great one. Its the idea of making one thing good in certain situations and others better in their situations. It makes players not only make choice in the moment to fulfill a certain role but also the flexibility to on the fly swap to another unique and useful toolset.
Exactly, it also allows players to choose a general purpose legendary that can fill most situations well enough if they don't want to have to micromanage their gear.
@@kaydden4634 No one wants that
No one wants that either
Meh usually it's just picking the one that is best for most situations/the activities you play and go with it, too lazy to swap - it's a nuisance.
@@clauslarsen8971 just because YOU dont want that, don't be stupid enough to tell someone they dont want it
What he's describing at 21:45 with the Legion Legendaries is exactly what Destiny does with Exotics. Basically a bag of tricks you haul around for specific situations. A lot of games have some sort of borrowed power system. The problem with WoW is each new system is obsolete after an expack or a few big patches.
Did Asmon played Destiny? Because i quit wow and found Destiny 2 this game so much fun
That is LITERALLY the meaning of borrowed power.. You borrow it. Which means you only have it for a limited time. To make room for New borrowed power. To not make a 17 year old game stale
@@clauslarsen8971 The problem is, WoW has been stale for years.
@@Professor_Butt because it's 17 years old. Or more. What do you expect. It's amazing it's still as big as it is
@@clauslarsen8971 I don't expect anything. I was just making an observation about the parallels between Destiny and WoW and how the two different games/companies use Borrowed Powers as a mechanic and how one is more successful than the other with that specific issue.
Got 8 out 10 legion legendaries without getting the two best ones.. then I quit.
The worst thing about Azerite is by far the fact that you could loot a higher ilvl piece and not being able to use it because a fully unlocked lower ilvl one were better.
The thing about the artifact weapon is that never went bad, the system was a expansion power not a patch power.. completly different
The biggest problem I had with most of these systems is the fact that the new systems weren't account wide. Like the moment you hit 110 in Legion your artifact should've had it the same as your main if leveling an alt. Another thing that made me mad was that they instantly threw out Artifacts after Legion like it was Mega Evolution in Pokemon X & Y
I've had the theory for a while that they actyually design really cool systems and then in a revision phase say "ok how can we drag this out for as long as possible?"
It's just too much to be a coincidence.
I remember during legion I played constantly since the start and I LOVED disc priest, but there was a legendary trinket that was super OP for disc that never dropped for me. In fact, the only legendaries I had were the worst ones available for pve.
I was having a lot of fun in Nighthold but my healing wasn't quite there so when I tried to step up to mythic, people told me to come back when I had better legendaries. Fuck that system
The difference with borrowed power that feels bad is when there entire abilities or heavily gameplay defining systems that are not well thought out on release (due to them coming and going so quick), and then once they are finally tuned up and decent to play with, they are simply abandoned for the most part
@Inksday not being permanent is the definition of borrowed lol
I liked the ap system more than azerite power because it made u very strong, it also had visual changes, like my enhancement shaman started making cyclones on autos or building up earthquakes around me that then shoot at the enemy. It looked cool and felt cool so the grind for me felt worth it. Azerite power didn't feel the same way for me.
The whole doing world quests faster because stronger reminded me of kiting fel reavers from the ledge where you bomb them while flying (they have more health than the other fel reavers) to Honor Hold and they just go crazy on the newbs.
I think the enjoyment of the artifact/Suramar storylines and questing made my early legion experience good enough that the legendary frustration was minimal. Whilst I didn't immmediately have my BiS on every spec, i quickly had a "good enough" one just through playing the game by the time ToV came out and player power was needed.
The community did itself a fuckload of harm in deciding they needed BiS legos for EN which was completely not tuned for that and my guild cleared Mythic with most not having their BiS because it just wasn't needed.
And by the time ToS came out the chance of having your best lego was high so it genuinely never bothered me.
People always claim the start of Legion was awful but... I always thought it was fun, and the overall experience was one of the best WoW has ever had.
bro in legion I used to run MM+ with atleast different sets on my fire mage depending on the boss/pack I was fighting, the gameplay and spell modifications they offered really felt great
I liked artifact weapons at the start mostly. My biggest dislike is once I got all the traits the grind should be done. Then I can focus on an alt weapon or diffrent spec. However their was no end so if you wanted to be viable you had to put a shit ton of time into alts if you wanted to take them on raids or mythic runs. Their were points if your artifact didn't have +20 or +40 you couldn't raid. So my alts never got played. Just played my main and grinned ap every day of the week Just to stay competitive.
