I love love love Rose’s reaction when she thought Samson had really dropped the letter. Mary on the other hand seemed to understand what her father really meant.
After WWI so many royal families lost their position that he wasn’t required to marry a princess in any case (if had been a requirement for the princes prior WWI). But he really did go to opposite extreme in terms of who was thought suitable.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 As long as he had the approval of the Monarch and their office, a prince and/or princess could marry anyone. The current monarch had to navigate the waters when the court disapproved of Phillip due to his German & Russian relations. Smooth marriage approvals didn't start back up until the Queen's children started getting married.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 There are still to this day "princes" and "princesses" who carry royal titles and live in their family's castles who are not "reigning" royals, but keep the titles as honorifics.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 I think what they’re talking about is the “married a twice divorced nazi sympathizing American commoner, which got him forced off the throne and all but exiled for the rest of his life” part of his life, not just the marriage requirements of the British aristocracy.
Bates. He's a good guy who can be a very bad guy with good intentions. I loved that he's a gentleman's gentleman with the forging & pickpocketing talent.
It's a bummer they left out all the scenes with Bates doing the forgeries. He was the real hero of the incident even before he grabbed the note out of the coat.
They match up so well because they're going off of history. He was always a party-boy and a womanizer, and had multiple affairs before he was crowned, plenty of which were with already married women. Freda Dudley Wallace, who was mentioned here, but also Thelma Furness and Wallis Simpson.
George the fifth always thought his oldest son was a liability, which was why he was so hard on his younger son, the Queen's father, because he thought he would have to be a real spare, which he later was.
Aye. At some point before he died, George V said of Edward, "After I am dead, the boy will ruin himself in twelve months." His Majesty would be more right that he knew...Edward reigned as king for only 326 days.
@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co He seems to have gone easier on the girls though. It is well-known that he dotted on his granddaughter Elizabeth (as in the current queen).
Exactly. George V said that Prince David would be ruined as king within a year. Edward VIII only lasted 11 months. Read up on what Tommy Lascelles wrote about his experience with the young Prince of Wales. The royal family was horrified that he nearly turned the UK 🇬🇧 into a republic like their Russian and German cousins.
Lovely line from the dowager countess, " I feel like a charector in a whodunnit", because Dame Maggie Smith was in Gosford Park written by Downton Abbey's creator.
She was also in the comic-parody "Murder by Death", many years earlier, in which she was one of a number of guests in a whodunnit. So funny, and had one of her lines that she repeated many years later in Sister Act. th-cam.com/video/vtso4moSkGk/w-d-xo.html
Wonderful acting - wonderful story lines - love the costumes - and I most certainly love the ENGLISHNESS OF IT ALL. Simply gorgeous and witty men women and their roles in this outstanding Series. Thank you all so much.
@@cyrilmauras4247It wasn't in the coat. It was in the inside breast pocket of his jacket, which Bates got into when helping him put on the overcoat. Bates' "There you are, sir," got him to look up so he wouldn't see the move.
@@moonlightfitzThe Abdication Crisis. The Prince of Wales became King Edward VIII at the start of the year and in December 1936 he announced he wanted to marry his mistress Wallis Simpson who was a married to industrialist Ernest Simpson. The establishment could not countenance the idea of the King being married to a twice divorced woman (as she would have to be to marry the King). The King abdicated the throne and married Wallis Simpson in 1937.
@@DavidJCane Right. Moreover, Wallis Simpson's unacceptability as "Queen" (even a Morganatic one) wasn't "just" that Wallis Simpson would be/was a TWICE-divorced ("strikes 1 and 2,") FOREIGN "COMMONER" ("strike 3") ... it was that The King was also the HEAD of the Church of England -- within that faith discipline "ranking" below only God Himself. Edward VIII could not credibly lead his Church under those distasteful circumstances ... which is why the "Old Guard" monarchists were so upset by Edward VIII's actions and choices. The irony in real history is that -- even "IF" somehow a compromise could have been brokered such that Edward VIII could have both remained on the British throne AND married Wallis Simpson -- Queen Elizabeth II STILL would have eventually ascended to the throne assuming NO OTHER changes occurred in history (albeit as a middle-aged woman in the 1970s after the Duke of Windsor [who never had children] died). But here's another truth: if Edward VIII had remained on the throne, it's quite possible Nazi Germany would have won WW II long before the U.S. even got involved, and in turn, it's possible the British Monarchy would have faded away and become irrelevant before Elizabeth II even had the chance to ascend to the throne.
