Esports is Real Sports | Anthony Betrus | TEDxSUNYPotsdam
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ค. 2024
- In his talk, Dr. Betrus compares the qualities of traditional sports and Esports. He then outlines the benefits of Esports in K-12 and Higher Education environments, and how Esports prepares learners for future STEM careers. Dr. Anthony Betrus is a professor of Educational Technology and Business at the State University of New York at Potsdam. He serves as the NCAA Faculty Athletics Representative, is the Advisor for the Video Gaming Club, and he is the Esports Director for the college. He also serves as the STEM director for the National Education Foundation. His primary research area in using the motivational qualities of simulations and games to promote learning. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
I like how the first thing i notice is claptrap from borderlands on his shirt
ahmed ha me too
Real talk! Amazing presentation.
That's really good point, and well documented! Even more as the Tony Betrus, the speaker, is a real athlete also when it comes to "traditional" sports.
One more reason why esports are sports: not everyone is good at it: it takes both talent and training.
Rlly? That's ur reason? Not everyone good at cooking. It takes talent and training. So can we say masterchef is sport competition?😂
@@edwardtimothy3581 yeah it is lol that's not the gotcha you thought it was
@@FunnieApple nope
@@edwardtimothy3581 amazing reply, really settled that one lol
@@FunnieApple alright then. So every competition should be called sport in ur head? Good 👍 nice to meet ya
The media needs to watch this
They won't, they'd rather misinform the masses in order to earn more cash than being decent for once
@@legacyofvrak true
esports and playing video games are not sports lol
@@jamesnolan4376 thank you
@@Tech_Nolyze but there not real sports
Underrated af
Corona only further proves why esports are becoming more and more mainstream
By having people sit on their asses with vitamin D deficiency? If gaming is a sport, so is typing in whatsapp group or making a gif.
@@mediacenterman8583 Do people have to sit on their asses and have vitamin D deficiency if they're doing esports? LOL you clearly didn't comprehend the speaker's points. Your absurd logic seems to come from someone with vitamin D deficiency.
@@ajohncarino nope. Esports isn't an actual sport
@@edwardtimothy3581 Whatever, man. Whatever.
@@ajohncarino thx for agreeing
Great talk, great points!
I am a Potsdam alumni and this is great news, being a video game fan! Good luck!
Thank you so much! This is great..
Really well said. I have had this argument and was not able to really impress upon my friends the difficulty and stamina involved in high level gaming (the heart rate especially makes me realize why I keep getting less tired as I game before bed...probably need to change that habit lol.)
bruh lmao gaming doesnt require any stamina u just sit and move ur hands
@@ochinchinani its true
@@ochinchinani I do not.
@@ochinchinani chess is a board game imo. Yeah, it does take a lot of thinking but definitlly not a sport. my definition of sport is that it is physically demanding and competitive. Dota isnt physically demanding
@@ochinchinani gaming isn't a sport you don't gain anything from playing games,well depends on the game but you don't gain anything from most of the game
Hmmm,i wonder why this video doesnt has alot of views,people need to see this more
Great talk!
This idea took me a while to warm up to. Not because I disagree with the talk, but because I wonder where competitive .SWF programming was 18 years ago. Or competitive firewood splitting and stacking when I was in high school. Thinking this way, when "I was in my prime" I could've been considered one heck of an athlete... yet I've never considered myself an athlete at all, so the idea that gaming can be a sport was pretty far-fetched. I did come around, though.
Recently one of my schools connected to a professor from SUNY Canton to hear about video game design. Seems that there is a lot of momentum in the North Country when it comes to gaming. Is there a regional initiative or just coincidence?
about viewership you should use worldwide for every sport when measuring
It’s sports entertainment at the end of the day. The orgs have way more control then the leagues they play in is the first problem.
Finally someone who understands
Does anybody have access to the source of the referenced article "Science shows that eSports professionals are real athletes" - i'd need it for a presentation! Thanks!
In my opinion, everyone defines "sport" in a different way. Some people consider sports as a competition in general (both mental and physical) and others define it as physical activity and possibly also as a competition based on their definition. In my point of view sports should be separated into mental- and physical/traditional sports. But tbh i think, if somebody tells you he does sports you probably wouldn´t think about gaming or similar activities. But no matter if it´s a sport or not, Esports should be respected, of course, because to become a Pro-Gamer it also requires a lot of discipline, motivation and ambition. Although I don´t really recognize Esports as a real sport, I respect it.
Well said.
