Why Esports should be in the Olympics in 2024 | Jon Pan | TEDxDenHelder
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- We should leverage the global phenomenon of esports to improve the bodies, wills, and minds of millions of youth around the world. Support this idea and sign a petition.
Jon is Senior Advisor, Esports at Turner. He started off his esports career as a Product Manager at Riot Games before becoming Co-Founder and CEO of Ember, a North American League of Legends Team. Most recently, he was Head of Esports at BRaVe Ventures, which was acquired by Turner. Prior to Riot, he was a Senior Consultant in the Financial Services Office at Ernst & Young.
Jon received his MBA from NYU Stern, specializing in entertainment and finance, and a B.A. in Economics and Philosophy at Baruch College. Jon is a veteran of Afghanistan where he served as a Captain in the U.S. Army.
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video games shouldn't be in the "traditional" olympics. e-sports should create their own "e-olympics" where every competitive game can be played by the best players of each country. imagine the money it will produce just from the sheer number of viewers.
but korea would wipe the opposition
Yeah same with Chess or Go, I feel like Olympics should only be for physical sports. I would be totally down for an e-olympics featuring Overwatch, CSGO, Rocket League, Lol, Dota 2 and other games too.
textmachine09 a game for each genre
a much better name would be elympics
I was literally gonna comment the exact same thing. I guarantee the first year they do it they blow that traditional olympics out of the water. There is SO much money in e-sports.
E sports are the beginning of world peace, and all disputes will be resolved through 1v1 quickscope match on rust.
1v1 neutral map Ratz Instagib/QUAKE you mean
Who still plays CoD? PC games are better :3
COD ON PC
Aim map bois
I think you mean that worldwide riots will be started that way lol
"not because esport is the sport of the future
but because esport is the sport of today"
damn
You're wrong, he said e sport is the sport of today.
Esports is NOT a sport.
Jason Mason One of the biggest debates concerning eSports is whether competitive video gaming can be defined as a sport. The definition of sport has been attempted many times, and a universal definition has not been determined (Perks, 1999). Rather than a definitive academic definition, people refer to the Oxford English Dictionary (n.d.) definition, “An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment” (para. 1). The definition of sport needs to be discussed to ensure that eSports can be defined as a sport.
Jason Mason Esports aren't a sport, but esports are a sport. It's matter of the definition.
Kongo your wrong. He said “a” sport of today
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Id rather have a seperate olympics for esports than the physical sports cuz there are several gaming platforms like:
-League of legends
-DOTA 2
-CS Go
-Overwatch
Just to name a few
True, but the same could be said for something like, for example, Gymnastics, there are many different events like: Vault, Balance beam and floor exercise. All of these are very different but they still fall under the category of gymnastics. The same applies to; Track & Field, Swimming, etc.
Digital Olympics :D
The overwatch esport thing was just a marketing thing though
Elympics
and mabey in a few years formula one, because despite there still being problems i still think it will grow as afterall this is the first year of official f1 esports
I'm totally indifferent, Olympics need gaming because the appeal of the Olympics is dwindling.
The problem is, is that it brings in private enterprise into a sporting category. Sure there's branding but no-one owns 'Basketball', no one owns 'Baseball' but DotA is owned and operated by Valve. I don't know, just seems a little off.
alZiiHardstylez thats a good point
actually I own ragbyball which is a sport similar to american football and rugby in which you throw a whiffle ball and the other player punches the thrower in the face
I don´t think that would be an issue at all. In fact, being optimistic, the owners of those games that could potentially be broadcasted in the Olympics will be more than happy to allow this, since it enhances their game popularity, solidifies its fan base and fuels the steady growth of their business.
In the worst case scenario, they will ask for royalties maybe, but I don´t think that´s a feasible possibility since the ones who will be more interested in getting into Olympics are the game owners themselves.
Detheroc Ye makes sense.
Detheroc Ye youre right dude, i mean of course they want it.. who doesnt want to be written in history? The game owner themselve surely wanted it to become an olympic sport...
Showing this to parents, right away.
What did they say?
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Me too. I'm 35.
