Hardcore WoW Finalist Ziqo Reveals His Secret Strategy

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  • How Ziqo secretly prepared for the $100,000 Hardcore Tournament
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  • @TheDizzyPilot
    @TheDizzyPilot 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1208

    "Every time I saw a frost resist ring, I bought it, and deleted it." lmao

    • @TehRealRyan
      @TehRealRyan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      new to WoW, what does this mean?

    • @JaxonHaxon
      @JaxonHaxon 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +220

      @@TehRealRyan he was not only making sure to be geared to beat his opponents, **he was making sure they couldn't be geared to beat him** through trade

    • @Kredroth
      @Kredroth 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      9:15 :)

    • @DOSdaze
      @DOSdaze 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      @@TehRealRyan Ziqo casts a lot of frost spells, so people being able to buy frost resistance gear could help his competition. So Ziqo simply made fewer frost resist rings available to them.

    • @TehRealRyan
      @TehRealRyan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@DOSdaze thanks mate!

  • @Arkkimonni
    @Arkkimonni 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2767

    True classic experience. Build yourself to become a raid boss. Only to have all of it for nothing because a bug.

    • @marlowsmith615
      @marlowsmith615 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      all of that money wasted from buying gold

    • @nedbear1970
      @nedbear1970 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

      @@marlowsmith615 he won 6250 dollar and mosy likely got alot of gold from supporters

    • @AngelosRitter
      @AngelosRitter 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      @@nedbear1970 he said he did all this off stream and completely in the dark and he spent all his gold on this.

    • @one_bone_4_life647
      @one_bone_4_life647 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Common Blizzard

    • @robbieweld7928
      @robbieweld7928 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@AngelosRitter well all the secret resistance build stuff but he still leveled and did a bunch of other shit on stream

  • @designerwookiee
    @designerwookiee 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +621

    Well, I gotta hand it to Ziqo. He's got more passion, dedication, and commitment to the game than I've had in years, and I respect it. It sucks that the back-end of the game is held together with digital duct tape, so that hard work fell through in the test duels.

    • @timf6626
      @timf6626 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Also he got the biggest gold donation.. I mean passion

    • @chriseller6870
      @chriseller6870 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      he had more passion dedication and commitment to winning 50k, i doubt its to the game...but i mean when compared to a random designer wookie, yeah ur probably right

    • @SirPunch2Face
      @SirPunch2Face 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@timf6626 Lol, you must be one of those people who think they could beat him if only you had a flask, too. GTFO XD

    • @AbendscheinLGN
      @AbendscheinLGN 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He was also playing for $100k USD

    • @nicolajluttinenscheel4509
      @nicolajluttinenscheel4509 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@AbendscheinLGN but that is only possible because hes put so much free time and effort into becoming good enough to participate in a tournament where the prize 50-100k USD.

  • @LeonDeSilva
    @LeonDeSilva 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +140

    "Every time I saw a Frost Res ring I bought and deleted it" - Yup that's how you BE the game

  • @jb2760
    @jb2760 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    They should totally put a statue of this guy in black rock mountain holding a glimmering blue frost resist ring over the lava.

  • @T_White22
    @T_White22 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +468

    This made me so sad, man. He had such an amazing plan. He's a winner in my mind.

    • @andreassndergaard6889
      @andreassndergaard6889 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Only a true warrior puts this much dedication into his fights gotta love it😂❤

    • @youbetu18
      @youbetu18 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      i just dont understand why they dont test this with the wow client beforehand. you can have a local version of wow run on your pc and just assign items to you and try it out. why spend 100+hours to test something when you can just be a GM offline and try shit out in minutes...

    • @Thezftw
      @Thezftw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@youbetu18 Because they are not official clients (with official servers). Private servers have a whole slew of their own issues and the resist thing might even work differently.

    • @kevinfunk83
      @kevinfunk83 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      All that and the Sres didn’t even work. So sad. Imagine if he knew that it wouldn’t work and he had all that time to come up with a different plan. Not sure what plan but he’s Ziqo.

    • @vaels5682
      @vaels5682 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@youbetu18 that's not how that works at all

  • @ph4se2
    @ph4se2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +334

    If only I had a flask I could compete

    • @wallapee
      @wallapee 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      If everyone that entered the tournament got free carries/groups whenever they wanted and had unlimited gold i'd say it would have been more interesting

    • @thedubdoctor
      @thedubdoctor 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      @@wallapeewell, you’re wrong …

    • @gregcruz6517
      @gregcruz6517 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@wallapee high profile tournament, you'll have a name for yourself, and will have helpers. It's the fucking same in sports, football players have coach's and people that donate money so they can focus on THE GAME. This is high level.