Same. I respect it. But just like i respecting someone doing cook competition, or mathematics competition. Not all competition can be classified as sport. For me it just that, physical activity. The guy trying so much to make esports looks like in the same tier as other real sport when it's not.
@@edwardtimothy3581 it is in the same tier its not sport but it definetly is as hard.
@@thesupreme8062 yes. But sgain, it's not sport
@@edwardtimothy3581 i agree
The best thing about esport is, that everybody can be a professional esports player. Even if you only have a phone you can play hundreds of games with tournaments and organisations :)
No lol, first of all nobody watches mobile tournaments, second of all not everybody has a phone lol? Can Africans be professional esports players?
Alwaysbooster mobile tournaments are watched. Not everybody has a phone ye but most people. And African people can be professional esports players because everybody can
All major esports are only on console or pc and not on mobile, and not everybody has a console or pc, you also need to practice at the game for hours a day which many people simply don’t have time for. So not everybody can be a professional esports player unless they have deep pockets and lots of free time.
Tbh, the only reason why people like this vid because it agrees with them
True😂 like, if laying on my couch, eating chips while playing video games classified as a real sport, i would love doing it too😂
@@edwardtimothy3581 i mean by that logic kicking a ball around with no purpose is also a sport, but it isn't. There's a huge difference between playing casually and competitively
@@geokim8590 well, if u play soccer with ur fan, just for the sake of playing, with no money to win. Or no something to prove, it's still classified as u doing sport 🤷. No. There is no different. At the end of the day, it's the physical activity. Not the competitiveness. If i go to mathematics competition, is it classified as sport just bc it's competitive?😂 And it's not like soccer player just kick the ball. They run too
@@edwardtimothy3581 you have no idea the physical abilities an eathlete must have. Just because you're not getting up and running doesnt mean its not physical activity. After all the blood sweat and tears those players have been through, the least you could do is respect them.
@@edwardtimothy3581 also, the government recognizes e athletes as athletes now and gives them collage scholarships. Esports viewerships are similar to regular sports, and they have been features in 2020 asian games and is being considered in 2024 paris olympics.
The fact that athletes like himself and even the Kun Aguero now considers them a sport but the media just refuses to accept it...
Why does this have such few views?
because "e sport" is not a sport. :D
There is no athleticism in competitive gaming. Playing like a tryhard is not athleticism.
@@anthonygloria5192 true.
@@anthonygloria5192 what do you define as "athleticism"? Do you even know the amount of blood, sweat, and tears that goes into esports athletes?
@@geokim8590 more like g fuel , kfc and broken keyboards is what goes into being a esports player
he should've showed actual esport games
Probably couldn't for copyright reasons.
@@wolfson109 What? That would be under fair use because this video is educational. So it couldn’t be copyrighted.
@@juicecoconutgun7264 Ye activision doesn't really care about fair use..
Eventually, as our technology in this world progresses, esports will dominate physical sports and eventually make physical sports as well in the form of robots or people using technologies as well to boost their physical attibutes. Physical sports may be tweaked.. but hey, wouldn't that be more cool. Same as how our modern basketball today have tweaked rules from the past. Before it was just about having a good pass and shooting well.. now we have crossovers and techniques.
I hope I'll be dead by the time esports become dominant
@@ioankibble8866 why? It will be more fun.
@@ioankibble8866 imagine robots boxing like in Reel Steel, no rules, just pure carnage, something real life fighting sports can't do.
@@kukki2107 because whats the point of trying to go outside and play the sport
@@ioankibble8866 also, I was talking about boxing earlier, u don't randomly go outside and ask people to spar don't you?
There are so many boomers in this comment section refusing to accept esports as a sport, but if you keep resisting change nothing will ever happen and everything will stay the same, never evolving. We progress as a species by making steps and developments. Stop trying to hold on to the past and let go to the future.
It's a game, not a sport. Also I'm not a boomer. Don't judge people by their opinions
captainsandwhich is correct. its a game, an activity. its not a sport. 0 athleticism. i dont care what anyone says, its not a sport. i do wrestling and MMA. nothing about gaming can be compered to sports, especially combat sports
The stats need checking desperately - the viewership figures for example are more than double and some of them are just facetious.
Funny before I listen to this my thought were it’s like playing an instrument or or operating some kind of machine
this proves so many points. who said that sports have to be physical?? chess is a sport. math competitions are sports. they use brainpower instead of physical skill. why is e-sports any different??