Anthony Clark Can you name a single ultra famous cricket player? Probably not. But they’ll go down in history just the same as someone like Brady. It’s the same with eSports- if you don’t care for it, you won’t care for it. You obviously enjoy football to some degree, and it’s mainstream enough that most people have heard of the most famous players in it. eSports isn’t nearly as mainstream, and the 30+ year olds of today didn’t and probably won’t ever care for it, that’s why they won’t know them. Not because of any sort of lack of achievement. Zero, winning 53 tournaments straight, setting probably the most impressive run achieved in the history of eSports. Faker, probably the single most terrifying LoL player to touch the keyboard. Daigo, the initiator of moment 37 (the Daigo parry), one of the most hype and technically absurd to pull off comebacks of all time. But honestly? I’m wasting my time trying to tell you this. If you don’t care, and don’t care to change that? Some rando on youtube won’t change your mind. Anyways, have a good one👍🏻
Anthony Clark it goes reverse too. athletes train all day to become the best at sports. To be a top gamer, you have to train all day to be the best. Reaction time, muscle memory, knowledge of the whole game, and enemy team analyzation are all required to be good. Anyone can pick up a controller and be good at a game. Same with sports. But in both, its nearly impossible to immediately be the best in the world. And chess, poker, and billiards are considered sports. Why not video games?
I love e-sports. And have been an avid watcher of it for the better part of 5 years. But I do not believe is has a place in the Olympics. I feel stronger about forming their own type of World Cup or Olympics of Gaming. But it doesn't feel right in the Olympics
Cody Sims I hope it does have its own World Championship but it still has a place in the Olympics.
eSports can't afford for being a international "eSports Olympics", the enterprise is pretty growing from 2010, probably in 20-30 years they could.
I totally agree with you and it feels good to see that I'm not the only one thinking that
A standalone eSports Olympics is something I could get behind
I don't think there's the need to try and push esports into the olympics. The world is catching on that esports is a thing (and has been for several years now). It's only a matter of time until the olympics realize how much money there is in eports and will beg to include popular games.
There were talks about having it in the olympics, but I’m conflicted with the idea. On one hand, I would love to see it on the olympics to showcase that being the best doesn’t have to be a physical attribute, it can also showcase the mental aptitude of people and Video Games does challenge your reaction time, strategy, tactics and awareness.
On the other hand, I’d rather have the olympics focus on their own thing as a physical competition and esports would have something else that challenges the mental capabilities of a person. Maybe bring in the chess and poker players too.
Well 2024 is approximately 6 years away (saying 6 and not 7 cause we're at the end of 2017).
Pretty sure in 6 years esports have already overtaken every single sport there is maybe except football, since it's still the most popular sport in the world by far. So I'd say the chances of esports showing up in the 2024 Olympics is pretty high. Specially games like LoL or Dota 2 which even have a viewing angle very similar to real sports.
However, I doubt CSGO would show up since it's darker and more violent and we all know this "violence in videogames" narrative isn't over yet and they'd say it's unacceptable for those military shooter games to be in the Olympics because blah blah blah...
lol those old corrupt fuckheads would totally destroy esports
IG KingHalik Unfortunately you're probably right, especially with all the scandals on international sports organization lately
because watching someone on a chair playing a video game is very blood rushing.
I have been avid gamer my entire life (42 years.) I like to watch esport istead of regular sports. But I don't think esport should be included in the olympics. It's a bad match, and IMO, will only hurt the reputation of both. Something as traditional as the olympics shouldn't be modernized too much, it will take away whatever charm it has yet to lose.
People here, including the speaker, miss out one thing. If Esports are in the Olympics, the esports players will not only be fighting for their clubs anymore. They are fighting for their nations.
Plus, people should think about the definition of Sport before they say Esports should be in the Olympics or not. Modern sports and Olympics appeared because of the industrial revolution. People started to get richer and looked for entertainment. So rich people started sponsoring athletes and sports became a thing.
Some people may misunderstand sports require physical exertion. But physical exertion is only required because technology -wasnt as advanced in the early 20th century.
That's why we see a lot of track and field sports are dying because they are too boring to watch. If the sport is too boring to watch, big companies won't even bother to sponsor those athletes. If those athletes have no sponsorship, they can hardly earn a living. If they can hardly earn a living, they will quit. If the people quit, the sport itself will disappear, despite its intense physical exertion. Therefore, as all smart people can see, sports itself only evolves around entertainment, and then business from sponsorship. If one particular sport is too boring, it won't even exist, despite its intense physical exertion.
So, physical exertion is only, at most, a peripheral requirement for sport. Like the video said, Esports are much more entertaining for teenagers and the business itself is only growing larger and larger, If Esport is not sport, then what is?
gr8 said i agree fully
But wait a second don't Soccer players have clubs that they abandon come Olympic times?
That's what WCG is for...
World Cyber Gaming...
when you say that players will now be fighting for their nations instead of their clubs a lot already do. I know at least in overwatch players represent their countries as a whole in the world cup and im sure that their are other eSports that do aswell or probably will in the future
Anything which is boring can become popular if it's done in an impossible way. When someone scores a goal in an impossible way,it creates emotion,dopamine and not just entertainment. Similar is the situation in e sports. It is emotional,not just entertaining.