If the ap grind ended once the weapon capped and I could go grind an alt it wouldn't been so bad.
the funniest thing that has happened to me is that im farming reputation in pandaria for some question and im doing AoE and i hear a random whelp around me, i turn around and it was a worgen rogue that was in stealth trying to get past me, i nearly pissed my pants of laughter.
54:40 Dude, this part spoke to me so much! I've been saying for years that Blizzard needs to do something crazy with the classes, starting with creating a RANGED TANK! Even if they have to create a sort of shield or projection of the tank within melee distance of the mob to avoid redesigning whole boss mechanics and stuff. Like, the boss would be attacking a projection or shield at melee, and the actual player is ranged. And I love all the things you mentioned that have to do with making tanking and healing more accessible and more attractive. The Mythic+ waiting times need to be reduced so bad, man. I know you don't have this issue if you have a super active or hardcore guild but the fact of the matter is that most WoW players use the Dungeon Finder for their M+ runs. Blizzard needs to make tanking and healing more accessible, more fun, and more popular, and giving tanking and healing specs to crazy DPS classes would really hit the spot. Tanks also need a major boost to their aggro at the pull moment and for 3 to 5 seconds after the pull. After that, Blizzard can make the tank do their work with their DPS to keep aggro but making aggro weak at the pull moment makes tanking so freakin' stressful in many PuGs.
Its funny how many things Asmon likes and wants in mmos, Wildstar had. If Wildstar launched today in the state it was at when it shut down, with a month of solid advertising, the game would take off. The raids were amazing, the housing was amazing, the art style was unique, great playable races. Tier gear that changed the fundamental playstyles of the class. Frictionless spec swapping. Frictionless Mog. Great mounts. No major secondary systems that I remember. A ranged tank class, a melee heal class.
i've been saying this for years! God I miss my dps medic :(
@@lc9245 asmon has said multiple times that he loves WoWs art style and that he only requires graphic benchmark and that in the animated type styles even less so. The problem is players didn't know about a lot of the stuff at launch. The game state at the end of red moon terror compared to launch is night and day. And its amazing what a few well placed commercials can do.
Wildstar's biggest issue was it was sci-fi. Should have went Fantasy. If it was fantasy it would have been a lot more popular.
i'm not so sure about that. i played wildstar on release, and while the game wasn't bad, it was never able to grip me. i wasn't playing any other mmo at the time, so it's not like it was competition causing it either.
Main issue was the aesthetic. Was like discount Ratchet and Clank.
My biggest problem with the essence system in BfA was, that you had to do a bunch of PvP to get essences that are optimal for PvE, which I personally think is complete bs.
Are you referring to the Blood of the Enemy (and their healer/tank equivalents) or Conflict and Strife? If you're referring to Blood of the Enemy, for rank 3, I don't think 30k honor in battlegrounds is too terrible of a grind. 2 hours, so unless you're short on time it really isn't that bad. CONFLICT AND STRIFE HOWEVER, that one would suck for anyone that doesn't enjoy PvP and its their BIS essence, because that required multiple weeks of rated PvP if you weren't a high-end PvPer. Though I think for the most part most specs had Conflict and Strife as a minor power, not a major power BIS, and really having rank 2 vs rank 3 for that isn't that big of a game changer.
Ripple in Space is the only other PvP essence, a terrible blink isn't worth the trouble so I don't really count that one, especially when other minor powers were better to choose from than Ripple in Space's handful of primary stat that you got the same amount of regardless of the rank you had.
@@Zulfar-bd9tc Copege
oh believe me, pvpers had to do a disgusting amount of pve. worst expansion ever, only a bit worse than shadowlands.
I played WC3 and then WoW classic, I remember glyphs being fun when they added them. Sounds like alot has changed since Icecrown I guess.
my boy snapped on that 4th spec rant! ima need that.