    • @FruitsarmyTV
      @FruitsarmyTV 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A shadow resist flask 😂

    • @wallapee
      @wallapee 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thedubdoctor ok champ, explain how im wrong

  • @Ladaria_VoD
    @Ladaria_VoD 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +689

    I could swap characters with Ziqo and he still would beat me

    • @jasoncarnelian3325
      @jasoncarnelian3325 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

      Ziqo could turn his monitor off and still beat me

    • @JS310
      @JS310 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      This is the respect they deserve though. Not these people saying they only won coz of gold ffs

    • @miinyoo
      @miinyoo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yup. Same thing in EVE. Player skill (and 110% effort) destroys any stat.

    • @briomhar5229
      @briomhar5229 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nah bro. totally streamer advantage. Ziqo / Snuts are trash players. give me their accounts and i'd wipe the floor with them with my hands behind my back and whilst blind folded! 😃

    • @bjni
      @bjni 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      @@briomhar5229 oh shit is it THE briomhar5229 ? damn, yeah you would wipe them easy. not everyone can be a briomhar5229. big fan!

  • @aaronchristian745
    @aaronchristian745 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +164

    LOVE THE SUPPORT FOR ZIQO

  • @habeeb9293
    @habeeb9293 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +382

    I love the amount of sweat spilled in this tournament. Watching Ziqo’s journey was very entertaining.

    • @haqu123321
      @haqu123321 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      little sad your average joe couldn't compete, even if you were as skilled, the streamer bennies were way to out of hand, everyone in the finals had thousands of G gifted to them, mats and consumables. I hope the next tounrey is a solo self found only, with a debuff that enforces SSF so we can have an actually fair tourney for everyone

    • @Iomtuu
      @Iomtuu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@haqu123321 the average joe wouldnt have won anyway do you think any random player can win Pshero Ziqo or Snutz if it was pure skill ? sure dude

    • @jujubee4249
      @jujubee4249 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wonder why he didn't still try to sheep and melee the pet. I wonder if that would have worked. He had all the AP still.

    • @Diavolo222
      @Diavolo222 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love how people always invoke this random joe who is a god at the game but can only play one hour a day. My dude all insane players have ways to gear and get what they need. The best players are the ones that have always been among the best. There's no hidden talent being kept away because streamer privilage.@@haqu123321

    • @slaayerr1
      @slaayerr1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@IomtuuI think what they mean is that they didn't even have a chance to compete because there were basically jobless individuals that were being boosted by multiple other characters. Nobody with normal jobs would be able to compete, let alone even try to fight in the duels

  • @levivass
    @levivass 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +212

    Mad respect for Ziqo dude this is impressive

    • @papercutzwow
      @papercutzwow หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah mad respect for ziqo using RMT to pay off a top guild to give him 2-3k gold and a power level boost and get carried through dungeons. Impressive stuff.

  • @Chakeis
    @Chakeis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +410

    Thanks blizzard for robbing us of this potentially incredible fight.

    • @greentoby26
      @greentoby26 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Yeah, the game would be so much better without Blizzard

    • @XirevWoW
      @XirevWoW 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      One of the reasons Blizzard gave for not wanting to release classic initially was that there would be a lot of bugs that would probably not get fixed and that retail was a much more polished game

    • @ninehills42
      @ninehills42 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@XirevWoW This was not a bug though. Don't believe everything a streamer says. He was uninformed, and thats why he lost. If he knew how warlock worked in classic, he would have never chosen mage for a 1v1 tournament where you can use anything.

    • @gandulfnopls7834
      @gandulfnopls7834 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

      @@ninehills42 with ur absurd logic and room temperature iq take everyone should've chosen warlock

    • @XirevWoW
      @XirevWoW 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@ninehills42 I’m responding to people saying it’s Blizzards fault this happened, but they specifically said this was going to happen when they were hesitant on releasing it. Bug or counterintuitive interaction, it’s part of what Classic is, a game that was still growing

  • @jarzota
    @jarzota 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    that's insane theory crafting. I'm sure most of the people that went into the tournament were thinking of mechanical play improvements. Ziqo was thinking down right to the numbers on his gear stats. set for a different class

    • @Nahnono
      @Nahnono 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      a lot of them were wearing resistance gear, they showed before every duel

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And most that had it just dropped like a stone vs the Shadow priests, that is why they just face tanked melee with resist gear, but ran from others in normal dmg.