Again, Robert reacts and 'erupts' and stomps out of the room! He either stands up nd goes to another part of room or does the march out and slam door thing! It would be fun to see a short video of these compiled together!
I feel bad about Harold because you can see that he's traumatized from past relationship, where people are only interested on him because of his money. He's reluctant to get to know any girl because they come with strings attached.
I don’t see any pathos in Harold. Everyone has had bad experiences with past relationships. A rich man is always plagued by the fear that a woman (or man!) marries him only because of his wallet. To allay this anxiety the rich tend to marry those who have just as much if not more money than they do. Harold is a cynic; it’s his choice to have a jaundiced view of life and the motives of those around him.
"a happy ending for the prince, a crisis for the monarchy has been averted, although given his character i wonder if we won't see another before he's finished" WELL NOW YOU SEE ABOUT THAT.......
Am I only one who thought it was crazy hot when Bates picked that letter out of Sampson's pocket? I also love how Lady Mary understands the true meaning of the letter being "dropped"
@4:52 That poor man. He'd be horrified to learn that HRH Prince Edward was going to marry Wallis Simpson. That would have possibly given him a heart attack.
Robert: “The fact is, this family is responsible for the whole ghastly debacle.” I always thought he WAY overplayed that (as an actor) and it was way overwritten (one of the very few cases in this series). It would be obvious to the rest of the world that the fault was completely in the hands of the “Prince” of Wales. What a truly weird system the Brits have.
While you are right, their family was indirectly involved. Some might come with the thought of "this would not have happen if she would not have left the "prince" with the purses."
First off all, the character is a monarchist. He wud have done anything in his power to help, even if he didn't feel responsible. And Lady Rose's loud mouth started d whole debacle. Not to mention the perpetrator was a guest brought by his sister. I think he reacted very much within expected norms.
Robert always was an overdramatic weirdo, though. I don't think Hugh Bonneville overplayed it, I think the character is intended to be that way. Because Robert is the type to get riled up over the weirdest things or be too stuck in his monarchist ways etc.
I would’ve loved an episode where they fast forward to King Edward VIII’s abdication- just to see the reactions; but that would make some characters pretty old.
They left out the part where Shirley McClain informs Freda and Rose that she'd read about Freda in the American papers. The British press kept it quiet but not the US press
Weird fact: James Fox, the guy playing Lord Aysgarth, is brother to Edward Fox, who was once married to Tracy Reed, who was the granddaughter of Freda Dudley Ward.
Do you want the heir to the Throne be lampooned across the world???? Wow Lord Grantham was 12 years ahead of his time here. Look what happened then in 1936 🤣🤣🤣🤣
How do the writers create such moving stories? Smoke gets in my eyes... I saw a documentary of modern people temporarily becoming servants to an upper class English family. It took a lot of adjustment to live and learn the roles. I remember when they were done the manservant to the master was very sad and moved when it was over. He said being of service to his charge was deeply meaningful and satisfying and he was very sorry it was over. I understood how he felt it was a privilege to help another person so intimately to be their best.
The Royals love a good scandal, after all even when they lose they win, and because words can't kill them it always turns towards their advantage, and whoever messes with them always ends up paying a grizzly price sooner or later. They are untouchable. It doesn't matter what's true, what matters is what's believed.
When I first watched this I was so confused who Freda Dudley Ward was. I thought she was the prince's betrothed and was so confused why their relationship could be scandalous
4:15 Hear, hear!! Why in all the earth would you leave a bag unattended with that important of a note inside? Good thing these gals are not in the 21st century when ladies know (or should) not to leave their drinks unattended. They'd be passing out everywhere from someone putting something in their drinks.
First, they didn't leave drinks unattended, just their bags, and it was Rose that did it. And in those days, seemingly "honorable" men would not have gone into their bags; they just didn't know that he wasn't a gentleman.
Read the history of the “History of the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”-Hitler made a bargain with the Duke of Windsor.. he promised the Duke and Duchess the crown when England surrendered.