Blizzard need to design bosses in dungeons and raids where max dps isn't always optimal or required. By making everything cutting edge difficulty in mythic, you force people to pick the 1% dps increase and follow cookie cutter builds. Stop punishing players in fights for taking longer to kill the boss, reward them for doing mechanics right. Add mechanics that give better dps if you follow them. There is all kinds of stuff you could do, but right now there is nothing that seperates classes and specs, it's all down to the numbers. Add back resistances and damage types, that gives us a reason to make builds for specific encounters. Want to have difficult raids, make achievements that up the difficulty by forcing you to do things unorthodox, or take less viable methods. Make it viable to pick mobility, cc, other damage types over flat damage. Raidfights should be more about mechanics than damage anyway. I'm not saying make everything mythic KJ, one fuck up wipes the raid. Give personal responsibility, reward players who do mechanics and stay alive or do mechanics that progress the fight. Mechanics that allow you do do the fight faster the better you do them. That kind of stuff.
Fucking TRUE
The problem with that is it would take shaking up the base combat system of WoW to do that. The reason it's all down to numbers and so on is because everyone is so familiar with the fundamentals of the combat system. You cannot design a boss that is pure utility/mechanics if you also want to have the combat system matter.
Basically, if you make a boss that has tough mechanics on a timer, high DPS makes the fight easier. If you have phases on boss hp then high DPS makes it easier, if you have add spawns, high DPS makes it easier, if you have specific mechanics that increase DPS (Alysrazor comes to mind) then high DPS still makes it easier.
I do agree that the game should be easier, but not just easier, rather more accessible. I feel the game is balanced too much around the degenerate shit done at the top end, so now even average guilds are semi-forced to participate. If instead mythic was tuned so that 25% of guilds, instead of 2% of guilds had the chance to clear it then perhaps 10% of guilds actually *WOULD* clear it, and that seems like a more healthy place.
To do that we do not need to uproot the combat system to make fights less impacted by DPS, but it may be interesting.
I mean that's literally what raid fights are now. Outside of the first two or three weeks damage isn't the issue holding you back from CE. Mythic raiding is literally Play Better, and there's so many encounters where you make a niche talent choice or a class goes one build if they're doing one role in the fight and a different build if they're not.
@@Xynth25 exactly lmao
Good thoughts. Bring the player not the class is the dream.
Azerite gear had potential to be something amazing, I think that's what he is saying, not that it is better than tier sets in general (The concept is, but the way it was implemented is not). If Blizzard was more creative with the Azerite Gear system, it could have very easily replaced tier sets in a cool and fun way, adding a ton of customization to many builds.
Its nice when becoming powerful on a charecter is actually noticeable and you can like see and feel it. I feel like a lot of games you Don t get that. U just got new items, spells, etc. And nothing else really changes as you advance. Your just the same charecter with new stuff and its feels like your could be doing the later progression even without any of that
54:39 THIS! More specs and variety for each class would be so fucking awesome. I really want a tank spec for hunter where your pet is your mount and you wield a polearm
Your new spec ideas were fire 🔥🔥🔥
the reason why i started to play a prot paladin was because of a video i saw at the start of bc where a prot paladin pulled half the troll area in stromgarde when leveling and they all died like flys and he did not even toke any damage..this was so cool.
51:39 pretty fucking hilarious talking about PvP balance when they allowed corruption in PvP. Like why even pretend they are putting thought into it.
Same reason they thought people would buy SL was the conclusion of their 20 year story lol
@@jamestomlin5525 the jailor was easily foreshadowed in warcraft 3 when Arthas turned pale. An obvious reference to the jailor and foretelling the obvious connect. Notice Sylvanas? Her skin did the same. It was obvious all along.
There are 2 different systems thrown into the same cup here.
Borrowed power from items and sets isnt lost, you normally just replace them when you have something better.
Borrowed power from artifact weapons is lost because you are getting forced to lose it.
It matters a lot how you obtain (mentioned in the video) and how you lose these powers and how much control you have over it and a few other things.
Glyphs were awesome, now they butchered the profession and almost all glyphs are useless and boring. I dont remember glyphs being over the top rediculous in what they did for you either. Subtle changes that kind of added to the theme of your class mostly, no?
Inscription was the first profession I bothered to level up. Absolutely loved the concept, like a magic version of Engineering, yet less impactful.