    • @Telarius
      @Telarius 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Trust me. Nobody is caring about mechanical play improvements in such a simple xpac like classic/tbc. Most specs are like 3 buttons. There's no mechanical skill really. Especially for r1 players competing. It's more about cheese

  • @xristo9329
    @xristo9329 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Blizzard and Resistances issues ... name a better combo lol

    • @AngelosRitter
      @AngelosRitter 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      blizzard and storages

    • @xristo9329
      @xristo9329 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      touche my friend... touche lol@@AngelosRitter

    • @greentoby26
      @greentoby26 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      asmon and sweaty losers

    • @AmideusTV
      @AmideusTV 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Working entirely as intended. Players misunderstanding and misremembering how things worked in vanilla and blaming it on bugs, name a better combo.

    • @Maturin24
      @Maturin24 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Blizzard management and breast milk ....

  • @I3LaCkPeArL
    @I3LaCkPeArL 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    The hardcore tournament was probably the most intense QA / testing ever done to behind the scenes mechanics.

  • @mvahonk
    @mvahonk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +201

    I feel like if the "become a raid boss and just beat the fkin dog to death with a stick" strat had worked, it would have become one of the biggest moments of WoW if not video game history in general. The tournament was obviously amazing and will go down in history anyway, but if this shit had worked, I think it would have been on such a different level, like Evo Moment 37 levels of notoriety. At least for WoW players. What a giant fucking shame we got robbed of this by a bug. Sadge.

    • @Lokipower
      @Lokipower 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Definitely would have been a historical moment, at the pinnacle of a huge duel to the death tournament. Robbed of his win by Blizzard's clown code. JUSTICE FOR ZIQO!!!

    • @nekissx8123
      @nekissx8123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Chill wow is dead game for boomers ain't no way wow will ever make best world gaming moments ever again

    • @bencze465
      @bencze465 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@nekissx8123Dead? After almost 20 years it's still in the top most played MMOs in 2023. There is literally no other that would even come close.

    • @kirerunte1046
      @kirerunte1046 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@bencze465 people play garbage so it doesn't matter, gaming died after the ps2

    • @Khaostheory1980
      @Khaostheory1980 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@kirerunte1046reality disagrees 😂😂

  • @imalivex
    @imalivex 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    If you google "How do resists work in Classic WoW" it's all explained and it's not how people generally think they work in later expansions like TBC and Wrath.

  • @vphrism8435
    @vphrism8435 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    Ziqo really took notes from that paladin mak'gora duel

    • @SonofManWOW
      @SonofManWOW 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Pallytime is a G

  • @MrDCHun
    @MrDCHun 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    The fact that shadow res is bugged in Classic only reinforces the idea that Blizz knew what they were doing when they introduced the Warlock class. No one was going to win besides Snutz.

    • @tist203
      @tist203 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah you barely saw anything get resisted by the lock now that you think about it. That on top of being incredibly tanky, heals and a pet that removes people buffs.. yeah warlock is broken

    • @AmideusTV
      @AmideusTV 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Resistance is not bugged, people just don't understand how it works because in 2004 no one could get under the hood. Everything discussed in the video as a "bug" is entirely working as intended and as it was back in the day.
      non-damaging spells get resisted extremely well, which damaging spells don't because it's not resistance its HIT. It's an attack table, much like a melee one. Spell School Resistance DOES NOT AFFECT spell damage hits. (and spell hit doesn't affect spell resistance, that's why spell pen exists.)
      Because some spells like Mana Burn are wonky and include a damage portion as well as what most players would call a non-damaging function, it's more a situation of what the spell was coded as, and it's clearly coded as a damaging spell.
      The simple fact of the matter is that dot based classes get a lot of benefit since their damage is dealt over time, since spell damage is based entirely on time. Dots have more protection because they are unrealized gains that can be removed and dispelled before their damage is dealt.

    • @vandamq8
      @vandamq8 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      not only warlocks are strong as hell , snutz is way too good at the game its like insanely hard to win against i remember old days on retail trying to learn playing warlocks from snutz i couldn't keep up he was way too good playing affli keeping dots on 3 players while using pet to silence and fear

    • @Rayzan1000
      @Rayzan1000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AmideusTV You don't seem to have any clue on how programming works, because that makes no sense in a programming context. Any senior architect would be heavily criticised for coming up with a model like that.
      What is likely happening here is that the chance of resisting and hitting a spell is calculated together. So once a dot has been successfully applied, each individual thick can at most only be partially resisted on damage.
      Furthermore, there's a good chance that each school of magic has its own method for calculating resistance. It's a common practice in programming to group based on a common unity, but it means each school of magic might behave a little different.