Just like the BBC series, 'the Duchess of Duke Street', who was married out to the butler so she could be Edward VII's concubine. He never had a dalliance with an unmarried woman.
I find it interesting that Robert is not irritated by the idea that his Vallet is a perfect pocket thief. As Mary was not irritated when Larry puts the pills in Toms drink. They seemed to be used to criminals.
The Gilded Age, also by Lord Fellowes, soon to be released. Some rumors of a Downton prequel, not likely, but it would be fun to see the Dowager in her prime
Hugh Bonneville as the Earl of Grantham rarely gets so upset - stiff upper lip and all that. He didn't overreact ... as a monarchist, his character was written and directed to feel so responsible about his family's part in having the note taken for blackmail.
When Cora is telling the art dealer about how she came to London as a young woman and met Robert, it seems like she was on her own, with maybe a chaperone as someone pointed out. Plus, Robert needed her money. Why would he have cared about Harold, who would have been a young man then, even if he had met him before the wedding?
Mary could have gone up to him and started freaking out. That's what I would be doing. If JF did that on purpose, sneaking an extra in that looked like Dan Stevens, that's just evil. Why?
@@jamesbug2002 Not just royals. The sash is worn by many as a mark of rank or to show membership in an organization. Orders of knighthood, in particular, have sashes of specified colors to indicate one's standing.
Prince Edward, the Prince of Wales -- heir to the throne -- was carrying on a love affair with Mrs. Freda Dudley Ward, a married woman. That letter no doubt made that clear. It would have been scandalous at that time had that news been made public.
One of my questions is, and I ask because I see too much unpleasant persons in the ABBEY... There is any obligation to have guests?? Is a hotel 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟??? I said that, because so often I see conductes of the guests unpleasant, not digne of DOWNTOWN ABBEY... We have any obligation??? Or they comes to ask, and it for them is too much?? To stay in your place ( not físical, but to know what is your position respect the FAMILY of DOWNTON ABEEY, is important for you, FOR THE FAMILY OF DOWNTON, NOT YET!!! O sea dicho hablando en plata: vives aquí, a pan y cuchillo, y me levantas la voz? Me haces desplantes? Discutes de una manera ferviente tu posición respecto a un tema, faltando, si es el caso, la consideración y el respeto de quién te HA INVITADO Y A PESAR DE TUS MODALES, TE ESTÁ ESCUCHANDO! Todavía tengo fe en tí de que no tengas más confusión mental, creeyéndote además, con alguna capacidad intelectual.
If Mary were a real person and this story based on an actual historical fact, her views of David Windsor would have been described as both accurate and astute. I could live happily with his choice of bride and the whole opposition to him marrying a divorcee was nothing short of archaic, discriminatory nonsense, but David Windsor's sympathies to the Nazis is something that I could never accept.
You mean “in” the letter? We never get the specifics, but it seems to have been a love note from the prince to Freda, which would have confirmed their affair.
I kinda feel like Robert wayy overreacted about the situation. All throughout I had to kept on guessing exactly why Robert was so affected. I understand that the Crawleys were at the scene, but I feel like they treated it as too big of a deal. They've literally gone through worse.
@@francescapaladini5763 I guess it was a matter of principle to him to protect the reputation of the royal family. Especially if his own ward was would be involved in the scandal leaking out.
I think its more about Rose not getting into trouble. I mean shes friends with a woman who is having an affair with the prince (heir at that). Rose would have taken fire probably even accused of sleeping with him too. And plus Robert is a monarchist.
I love love love Rose’s reaction when she thought Samson had really dropped the letter. Mary on the other hand seemed to understand what her father really meant.
The expression on Rose’s face was great! Mary’s was the true priceless one however!
It’s her Cousin.
@@dccd4 Mary's Father is Robert. So the original commenter is correct. Thank you, though, for your input.
“... even when he’s safely crowned and married to a foreign princess!” I honestly don’t know how he got through that line with a straight face.