E-Sports is not that difficult. Other people are working hard, getting bruises and they don’t get any recognition. But somebody just puts a controller into their hand and they are suddenly very famous. I agree with you but, I don’t think it is a full on sport. I think there should be a different category for minds sorts. For like chess and math competitions I agree with you but not completely.
yeah I beat my friends in football last week so obviously I'm tom brady
VampyAuto 8 go and put a controller in your hand, pick any game with major esports, and get as good as the best, come back when you are a professional esports player winning money
VampyAuto 8 “E-Sports is not that difficult” You have never been more wrong.
we should have a different sport category for things like this. (nascar, chess, checkers, and esports) for things that dont need much physical training and requires brains (and yes, personally i think you need to be smart to drive)
if chess is a sport, then overall gaming too.
The thing is, i don't see chess as a sport. More like a game. And just bc u have competition about certain activity, doesn't necessary make that activity as a sport
I've never seen someone that considered chess a sport.
@@andarilho_31 yeah even pro chess player called them self gm or something like that instead of athlete
I suspect most people who don't recognize esports as sports, don't know enough about either; they likely haven't played a sport to a level where they see the game beyond surface level skills and they likely haven't played an esport to that level either. I have done both, get me in an MRI thingy while I play both and you will see that the brain and physical exertion is right on par. It's so plainly obvious to every high level athlete I've ever talked to or seen play an esport or even just watch one.
Linguistically I will say that language is flexible and cultural so relax a lil, yes no one really associates being an athlete or playing a sport with esports ***yet***, but that can and should and likely will change and to some degree it already is.
Love the points he made about accessibility and community, so so massively important, esports need to be recognized as sports so that they can get the same amount of support as young athletes and competitors in other games.
Esports is a not a sport, he main reason is due to the lack of physical exertion compared to other traditional sports.
Sports-Whole body getting tired
Esports-Eyes getting tired.
@AimusVAL so a pianist is also an athlete then?
@AimusVAL so painter, guitarist, cook, writer, and any other that make ur fuckn eye tired and arm hurt an athlete, WTF just cause it has a competition doesn't make it a sport I think esport need to be changed to competitive gaming, and they don't even need to be a sport or be in Olympic, esport or competitive gaming they are a big thing they don't need to be a sport to survive they can be their own thing.
@AimusVAL "physical"is the keyword And u said it urself, there's nothing physical about eSports unless were talkin bout vr, in game we mostly move an avatar body not ours, which is why chess are still considered a competition not a sport even pri chess player called themselves grand master and all that instead of an athlete
@AimusVAL even shooting sport (except for reaction shooting ipsc, or other that are similar) still need a lot of physical, mental, skill they need a lot of physical training specially for the arm even though they just move their hand a lil.
While in gaming u don't need any physical training, yes u need to train a lot but not physically, same with chess and as I said it before they don't even called themselves an athlete.
@AimusVAL or people that are proficient at a "sport", for something to be called a sport it need to incorporate enough physical aspect to be one and moving ur hand a lil isn't enough, to tell u the truth it's really confusind what defined a sport too many experts said different things
So, everything is a sport?
Rr
I don’t think playing video games= a sport, but it was a nice presentation and the guy seemed nice enough. 👍
Besides the physical movement required by any sport, can you you think esports should not be seen a sport?
Thanks for watching, and I appreciate your honesty. I actually agree with you: playing video games is not a sport; I hope I made that point clear in the video. From 9:37 to At 10:39 I cover definitions. My definition of Esports= “Playing video games competitively as an individual or a team using agreed upon rules and regulations.” The key things to take away are “rules” and “competitively.” To put it another way: tossing a baseball in the backyard is not a sport, just like sitting on your couch playing video games is not a sport. Add rules, another team, and increase the stakes for winning and losing, and you’ve got a sport. And thanks, I do my best to be a “nice guy” :) In general, my experience with the entire Esports community is that there are a whole lot of good people doing good things. The more we engage with and empower the players, the better it will get!
Is chess a sport?
@@reinvendiola1629 no
@@pszyk.o.9074 why not? what makes a sport, a sport?
Patient: Look Doc, I lack vitamin D, am overweight and my skin looks washed out
Doctor: Okay, have you thought reducing calories and playing sports now that the summer is here?
Patient: You mean just sit on my couch and play COD while eating cheetos and washing it down with Sprite?