    • @AmideusTV
      @AmideusTV หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Rayzan1000 It's ok to admit that you are wrong and do not know what you are talking about. Word salading speculation when we KNOW how spell hit and spell resistance works doesn't make you sound smarter. Neither does making without evidence or basis the claim that "Developers would never do that" when in fact they did. Just like a developer would NEVER design something like a debuff cap that just drops a debuff off the end because the game cannot handle tracking more than 8 debuffs at one time so it just pushes it off the stack.
      WoW vanilla is HISTORICALLY known for shortcuts, poor programming decisions, and a lot of other issues including inconsistently applied metrics.
      Ultimately it's pretty simple. Spells with a damage component use spell hit to determine whether or not the spell actually lands, and they use spell resistance to determine damage dealt. For spells that do not have a damage component, spell resistance is used.

  • @ANTONFIXER
    @ANTONFIXER 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Its good that we have that guy on our humanity side. Not some evil alien side. I hope.

  • @michalotto5444
    @michalotto5444 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Now that is dedication and that is why he is one of the best in the world in WoW PvP. I wish Snutse would make a video like this two. So people could see his journey to the final as well. I am sure he also did some of the same farming stuff as Ziqo. It was so interesting to watch and see the whole strategy unfold.

  • @ginoh007
    @ginoh007 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Resistances got changed allot during earlier vanilla patches around the era that it also had effects like shadow weakness that increased damage taken based on negative resistance, before that patch most dueling warlock always played succubus trying to 1 shot people with shadowbolt that could hit upto like 10-12k sometimes.

    • @xMrPaintxx
      @xMrPaintxx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I ran a gnome warlock in vanilla.... He had over a year of in game played time lol... Succubus was good for melee classes, the hound was where it was at for casters.... That spell lock if landed during a cast was broken AF... And then you add in howl of terror, fear and death coil and you can CC most classes while dots do the work with occasional nightfall proc 😂

  • @johnhammond6225
    @johnhammond6225 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    This is honestly awesome to see. This is like the superbowl to these guys. The level of prep is insane. I couldn't imagine putting in all that work only to realize the game is broken so your strat is as well.

    • @DW-lx9wt
      @DW-lx9wt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      not like, this IS a pro sport for them. this is what is meant by true min maxing that every single Blizz competitor goes through. people, like that Redditor, just dont understand the levels you have to go through just to even compete. skill is only 70% of it. you have to think about everything. when there was less resources back in the day these guys were still going to extremes and trying everything out to be the best. everything was thoroughly thought through. treid and tested and tried and tested again. everything that could be controlled, besides RNG, was.

    • @DW-lx9wt
      @DW-lx9wt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      your comment is great, btw. nice one.

  • @drawrj
    @drawrj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    In Vanilla, the dot tick was exactly like he is showing. If first didnt have a resist/partial resist the full duration doesnt have any resist. If the first has a resist, the full dot tick will have some resist.

    • @JoelPhone
      @JoelPhone 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Makes me wonder if this was part of why they removed it. An aspect that wasn't really liked which needed a large overhaul. Just killed it instead

  • @chrismcaulay7805
    @chrismcaulay7805 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    That is how it was back in the day. I did ALOT of pvp back in vanilla, and the saying was "DoTs dont resist". And what they meant by that was that resistance did so little vs DoTs that it wasnt worth having resist gear.

    • @aaronmurphy1007
      @aaronmurphy1007 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @chrismcaulay7805 This exactly.

  • @dustinfidalgo915
    @dustinfidalgo915 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It would be interesting to see if Frost resist gear also has that problem or if it actually works. Meaning Ziqo was at an even bigger disadvantage

  • @iamgalaxies
    @iamgalaxies 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Man I love Ziqo. Watching him get ready for the tourney was truly insane!

  • @wesguitarguy9536
    @wesguitarguy9536 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That is the craziest amount of effort for nothing I have ever seen. Fucking brutal.

  • @michaelmoran2125
    @michaelmoran2125 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The dot math checks out with dot math at the time. Snapshot math means it's all rolled out at the beginning and then reiterated over time.

  • @galdienfrean
    @galdienfrean 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I'm pretty sure it's a dot thing and not necessarily a shadow thing. I also feel like it's always been that way prior to cataclysm. If you hit max dmg on first tick of a dot, the other ticks do full dmg as well.

    • @bryanstrongwind7020
      @bryanstrongwind7020 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      what a weird DoT, it's just lump dmg but delayed. Not dmg in distinct parts.

  • @JohnSmith-pj6wb
    @JohnSmith-pj6wb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    ziqo should have won the tourney...if he knew this was a bad strat cuz of the bug he wouldnt have wasted all that time on that and would have used his time for another strat and would have won...or if this strat worked as intended he would have won
    blizzard screwed this guy..this dude is smart and deserved it man damn...well we know who the number 1 is

    • @Accelerate55
      @Accelerate55 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      No.
      He lost to Snutz in 2019, and lost to him again. This wasn’t just a “bug”. Snutz is simply better.

