Winds of Winter Predictions: The New Long Night
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I would love it if Dany lands in Westeros and it’s deep into winter already.
She and her army would really be at a disadvantage!
Dany still isn't in Westeros!!!! We are 5/7ths through the series. She won't be arriving until the very end of Winds. So she will only be in Westeros for ONE BOOK!!!! Talk about rushing, it will feel worse than the show. At this point, I'd rather GRRM subvert expectations and Dany dies in Essos, or just stays there and rules.
@@kryptiqk2141I bet she comes to Westeros and I bet she'll lose a dragon like in the show. But I hope it plays out a bit different maybe dying fighting the others even idk.
"We could see snow in Dorne, potentially"
Well
The good news is, there was already Snow in Dorne like 17 years ago when Jon was born, so there you have it.
Maybe there was snow in Red mountains, but they expect it to be in deserts and south shores.
Damn.
Is that a reference to the rumours around eddark stark and ashara dayne?
@loveyourselfxx h He could be. If we assume by the time he dies Daenerys is 15 or 16 that makes him 16 or 17
Nice, I just noticed this. Glad I wasn't the only one! It would be hella cool if Jon's birth in Dorne has some effect on things to come.
Hope the people of Westeros stocked up on toilet paper for the long night.
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Haha shiiiettt
The long wipe
The world had a longer night than the show
@@jimbotheimpaler4756 the WipeKing is coming
Jon Snow as the Night King would be a cool and terrifying twist. The hero turns into the most fearsome villain. I do love these prediction videos. I'm keeping a notebook of predictions. Well, one has to keep entertained between house chores. And I agree. An impregnable wall is there to be overrun and destroyed. It's a Titanic kind of thing.
It is even good if some part of jon in wolf and somepart in nightking
"Mr. Bastard, bring down this wall" -Mance Rayder, Winds of Winter, probably..
😂😂
Though it’s tear down this wall
"Last night he dreamt the Winterfell dream again...Only this time the dream had gone further than before. In the dark he heard the scrape of stone on stone. When he turned he saw that the vaults were opening, one after the other. As the dead kings came stumbling from their cold black graves, Jon had woken in pitch-dark, his heart hammering."
I hope this foreshadows Jon getting the Kings of Winter to help in the New Long Night, to echo Aragorn and the army of the dead in LOTR.
I think the dead kings must rise.
Or it could mean that he will end up a dead/zombie King of winter himself. Either way I'm cool.
@@SUPERHONEYBUNNY
That too.
I think Jon will either actually take command of The Others or grant them what they desire, with Bran's helo.
Yeah iv always thought the same ghost of Dunharrow sort of thing, maybe they'll rise after the horn is blown (the horn that wakes the sleepers)
I think it'd be more Martinesque if the dead kings of winter came out to help the Others!
We know it’s a great topic since Quinn put on his starry wisdom glasses
I really like the idea that Euron brings down the wall with the horn of winter which he’ll get at oldtown
Honestly thought that they would get whooped in the show by the others and have to retreat to Essos which Dany had fortified through her conquering because it would have given point in the show to Essos. Then have the others storm kings landing as Cersei gawks and gets nailed by the dead starving masses when they still had her starving (possibly)citizens of King’s Landing.
I hoped for the Others to win
This is why I'm not a fan of Dany. She's in Essos. I don't care about Essos. It's been 5 books. Only 2 to go. Why is Dany not in Westeros yet?
@kryptiqk2141 she is fucking abolishing an entire system called SLAVERY 💀
These videos are absolutely amazing guys thank you. Like 95% of people I hated season 8 (and 7) and kind of fell out of love with game of thrones but these are easing me back in to George's world. One good thing to maybe come out of this Coronavirus shit might be Winds of Winter...can only hope
Paul Wilson I feel the exact same way,LML and Quinn are making me fall back in love
Lol... Praying to the old gods and the new for it. BUT. We cant go get it. The crowds and lines for that book drop!?! Pfft. Wrap me in saran, im headin to barnes and noble...that isnt open.
This aged badly
Imagine if when the wall broke in the show they actually had the whole sky go into a long night. They made the effort in with the red comet in the sky in one of the videos that everyone could see. Damn that was great transitioning they did
"Snow in Dorne"
Side note for Bran playing with magic: I still think he caused the Mad King's "Burn them all". Makes perfect sense, even though they dismissed that in the show.