The reason for doing impossible is the evolution of games from Pacman to Dota2. Clearly, you can see the difference. Both are entertaining but dota 2 carries emotion because of some of the impossible things that pros do.
I am a simple guy
I saw inferno ct spawn
I am here
All political disputes, domestic and international, should be resolved in a game of Mario Party.
This should have its own olympics. 3 main categories. MOBAs for the people who like not understanding anything on the screen, FPSes for people who like to watch one country win every major (game dependent), and fighting games for people who like watching the same 5 people and Leffen win every tournament ever
Cadmus Rhodium why fpes for Korea? They have no space in the CSGO scene lol
Everything you do an asian do better, except playing fps.
More like rts for people who like korea.
Sagit Swag it's just a meme bro, y u have to be mad. But asians really aren't great at fps. Only overwatch, but it have "powers" so it's nothing like cs go.
South Korea doesn't really have any history in FPS except overwatch and even then, it's a MOBA/FPS hybrid more than a pure shooter.
Besides, the WCG already existed which was pretty much the olympics of Esports. Just watch the WCG mini documentary.
I had the chance to go Pro for a few months in PUBG until I realised how much time it was consuming. How much stress and pressure it was to have many different leagues/tournaments every week while also having a lot of team practice. Keeping the team spirit up and get the communications right. Coming up with new strategies in real time and analyse the enemies.
PUBG is not even as competitive as other games like CS:GO. Thats why I have a lot of respect for the veterans.
Olympics is all about physical achievement, otherwise games like chess would be included... even maths
Carlos Guzman chess isn't, that's why chess has its own olympics :)
Physical... ever thought about shooting? That is more about focus than physicality
@@blaparty5514same as archery
and if u mean shooting in gaming No
This video aged like a glass of milk.
Esport doesn't need olympics question is if olympics need Esports...
While I do enjoy video games and eSports, I feel like having eSports at the olympics wouldn't really work.
The Olympics are about trying to bring different countries together via friendly competition, but gaming really is more about empowering the individual, and so having teams based on national borders doesn't feel like it makes much sense.
Gaming is so different, that I think gaming would be better off with its own version of the olympics.
Think about it, you could have a bunch of different events in it. You could have competitions for competitive games, but you could also include speedrunning competitions and game jams. Being it the olympics would bring eSports into the mainstream, but eSports and the Olympics are two completely different things, great in their own ways.
I mean if they categorized it like MMOBA, FPS, BATTLEROYALE, ETC. There would be a lot of people watching it but I think it's too early in society to do this.
Have you never heard of Nation Wars?
@@SpiralSkies Ok battle royale is not a Esport. Please edit that out.
@@electro_yellow9295 ur 1 year late to this conversation, edit urself out
Videogame makes people agressive
Soccer: Fans separated to don't fight
e-Sport: At least 10 team's fans together
haha so true. Videogames being the cause of violence has been debunked so many times anyone who brings it up anymore is laughed out of the discussion.
@@theonlybass8947 it does make me toxic
well, SEA games 2019 is already having esports as a sport sponsored by razer , with 2 pc, 2 console, 2 mobile games for the event
It's just a matter of time. When younger generations will grow and become the deciders for Olympics, then they will be added.
Digidi doubt it, this i just my opinion, but in light of the microtransactions and lootcrates discussion I feel that is what will keep them out, also if you consider companies like Activision and EA they'll be given a fair chance to be part of it or submit their games, since they have the money will make the argument that the "Elympics committee has to give them a chance to make their argument."
Digidi Oh how your little subculture will be surprised ;)
im 38 and i cant tell you the last hockey game i watched.. and i used to LOVE the red wings in the 90s :). I did watch EVERY boston major game for CSGO... so thats saying something. on a side not my brother who is older than me laughed at me when i brought this up a month ago.. so it was coool to see this video. thank you
I love games and Esports but I disagree with the Esports on the Olympics
Ignacio Rodriguez Justo why?
I personally don't belive the E-Sports will blend in with the Olympic's sports, thats why I belive E-Sport should have their own Olympics, imagine having a month or some weeks full of different competitive games.
+After Rain Because Olympics don't use electronics. So why should computer games be in the Olympics LOL.
Or they can make it a test Olympic sport and see how many people it views and make it official if it works
I like how he said he started playing dota 2 when he was 7. Dota 2 was released in 2013.........RIP
esports net worth will blow sports in some years, just wait and see olympics adding it
yep they probably already make more just wait a few years
God please no esports in Olympics God please.
mr arican a lot of the esports athletes are pretty fit and they have to stay on a diet as one of their terms on some teams
"faster, higher, stronger" is the olympic motto.... What would be for esports then? I think esports should have its own apart form Olympics. I view it as a movement against olympic scandals, corruption and stereotypes. It should remain pure just like traditional sports then.