    • @Lokipower
      @Lokipower 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In some alternate universe, shadow resistance worked and they got the Finals we deserved o7

    • @ZodaSoda
      @ZodaSoda 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Lokipower By that logic Frost resistance wouldnt be as shit as it is either and Mage woulda had a much harder time against all other classes.

    • @KingJerbear
      @KingJerbear 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Accelerate55 This is a hard cope comment which fits perfectly considering you are simping for a hard counter matchup. Go ask Snutz yourself if he won against Ziqo cause he is "simply better."

    • @Accelerate55
      @Accelerate55 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@KingJerbear considering Snutz is a professional e-sports player since he was a kid, I would argue that you are simping for Ziqo, who has at best done arenas competitively.
      Ziqo didn’t get a single polymorph off and got kited perfectly lol, don’t give me some nonsense shadow resistance response please.
      I don’t think I’m the one coping here.

  • @rianeagan2693
    @rianeagan2693 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I wonder if we will get black rock depths raid when they raise the cap to like 50 or something

  • @Cnith
    @Cnith 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    This video is dripping with second hand sweat. I'm extremely impressed by this dedication (of course boosted by the prospect of a potential 50K).
    Extremely sad that what looks like a bug or at least a weird design decision F'd Ziqo.

  • @silversurfer8818
    @silversurfer8818 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Does the resistance work in raid instance or BGs? I do recall certain buggs that only occured in-world but not instanced locations.

  • @Kelberoth
    @Kelberoth 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    mana burn was like that at the time, when black temple was releasing it was really easy to acquire full shadow res gear so it was common to play it vs shadowplay and such and basically the priest would have to just burn because it would burn the mana normally. Think you can see it in a swarms video

  • @justind7211
    @justind7211 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Soul crushing. This is WoW in a nutshell

  • @blacksunshine9995
    @blacksunshine9995 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    His time invested into farming all that gear wasn't for nothing. At least now everyone knows that it's pointless now and this strategy is completely off the table going forward.

  • @chrischarles9218
    @chrischarles9218 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I would really like to hear from the Devs on this.

  • @Rothgardius
    @Rothgardius 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember something like this. Back in the day I recall a talk about how the initial dot tick determines the rest of the ticks (whether or not you'll be resisting)

  • @montanac223344
    @montanac223344 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's amazing. I love this clever, niche shit you can do in classic so much. I really really hope that the next classic season takes this type of mentality into account. I wish shadow res wasn't bugged I would have looooved to see if his Melee mage had worked in the fuuuckin finals. That would have been legendary

  • @Amaru510
    @Amaru510 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Ziqo is a great story teller, Don't believe me go watch his t3 story had me in tears

  • @nickelrider
    @nickelrider 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    bros. I have had horrible depression for the last 2 years. After raiding for 10 years and giving it up for being an adult.. Finding this community has been life changing. Thank you Baldie. Thank you Ziqo. And everyone who makes this community.

    • @MotivationLarry
      @MotivationLarry 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Hope you’re doing good bro ❤️

    • @Carbanium
      @Carbanium 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Keep your head up brother! This shit will pass and you will be a gigga chad soon enough!

    • @Xeando
      @Xeando 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ❤❤❤

  • @Xengard
    @Xengard 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Its amazing how spell resists are the most important stats in vanilla and even pros still dont know how they work

  • @hydenshribby
    @hydenshribby 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Shadow Resist DID work in Vanilla, I was in a guild that cleared AQ40 and there were these bosses before C'thun and one of them did shadow damage and warlocks tanked them with shadow resi gear as far as I can remember.

    • @issolol
      @issolol 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it did in normal classic and 2019, but they fucked up in tbc, when they made some resist changes, same with rogue and cheap shot/poison

  • @tabby842
    @tabby842 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    It's stuff like this that's magic in mmos, even if it didn't work out for him. Having a super specific strategy, that requires super specific components, from some random acquisition process, for your own specific usecase always brought me the most joy. Can you do this in retail? Or is everything so streamlined now that 'off-meta' gear and components are purged from the game?

    • @legendarydragoon
      @legendarydragoon 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Totally agree! As a game dev myself, it's reasons like this that I do not like the idea of overly streamlining stats or classes and abilities. To me half the fun is trying something crazy and trying to "break" the game. Obviously you try to avoid something being stupidly OP, but I don't mind when something is OP in a certain niche, especially if the player has to put work in to pull it off.

