Winds of Winter Predictions: Mad Queen Cersei
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I'm so happy that the ASOIAF community have not given up on the story after the terrible job on the last seasons of GoT. Those books are one of the most treasured things for me and the community being alive reminds me that there are still 2 amazing books incoming.
Are they though?
Last seasons of the show? More like the whole show. Seriously I hate the fact you people are called book "fans" when its clear you are not. They have ruined everything in the show.
@Chaz Bustos The first four seasons werent loyal to the source material, the white walkers for example is one proof of that.
Not to mention everything about Stannis, just be honest that you never read the books.
If George manages to finish the main story SoIaF will be, along with LOTR the best fantasy series ever, if he manages to finish with fire and blood and dunk and egg and some other stuff, it may be the greatest ever
I never understood how show Cersei could BLOW UP THE SEPT in the middle of political unrest and nothing happened to her?
That's like the equivalent to the Vatican blowing up.
But I forgot D&D can barely follow cause and effect
It would be more like the SECOND most important temple... The Starry sept of Oldtown is the first.
But she basicaly killed the pope.
lullaby SAME!
They kinda forgot about consequences....
Yeah the show made no sense. The people would have risen up and killed Lannister soldiers every chance they had. You can’t just blow up a religious house of worship and suffer no consequences
@@holden3016 literally. It would have been Rhaenyra Targaryen all over again, with the smallfolk rioting against her. It doesn't matter that Cersei has soldiers, Rhaenyra had them too, as well as a whole boatload of fucking dragons, and she was still chased out of KL by the common people. It boggled my mind how nothing happened to Cersei on the show, and how she still had allies somehow cause dUh, RaCiSm and xEnOpHoBiA. God, if the pope got killed irl by some president, I'm willing to bet every country in the world regardless of religion would rise up to bring the person responsible to justice.
Quinn reading from the book was awesome
He's so good at it!
So Quinn and LmL, do you think Dany will end up with Cersei’s fleet that Aurane Waters ran off with? You guys have so much to cover. Stuff are jumping off with Little Finger in the Vale, the lack of provisions for the Winter, what plans does Euron have for OldTown, etc, etc. I think you need an extra 23 days to cover everything and since we will all be stuck indoors, perhaps you should do a couple live-streams each week if it make financial sense.
LOL....GRRM will never finish this series. How can he? There is too much to cover to fit into 2 books. And no way GRRM has enough time left to finish 3 massive tombs.
You guys have no idea how greatful i am for this series.
I really appreciate the time research and energy you two put in these videos. Thank you.😇🥰🥰🥰👍🙏🙏🙏👏👏💝💝💝
aww thanks dany bey!
@@DavidLightbringer 😘
Will Margery Tyrell have ANOTHER husband in Faegon In ToW?
Ive read a theory that says sansa will marry faegon due to some tourney prophrcy i read it about two years ago and foumd it convincing the ashford theory i think it was
@@Queenofthemall1445 If she marries fAegon, that means she's siding against Stannis. If she's siding against Stannis, she's siding against Rickon Stark and Jon Snow, if he comes back to life.
@@gfilmer7150 dont forget that jons heritage will come into play as well. Stannis might die and Melisandre will name Jon his heir as Azor Ahai and Rhaegars trueborn son unlike faegon.
@@andreaspapapap7737 I know Stannis will die eventually but that won't be against The Boltons. It might be against fAegon or even Euron if that theory ever comes true that the two will fight in a dual. I was hoping that The Mannis would die on the line front lines, defending his kingdom against The Others, a kingdom he never got to rule because of political intrigue, corruption, betrayal, and civil war. If that doesn't happen and Stannis dies fighting either fAegon or Euron, Jon Targaryen can rally The Northerners and what remains of Stannis' army to join Daenerys and take down fAegon so they can get him out of the way and concentrate on The Others.
@@gfilmer7150 Where's this Euron vs Stannis duel theory, so I can read it? :)
Cersei was always the mad Queen not Daenerys! She's going 2 burn King's Landing with Wildfire not the Dragon Queen! Dany will burn the Others with Dragon 🔥. Remember her dragon dreams.
Quinn is part of the 1%.... of people who can pull off a fedora
Can't believe this video is three years old
Love these videos! Keep up the awesome job!
Patiently waiting to read tf outta this book
This series are awesome, thank so much for it!! 🙌🏻
Are you going to make a Euron video?
Yes!
Saving the very best for last.
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Can't wait. I'm digging the new format.
@@QuinnsIdeas Thank you!😊
@@Huffman_Tree no we are moving geographically, and the next 3 will be in Oldtown: Sam, Euron, The Hightowers.
Like for Bernie tshirt :)
But also for the great video, as usual!
Cleaning out the shire metaphor works with Jamie having done the opposite.
Cersei is the Mad Queen NOT Daenerys.
LmL looking cool AF lol
Will faegon have a dragon?
Why are you guys showing faegon with black hair? He has the Targaryen white silver hair
Becouse he used blue dye to hide his Valyrin blood.
@@diegoolivaresgonzalez42 that's not blue it's brown
To be honest I think Dany will become the Mad Queen. Cersei will go off the rails but it will be Dany who gets the name.
I think the general idea of the finale is actually pretty good and could have been the ending Game of Thrones deserved. Except it got trampled by D&D ineptitude when trying to go from point A to point B, turning it into the bottomless pit it is today.
I doubt it, book Dany isn't show Dany.
I don't know that there needs to be two mad queens...