I think it was Blood Raven. That makes more sense to me. But I agree that someone was telling Aerys shit but i think he thought they were his own voices and never knows. Driving him into complete madness
When the stars align in the sky
Nobody:
The White Walkers: BUT I WOULD WALK 500 miles
AND I WOULD WALK 500 MORE
JUST TO BE THE WIGHT WHO WALKS A THOUSAND MILES
TO BRING DOWN YOUR DOOR
“And that’s fine, we’re moving on” The absolute repressed resentment lmao
"Thousands and thousands of years ago, a winter fell that was cold and hard and endless beyond all memory of man"... I'm guessing I'm not the first to see that this could be wordplay suggesting "a Winterfell that was cold and hard and endless..."? And that a description of a place in these words, sounds like a description which could fit the heart of winter, which Bran sees in his coma dream and is terrified of?
I totally agree with that and with old nan saying the nights king was a stark I feel like he has to be somewhere deep in winterfells crypts.
The books basically did the wight hunt in book one with Ser Allister and the wight's hand. Didn't work, don't think anyone would be dumb enough to try it again.
I gotta be honest this is the only show (lml-and quinideas) that I look forward to and watch as soon as it airs. I check youtube to see if a new video is up even when im doing others stuff. i dont watch lml by himself and i dont watch quin ideas by himself. but when their powers combine They're captin planetos
Jon would be a Stark, a Targaryen, and, if your theory holds, an Other. Talk about a true Night King!
There is no Night King!!!
@@210SAi it's just an idea. calm down.
Im sure someone else has thought of this, but what if the Long Night never happened? What if all these fort names, and stories of darkness are all just bran time traveling to prepare the world for the Others attack?
I was thinking about this like what if the historical figures in the age of heros and the long night didn't actually happen, but are actually visions of the future written down by people in the past?
@@heliopolitan444
It's perfectly possible.
And would make a neat twist.
epundo3 exactly!
Dan N I’ve considered this... I like the idea, and that, assuming Bran becomes king in the books too, he spends his life preparing throughout history for the Long Night
No, that's stupid.
I expect POV chapters of characters from all over Westeros chronicling their fight against the others, I want it to get so desperate that entire regions have to evacuate civilians and have them hold up in certain castles (Casterly Rock, Riverrun, Storms End, and the Red Keep in Kings Landing). I also want history repeating itself sort of by having the undead army purposely starving the people hunkered down in the Eyrie (this would be Sansa's POV chapter chronicling the desperation of the people trapped) in fact it would be so bad that there's a chance that we may see people resort to cannibalism for survival.
I think all the nights king symbolism points that the real power is the Nights Queen Stannis, Aemon one eye they both were heavily influenced by strong mystical Women. The Great Other and The Stranger, IMO are female. She is The Snow Queen, a great and ancient Goddess of Winter. The cruelest aspect of mother nature.
she's right, you know
@@HH-cm5rp
But who will the Queen of Winter be.
Melisandre?
Val?
Mother Mole?
I'd vote for Shireen.
Who could she be? If she's an Other could she still be around? Ice preserves.
@@alanpennie8013 when she gets burned there won't be much left of her. LML thinks Daenerys will be the Night's Queen.
Isn't Val regularly described as pale with blue eyes? It's been a while since I read the books and i wouldn't trust the show depiction even if she was in it.
Still a fan of the idea there's a dragon/s in the bottom of the crypts. Aside from dragonstone, winterfell is the only place in westeros hinted at being suitable for dragons.. and I feel like george wouldn't have included the story about eggs laid in the crypts for nothing either.
There's also hints at there being an ice dragon built into the wall! Part of the magic of the wall is the dragon inside I believe.
Either way, I certainly think we'll see another dragon before the end of the story.
And I believe that is where Jon and fAegon (if he lives and fights in the War for the Dawn) will hatch their own dragons If this whole theory is canonised!
when the winter fell , winterfell will fell
I am re-reading the series right now and am at Storm of Swords. I am SO excited for WoW. Great video.
This video is far better than the entire final season. I can’t wait for the books to come out (whenever that will be).
I always wanted the grand finale of the Long Night to happen at the Isle of Man.
Isle of Faces?
@@made-line7627 Yes! The small island in the middle of a lake South of the Riverlands. It's where the First Men and the Children of the Forest signed their truce. :)
Man you two are killing it, these videos are great. Thank you so much for these, we need them during these strange times. I think I can speak for everyone saying how much we appreciate the work and you. Thanks again.