Doctor: That is not the type of sport I mean and you know it.
ballerinas and iceskaters are dying of anorexia, fighters die of dehydration trying to cut down, i could go on, health and healthy shape has little to do with multitude of popular sports, your whole wannabe funny argument is idiotic at best
7:02 sorry but this is absolutely not the finals of the world championship that took place in Korea in 2018, might be an LCK finals though
Yes that was what I was thinking the world finals were in an open stadium . Could be worlds 2017 finals though
this video flopped badly wtf
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I’m an antisocial, unemployed man in his late 20s struggles with severe autism but the hours I spend isolated in my bedroom streaming on twitch is actually very productive and meaningful. Will see if
those girls are go were too good form me back in high school will still be laughing when I’m a professional video gamer and esports makes me a millionaire.
good luck homie
The same thing we were ridiculed for 25 years ago by people who engaged in outside activities now counts as athletic activity? Haha
doorgaan met
e sports may be something competitive. but i dont think its a sport. atleast not conventional sport. sports are defined as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment" this does not match e sports. there should be a different category for things like this. stuff like chess, e sports, and NASCAR. otherwise good argument, but i really dont think e sports are like other sports
chess is a sport and that is not an opinion just what it is so that definition has something wrong or with physical it includes something else
@@Fieldjam-nq8zp chess demonstrates heavy competition, something esports don't. Usually, you'll witness one individual being dominant for 4 years and so on tho the next person. The reason why it isn't so competitive is that it isn't as popular as other sports, or traditional as chess.
@@roberttorres7936 esports are the competitive part of video games if you want an example optic games in call of duty the dominated for years and also esports are growing much faster than traditional sport for example the LoL world championship had more viewers than the super bowl i think it was while in the past the difference between those two were huge so esports are becoming more known as the time goes and the competitive thing you said makes no sense because esports are literally the competitive from video games
Fieldjam 56368 good explanation. I really don’t want to be against it. You you think esports is going to be recognized sometime as these sports that’s are worldwide recognized as The NBA, football, etc?
@@roberttorres7936 every year esports are more and more recognised at the point they have more viewers than traditionals sport events so i would say that they will be
E sports: Reaction time
Sports: Strength and agility
So basically e sport is a sport
because agility is kinda like reaction time
in games
Well heres the thing, in order to be a sport, a sport must require physical activity, and esports don’t require physical activity, so the only way an esport could be a sport by definition is if it requires motion or gyro controls, and most esports don’t have that. So that’s why esports (at least in my opinion) are not sports, I don’t hate esports or anything, it’s just that I don’t consider them to be sports.
@@juicecoconutgun7264 would you consider nascar as a sport?
@@starchywartchy412 i think nascar is a sport because, in order to drive a nascar your body need to be train to substance the force of the car especially in formula 1 where's the car can generate more or less 5g of force
@@starchywartchy412 no
But fast reaction time is also required in real sports
Bro what 💀💀💀💀💀
I'm a teen but esports sucks and sports are better.
Did you just..not watch the video? I mean, you’re entitled to your own opinion, but you should at least see it from our perspective 😂
I don't think that's what the video was about, but thank you for sharing your thoughts.
It's good to know what you like.
No, esports is NOT real sports!
@@HowlKingYT Esports aren’t real sports, sports r physical competitions, esports is just clicking buttons, sports r better, and I play both
@@HowlKingYT no have u played in a real sports tournament before
@@HowlKingYT for me I remember playing sports with my friends and it was the best moments of my life, I also played video games with them it was fun but not as much as sports but it’s all preference
@@HowlKingYT I did and esports still aren’t sports. Like bro the definition of sport is physical competition and video games r just competion, I’m only 13 but it’s pretty basic knowledge that video game r just something to do in ur past time and if ur good at it then maybe a career but not a sport
@@HowlKingYT you even said it. Esports. E. There is an E before it. Esports is in a different category than sports
Sports: Baseball, soccer, basketball, running
Esports: fortnite, rocket league, Call of Duty
Get it? 2 different categories one is sports and one is Esports
What do you do for a living? Eathlete x'D
Esports r video games not sports lol
🤦♂️
You are a boomer
@@HowlKingYT I’m gen z
@@HowlKingYT how r they real sports tell
Me
@@imraangill5630 I agree with you. Just because it’s hard and competitive doesn’t make it a sport.
not sport
Nope, never will
It’s not lol
Gaming is amazing, esports is a money-laundry scam
who's gonna tell him
Problem I have with this is he has the definition of a sport and then says I don’t like that definition and changes the definition so “esports” can be classified as a sport.
“You can’t have injuries unless you have physical exertion”… Yes you can. Taking his example of injuries esports causes is back pain. Why do they injure their backs? Because of being sedentary not because physical exertion. It’s actually the opposite of physical exertion why they have back problems…
It’s ok to have esports and a great community and be competitive and have fun strategizing and improving your gameplay, but why is there this push to try and classify it as a sport. I love esports and find it entertaining. Why can’t it just be called esports?