There were a handful of glyphs over the years that were stupidly overpowered, but that mainly came from the fact that they were enhancing things that tended to have that quality inherent in them anyway.
I can understand that it was probably a headache to come up with glyphs that did stuff that was useful and not being overpowered and balancing so much, but it added a lot. Glyphs, being able to reforge gear, gemming/paying attention to the color of gem used and making choices for that (along with having gear with guaranteed sockets), and enchants (both through rep and through the prof) all gave one control and immersion to one's character.
Now, most of that stuff has been stripped or even removed. I always felt bad for people with inscription when they just gutted that profession.
playing a shadowpriest in bfa when corruptions came around was the best experience i ever had in wow. it was so much fun. only got to enjoy it for 2-3 months before it was made redundand since i joined in late.
This was uploaded on April fools day
I will buy the next xpac after around 6 months to a year after it comes out. That is if it is actually going well at that time. If it is, then I can assume I will have enough time to show up for Blizz to finally do what the community has asked for since the alpha. :)
I really liked corruptions at the end of BFA, had the vendor's stock rotated faster and offer more options, that system would have been truly fantastic.
or imagine if the vendor just had all of them and there was no rotation and they weren't expensive... groundbreaking
@@zachphoenix4522 Mind = blown
As someone who came back to the game and blasted to renown 80 by the time the covenant main campaign was over combined with the increased anima rewards you are absolutely correct if Covenants were in this state upon release they would have been a lot more loved.
I honestly miss corruptions. Infinite stars among a few other things was the most fun I've had in wow in a long time
On my tank, I agree with you. On my mage...well, I had SO much mastery. Like, ALL the mastery. And that was a kind of fun. :P
I hope that shit never even gets entertained as an april fools joke. never have i ever hated the game more then that. If they said they would bring it back in a post today, I would quit the game yesterday.
@@omarcomming722 Oh, sorry. I was a bit harsh then. if you compere it to SL then BFA comes out on top for sure, I agree.
In my opinion BFA beats SL, WOD, and Mop... I just relay hated corruption, totally fucked up everything :P
@@PoldaranOfDalaran I didn't play much during BFA but yeah the stat stacking was crazy, 50% crit on my fury warrior was some of the most fun I've had playing this game since i started back in Mop. Sucks i didn't get to experience it that much because by the time I'd gotten enough crit pieces the next xpac was right around the corner. Also sucks that the only other class i got to play was MW monk, was fun but i wish they'd implemented that system a bit better, I probably wouldn't have quit for over a year if they'd just done what they did with the vendor and stuff earlier so people would've had a chance to screw around on alts and actually have some fun in the game that's supposed to be fun ya know
Tank mages, as a forth spec they use magic to phase partially out of existence to avoid taking dmg and use spells to hold aggro without dmg.
Artifact power was one thing I could look past but legion legendaries can burn in the pits of hell FOREVER, even after the vendor the time before it ruined them completely and utterly.
Legion was hands down my favorite expansion in WoW. I even enjoyed doing the dailies.
Making yourself more powerful over time doesn't require taking away borrowed powers. If you never gave them and just gave vertical or horizontal progression you can make the next expansion harder based on skills alone. Especially with mob scaling now.
maybe you should collect boss heads and after 3 you can claim the tier piece trinket or weapon that will stop gdkp to a degree as well as by the time you have done 3 boss kills you will have your item and can then start to build your offset or swap for enchanting items and the bosses can rarely drop a special item to personal loot according to spec and the more times you kill a boss the more gold you get drop from that boss
23:00 I honestly don't know how you can say that considering the acquisition of it straight til the end was completely screwed up. Yes, even after they added a vendor. Do you remember how much those pieces cost?
So true about seeing people play other classes and you want to play it. I distinctly remember that in wrath, wanted to try everything!!
Make a tree wirh points for u to spend along the game progress as u wich acording to ur playstile. And maybe that way u will be able to balance the classes. Just a thougth.
I remember quitting around Nighthold. Guess who got screwed over by the legendary Lottery? It's great when you have another player of the same specc out dpsing you about 6 out of 10 times, and the best part its solely due to having good legendaries when you have bad ones, otherwise you would destroy their dps.