I’m totally with you on the long night episode LML I thought it was going to be hands down the greatest episode of TV ever made up until the last 5mins. When John starts running at the Night King and the NK turns around and raises the dead I told my GF “well they’ve lost. John needs to get on the dragon with Danny and get out of there”.... and when that didn’t happen I just kept saying “no no no..” lol but all the mistakes would’ve been forgiven if they would’ve just lost and had to fall back because then you could chalk it up like yeah they made mistakes that’s why they lost.... I just don’t understand narratively speaking how you can have a threat that everyone is saying the whole world needs to unite to stop and also have a castle said to be able to house the whole kingdom in Harrenhall and you don’t use it lol... mark my words ALL the kingdoms of men will gather and unite at Harrenhall at some point in the story they just have too lol
Thomas Smithson I’m so glad I didn’t see any of that season 8 crap
That’s a popular opinion but not one I share. I think parts of seasons 5-6 were bad and most of seasons 7-8 were bad but not all. None of the seasons are as good as the books for sure but I don’t see them as the same so I don’t really compare them. I go by how much enjoyment I got from watching the episodes and talking about them with friends. Hardhome and battle of the bastards are some of the best hours of television every created so to call the whole season “bad” would be letting my emotions cloud my judgement which is what I think most people do when it comes to this show. Fully understandable but I don’t agree.
You think the best episode on television would be a huge battle episode?? Then I guess you think The Avengers movies are the best movies ever too. Sorry but for an episode to be the best on TV, it needs an exceptional level of writing and Oscar-worthy acting, and of course it should be a changing point in the series. That’s why Breaking Bad’s Ozymandias is still the best TV episode, and a lot others too. I’ll give points to Battle of the Bastards for the outstanding cinematography and production, and because of being a satisfying moment. The Long Night was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen on TV.
Arian Serrano First off you can go fuck yourself coming at me like that and trying to straw man me and insult my intelligence because you don’t share an opinion you think I have. Second off I agree with you the long night episode is horrible and third I also agree with you that Breaking bad Ozymandias is probably the best episode of television ever made. I was describing the emotions I was feeling while watching the episode for the first time not how I feel about it in general or with hindsight. Also action scenes/movies have their place in cinema just as well as outstanding character actors and amazing dialogue and to write it off is stupid. A good fight scene takes just as much talent and skill to create as anything else in film.
@@KingOfWinter If we agree on most things then why tf are you insulting when I didn’t even insult you? The reason I said that is because I am fcking tired of people praising a movie/tv show because of spectacle and action. And saying “action have their place in cinema just as well as outstanding character actors and amazing dialogue and to write it off is stupid” With that logic movies like 300, Transformers, and The Avengers would be as good as The Godfather and Shawshank Redemption. Here’s the difference, a great team of writers and actors can do something amazing with a small budget(the Fly episode in Breaking Bad is an example), and if they have a bigger budget, even better, but a mediocre writer can only hide his flaws by impressing the audience with spectacle, so they rely HEAVILY on the production team. I loved the BotB, and I praise it highly for the cinematography and mindblowing production. But the writing of the episode and the overall season is mediocre. It perfectly could’ve been a fan fiction with massive budget. Yes action can be amazing, but it’s much better when the writing behind it is also amazing, otherwise it’s just action for the sake of action. Battle of Blackwater is IMO a much better episode, the dialogue scenes from Cersei and Tyrion was top notch.
This episode - from this series of twow predictive vids - was an absolute banger, my fav so far.... Especially the discussion towards the end of the vid, till the end
-has got to be my favorite professional, yes, professional collabs of you both. Like harmony. You two coming together.
...hell, ya said it yourself in this vid
Crazy idea: suppose the earth were to stop spinning. That would hide the sun from a lot of people for a while. And if it lasted long enough it would scorch the other side of the world. I said it before: we have no record of the Long Night form anywhere sharing a longitude with Valryia. No such legend from the Ghis, nor Qarth. The last two are places Daenerys has spent a good deal of time in and should hear of these things. Valyria is said to be the land of the Long Summer, maybe they had a summer/day parallel to the Long Night.
There's just one problem with that, the apocalyptic destruction caused by the inertia of everything on the surface of the planet, as it all was previously spinning at around 1.000 mph (Earth's terms). I believe an eclipse would be more fitting.
We’re living through the real life long night rn, I must say, it sucks. A lot.
Our Watch Continues!
"They'll just dance lol"
The shadows have come to dance my lord, dance my lord
Maybe George will wind up doing that time skip between 6 & 7 and we can fit a generation in there
The real long night is coming.