After WWI so many royal families lost their position that he wasn’t required to marry a princess in any case (if had been a requirement for the princes prior WWI). But he really did go to opposite extreme in terms of who was thought suitable.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 As long as he had the approval of the Monarch and their office, a prince and/or princess could marry anyone. The current monarch had to navigate the waters when the court disapproved of Phillip due to his German & Russian relations. Smooth marriage approvals didn't start back up until the Queen's children started getting married.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Well, his eventual wife was a foreigner...
@@sarasamaletdin4574
There are still to this day "princes" and "princesses" who carry royal titles and live in their family's castles who are not "reigning" royals, but keep the titles as honorifics.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 I think what they’re talking about is the “married a twice divorced nazi sympathizing American commoner, which got him forced off the throne and all but exiled for the rest of his life” part of his life, not just the marriage requirements of the British aristocracy.
Bates. He's a good guy who can be a very bad guy with good intentions.
I loved that he's a gentleman's gentleman with the forging & pickpocketing talent.
Bates' pickpocket skill just jumped up a few levels.
Bates has been leveling very well indeed. :)
Bates was my favourite.
Level=super sleuth
Not to mention his expert forgery skills.
George Prchal his skill is now level 100
It's a bummer they left out all the scenes with Bates doing the forgeries. He was the real hero of the incident even before he grabbed the note out of the coat.
flyboy152 We certainly missed that
He learned a thing or two doing time.
@@taroman7100 Prison was an education.
Copyrighting…There are the dvds.
Absolutely.
Man, it's crazy how well this portrayal of Edward VIII matches up with the version we later saw in The Crown.
They match up so well because they're going off of history. He was always a party-boy and a womanizer, and had multiple affairs before he was crowned, plenty of which were with already married women. Freda Dudley Wallace, who was mentioned here, but also Thelma Furness and Wallis Simpson.
Bcoz they followed the real history with account.
George the fifth always thought his oldest son was a liability, which was why he was so hard on his younger son, the Queen's father, because he thought he would have to be a real spare, which he later was.
Aye. At some point before he died, George V said of Edward, "After I am dead, the boy will ruin himself in twelve months." His Majesty would be more right that he knew...Edward reigned as king for only 326 days.
@@morbius109 I believe that he also kind of predicted that Elizabeth would become queen.
It seems he was hard on all his children because he was a domestic tyrant.
@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co He seems to have gone easier on the girls though.
It is well-known that he dotted on his granddaughter Elizabeth (as in the current queen).
Exactly. George V said that Prince David would be ruined as king within a year. Edward VIII only lasted 11 months.
Read up on what Tommy Lascelles wrote about his experience with the young Prince of Wales.
The royal family was horrified that he nearly turned the UK 🇬🇧 into a republic like their Russian and German cousins.
I miss this show. I enjoyed the music, the humor, but mostly the costumes.
Absolutely!
Lovely line from the dowager countess, " I feel like a charector in a whodunnit", because Dame Maggie Smith was in Gosford Park written by Downton Abbey's creator.
Julia Naylor my brother keeps telling me I must see Gosford Park! 😁
I started Gosford Park and I wondered why I reminded me of Downton Abbey. Now I know the same guy was apart of both
She was also in the comic-parody "Murder by Death", many years earlier, in which she was one of a number of guests in a whodunnit. So funny, and had one of her lines that she repeated many years later in Sister Act.
th-cam.com/video/vtso4moSkGk/w-d-xo.html
As well as Gosford Park and Murder by Death, Maggie was in the mystery films Evil Under The Sun and Death on The Nile
@@gabrielalopetegui It's a must see. My husband and I saw it in a movie theatre when it came out. Loved it.
I love how they brought Prince Edward to the serie...his immature action as a prologue to what happened later in real life 😊
seanzscorpio He was also a nazi sympathiser. The world would look a lot different today if he’d stayed on the throne.
seanzscorpio his marriage was happy, and that’s what matters. If anything, he should’ve been pushed out for being a Nazi sympathizer.
Gabriela Lopetegui This David was the future king who married Wallis Simpson?
Glenn van Nijevelt Yes
Indeed. Just glad he never made it to the throne. You get all chummy with Herr Hitler.....well....you can go F yourself. royalty included.
Wonderful acting - wonderful story lines - love the costumes - and I most certainly love the ENGLISHNESS OF IT ALL. Simply gorgeous and witty men women and their roles in this outstanding Series. Thank you all so much.