Not to mention that people who enjoy doing high level stuff feeling compelled to farm as much as possible to try to get them because some of the legendaries were so powerful. People forget all the complaints at the start of Legion about how bad it was. It wasn't tied to anything - everything could get you one so players did everything. It feels really bad when you are raiding and can't get what you need while some random dude that plays an hour a week gets a BiS legendary while doing a WQ that ends up being WF (and I knew someone who was the latter). I even knew some raiders who were unlucky enough to have never gotten a legendary before clearing Nighthold.
Like in what world is this okay? Especially in a game where the community judges you by your gear? When you have that little control over your gear to the point that you are compelled to play far more than you would have doing things you don't like so that you can maybe finally do what your class should be doing - it feels bad.
You know what would have felt better? Working for gear augments through a variety of activities that were not random drops that enhanced what you were doing and got rid of the gambling aspect.
New specs would be one of the greatest updates in WoW, A hunter who is a horseback archer, a Warrior samurai spec who focus on skill and poise for huge burst, a rogue who is more of a cruel murderer who uses traps, lures and dirty tricks to keep you in their control and separate you from the herd, a melee warlock who used their knowledge in demonology to become what they worship and control, a ranged death knight who uses death magic to destroy their opponents. The opportunities are high and varied, and it’s such a cool idea too.
Some of the most fun I have had on WoW was near the end of BFA with full twilight devastation on a tank, just blasting through mythics and world quest. Would love to see something fun and seasonal implemented into WoW like D3/PoE because I would probably come back for something like that.
If you enjoy mindless gameplay with no challenge just smashing teought there is something wrong with you then.
One thing that always stuck with me when it comes to unlockable powers is the fairy ring teleportation network in runescape.
At first you need a useless staff to use them, and you have to always have that on you if you need to travel through the network.
Later on a quest rewards you with a staff that is not "quite" as useless that has the same ability... but later on, which is the part that stuck with me.
You get rewarded with an enchanted molar by the toothfairy, which allows you to use the rings without external aid.
Did it made me more powerful? not really but it did make things more convenient and it was something that was now an ability of my character instead of an external aid.
this is one of the key reasons I hate modern runescape when they added the lodestone they just disregarded that most of the best quest rewards where some form of fast travel that you had to earn.
my fantasy 4th spec is a swashbuckling rogue wearing mail and can use buckler shields again. can be a tank spec.
got my wings of mastery in d3, i play the season a little and thats about it, but its still fun to me to blast through some levels on a whirlwind barbarian
Agree on better travel options. I think mounts can be great in one scenario though: zones that are designed around flying. And I don't mean "can access secret areas" I want full on Storm Peaks. These are probably hard to design, but I would be happy with 1 zone each expansion designed around flight. Write it off as "most of this continent is too windy" or whatever
Pandaria looks sp beautiful in flight
i wished i had the experience of grouping everything up and killing it after i got better gear. i just did that from level 1 as a mage getting gear just meant i was going to do it 2 seconds fast.
I don't play wow, I undertand 10% of the systems and talk, but i enjoy it, asmongold have talent for make it entretaining
I refused to get my Pandaria cloak simply because I thought it was stupid that we were forced to get it, but I still topped out minimum 3rd in the DPS almost every fight so I don't regret not getting the piece of cloth.
I loved my time in Legion but I started pretty late after most of the problems were in a better state, but I still swapped mains when my mage failed the get the ring for like three straight months and my Paladin got double bis like back to back on his first 2 legendaries. Guess I'm a paladin now!
I crave for a proper shaman tank spec so bad
I played legion with one character, one specc and it was great.
A resto druid from expansion start.
It was not that long until I had the legendaries I wanted.
Having to play different specs and alts would make it a pain for sure, but I enjoyed my best expansion.
I played fire mage and got the wrist as the very last item on the whole list. It was daunting at times so I can see why its so hated. Still it was by far my 3rd most loved expansion.