I think that esports should have their own Olympics, not because I think that they're not a real sport, but because there's so many different games, that the Olympics would take weeks to finish!
I really do not think that esports should be in the Olympics. The Olympics are more of a celebration of what humans can do physically then anything else. Esports just like chess is more about your mental state then your physical state. When I think of Olympic sports I think of seeing someone run faster then any other human, lift more then anyone, jump so far that you could swear they have wings. This does not apply to more mental sports and I do not see why people want to shoe horn esports into that. They are already getting recognized and even if they wouldnt be we all would still be watching them. Let the Olympics be the Olympics and if anything make a super event that would celebrate all sports that are more about the your mental state then the physical one.
Do you think basketball or volleyball are right for the Olympics? Success in these sports does not require physical superiority. They are games with a set of rules, and being the best at the game requires teamwork and skill. The only real difference between these and esports is a computer, but computers are a vital part of many current Olympic sports, so why not let them regulate the rules?
George Sorrell actually, those sports require a lot of physical superiority, what are you on about?
It helps to be athletic, for sure, but they're team games. You don't have to have the 5 best athletes to be the best team in basketball. It's not like running or swimming or biking where you have to be the fastest runner or swimmer or biker to win
Pretty sure Olympics already accepted eSports, but only family friendly games like Rocket League.
Actually, the modern Olympic games have a history of featuring "mental sports", including categories for architecture, painting and literature. This was gone by the latter half of the 20th century, but it's kind of weird to think that the origin of the modern Olympics was so different in focus to what we have today.
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Just like others in the comments, I agree with having a separate Olympics for E Sports. There are so many games that can't be placed together under an E-sports category for the traditional Olympics. That's just down right unfair for other games. League, CSGO, COD, Valorant, R6, Rocket League, DOTA 2, and others to name a few. Traditional athletic sports also aren't owned by any 1 company.
Hence, E-sports should have their own Olympics but be sponsored by the Official Olympics committee. Just like how there is Paralympics, just make E:Olympics or Online Olympics and have categories with the competitive titles out there. That way no competitive games have to fight for a spot of like 2-4 categories in the traditional Olympics and instead have up to 12-16 spots.
I guess there is no need to put e-sport into Olympics. E-sport events will easily outnumber Olympics in viewers and engagement. I guess it will be more in interest of Olympics than E-sport itself.
3.5 billion people watched at least some of the Olympics. How will that be "easily" outnumbered?
pmackie123 More than 50 million people watched LoL finals, also outmatched NBA finals for two years...
Nickstrap Videos the figures you guys are using just aren't fair..LoL worldwide numbers vs NBA finals one game and US only
pmackie123
According to numbers released by Riot Games, 27 million people watched the finals in Seoul (broadcast in the U.S. on ESPN3).
Game 7 of this year's World Series between the San Francisco Giants and Kansas City Royals? It was watched by 23.5 million (the series averaged 13.8 million).
The San Antonio Spurs' win over the Miami Heat in the NBA Finals, which was clinched in five games, didn't help ratings there; 18 million people watched that deciding game (average for the series: 15.5 million).
pmackie123 Sure about that?
Media who hates video games: *Crying intensifies*
Esports should have their own competition, it’s not a sport it’s an esport
I'm from 2021 and here Esports is still struggling!
don't ask me why but this video brought me to tears
I'm thinking dendi just showing up in the olympics wearing a Olympic pudge costume
I respect this man, thank you
The fact that more and more people watch and play e-sports doesn't mean they should feature in the Olympic games. Maybe there should be an e-Olympic games. Sports promote people to move and be active. E-sports promote sitting in a chair for hours
When Pasha and SK showed up I was dying xD
This sounds like my year 8 speech
The Olympics just had their first trial of eSports during the Winter Olympics, you can look up IEM PyeongChang on google to see it. Makes sense since its hosted in Korea and they were playing StarCraft
amazing job with this
How isn't this trending?
Zero's command because youtube is broken
SKT T1 approves
As much as I love e-sport, and i admit that to become a successful player you need a lot of dedication and hardwork, but I would prefer to have it as a category of its own rather than grouping it with traditional sport.
Esport is the future, Ima League practice everyday.
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I believe in you
See those dislikes? All of those are parents who is narrow minded
Or parents who brought up their children naturally playing the real sports whilst you're sat in the dark bedroom glancing at a TV screen thinking you are a big athlete.