Lady Mary's facial expression with her loud gasp are hilariously funny to me.
I fucking love Bates. I knew what he was doing the moment he helped him put on his coat.
Bates had a quick opportunity to get the letter out of Samson's coat while he was walking from the table toward Samson.
@@cyrilmauras4247It wasn't in the coat. It was in the inside breast pocket of his jacket, which Bates got into when helping him put on the overcoat. Bates' "There you are, sir," got him to look up so he wouldn't see the move.
If Robert had that much of a fit over a simple love letter scandal he must have had an absolute aneurysm in 1936...
what happened in 1936? 🤨
@@moonlightfitzThe Abdication Crisis. The Prince of Wales became King Edward VIII at the start of the year and in December 1936 he announced he wanted to marry his mistress Wallis Simpson who was a married to industrialist Ernest Simpson. The establishment could not countenance the idea of the King being married to a twice divorced woman (as she would have to be to marry the King). The King abdicated the throne and married Wallis Simpson in 1937.
@@DavidJCane Right. Moreover, Wallis Simpson's unacceptability as "Queen" (even a Morganatic one) wasn't "just" that Wallis Simpson would be/was a TWICE-divorced ("strikes 1 and 2,") FOREIGN "COMMONER" ("strike 3") ... it was that The King was also the HEAD of the Church of England -- within that faith discipline "ranking" below only God Himself. Edward VIII could not credibly lead his Church under those distasteful circumstances ... which is why the "Old Guard" monarchists were so upset by Edward VIII's actions and choices.
The irony in real history is that -- even "IF" somehow a compromise could have been brokered such that Edward VIII could have both remained on the British throne AND married Wallis Simpson -- Queen Elizabeth II STILL would have eventually ascended to the throne assuming NO OTHER changes occurred in history (albeit as a middle-aged woman in the 1970s after the Duke of Windsor [who never had children] died). But here's another truth: if Edward VIII had remained on the throne, it's quite possible Nazi Germany would have won WW II long before the U.S. even got involved, and in turn, it's possible the British Monarchy would have faded away and become irrelevant before Elizabeth II even had the chance to ascend to the throne.
Again, Robert reacts and 'erupts' and stomps out of the room!
He either stands up nd goes to another part of room or does the march out and slam door thing! It would be fun to see a short video of these compiled together!
I feel bad about Harold because you can see that he's traumatized from past relationship, where people are only interested on him because of his money. He's reluctant to get to know any girl because they come with strings attached.
Still, no need to be such a jerk that you push away any woman who might actually like you.
I don’t see any pathos in Harold. Everyone has had bad experiences with past relationships. A rich man is always plagued by the fear that a woman (or man!) marries him only because of his wallet. To allay this anxiety the rich tend to marry those who have just as much if not more money than they do. Harold is a cynic; it’s his choice to have a jaundiced view of life and the motives of those around him.
Bates did so much for them. They did well by him, certainly, in accordance with the times. "We are so much in Bates' debt."
Mr. Bates has the most amazing talents.
Will I ever get bored of DA? I don’t think so ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
"a happy ending for the prince, a crisis for the monarchy has been averted, although given his character i wonder if we won't see another before he's finished"
WELL NOW YOU SEE ABOUT THAT.......
Bates did the Crawleys' a solid by all "picking up" that letter
LOVED Cora's brother. LOVED him and his bold American demeanor.
Am I only one who thought it was crazy hot when Bates picked that letter out of Sampson's pocket?
I also love how Lady Mary understands the true meaning of the letter being "dropped"
The Crawley owes the Bates huge!
Prison and school both give you an education--what you do with it and how you apply your knowledge is entirely up to you.
Amen!!!
@4:52
That poor man. He'd be horrified to learn that HRH Prince Edward was going to marry Wallis Simpson.
That would have possibly given him a heart attack.
Ikr
What was special about Prince Edward? You lot bestow esteem on your royals for no other reason than they were born royal.
@@silvergirlnails8411 Then again, it is not like royals can help being born into royalty either.
Nothing compared to Charlie boy marrying the rottweiler and screwing the princess.
@@djchiesa3567
Is that what the Duchess of Cornwall is called behind her back in England 🏴?