I wish blizzard would come out with challenging quests that reward you with a new powerful ability for your specific class that doesn't dissappear
I usually agree with him but rating MoPs godly class design as garbage is pure bullshi1t
I never got a single twilight devastation piece the whole last season of BFA
They should have keep every passive from legendary weapon, make a new talent tree out of that, expand on that with new azerite traits, and allow players to have a choice and customize their playstyle while keeping the actual talent system and having both
It's so simplified today that it became very boring
dude a corruption enchantment profession would be so cool
legion was insane. at the end of legion with lfr gear i could almost solo (few sec more to avoid berserk and get the kill) nythendra boss from 1st raid . while in wod with gear from final lfr 675 ilv (which was weaker than final honor gear 700(730 in pvp scaling)) there was no way to even solo mogishan vaults elegon mount run (hard gara jal boss and 1st boss) except few specs like ret or feral or prot warrior from all 12 classes. with item lv 700 honor gear it was easier
Every single expansion there's something they refuse to change until the last patch, and then the system finally works how we want it to when its too late. Legion legendaries ignored entire expansion until last patch you can get them with currency and its not complete RNG. BFA refuse to fix the RNG with getting twilight devastation and shit on gear until theres a couple weeks left and then make a vendor that solves all the issues, etc. There's like 50 examples. It's so annoying we continuously give them solutions during beta testing, it gets completely ignored and we're told we're wrong, everyone quits, and then they implement the solution that everyone came up with 14 months earlier.
Can you imagine if borrowed power was not actually borrowed but worked like professions do? as in youd get to strengthen this borrowed power for each expansion and whenever you did any raid from that specific expansion (idk make it so there is a weekly rotation of old content raid to farm free tokens or some shit), youd have this extra oomph for this specific week of farming just because you farmed whatever borrowed power was active at that that specific time frame or something idk i aint a game dev
Another major con to the Azerite powers was that you frequently had to do unrelated content to level up a bis piece. I remember having to do ass loads of pvp for one of my bis raid powers. I hate WoW pvp. A lot of pvpers had to farm pve. It was a bad system.
The system sucked but holy shit the powers were fun I don't think I've had more fun since them however getting them was a pain, especially on multiple characters so much so that it really wasn't worth it
Stat amps were the best thing to happen to WoW in a long time.
I never thought Legion was a special expansion.
seriously, all Blizzard had to do was continue forward with things that worked like Marks of Valor or glyphs
imagine if Legion legendaries or Shadowlands memories unlocked legendary glyph effects that you could swap any time in town
55:30 all those are available in Ascension wow :)
I really liked Draenor Perks outside of the fact that they only lasted for that expansion. I would have loved if they basically used it as an overhaul mechanism to make certain skills more fun and powerful as you got higher level and just let you keep them. Artifact Weapons in my opinion were also very fun outside of the terrible grind for artifact power. The way it made me feel was that I was investing my time and effort into an item that was iconic to my class and would stick with my character and become a part of their legend. The fact that they destroyed them all in the next expansion was what ultimately made me quit the game.
I agree about lack of class design in cata.. except with assassination rogues. Ass rogue in cata was as smooth as butter.
corruption was the one thing i dont really know how to feel about. sure they were strong but why is my char only really good with the stars.
I droppt a bis sword with stars 3 in the first id. i did hated on so much and this kinda made it no fun in the end ...
The person in his chat who said 40 renown was good enough is forgetting that you are missing half of your soul bind trees, and the capstone trait is huge for alot of specs.
ah yes..
Legendary April first hirumaredx video
the minor rant.. Oh the feels, so real.
If you could still lvl up borrowed power even when the content wasn’t relevant and still use it for the appropriate exp maybe it would be more fun. Like if I could jump on right now and head to the broken isle and still use the artifact weapons and lvl them up and do raids and dungeons as if it was current content that would be interesting
I agree with damn bear everything, only exception I saw was the shaman ghost wolf traits that literally made them invincible. Added nothing to game play value other than going afk and not worrying about death....but still valuable in PVP. Faster to switch and go ghost wolf than heal themselves......was nuts. And if you don't believe it watch CDEWs clip
I feel like what made "borrowed power' a meme and a bad term is not when they gave us temporary upgrades, but when they started taking shit we already had in our kits even through leveling, to put it in some shit new system later where you had to unlock it. Like Avenger's Shield cooldown resetting is now on some Shadowlands lego shit but it was a regular ass passive (or talent or something) in... I wanna say Lich King? Memory fuzzy.