Heel Race Driver you just pointed out your mistake. Games helped me a lot in my studies and life more than real sport does. Basically you are still tied to those stereotypes. I can say you are 100% wrong. I learned how to look at people's point of view from Warcraft, I learned and started my interest in war history through Battlefield series, I made a lot more good friends in Dota than those assholes I met in real life. You are basically the one riding a bicycle while others are using a rocket.
Or just people who disagree with this video? Ever though about that?
DrimDreamer it's the same thing
Jovan Lee But it's not
Only one problem.. Esports in the Olympics is as good as football in the Olympics. Most top teams/players may not participate. The players won't have much practice with each other considering they have a packed schedule with their teams in the regional championships, MSI, IEM, etc.
They probably would participate because it's good training and they play against other teams and they play with a different team themselves.
Participating would also bring in more sponsors to them and to their team wich is beneficial for them the teams and e-sports in general.
The problem with team sports in the Olympics in general is that you are getting the best players, but they don't necessarily work well as a team together. Video Games like CSGO, LoL and Dota are team games meant for people who work together on a daily basis. You can't throw Hen1, Pasha, ScreaM, KennyS and Skadoodle together and expect them to beat a CSGO pro team, because while they may all be Tier 1 players, they aren't a team. Don't get me wrong they would perform well, but not to their full potential.
ripmortals
I feel like the weird thing would be that they won't really see much of a difference in skill level than their international tournaments. These tournaments already have the best players vsing each other. I feel like it would be redundant to have both an international competition and be in the Olympics. Also because esports is so recent they'll probably have those that were in international tournaments in their roster as they can't really train a new team solely for Olympics from scratch.
UrFriendXD The upside for esports being accepted into the Olympics is recognition. More nations will accept it as a sports. More universities will open up scholarships. More publicity for the various games.
Besides Esports can made a regular at the Olympics. It would be like let's say athletics. An umbrella of various disciplines which here would be LoL, StarCraft, DoTA, CSGO, FIFA, etc.
So while we might get the most competitive games, it will be a platform for the community to leapfrog onto the international scene.
In The Southeast Asians Games E-sports is now part of the traditional Olympics..
Something he is omitting is the health importance of real sports... Which is already a huge issue in USA
How about e olympics or something instead? Imagine a heptathlon in different games! That would be amazing! You can basically make a entirely new olympics game with just esports!
andyheckel WESG
Please make it SEPERATE, it doesn't fit what the Olympics stands for. Make a separate e-Olympics.
E-lympics cmon bro easy win
@@MrAnimationSociety And then Para E-limpics
xD
Not just a sport. Our sport.
Minute 2.00 Just was thinking that esports aren't that great it's just that you can watch it for free on various platforms while to watch other sports and even the olympics you have to pay the damn ppv. Good to see that it actually the price that is driving it down and not that now we are all sedentary
I'm proud to be a dota fan.
Zoe Nepomuceno so u are proud about playing the worse League of Legends? I played both games and its pretty clear that LoL is designed way better
Lmao I'm just saying dude. I played LoL too and I just prefer dota over LoL. Been playing for 2 years. Last thing ima say is that we all have our own preference so if u like LoL then great, if Dota then great, too. I still think Dota is designed way better. :)
designed better to be more "user friendly". don't forget that league and other mobas are based off the wc3 custom game "dota allstars".
But yeah, to each their own. I've played both and I definitely like dota better, maybe I'm already used to how the game mechanics are from playing dota 1.
James Lee Awesome! Well it came from a Starcraft mod then wc3 mod
Whats the point south korea just win every time
Sami Pesari
Honestly
They are really bad at all shooting games but overwatch though. But else i agree totally.
Sami Pesari not in Dota 2
are they best in dota as well?
Ruiwc25 no they have one good team but it hasnt really won at all
It can be in the Olympics once video games hit when you are able to game VR using you feet to walk or run or do jumps... thats when it will be considered a real sport because you will have to move you body and actually break a sweat... I see that type of VR at least 10-20 years away... But it WILL happen...
I am proud to be part of the esport community and i wholly agree on what he is saying.
P.s i got goosebumps
am i misunderstanding him? the superbowl did not get less than 5 millio viewers lol. it gets around 100 million
The Kvudiz yeah that made me sad since I would like to see esports go more main stream. But his facts weren't even close lol
The Kvudiz I think you got angry over his statement.
No. There were 5 million UNIQUE viewers and 100 million VIEWERS
look. i love esports but i dont think it should be in the olympics
I don't think it should be in the olympics, I think it should be in the elympics. It would be separate from the olympics but still an official recognized "sport"
Angel Sparkles why?