...and toilet paper will *not* be featured.
Coldhands told Sam about then magic of The Wall on how it requires the men of the nights watch to be true.
We know that as of the mutiny against Jon Snow, two Lord Commanders have now been Killed by their brothers and Jon has first men blood.
I'll assume the magic of the wall breaking will begin the Long Night, if I'm right it goes a long way explaining the events that in the north, the attack at the Fist, (which killed the most loyal brothers, leaving only the scoundrels), Sam being saved by Coldhands. As well as Jon ascension to lord commander, by landslide, which was strange because he was being accused of desertion at the time.
Could these events have the same two architects? It's a thought.
Best video I've watched of all of youtube in the last month. You are the 0.01% percent.
Samwell Tarly constantly references “SNOW FALLING” upon The Brothers of The Night’s Watch during the attack of The Others & their Wights at The Fist of The First Men!
I think Jon Snow will be possessed for a time during the next book.
I do believe Littlefinger has been doing some serious prepping, collecting all that grain.
Maybe he really is a greenseer.
That would be horrible if hes a greenseer. 0 foreshadowing.
Wait. You're blowing my mind. Jon's spirit would be inside Ghost and his body would be walking around undead? Oh, man. That would be awesome.
Spend a single winter in Ireland. You'll quickly realise the mechanism of the long night.
I've been living here for almost 10 years and the words "winter is coming" hit different here.
when the first long night fell, mankind was in the bronze age, they didn,t have then umbers, and they didn't have the technology to face the ww. Now they have steel, they have armour, they have bigger and stronger castles, even with the civil war, I still think they outnumber the first men.
i found the beginning of this SO funny, the grim quote that transitioned into the two of them in winter gear indoors? the shabby snow effect? the random stalactites?? quinn going "we want the winds of winter george!" and then catching himself like "take your time.... but we ARE ready" there were many comical layers (figuratively and also literally, i mean; a ushanka? for real?) to it
Jesus Christ the artwork you guys have in your videos are amazing. You need to put links to all these artist or just a list of their names. Also love your videos
they should all be captioned with the proper name of the work and the artist, so all you have to do is put both in the search field and you'll find it
Lucifer means Lightbringer sure it just means I have to pause at the right points or scrub to find them but it doable. Found a couple doing that 👍
Two thoughts.... determining causation. Did dragons bring magic back to the world or did dragons come back because magic was returning? Also... the most common cruelest curse (aka "Go to Hell") is "Others Take You".... and if memory serves, this is not isolated to Westeros. I believe it's been said in many places in Planetos.... Were there "others" on the other continents?
Great video as always fellas. Loved the winter-y effects.
Quinn your voice never fails to give me some deep chills❄❄🤣
Those icicles and snow are hilarious! You guys really make the videos great!
You guys make a great team. You perfectly capture the brilliance of the series, and I love the music you use.
I feel like I have to say it: you two have just my kind of style
Quinn you have a beautiful voice that is very mesmerizing. You should do audio books, especially your own reading of ASOIF.
I know this video is over a year old, but I was hoping in the show that the Night King would fly Viserion and some of his generals to Kings Landing and build a second army of wights to hit Winterfell from the South while the rest of his generals came from the North. The other main characters (and the audience) see the army from the South approaching and for a brief moment, they think Cersei kept her word, but then they realize that isn't the case and that it's a whole new army of wights. Not only that, but the realization that Kings Landing has fallen and so have many other towns/cities along the way would hit, too. The absolute existential dread of that moment would have been legendary. I also didn't think the Night King would be stupid enough to expose himself to his enemies deep inside their territory, knowing his entire mission and existence could end with one lucky shot from the enemy, especially since he knows they know how to kill him....silly me.
Anyway, I've always felt like an ice dragon would make its way into the book series somehow. I never knew about the picture of the shadowed three-headed dragon and the shadowed fourth dragon. That's pretty dope. My question is if an ice dragon is triple the size of a normal dragon, what is a normal dragon's average size? The Targaryen's dragons became smaller over time due to different restricted environments, but I'm wondering if Balerion and Vhagar are the standard based off Valyria's dragons since they came from there? None of the other Targaryen dragons lived long enough to reach their size, though a few came somewhat close. I'm thinking an ice dragon is massive and much larger than all three of Dany's juvenile dragons combined, especially if ice dragons have existed undisturbed to the point of being thought of as myths for the most part. I don't know. Fun to think about.