Robert: “The fact is, this family is responsible for the whole ghastly debacle.”
I always thought he WAY overplayed that (as an actor) and it was way overwritten (one of the very few cases in this series). It would be obvious to the rest of the world that the fault was completely in the hands of the “Prince” of Wales. What a truly weird system the Brits have.
While you are right, their family was indirectly involved. Some might come with the thought of "this would not have happen if she would not have left the "prince" with the purses."
Robert and his damned making a big deal of it. It's funny what rich people get upset about.
First off all, the character is a monarchist. He wud have done anything in his power to help, even if he didn't feel responsible.
And Lady Rose's loud mouth started d whole debacle. Not to mention the perpetrator was a guest brought by his sister.
I think he reacted very much within expected norms.
@@elnationalista except the Prince isn't the one whom was trying to steal the letter- it was Sampson
Robert always was an overdramatic weirdo, though. I don't think Hugh Bonneville overplayed it, I think the character is intended to be that way. Because Robert is the type to get riled up over the weirdest things or be too stuck in his monarchist ways etc.
Robert made an wonderful business to have maintained Mr. Bates with him!
I would’ve loved an episode where they fast forward to King Edward VIII’s abdication- just to see the reactions; but that would make some characters pretty old.
We may get to see it. I think the new movie is set in the 30s
We may get to see it. I think the new movie is set in the 30s
The title needs to be changed. There have been so many scandals... 😂
This was the only one featured on Downton Abbey that actually involved the Crawley family.
Tori Peltier half the show is scandals
Yeah but not royal scandals
They left out the part where Shirley McClain informs Freda and Rose that she'd read about Freda in the American papers. The British press kept it quiet but not the US press
Because that had nothing to do with the stolen letter plot.
Weird fact: James Fox, the guy playing Lord Aysgarth, is brother to Edward Fox, who was once married to Tracy Reed, who was the granddaughter of Freda Dudley Ward.
Edward Fox also played Edward the Prince of Wales in the mini-series Edward & Mrs Simpson.
James Fox played a very young early 20th century airplane enthusiast in the 1965 film "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines".
I love how Richard has no idea what this prince is going to do in the coming years, just makes it funnier
You mean Robert not Richard
Richard who?
From my favourite episode of them all. And that is saying something.
The invaluable Bates.
Always loved Batees. Well done.
Do you want the heir to the Throne be lampooned across the world????
Wow Lord Grantham was 12 years ahead of his time here. Look what happened then in 1936 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not as bad as the infamous tampon phone call in the early 90s
@@mattep74 Andrew and Epstein.
Good ole bates.loyalty is a great quality
And I wonder how Lord Downton would React to the Abdication Crisis in December 1936
*Lord Grantham
@@OnLifeandLove You beat me to it! He’s not named after his residence.
@@jonwiley5549 Actually, he used to be Lord Downton while his father was the Lord Grantham.
Yes another amazing video I’ve been waiting for ages
I loved this show and family and miss it 🥰
At 7:59, Mary's reading that letter!
Robert was so over the top ... the debacle!!!!!!!!!!! PEACE to ALL.
How do the writers create such moving stories? Smoke gets in my eyes... I saw a documentary of modern people temporarily becoming servants to an upper class English family. It took a lot of adjustment to live and learn the roles. I remember when they were done the manservant to the master was very sad and moved when it was over. He said being of service to his charge was deeply meaningful and satisfying and he was very sorry it was over. I understood how he felt it was a privilege to help another person so intimately to be their best.
Julian Fellowes is the only writer. He writes every line.
Prophetic line about the Prince having future indiscretions.
And from Mary's lips.
4:58 Yeah about that.....
Love all season of Downton abby and Downton abby the movie ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Robert yelling at Mary when for once she does have a point that doesn’t come across as an insult
The Royals love a good scandal, after all even when they lose they win, and because words can't kill them it always turns towards their advantage, and whoever messes with them always ends up paying a grizzly price sooner or later. They are untouchable. It doesn't matter what's true, what matters is what's believed.
Phenomenal fashions intriguing storytelling! 🤫
When I first watched this I was so confused who Freda Dudley Ward was. I thought she was the prince's betrothed and was so confused why their relationship could be scandalous
Edward the Prince of Wales had a thing for married women, like his grandfather Edward the VII.