After Rain because it brings private owners into the Olympics, noone owns basketball ,but riot own LoL
same
As somebody that enjoys watching eSport and playing video games but eSports is different from a sport, a sport is physical but a eSport is visual and should have its own Olympics
There should be like a sort of "winter olympics" except this time with esports and chess and kinda logic games that you may not sweat on but your brain is what works the hardest and not your body.
Please not in the olympics, this coming from a huge esports fan. There should be an ESports olympics, but not added to the normal olympics. ESports olympics could be added as an official olympics though just like winter and summer olympics.
Mental Olympics
VaultBoy
I saw the title and immediately noticed a simple flaw, video games are rapidly changing, traditional sports are timeless, and they will never change. you wouldn't get people to agree on wtf to play.
There could be an e-Olympics with pc and mobile leagues (yes I know but mobile has a lot of competitive games like Brawl Stars, Clash Royale, MLBB, Clash of clans, Vainglory, Arena of Valor, PUBG mobile, and many more). Each country could have the greatest players from that country to compete and it would be insane.
people wont accept mobile games as an e sport because there are too many kids and half of them are pay too win, there are some small tournament for games like clash royal but they aen't as big as pc games tournament
100% disagree as an esports fan. To many games to chose from and the whole point of the olympics is showing off superior physical and mental strength. Esports is awesome but not Olympic material
Since when did esports not have mental strength?
Leoooooolol Olympians have consistently throughout many years pushed their mental and physical limits. Esports doesnt do this (at least to anywhere near the degree of olympians) end of story.
Phil The fact that your saying that Esports don't push the players to their mental limits is an understatement. Just because it inside and on a computer doesn't mean they are not concocting winning strategies in their heads during the game. Esports push their players more than chess does, which will be part of the 2020 Olympics.
Phil haha dude you should watch the story of kuroky... He strives for so many years just to achieved the aegis (just like most olympians) like dude esports athletes is no different to those olympian athletes... Theyve been through alot of simmilar things, they struggle, they experience tough times, losing, winning, roster changes, got recruited, got kicked out of the team..
What i was thinking was, There should be a separate event for esports Olympics, like E-lympics or something
Hi, I'm curious about the viewership numbers at 5:02. From Fortune, it is reported that there were 111.3 million viewers for super bowl 51.
fortune.com/2017/02/06/super-bowl-111-million-viewers/
111.3 TV viewers, digital streaming figures (specifically unique viewers) not reported for 2017 by Fox, in 2016, it was less than 5 million - www.geekwire.com/2016/cbs-sets-super-bowl-streaming-record-nearly-4m-unique-viewers/
Okay, but I would say that the online streaming numbers for Superbowl viewership are largely irrelevant, as the primary market for the NFL would be TV viewers. At any rate, insinuating that the LoL finals were 9x larger than the Superbowl is either misleading or negligent. Do like the video's message overall but I think he missed the mark a bit on a couple of the points, or at least didn't explain them with as much background as well as I'd like :)
Unique viewers. So if 20 people were watching superbowls on 1 TV, thats 1 unique viewer. I think, lmao ayy haHA lets go TSM btw
I was wondering the same thing. This is a unfair comparison as the Superbowl's viewership is mainly from broadcast TV, not digital. Also, American football is a uniquely American sport, whereas LOL is a world-wide esport. A fairer comparison would be to use something like the World Cup Finals, a world wide sport.
Alan Liang He probably means at the stadium
The viewership graph comparing LoL worlds to the Super Bowl is extremely misleading. This is the data from people watching over livestreams and does not include the Super Bowl’s TV audience which far out weighs the LoL World Championship.
this is a really interesting topic
I think esports should be in a separate event not in the current Olympics event as traditionally and culturally those Olympics where hosted to test the physical abilities of the contestants, not mental (video games).
It does test their physical abilities. Besides the mental aspect present in almost all sports, it's also about very precise movements and hand-eye coordination.
Zightz well you may be right considering the fact that events like shooting do exist in the Olympics but that leads us to another problem, videogames are usually owned by companies and aren't in the public domain so a certain esport would exist only as long as the company runs the game, which means that the Olympics can never add in any esport (except maybe electronic chess lul) thanks to videogames being owned privately.
NeelsonGaming I am in full agreement on that.
If you think esports only test the mental abilities, you're gonna have a bad time
skra papapap uh why am I going to have a bad time?
UEFA Champions League Final and World Cup Final still top Super Bowl. Get it right will you?
To create e-Sport Olympics or some kind of interpretation of it would be better than just, you know, adding it on to the current Olympics. We could create so many problems by allowing corporations like Steam or Origin take control of these things. Imagine if, say, basketball was owned by a certain company. That would completely throw everything out of whack.
The thing about sports is that it is universal, and open to all, but e-Sports can only be run and headed by one company of organization. That's what make the Olympics what it is today. A collection of the best of the best in unbiased, pure, rich sports that haven't been changed and are still true to their roots.