I think the only issue with the way the game design evolved is a gradual movement away from pure creative passion oriented decisions towards more mental problem management oriented decisions. It started with a room full of geeks that just wanted to make something cool they wanted to play... and as a result of the success many more outside voices started to get involved.
The best exemple of borrowed power is the Tempest Keep weapons and the Ulduar buffs.
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My biggest problem with borrowed powers that they are borrowed. Good "borrowed" power which isn't forcibly taken away to give you another of the same, but which just stays and then naturally gets irrelevant because obtain more powerful one. Basically how tier sets or just any armor function. Imagine if every expansion with their systems existed at the same time. So you level up, you become stronger, get new abilities and... at lvl 50 you suddenly become weaker just because you power turned into a pumkin. How is that makes any sense? It works in Metroid because it's different games. But there we play one game with linear level progression, but with lvling up we become weaker. Bullshit.
As a paladin going into cataclysm I remember being furious that I had fucking combo points and savage roar. It stopped feeling like a paladin to me and I rerolled to warlock never looked back.
14:06 another big problem with Azerite gear is that you had to spend time farming Azerite Power and you couldn't feel it. Cool i just spent 24 hours farming the next level of my azerite gear and i deal a few extra dps.
The biggest complaints I heard was the grind and insane rng to get borrowed power. On top of that was also the face that a lot of specs felt garbage or empty until they got the borrowed power.
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Tbh this is making me excited for 10.0 - I feel like they can bring back the Heart of Azeroth necklace and literally just expand on it, rewarding players that played BFA
The reason people like the artifact system from legion now, is because we saw other systems to come and realized any problems with the artifact system were minor in comparison. It felt better, you felt the power gain and it didn't seem worthless each patch. Regardless of how much a grind it was, in the end I'd rather re-grind my artifact wep than do azorite or do anything in shadowlands.
I would add "borrowed power" has not only become a main grind,and very lengthy, but bliz has been using it to shore up flaws in class design or using it as a LARGE portion of player power. Old tier was a nice power bump and sometimes,(specific classes at specific times) it was a large portion of your output but it has become most of our power and no one likes that especially when a lot of it is RNG based power (procs). I feel borrowed power should be icing on the cake like the old days instead of the whole dang cake. But yeah sometimes it is fun but like this said acquisition time is a huge factor in hate. I'm in the group who hates that my classes feel absolutely awful in every way without the borrowed power.
got my best in slot lego third drop i remember like it was yesterday was doing random bg with guildie at 3am finish a eye of the storm boom bis lego felt so good
I miss Sephuz. Spriest with that ring was a level of fun that can probably never be achieved again
we shoulda just kept the artifacts, especially since we just copy/pasted the damn way to get rid of all that power. "drained all your power start over next time" then the next xpac we use azerite or anima to recharge the damn thing, and they have other weapons drop for xmog purposes or even for a "well i haven't leveled up my weapon this will be better for now" type of gameplay. even lets them tweak the system each time a bit because new power source unlocks new powers.
6:38 and in shadowlands you start off with your good covenant ability so no real reason to continue to grind as it doesn't become better with time.
Need cosmic and cosmic horror classes and specs. Give us an potion mixer and thrower
I made a warrior during cata when I watched Klinda do PvP.
I loved the reforging system we had, no idea why they removed it.
Watching this video I just realize how many different systems BFA had...This is actually crazy.
Just make the ap/renown/whatever grind for your borrowed power account wide. You grind lvl100 borrowed power all your alts and specs have it. Sort of like paragon in Diablo 3.
I liked artifacts, the only issue I had with them though is getting locked into 1 weapon type. I played MW monk and got locked to a staff and I always hated staves, I would much rather have a 1 hand weapon with off hand. Don't even get me started on WW monk getting locked to fist weapons. I hate fist weapons even more. I went from 2 samurai swords on my back to weapons I can't even see unless I pull them out and then they look terrible. The artifact traits were awesome though.
All of the "4th specs" are on private servers- vanilla+/turtlewow/ascension
Its not only getting stronger again that is fun, the novelty of a new game and new stuff is what also makes it fun. If not you could just replay the same game endlessly.
First leg I got was sephuz, it wasn't that bad, at least it had decent stats