"We dont have generations to wrap this series up" *checks the internet* too late...
"Tear down this wall!" - Did you just imply I was a wildling?! 😆
If Jon is reborn, won't he be trapped by the magic of the wall & have to wait for it to fall to face the others? Remember the Good Queen couldn't make her dragon cross the wall. I think the warding works on both sides of the wall. When you think of Mirror Max Durs flames there is a man of fire and the face of a wolf; magic is magic, one force they all feed on but why is it flowing irregularly & why does that alter the length of the seasons?
Guys I love your TWOW prediction videos. You guys are the best imho. Please more ASOIAF / book related videos please. Thank you
Omg the two of you nerding out is so awesome. Would love to be in that room with a joint and a six pack 😆
The real winds of winter is the friends we made along the way
Remember the LONG NIGHT in the show's S07 E03? Remember how the LONG NIGHT lasted half a night? Didn't even last until morning lolll. Was literally a short night! Hahahahaha it was fun
I love how y’all threw Obama in the mix on the table 😂 😂 😂
Yeah you know, what the heck
I'm definitely behind the idea that the Others are looking for Jon, at least in part of what they are looking to do. Your guys' and others' previous analysis of the GOT prologue supports it for me.
This whole series was fire. Great job boys. Was that a Barack Obama Sand on the table in the back lol, hilarious.
I normally I don't like it when two guys just sit at the table and talk I like graphics and visuals in voice overs, but you guys have solid voice and good sound effects and good solid speed. I actually enjoyed this video quite a bit and I look forward to more.
As a horned god, Bran has to die in the Winter (at Winterfell?) to be reborn in the Spring as the new King.
There is no way he will be able to cram every storyline & ending into 2 more books, unless they are MASSIVE books.
Btw Quinn you need to do a big episode or even a series on The Dark Tower.
That was cool as hell.Been following you guys for years.Have heard all your theories,but this series is awsome primes tha reader for rereads and of course WoW. Keep it coming,handsome dudes.
Nice thabks Quinn. Im going to still check that full stream out in sure you guys had fun
"The regular length night" cracks me up every time I watch this video 😂😂😂😂
I'm loving the filter and the sun glasses. I agree the chekhov's gun is the giant wall of ice.
What if they go under the Wall like in Gorin's way?
There is a Weirwood Throne in the Vale. It's Sweetrobins🤣
Night's King wasn't a leader of the Others. He was a normal human that gave his children to the others like craster. His wife now she may have been an other. 🥶
Yeah and that sucker just screams out with symbolism. The entire Eyrie is saturated with Other symbolism - blue veined, snowy-white white marble, Lysa as a Night Queen, and lots more. And then in the middle of this gods-forsaken ice castle, we find... A boy... On a weirwood throne. I'm not sure exactly what it means but... Do the Others want Bran for a king? If Bran goes the way of Euron, will be end up a white walker king? Is there a weirwood or a greenseer at the Heart of Winter? What do you think it means?
@@DavidLightbringer I think he could be a warg like his cousin but the Vale is also a pretty neat environment like you said it's a place that were told over and over again is impregnable (minus dragons) watching the others slowly turn that whole valley to Ice would be so cool. And tragic because if you can't fly out the whole place is a death trap.
Rewatching this series and eagerly awaiting your next collaboration.
I like your opening read with the creepy music in the background. Feels like im watching some crazy anime.
You guys and this content is just epic. Thank you so much!! You look awesome Quin!
Old Nan is the nights king confirmed!
Where did that wise old woman go? Taken prisoner by the Bolton’s I believe.. below the Dreadfort? What if she turns up at winterfell after the battle of Ice.
You two are really killing it with these TWOW videos. Thanks for the content!
What if the ice dragon is laying dormant inside the wall, waiting for someone to blow the Horn of Joramun? I believe there are references of people saying the wall acts like it has a kind of its own. Like when it shook off some sheets of ice when the wildlings along with Jon tried to climb it.
Hope that the fact that everyone is supposed to be staying home cause of Covid-19 maybe GRR Martin will finally finish W.O.W. Oh wait gotta wait til the book stores open....
Jon Snow:
The statement connected to both Jon, and Daenerys, is “the prince that was promised”. But promised to whom, or what? This is never elaborated upon. It is left for readers to conclude its meaning. It is not at all clear what it is that Jon needs to do in order to fulfill the prophecy.