I’d love to see Esports have its own sort of sporting event, in which like the Olympics, many different games and events held tournaments in a similar fashion to the Olympics. I think truly making it an Olympic sport wouldn’t work. One reason being that the biggest esports in the world are team based, and require great synergy in order for teams to be effective. Such as in Overwatch, where not being compatible with your team can make winning almost impossible at the top level. And also games like dota and CSGO have violent themes throughout the whole game. And as we’ve seen in the past not everyone takes kindly to the idea of violent gaming. These reasons and I’m sure more I’m not smart enough to comprehend would make it very difficult for games in an Olympic environment to thrive. I think however something similar to the Olympics could work very well, and due to the massive amount of competitively played games, It would allow for more games to have tournaments, as I believe that if gaming was in the Olympics, we would only see games such as CSGO, Dota 2, LoL, etc.
They need to make there own international e-sports events where countries get there best players to play them. But I think there needs to be more children getting into sports in general.
So, im just telling you guys, here is the issue with eSports. Not that this will ruin it's Olympic chances, but this is the truth.
The reason eSports are still being considered and not confirmed are because all of the popular games, are violent. Csgo puts terrorist against counter terrorists, data congratulates players by saying "ultra kill" and many more games that promote violence. So, that leaves sports games like madden or Fifa, but those don't have s much of a following, so the Olympic organization is kind of screwed. They want to add eSports, but they don't want to "promote" violence at the same time.
Bailey Kang in reality, it is, but it has to gain the same following as csgo, Dota, or LoL. It has a fairly large following, but probably not large enough. But yes, rocket league would be a good candidate
Kellen Walburn Violent games are fun because they provide more strategy then games like Rocket League etc. and it has been proven that violent games don’t make you more violent
Lucas F.F. yes, i get the idea behind the strategy and all of that. And I know violent games don't encourage violence. I have done numerous reports on that topic in school.
What are u on.... If a person can't tell a difference between a game and real life, then that person really needs to open his mind.
Four Too Zero I don't want to start an internet argument, because I'm a part of thise way too often, but you are thinking a little closed minded here.
Any NORMAL person won't be affected. Its the ones that maybe have mental problems that you have to watch out for.
Olympic should adapt to become Esports, READY PLAYER ONE!
Missed a chance to include pashabiceps, just look at them muscles
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Very cool content but his presentation was pretty boring. Like a high school English project. No engagement
The World Cyber Games should make a return. That was pretty much the Olympic games for gaming. Then again, in e-sports you are represented by your team, while during the Olympics, you represent your country. So there has to be a way to incorporate that. Watching your favorite team(s) play, can be done at any (major) tournament around the world. What would be more special for them during the Olympics?
I played professionally in cs 1.6 during the golden era and for esports now to maybe make the Olympics? Just surreal
Some of the top esports teams are located in Los Angeles
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China disagrees
Korea disagrees...
Why are people trying so hard to make esport into "sport"? There is no reason to merge the two, they focus on completely different things and have nothing in common apart from being "competitive".
Sports aren't a private IP and many sport organizations and events have national funding. Meanwhile video games remain the property of their respective owners (Blizzard for Overwatch/SC2, Riot for LoL, Valve for CS:GO/Dota2 etc). Those companies pay for and organize events for their games to raise viewership and player base, which directly relates to their revenue. You can't fund a private company from taxpayers' money.
Esports are a sport. I don't see why we're discussing this. If shooting, dart and billiard are sports, esports definitely are as well.
Also, for most esports, the owner of the IP don't normally organize tournaments. This is only the case for some of the bigger ones. Esports continue to be practically community driven.
Mateusz Kotowicz CHESS AN OFFICIAL SPORT. FOOTBALL IS AN OFFICIAL GAME. You see what I mean? The only difference is wether you use your brain OR your body.
the Olympics has always been about physical sports. even in shooting there's a physical task of getting everything perfectly. esports is completely different, it's a game. there's different strategies that would go way above a spectators head while it's pretty easy to see who's the best and why in traditional sports.
As a passionate fan of esports, I used to be vocal about how esports should be considered a real sport, and I probably also thought that it should be in the Olympics. Lately, I've kind of fallen of that train of thought a bit.
First off, I really do think esport players should have the same rights as traditional sport athletes when it comes to travels, visas, and so on. There should be no difference. But, what I'm getting at is, I don't care about the label anymore. Esports doesn't have to be considered sports, it can be it's own thing. It's already much bigger than some traditional sports. We don't need a new label to put on it, as long as it is respected and acknowledged as something viable.