    • @prevg3951
      @prevg3951 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Check out old school runescape ;)

  • @primecoconut4204
    @primecoconut4204 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    even though I have no experience in playing WoW, I still respect Ziqo for the time he sacrificed, dedication and sheer fuckin' will in his grind despite looking he did that all for nothing due to some bug.
    That's a true gamer right there

  • @Eggo5150
    @Eggo5150 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In vanilla i did the same thing Ziqo did, except with runecloth and mageweave. The OG, very first AQ opening event. The supply turn ins were the only way to gain rep with other factions past doing all the quests. There were no cloth turn ins back then. So exalted was impossible until the AQ supply turn ins. I made bandages for hours on end and turned them in on my UD mage, from cloth i farmed on my NE hunter in BWL gear. Had a raptor mount before i could even train to ride it. Probably one of the first ever at the time. Lightnings Blade.

  • @MrLapin85
    @MrLapin85 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We did the same in arenas in TBC back in the days, when you could switch gear before they removed it. Was awsome vs all spriest/lock combos.

  • @izbad7482
    @izbad7482 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    The best month long prep he could have done would have been leveling a Warlock.

    • @mcrbelieve3923
      @mcrbelieve3923 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He was probably not confident in being able to beat the best players playing a warlock

    • @jowest3867
      @jowest3867 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I doubt that would have been as entertaining and he is unlikely to beat snutz lock vs lock anyway.

    • @conceitedxo
      @conceitedxo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mcrbelieve3923 i think he couldve beat em all even as warlock, but against snutz the issue wouldve been the same

  • @Shiirow
    @Shiirow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "300 of nothing is still nothing" - Shadow Resistance

  • @glcorreia
    @glcorreia 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a hero this guy is. Also being able to do this in classic was just insane

  • @litterbox2010
    @litterbox2010 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    He should have won IMO.
    It was so close, if the gear worked he would have wiped the floor with that lock. I was wondering wtf why is his shadow res gear not making this a cake walk?

    • @slicplaya
      @slicplaya 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Don’t discount the lock. Snutz is multi glad r1 player too lol😂

    • @Kahez
      @Kahez 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      brother even he admited that he would probably still lose if it worked, he was agaisn't one of the best warlocks in the world and warlock has such a massive advantage over mage it's not even close.

  • @Floyd1138
    @Floyd1138 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    i never realized wow was just club penguin crossed with candy crush

  • @deltor5849
    @deltor5849 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "thats just the way it is"

  • @grumpykitten4890
    @grumpykitten4890 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My dude almost turned into an actual shadow.

  • @Lukas-qh4zz
    @Lukas-qh4zz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It is obviously a bug. The default values for the resistors for dots will probably be 0. If the spell resists completely, it will simply not be changed. This is certainly not intended

  • @thexenobunny
    @thexenobunny 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The grin we all got when he said, "every time I saw a frost resistance ring on the Auction House I bought it and deleted it."

  • @ricostreit1080
    @ricostreit1080 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    actual FUN to watch displaying his strat! really nice !

  • @solidusraiden2502
    @solidusraiden2502 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    shadow resist did actually work in classic i used it as a druid to beat warlocks and spriests in duels. era or whatever patches happened after seems to have changed things.

  • @TH-dg2mm
    @TH-dg2mm 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is the level of gaming sweatiness I live for tbh.

  • @justanassassin
    @justanassassin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Reminds me of when Technoblade did his potato war video. These kinds of people are insane, but Technoblade also considered disrupting his rival's REM sleep too so idk who to be more scared of

    • @rosemorningstar5368
      @rosemorningstar5368 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol that’s some real mental warfare. xD How was he going to do that?

    • @justanassassin
      @justanassassin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rosemorningstar5368 he mentioned in his final video that he had bribed a mod to get access to his rival's discord. He also set up a bot to notify him when his rival went to bed by tracking his alt accounts and his sleep schedule to a degree that he knew when his rival went to bed and when he would enter REM sleep.
      Techno also formed a guild from different timezones to consistently have a buff on his island and used alts with debuffs to break into his rival's island and sabotage him

  • @Zach_Bynx
    @Zach_Bynx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The application part is wrong, but the ticks not partially is right. That was TBC.

  • @bassbeatsonepieceo1189
    @bassbeatsonepieceo1189 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That’s actually insane

  • @Dentom1987
    @Dentom1987 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Lmao those idiots on Reddit complaining it was pre planned for him to win.
    All of the planning he did in this video was just to be able to beat Snutz , the other people wherent even in his eyes and league lmao.
    What a legend

  • @jessesandburg
    @jessesandburg 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Ziqo is an absolute nut case and I'm here for it.

  • @07ce7
    @07ce7 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's not a bug. That's how resistance work against dots.

  • @steveellefsen5662
    @steveellefsen5662 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    His dedication is incredibly admirable

  • @darcraven2496
    @darcraven2496 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The blood, sweat, and tears I would think, go Ziqo go.

  • @matstornros7231
    @matstornros7231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    In vanilla/classic, DoTs only resisted 10% of what other spells would. So with capped shadow resistance you would resist shadow dots 7.5% of the time instead of 75%. Whether this is a bug or an undocumented feature is unclear...