I would love see these “athletes” try and keep up with an actual athlete
Yeet Yote You aren’t a fan of esports then?
i would love see your "actual athletes" try and keep up with these athletes!
Look. There is a huge difference in lot of games between playing for fun and competitively.
PotatoLicker Don’t call these people athletes. I think that it is fine if you call it Esports, but the men and women competing in these events are not athletes.
axdemax Imagine Bugha competing with LeBron James in any athletic competition
Wut?
It is not.
no
@@Dennis_bao_duy yes, its not a sport
Esports are not athletic. Being a sweaty tryhard is not athleticism.
@Juicyyz Something not being a sport doesnt mean it is easy. Playing piano is not easy, does that mean it is athletic?
@Juicyyz That still doesnt explain why it is a "sport".
@Juicyyz If Esports are real sports, then so is internet shopping. Everything that you say about gaming relates to e-baying.
@JuicyyzFPS Millions of people watch music concerts too. It doesn't make it a sport.
@JuicyyzFPS You haven't given any proof that it's a sport. Only called me a boomer.
A sport is something which requires physical exertion in which teams or individuals compete against each other for entertainment.
E sports isn't a sport.
No physical contest = no sports. This is the same for esports, chess, poker, golf, ... . Noone who says esports are not sports would claim that chess is real sports, but it is usually the first argument by someone who claims that esports is a sport. Also i think it is very dangerous to promote Video Gaming like this, the tremendous health risks especially for children and teenagers have been scientifically proven many times. Even if it doesn't make a young person ill, overall it will undeniably increase myopia and obesity. As a society we shouldn't only think about what sports is by definition but also what sports mean to us. Doing sports should always be considered a good and healthy thing which it is as long as esports is not considered real sports.
4b yea ur right those other games u mentioned actually need a working brain unlike yours
Toni Magz yessir
Well obviously OP never actually watched anything esports related if he says myopia and obesity is increased in esport. But well i guess uninformed boomers and blockheads from "real sports" will never argue with facts ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@sastashroud7646 You do realize that it makes no sense to categorize esports as a health hazard and chess not? They are basically the same thing just different genres. Pretty much any MOBA game works the same way chess does only it' s a billion times more complicated. Instead of a few chess pieces with different movements patterns you suddenly have over 150 of them with multiple different movement and attack patterns that also interact with each other in different ways. Same way as to become a professional chess player, you got to sit a desk for many hours every day and hone your skill set, you also have to do the same thing with many esports. The only difference might be that chess is played way less competitively and doesn't require as much effort put into as esports, where you have to practise 10-12 hours every day otherwise you' l simply fall behind the competition. There is way more competition than in any other sports so i would indeed categorize it as a sport. You need effort, strategy, teamwork and so much more.
Imagine saying golf isnt a sport
Look at all these triggered gamers in the comments who agree with him cause they’re to lazy to actually go outside and play an actual sport. Pathetic
How old are you?
look at this triggered boomer who’s too close-minded to accept the world is progressing in a direction he doesn’t like
Ok boomer
what an adorable projection, seethe harder
as someone who plays competitive highschool basketball and someone who plays League with friends. I completely disagree with you. and will give you a ®️S+ rating for being dslusional.
Virgins really do be saying fattys who spend 50 hours in an apex firing range are sports stars. lol. the copium is too much.
I am gonna have to disagree. Calling esport players athletes majorly downplays the amount of work real athletes do. Yes I know, esports players spend a lot of time practicing, but are they ever gasping for air? Esports do not require physical exertion also. Using injuries as proof of physical exertion is like saying that me stubbing my toe is proof of physical exertion. Great presentation though, it had some nice points
uranfaggit since when are fishermen, shooters, pool players, chess players and others athletes? I guess I did word it incorrectly, but for the record climbers are most certainly gasping for air. I believe that physical sports are things that push your body to its limits. Esports can be anything you want, just not in the same category as physical sports. No disrespect to pro gamers, I for one really like the RLCS in rocket league.
Just saying you can get injured in e sports such as back pain,wrist pain which is very common in e sports players over 50% of players get one these injuries while playing
hamza bashir but that doesn’t prove physical exertion
@@sandwich434 but there is a lot of mental more for esports than real sports
hamza bashir not really. How is something like overwatch more mental than football. In both games you have to think about what to do. In other sports such as long distance running, your mind must be tough to go on.
No
Close minded
Gamertagger mad
It's your opinion
Yes
Your old