What is this story about, really:
There are no clear lines drawn. We know that a long night is coming, and the others will be invading the Seven Kingdoms. It is not really stated in the books what this means. Some characters view it in as, an Ice vs Fire, yin vs yang, good vs evil, battle for all life on the planet. But is this really the case? GRRM doesn't like black and white, he's writes his characters as gray. Does this mean that the others, contrary to the TV show, will have the ability to communicate and express their reason(s) for coming south? Also, one must be aware that even with gray writing, when it comes to the end it is less likely to be as gray as it has been. Eventually, people written as gray must eventually move either to black or white for the final battle, won't they? It has absolutely happened in our real world that not comprehending an opponent's intentions, culture, desires, or wants, lead to divisions that become polar (black and white). A great example of this is how after WWI the West completely dismissed Japan's part in the war and gave them nothing, in fact there were naval pacts created afterward to limit their navy. At the same time Japan was happy to have played a part in the success of WWI and rightfully expected to be seen as an equal at the bargaining table, which they were not. This led to divisions and changed how Japan viewed the West. It effected their actions in Manchuria and later toward the US. So not having the will to understand an opponent is a hubris that can lead to destruction on a massive scale. And it's not black and white at the start, it's gray, but when the war starts it turns black and white, us vs them, etc. Sometimes, important people come to realize it is not black and white and work with like-minded members of the opposing side. This is reminiscent to how the first Pact was made between the First Men and the Children of the Forest. GRRM is getting at something here with this story, but it is unknown what that something is. If it can be figured out, perhaps other puzzle pieces will be recognized and become able to easily fall into place. So far as I can tell, the story has been thus far an allegory for a coming Ice Age. Cold comes down from the North and if people do not move South, they parish. Logically speaking, any Long Night would cool the planet and start one of these. Its intensity depends on the length of the night. All of which plays into GRRM's story thus far. What the Others have to do with it is uncertain.
The Others:
Who are they? Do they want something? Are they capable of communicating? Can they be bargained with? It is all unknown. The only writings tell of a Pact between the Children of the Forest and the First Men, not the Others and the First Men. The books identify no King of the Others. If these people are indeed related to the Children of the Forest then I would suspect their hierarchy to be the same. If one can figure out how leadership is done within the various Children of the Forest camps then I would suspect the others will have a similar form. If, like shown in the HBO show, the Children of the Forest created the first Other, did they create more than one? If they created only the single Other, it is likely that person is the one to create more (not talking about white walkers), however, if all are thralls to the one that created them, then there is really no need for a King because there is really only one true Other, the rest being created by him, as are the dead frozen white walkers the one Other reanimates. It all depends on what the Others actually are when considering a possibility of there being a King. It appears clear that Bran seen them far above the point of Always Winter in his fever dream as he lay in a coma, being coaxed to learn to fly by the three-eyed crow. From those passages, and other tales from sailors that returned from the Northern most reaches of the Shivering Sea, it appears that magical creatures live in the area the farthest North in the world. Did the Children of the Forest create all of them, did the one Other they created also create the creatures when he created more Others? All questions that right now have no answers.
So how will it all end:
Honestly, I have no idea. I can not say with any degree of certainty or satisfaction what, Jon, Daenerys, Arya, Tyrion, Jaime, and Cersi Lannister, Brianne of Tarth, or any other character will do moving forward, or if any of all will live through it to the end. All the old legends and prophecies are steeped in so much symbolism to make such predictions mere speculation at this point. Key questions remain about very important details that will mean a lot to the ending, and this is not even considering the coming Spring or Summer. At this point no one but GRRM, and maybe one or two hand-picked authors, knows where this is going. It is why there is so much anticipation in the coming book(s). I know I'm eager to get my hands on the Winds of Winter.
What I hope will happen"
Given the fact that GRRM doesn't like to write in terms of black and white, I'm leaning more toward a theory that somehow humans caused something, perhaps unintentionally, that needs to be fixed. This something needs to be identified then repaired. It would deal with healing something, like the Weirwood, or someone like the Night King or Others. This makes it so black and white does not really exist. It leans more in the direction of how the Japanese were treated after WWI. Conscious entities have points of view, and in the books we have not been given any from the Others or Children of the Forest. No point of view from an aspect that allows one to clearly understand, "OH, okay, I see, they didn't realize they did "this" so it caused "that" and now this must be healed so that will be okay again. Why this is the case it then the whole story would be spoiled and understood and everyone could then predict the end. This would not be so good, but it must come out at some point in the books or how can it be fixed? I like the healing part. Maybe with green dragon glass, something gets healed and not simply killed.