With all that in mind, I'm not sure how I feel about esports in the Olympics. For all I care the Olympics can be left as is, with traditional sports. Let esports have its own Olympics-kind of thing, sort of like wcg was back in the day. It can still get public acceptance without being in the exact same context as traditional sports.
People (mostly elders) just dont believe into us, kids/almost adults that wanna be ESport Athlets. And i am going for it, i am not gonna start until i am gonna be on stage in front of thousands of people, playing CS:GO
JACOB look up the definition of athlete kid.
Killer Panda athlete is definitely not a term to be used for people in esports. Honestly they should just stick with "players" because that describes them best
Yeah, i understand player is better word, but athlet sounds stronger!
And them elders were and still are stronger than you would ever be. Esports isn't a sport. It's in a world of it's own.
I think that both sides of the argument are taking the term "sport" and seeing it in different ways.
I dont agree. Esports has a different niche. What I mean is that they have their own competition. Olympics in my opinion is a body/mind logistics.
Olympics is driven by history. You guys should respect that.
Esports also host competitions in arenas that contain thousands and also in homes watching them is in billions.
Esports and sports in the olympics have their different similarities. Leave esports to esports
sicherry 20 new sports are added to the Olympics all the time. All though out history technology has driven new sport ... this is just the next level. Everytime a new sport wants to join the mainstream it has to over come the same things that esports now has to.
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Olympic games have a 2000 year history. Changes will happen whether you like it or not.
Buddy, you say this now, but you wait 40-50 years and “regular” sports will be in the gutter compared to esports. Have you seen the poor NBA finals? They’ve lost to the LoL World Finals every year for the past 4 years now when it comes to viewership. Pretty sure they annihilate every sport when it comes to views on computer or any device other than TV. All we need to wait for now is for ESPN and major sports providers to show esports more regularly than the more random viewership it has these days. Things and history changes, and frankly I don’t give a damn if a sport is historic or not, I’ve never found watching sports interesting because I always told my dad I’d rather go play something instead.
The first modern only had 9 sports. Only 5 have been at every Olympic game since. Sports are added and removed everytime . It's not about wether new things could be added in, it's about should they be.
Great idea Congrats Stefan
Olympics is not there to make money. Olympics is there to make champions.
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Chess is not olympic so i Think e-sports shouldn't be olympic. Bit that is just my opinion
Erik Baumgarten chess is an Olympic sport, dude.
Ender Ex Machina it was One Time in 1936 i Think but today it is Not. There is a chess-olympiade though
The real reason Chess isn’t an Olympic sport is because no one watches it if esports was just in the Olympic from the start no one would question it if it’s fun to watch but older people grew up thinking it’s a nerdy to play video games when in this new generation it’s absolutely normal
Erik Baumgarten Hey man, its okay to have one. Opinions make us Human.
Chess isn't olympic because it's boring to watch. Just try to watch some pros play Chess, you'll wish you were painting an impossible painting instead.
brace yourselves the future of sports incoming... it's gonna happening
There are Olympic sports like archery and shooting, which they only require people to use their hands, mind and vision to achieve something without any huge physical effort, so, why are those sports, Olympic sports and different to esports? Although racing is not an Olympic sport, it's still considered a sport for those who practice it, the fans and society, yet they just need to be inside a car, use their hands, feet, vision and mind; the physical effort on it only involves moving and controlling the steering wheel, everything else shares the same skills in esports, like awareness of your surroundings. Golf and similar ones aren't physically demanding, yet sport fans don't go crazy if ESPN broadcast those, as it happened when they did that with a esport.
There should be a seperate Olympics for E-Sports.
Maybe when they have VR and you have to run on a dynamic treadmill.
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Shouldn't be in the Olympics because there needs to be a barrier between physical sports and esports
GeorgeRen it needs its own separate olympics. There are too many games.
-lol
-csgo
-dota
-hearthstone
-wot
-smite
-streetfighter
-smashbros
-cod
-etc
Hmmm, I don't know if they would include all those, but yea if something like more than 2 or 4 games were to be in the Olympics, yes it does need a separate Olympics.
GeorgeRen why should there be a barrier between physical and not physical sports?
Ya air pistol and rifle shooting are too physical man. Those intense trigger pressings
Hoi Tong Ng LOL. So true.
Gaming is interesting, there is always something different for every game you play
With sports like soccer and football it’s kicking a bit of rubber around. People don’t watch for strategy but for competition.
This is why gaming will be almost always better.
Oh I would love to see E-Sports going on live television! That would be my dream come true
I was watching CPL 2005 on live television so what's the big deal?
G4 use to film live tournaments during e3 and Pax back in the day. But TBS still does it if I’m not mistaken