    • @calsonis
      @calsonis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That’s the reason why Asmongold always says Warlocks are from another planet and you can’t beat them.

    • @AmideusTV
      @AmideusTV 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That's not entirely accurate. Resistances work on a spectrum in Vanilla.
      Non damaging effects are either resisted or not. Since there's no values to affect, it's a binary of all or nothing. Silence, Fear, Shadow Weaving all fall under this category.
      For damaging spells it's a bit different. Since damaging spells have a value component that can be adjusted, rather than fully resisting the damage from a spell due to resistance you only resist the damage portion as a partial resist. Because a full resist of a damaging spell is a miss, NOT a resist (attack tables weren't just for melee, spells worked off the same concept too). It's why you typically resist spells from lower level enemies easier, because it's the attack table for spells doing that work NOT resistance.
      DOTs work off the EXACT same function as other damaging spells with one caveat. They are really, really big. The base damage and scaling of a DoT is one of the highest in the entire game, because the damage is dealt over a period of time. All spells work off this basic principle of time versus damage value, and since most dots work off the 16 second or 24 second value, they have to be WORTH the cast for that time. That said, all the game sees when you cast a dot is a single instance of a spell that does X damage.
      Because of this, the resistance portion of the roll is applied at dot application. You don't get a new chance at resist each time the dot deals it's damage, you only get to resist the first time it's cast on you for the full duration of the spell. (which if you think about it in terms of the resistance protecting you from the spell itself, makes a lot of sense from RP standpoint. You are resisting the spell on cast, not on damage. Once afflicted you're afflicted.)
      Now, because of the protections afforded to dots due to their damage being delayed the formula is also applied at a lower rate than other spells too, and resistances are less impactful against the spell. I don't believe that it's a 10% effective rate, but it is applied to the formula at a lesser rate.
      Essentially dots get more benefit from damaging effects due to the way the coefficient works, and less impact from resistance all because the damage is realized over time rather than all at once as a balancing tool, since everything about spells and damage is based on time.

    • @matstornros7231
      @matstornros7231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@AmideusTV This is an extremely long post that completely misses the point. The functioning of spell hit and the scaling of spellpower on Dots is very well understood and is not the issue here. If Dots were simply counted as a damage spell, we would see substantial partial resists, but that's not what happens. Blizzard has explicitly said that until a patch in 2017 during TBC, DoTs were only resisted at 1/10 of the normal resist rate, and that is what is screwing Ziqo here.

    • @pyrojkl
      @pyrojkl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@matstornros7231 thanks for the clarification

    • @leonkennedy9739
      @leonkennedy9739 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@matstornros7231 a fellow patch note enjoyer. Yeah everty unbalanced cheese looks intentional until the devs put out patch notes that say basically this works nothing like we intended.
      And players that abuse that cheese will defend it to the death.

  • @liberatumplox625
    @liberatumplox625 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Gratz to the people in the alternate universe in which his plan worked.

  • @westsidewarfare3535
    @westsidewarfare3535 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This guy was playing 10 years ahead of everyone else.

  • @MB-vk8cv
    @MB-vk8cv 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Youll have 25% against frost res because your frost spells are direct damage. Dots are not direct damage.

  • @figgypudding6277
    @figgypudding6277 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    My only issue with the entire competiton was the ability to trade, the real tournament will be when its ssf. This other shit was pathetic but entertaining.

    • @Shizuka0490
      @Shizuka0490 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      you can still trade at 60

    • @figgypudding6277
      @figgypudding6277 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Shizuka0490 more so the leveling is where that matters, I truly think a lot of the people in the tournament would not have legitimately achieved 60 In their timeframe without handouts/ rmt

    • @tommystizzle6560
      @tommystizzle6560 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea, they’re all pretty garbage at the game

    • @Shizuka0490
      @Shizuka0490 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@figgypudding6277 even in ssf you can get boosted its not going to change anything other than make it even harder for people who arent household names

    • @Shizuka0490
      @Shizuka0490 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tommystizzle6560 so your one of the people who believe with all things equalized you can beat snutz or ziqo? xD

  • @ADhammer
    @ADhammer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    SBF dig was absolutely savage 😂

  • @benellis8844
    @benellis8844 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This tournament will go down in history. It showed the true sweat and skill of the finalists.
    These two dudes are legends. I wish the bug didn't happen because then it would have been amazing duel.

  • @TheGrzB
    @TheGrzB 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Now we know what system inspired Diablo 4 with resistance implementation 🤣

  • @Carnagelolpvp
    @Carnagelolpvp 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It would have worked. if things worked as intended.