4:15 Hear, hear!! Why in all the earth would you leave a bag unattended with that important of a note inside? Good thing these gals are not in the 21st century when ladies know (or should) not to leave their drinks unattended. They'd be passing out everywhere from someone putting something in their drinks.
It's quite the comment on our "modern" society that women need to know that. It doesn't say much for our "civilization".
@Hannah Dyson I don't believe it happened with anything like the same frequency as now.
First, they didn't leave drinks unattended, just their bags, and it was Rose that did it. And in those days, seemingly "honorable" men would not have gone into their bags; they just didn't know that he wasn't a gentleman.
@@LynxSouth Not in that class of society anyway
8:05 I hate him but damn, that top hat
Bates you genius
The prince of Wales was a dingus
Yep
Read the history of the “History of the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”-Hitler made a bargain with the Duke of Windsor.. he promised the Duke and Duchess the crown when England surrendered.
@@sandranorman5469 Wait, why did Hitler think he wanted the crown? He threw it away.
Tamar Harrington Forced to..... to be precise.
Tamar Harrington He abdicated because he wanted to marry Wallis Simpson. Hitler was prepared to put him on the throne without that being an issue.
"He brought it down on his own head" Oh, Mary, such a hypocrite....
Lmaoo true! Thanks for pointing that out
Mary wasn’t the future king.
But she was wrong.
Karma rewards Lord Robert here for saving Bates earlier in the series!
Madelines Dad cracks me up.
Thank you.
Does anyone recall which season/episode this was?
Uh oh, here comes the almost scandal to derailed this reputation all together 😦😯
Mrs Dudley Ward seems like a really nice woman despite the fact that she was cheating on her husband with the future king
Just like the BBC series, 'the Duchess of Duke Street', who was married out to the butler so she could be Edward VII's concubine. He never had a dalliance with an unmarried woman.
"I'm a realist monarchist." Um...is that possible?
7:41 i'm crying
I find it interesting that Robert is not irritated by the idea that his Vallet is a perfect pocket thief. As Mary was not irritated when Larry puts the pills in Toms drink.
They seemed to be used to criminals.
Will there be another series? I hope so, i love it!
There was a movie earlier this year that pretty much wrapped things up.
@@flyboy152 But left just enough there for a sequel should Julian be convinced to write it
@@Sylvander1911 A sequel movie, but not a new series.
@@flyboy152 Yes
The Gilded Age, also by Lord Fellowes, soon to be released. Some rumors of a Downton prequel, not likely, but it would be fun to see the Dowager in her prime
What was Mary throwing into the fire and why?
I'm wanting to know what Mary's scandal is & I can't seem to find it 😠😂
Mary slept with Pamuk, a guest at her house, whom she had just met. Then, he dies in her bed.
@@flyboy152 thx
BATES WAS CLEVER A TRUE GENIUS
they cut out the bates part
How dare he go into Rose's purse and pinch that letter.
James R It was in Freda’s purse, not Rose’s. And as for how dare he? Sampson was a thief and a card cheat.
Hugh Bonneville as the Earl of Grantham rarely gets so upset - stiff upper lip and all that. He didn't overreact ... as a monarchist, his character was written and directed to feel so responsible about his family's part in having the note taken for blackmail.
The actor playing Levinson is really good! Of course, it is unlikely that any real Lord Grantham would have married the sister of anyone like that.
The Lord's married the daughters of wealthy Americans quite often for the money they brought with them.
@@cynthiaweathers6979 Yes that's true, but not people like the Levinsons.
I don’t think he met them much before the wedding. I think Cora was sent over by herself or with a suitable chaperone.
When Cora is telling the art dealer about how she came to London as a young woman and met Robert, it seems like she was on her own, with maybe a chaperone as someone pointed out. Plus, Robert needed her money. Why would he have cared about Harold, who would have been a young man then, even if he had met him before the wedding?
@@flyboy152 He would have hoped that the rest of the family stayed in America.
LOL, I love Bates....
Bates, valet and fixer for the Earl of Grantham.
at 2:53 It looked like Matthew :(
Mary could have gone up to him and started freaking out. That's what I would be doing. If JF did that on purpose, sneaking an extra in that looked like Dan Stevens, that's just evil. Why?