I do understand what you're saying here. I agree with the sentiment, at least. But, in the immortal words of pooh bear, "that was so very many words, for so very little meaning."
@@heatherwillis-kershner1973 Yes, it is. I'm still a novice writer and I'm working to become more concise. I have a bad habit of my thoughts wandering, and I type where I wander. =)
@@InterestedAmerican you're doing well to try, we need more writers
It’s comments like these that support a character limit from TH-cam.
I thought it would be cool if it were the others that made the wall and it protects them from summer. They can open a gate and crosss the wall at will, they dont need to break it.
I think a fundamental problem with George's writing is that he saw that some of his ideas got a very unfavorable response and the final outcome (Danny going mad) was vastly unpopular. I think at this point he wants to deviate from everything the showrunners mangled and this means a complete rewrite of his initial ideas.
Hi Quinn and LmL, not a complain but an observation. I thought you guys would cover what’s happening in the Vale, Winterfell and Kings Landing then wrap up with this video. Thanks for another epic video. ❤️🌹
I love the idea of Jon Snow as the Night King
They also say in the lore that Ice Dragons are roughly 3x the size of even full grown regular dragons.
Mmmmm..the Ice Dragon! I had not recalled they were so huge! I love this 💕
I loathe how the short night was portrayed on the show. The Night King was Mary Sued by Arya. I doubt that a dragon will be used 2 bring down a bit of the Wall.
Loving this playlist guys! Thank you! you're doing amazing
I have figured one big change to show's episode "The Long Night" that wouldn't change the following three episodes nor would it change the core plot beats of the episode itself, and yet it would still make it a thousand times better and may even redeem the plotline in some eyes. Because I am autistic and creative and determined and procrastinating and this is just what I do.
In "Knight of the Seven Kingdoms", in the battle-planning scene, we have the characters coming up with a decent plan (a stated plan never happens), each character learning from their past to contribute. Jon then gives a speech and the camera focuses on him, but you can also see in the background Bran is warging and looking to the wall behind Jon. After Jon's speech, Bran interupts and says "That won't work, here's what we do", and then it cuts away and we go on.
In "The Long Night", it's not the battle plan we saw (thankfully) but it's also not a linear one. In the writers room, basically expand upon the "decent plan" by having the White Walkers have unknown powers or overwhelming numbers or whatever to counter it (like Rheagar being fireproof), but then also formulate a counter-attack plan against that, and do this back and forth a few times and then impliment that into the episode. So, the audience will watch the White Walkers pull the rug from under the characters (like they try to sneak into through the sewers; not really but as an example) and then our heroes be hiding under the rug with a knife (and the heroes are there with their Valyrian swords to cut them down in an ambush). This happens throughout, playing with reversals and creating the mystery as to how the heroes know what's going to happen.
At the end of the episode, Arya runs past the White Walkers to kill the Night King, she's an assassin so they don't notice her until it's too late, they try to grab her but she's too quick, but then they scream out. The Night King's eyes widen and it slows down as he quickly spins around, sword out, and we see Arya get decapitated in a brual slow-motion shot. We linger on this shot for all the reactions, but then it begins to reverse in slow-motion, and we see Bran is warging.
We then see reverse shots of key moments in the battle and even the prior episode, going back in time. We see reverse-slow-motion shots of Arya's death, the dragons in the sky, that one cool shot of Tormund and dragon fire, we see x character's sad death, and we see morning preparations for the battle, and then we come back to the battle-plan scene. Jon is giving the speech and this time the camera moves to focus on Bran warging. Then the whole camera rotates around Jon, revealing back-to-back with Jon a standing Bran, only visible to past Bran who is staring at him, as we see him finishing explaining how to counter the last thing we saw them counter in the episode, and this future Bran disappears, immediately replaced by another standing Bran who says "That won't work, here's what we do. The Night Kill will kill Arya". It then cuts back to the end of Jon's speech and once again we see Bran unwarg and say "That won't work, here's what we do".
We then get forward-slow-motion shots of all the ones we've seen before. Also trippy music for these sequences would be neat. We see most things happen again, except now we also see the battle preparations include the construction of an extension to a parapet in the Godswood, we see Bran talking to character x, and we see an alternative version of character x's death wherein they actually survive (and this character is instrumental to Bran being selected as King i guess, like Tyrion of Grey Worm).