  • @brucey5585
    @brucey5585 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Damn that is real dedication and preparation. Holy shit.

  • @caleb4682
    @caleb4682 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    he really worked for that win. good for him

  • @LittleCarmenPlays
    @LittleCarmenPlays 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Ziqo earns everyones respect

  • @Barimur
    @Barimur 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Thats crazy,ziqo is a WoW god,this guy deserves a statue ingame😂

  • @Spammit-ye4vw
    @Spammit-ye4vw 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    9:45 when you said "he's playing the whole game" i was laughing, literally said "full court defence" lmfaooo

  • @shiniesglitters5424
    @shiniesglitters5424 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never played classic, but I played vanilla. I remember for pvp resistance not working on dot ticks, but on the initial dot application. SO once a dot is successfully applied you weren't able to resist the ticks.

  • @1ButtonDash
    @1ButtonDash 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    this is kinda inspiring. Gonna download classic and play SoD when that comes out for sure

    • @wadeprochaska2714
      @wadeprochaska2714 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You’re gunna be waiting forever mate

    • @1ButtonDash
      @1ButtonDash 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@wadeprochaska2714 what you mean? It comes out Nov 30th bro

    • @Accelerate55
      @Accelerate55 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      TF is sol

    • @Therealpro2
      @Therealpro2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Accelerate55 he means sod(omite)

    • @1ButtonDash
      @1ButtonDash 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Accelerate55 I meant Season of Discovery.. for some reason I was thinkin it was called season of legacy lol

  • @dosmatrix4470
    @dosmatrix4470 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Give 99.9% of players Ziqos gear and consumables, prep etc and he would still smash you into the dirt.

    • @Zhyriaa
      @Zhyriaa 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup but as in every competition, no need for 10 people to defeat you, only the 0.01 and the bag is lost

  • @EternallyGod
    @EternallyGod 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It used to work like that back in the day....people tried stacking res gear in wsg to run flags for awhile but it did nothing like he found out.

  • @dodde216
    @dodde216 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    also the dot damage seems to be off, mindblast and mana burn did like 75% less damage, but dots only do like 25% less dmg

  • @Illiadofmalorne
    @Illiadofmalorne 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    So yeah they werent going to beat this guy, but even if they could, he had gold bought and community gifted well past them anyways. The absurd amount of gold he had to game the market was insane. How much did he spend on frost rings? 5k? more?

    • @brlskull42
      @brlskull42 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      streamers winning in a streamer event ppl be like 😢😢😢

    • @Leon-pj8oc
      @Leon-pj8oc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@phillipbotter6470dam you really did not even watch the video

  • @JamesShelnutt2
    @JamesShelnutt2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    yeah back in the day, and maybe even today, you could not trade items between horde and alliance - however, there was a neutral auction house in Booty Bay (and maybe other places) where I could auction stuff from my horde character and buy it from my alliance character. it was risky so you had to do it fast and at high price to keep others from sniping the item. But I did it several times without problems.

  • @edluke3415
    @edluke3415 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the shadow resistance bug came from when they nerfed negative resists, holy resistance was also bugged and was either a flat out resist or a complete hit.

  • @deathstr1ker6666
    @deathstr1ker6666 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would have loved to have seen the duel like that, and I would have been laughing my ass off the whole time.

  • @CS-ft6by
    @CS-ft6by 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Man, I only just 'liked' Ziqo. But after seeing his FireStar twitch alert. I fucking love this guy haha.

  • @DONTHURTMELOL
    @DONTHURTMELOL 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Maybe Ziqo is an international criminal, and we just dont know about it. lol

  • @Blackrain707
    @Blackrain707 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best case of "the best offense is a good defense".

  • @billymanilli
    @billymanilli 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The resists should work opposite of +spell power ...( like it should scale with the cast time of the spell.) Faster cast should = a higher level of resistance, imho

  • @ImpactedWhisper
    @ImpactedWhisper 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    So basically what you're saying is Ziqo would've won had the game not been bugged? Ouch

  • @Slashoom
    @Slashoom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I implemented the same strategy and got the stygian patterns early. I power leveled tailoring in the final hours to finish my SR set. In the 3rd round, I lost a mirror match to another spriest and knew my set was scuffed. Unfortunate.

  • @kael92
    @kael92 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    insane extra content, was so interesting

  • @mass-cp6jf
    @mass-cp6jf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    this is how it always worked or else everyone would just stack resistance gear for everything. lol

    • @mass-cp6jf
      @mass-cp6jf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Naeinsengimnidayeah I call BS

  • @paulos9900
    @paulos9900 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I farmed UBRS for that resist helm for so long back in original vanilla.... I was after the nature resist version for Princess Huhuran in AQ40.