0:29 Why is HRH The Prince of Wales wearing his sash under his left arm instead of on his left shoulder?
May i ask why royals wear sash?
@@jamesbug2002 Not just royals. The sash is worn by many as a mark of rank or to show membership in an organization. Orders of knighthood, in particular, have sashes of specified colors to indicate one's standing.
I couldn't find the reason why but if you look up photos of him in white tie you'll find photos of him wearing it as depicted in the video.
Guess he won’t be complaining the “theft” lol
*Cough* Andrew *Cough*
PG Wodehouse without the jokes
What did she burn?
Hooray for Mr. Bates' prison skills!
Pickpocket: 100
Lily James!!!!
Absolutely not sure he would have worn the Gartner in such occasion. Definitely not.
Debacle? Sounds a lot like Matkle.
These single ladies back then are so scandalous and keep getting themselves in wreckless decision. Mr. Bates is brilliant
Freda Dudley Ward was married, not a single lady, so your point is meaningless.
One scandal was much worse than this, The Abdication scandal of Edward VIII
This is a precursor to that. The future Edward VIII in a relationship with one of his earlier married mistresses.
What was in that letter? Why it is so scandalous?
Prince Edward, the Prince of Wales -- heir to the throne -- was carrying on a love affair with Mrs. Freda Dudley Ward, a married woman. That letter no doubt made that clear. It would have been scandalous at that time had that news been made public.
It was a love letter proving an affair between a married woman and the prince (heir to the throne)
One of my questions is, and I ask because I see too much unpleasant persons in the ABBEY... There is any obligation to have guests?? Is a hotel 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟??? I said that, because so often I see conductes of the guests unpleasant, not digne of DOWNTOWN ABBEY... We have any obligation??? Or they comes to ask, and it for them is too much?? To stay in your place ( not físical, but to know what is your position respect the FAMILY of DOWNTON ABEEY, is important for you, FOR THE FAMILY OF DOWNTON, NOT YET!!! O sea dicho hablando en plata: vives aquí, a pan y cuchillo, y me levantas la voz? Me haces desplantes? Discutes de una manera ferviente tu posición respecto a un tema, faltando, si es el caso, la consideración y el respeto de quién te HA INVITADO Y A PESAR DE TUS MODALES, TE ESTÁ ESCUCHANDO! Todavía tengo fe en tí de que no tengas más confusión mental, creeyéndote además, con alguna capacidad intelectual.
This is from the movie right?
The tv show
If Mary were a real person and this story based on an actual historical fact, her views of David Windsor would have been described as both accurate and astute. I could live happily with his choice of bride and the whole opposition to him marrying a divorcee was nothing short of archaic, discriminatory nonsense, but David Windsor's sympathies to the Nazis is something that I could never accept.
What was out the letter?
You mean “in” the letter? We never get the specifics, but it seems to have been a love note from the prince to Freda, which would have confirmed their affair.
Bates to the rescue !!!
WAAAAAIT!!!! Don’t burn the ticket stub 🎫 !!!!!!!!!
What was the significance of ticket stub ?
@@isobelmartin7377 Proof that Bates didn t kill Mr. Green, the man who raped Anna, Bates's wife
I kinda feel like Robert wayy overreacted about the situation. All throughout I had to kept on guessing exactly why Robert was so affected. I understand that the Crawleys were at the scene, but I feel like they treated it as too big of a deal. They've literally gone through worse.
Things were a bit different back then.
Robert is a drama queen
@@francescapaladini5763 I guess it was a matter of principle to him to protect the reputation of the royal family.
Especially if his own ward was would be involved in the scandal leaking out.
I think its more about Rose not getting into trouble. I mean shes friends with a woman who is having an affair with the prince (heir at that). Rose would have taken fire probably even accused of sleeping with him too. And plus Robert is a monarchist.
Does anyone know the backround song?
Ambassador stomp
Marmalade cake walk
Didn’t know people in 1900s used the word „prank“ :D
Skills
Freda is gorgeous.
Quite a beauty. The actress who plays Freda had her own show “Salem” where she played the head Salem witch. The show lasted three seasons.