In the end, we see Arya now running over the roofs, along this parapet (so the White Walkers don't notice her or alert the Night King) and she jumps onto him. We can still have the Night King swing at her but miss (because she's in the sky, unexpected) and then still grab her by the neck, just adding more tension right at the end. But, she does the hand swap thing and stabs him, and that move basically symbolises the whole attack strategy, counter-the-counter-with-a-counter. And it ends the same way, the Night King dying.
This both actually has Bran doing something, mindfucks the audience so they're too blown away by the reveal that they'll care less that it was Arya doing the killing, has cool cinematography baked into it, and shows that they must have lost this battle countless times for Bran to figure out how to beat the Night King, and thus, as Bran has lived the battle so many times, over and over, for him it really was the Long Night.
One fundemental change to a single episode, with the same plot points remaining intact, and the following episodes not changed in the slightest, and it could salvage at least that episode and redeem aspects of the Long Night storyline.
One other thought - it's not an "ice" weight... or "ice" magic - It's fire magic and FROZEN fire magic, I think. There is water magic, used mostly by the Rhoynar... and fire/blood magic. I'd imagine combining all of those sources would be the most powerful... but who knows? I still want to know why there are hell-houd gargoyles at Dragonstone... Is the dire wolf a counterpart to the dragons somehow? Nobody has really explored the significance of the dire wolves... even though all the statues of the kings of winter had one sculpted at their feet. I've heard very little about them.
I have a theory that george will use the long night to make the five year gap he initially intended, like is a good moment to make the caracters grow up without much thing having to happen during the long night, not sure how, but i think that during this time he wont need to much flashbacks to tell what happened, all the caracters will just be surviving, so it could work better
In the show had the Others just went around Winterfell Daernys and Jon Snow army would have literally just starved or died in the cold.
I'd love to hear one of you guys do a video just on the Wall itself. Was it actually created by magic and/or by Bran the Builder? Or just by hundreds of years of the Night's Watch slowly adding layer upon layer of ice? Did it exist before the Night's King and Castle Black, or afterwards? Were the other fortresses made after it? Is there possibly a layer of stone wall much like Hadrian's Wall at the very base of it, upon which the ice was added? Was it made to keep the White Walkers away from humans ... or the other way around? If it has magical protections built in, why does it need to be so tall? Are there any sections that might have collapsed, considering the hundreds of years of decline in the Night's Watch population? What's the story of that Heart Tree tunnel? And do/did the Children of the Forest/Weirwood network have any role in its creation or in its powers? Why is magic stronger there? Did giants, or ice dragons, or an ancient nation of dragon riders based out of Asshai have any role in its creation or fortification? Are there any Pink Floyd albums that might be relevant to it? Fans need to KNOW!
Quinn, lunch a spotfy channel. Most of the time i just hear you, and Yt consumes a lot of internet when a wanna use it on my phone.
20:00 Fire and blood mentioned that Jace's dragon LAYS EGGS WHILE AT WINTERFELL. WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS
The long night could be caused by some sort of celestial body blocking the sun. Basically a prolonged eclipse. Maybe that body is where the others first came from.
Q i didn’t realize u had ur own channel instantly subscribed
Despite having not posted before, I've always enjoyed Quinn's channel. Having LL as a co-host has only enhanced the thought provoking deep discussion. I am entertaining the thought, the Others and White Walkers totally ignore Winterfell (w/o our heroes knowledge) and head south to King's Landing first. After they've decimated King's Landing, they head to and surround Winterfell as that's the castle best designed/equipped to hold off the undead d/t the Hot Springs and defenses. Why risk splitting or even attempting to overtake the biggest threat when you can add more undead and make it even more overwhelming?
I DO believe Melissandre will sacrifice Stannis' daughter as Castle Black is invaded but ends up bringing back Jon as they retreat towards Winterfell.
I absolutely lost it here 22:14 LMAO
oh damn I missed that on first watch LOLOL
Aah yes, show build up, long night lasting for years, literal apocalyptic war. Show, one long episode solved by one girl stabbing one cold boi.
Regarding Bran in the cripts and the Others moving on: in the Prologue, after the fight with Royce ends, they leave Will atop the tree. So they might 1) have definite objectives in mind and 2) not be "supernaturally" aware of everything.
Here's an idea; in parallel to the first book with the comet, the coming darkness/cold/(moon meteors?)etc. is in the background of the chapters throughout TWOW across continents. Like the comet was for fire but now it's time for ice
I love Quinn's glasses a lot!