I think Cersei will cause destruction and pain and somehow Dany is going to get blamed for it. History will remember Dany as somebody evil who caused destruction but it won't be true.
@@ashleyofnaath
That is a very good objection to what we saw in the show.
Making a prediction? The book is never coming out
UNLIKE THE TV SHOW, cersei's actions will have consequences
Even George RR Martin himself has said decisions have consequences in his world
@@killer92173 R.I.P Quentyn Martell
Exactly. If she does blow up the Tyrells in the Sept of Baelor then the nobles, common people who already hate her will definitely cheer and side with anyone who comes to REMOVE HER from power. The people of Westeros had every reason to welcome Daenerys home in the last 2 seasons because they hate Cersei and she saved them from an apocalypse.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 It because D and D are Goldman Sachs princelings that wanted to make out that the one who was tackling the system was the dangerous monster not the privileged elite of Cersei Lannister because they likely prefer the privileged elite.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 exactly! In the show, Cersei should have been done the moment she blew up the Sept and the High Sparrow. The people should have rioted and ousted her from KL out long before Dany even landed. The only way she could have kept power was to become the most brutal of tyrants-which would make anyone on the throne a better option. But since DnD were working from the ending, they removed all consequences for her actions to keep Lena on the show and create contrived bullshit to turn Dany into Hitler long before she actually did anything to warrant people's animosity.
I’ve had patience, but man I need Winds of Winter. Imagine it dropping today and getting to stay home for two weeks reading it in quarantine. Come on, George. We are depending on you to pull us through this.
Gods be good...cmon!!
Maybe this virus will inspire some plot in his book and make him write lol
@@manofhonor1685 - For REAL 😩 Now his ass HAS to stay at home & write, dammit! So give us that book so we can enjoy it right now dammit! RIGHT. THE. F*CK. NOW. 😒📖💯
Where does he get the art
It’s dope cause that can still happen!!!
Theres a theory Cercei's foot was infected during her walk and that it will be cut off. Jaime was holding Cersei's foot when they were born. So like how Jaimes hand was cut off, Cercei's foot will be amputated
That could be an interesting symbolism for their "break up". But I'm not sure I buy that just because Jamie's hand was a lot more symbolic for him and could still represent their separation on it's own. Cersei has so much other stuff going on that her loosing a foot would be more of a distraction than a consequence.
@@CZ-dg7te Not if they continuously harp on Jaime holding Cersei's foot as he came into the world.
Thanks for that one - our author does like his parallelisms!
Oh, I love this one.
Not sure about her dying with Jaime, in his Weirwood dream, she leaves him alone with Brienne, their swords are lit, but his sword goes out leaving Brienne alone. That makes it seem like she dies, then he dies, leaving Brienne alive. Could be totally wrong, but I'd bet on a weirwood dream over something Cersei thinks will happen.
I love that little dream sequence.
I thought the swords were about his honor. But I haven’t thought it through.
I just hope he kills Cersei.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Anything but that weak show ending. They both deserved better than that. If they wanted that ending, they should have skipped the Bronn assassination plot, that made it nonsensical. 'She wants me dead... I must return at once!'
Sydni Taylor ew
"Queen you will be, until there comes another, younger and more beautiful". Could be Aegon who is younger and more beautiful, never says it's gonna be a queen.
Good catch.
Of course it will be fAegon.
That'd be dope, Cersei thinking it's Margaery, the reader thinking it's Dany, but it's really a third thing that you wouldn't expect
@@elliotburns4961 would be very grrm to let us think we have it all figured out, and then pull the rug out from under us.
My prediction is Sansa. She could possibly marry (f)Aegon as a parallel of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York at the end of the War of the Roses.
@@daisycook2366 True but then she's made herself an enemy of RIckon and Jon since those two are with Stannis Baratheon.
Oh how I need WoW to purge my memory of the last few seasons of GoT.
I think Cersei would be the evil mad queen in the books, not Daenerys.
Definitely Cersei is a vindictive and evil woman who will do anything to have power and stay in control. She’s also very paranoid like Aerys was and sadistic. I can see her brining something in kings landing and faegon comes in takes her prisoner and he in turn will lose his mind due to the greyscale infection and dany instead of pursuing the throne she goes to defeat the others in the north and save the world while also bringing together the realm
hope so I like Danny
It would explain why she had so little to do in the last season if they gave her genocide to Dani
I've gotta say, I don't think there is a single other series of videos that captures the passion and love for ASOIAF as a series that many have.
I really appreciate your guys' work!
The thing about taking that assurance from Cersei and Jaime that they'll die together at face value, for me, is that Cersei is so often wrong, particularly about Jaime. And his whole thing is growing away from her, and away from who she thought he was and what they were going to be. If they do die together obviously it's going to be because of the Valonquar prophecy, but something doesn't sit right with me about Cersei being right about them dying together when her whole thing is always being wrong about people, especially Jaime. I think them not dying together would be more satisfying just because it's the final blow to her idea that they're destined and tied together
I definitely think Cersei will go full Mad Queen in the books, her chapters are difficult to get through for me because I can't stand her because she's so hateful lol. I agree that Cersei is the true heir to King Aery's madness Jaime even compares her to Aerys. I do believe originally supposed to go full mad queen on the show after her miscarriage scene but D&D cut her miscarriage scene and switched roes between Cersei and Daenerys because they wanted to be unpredictable, it's why some people hated the ending. Daenerys postponed her quest for the throne to defeat the dead because she knew that they were the true enemy and Cersei held her armies back because she saw it as a way to rid her of her enemies.
I absolutely loved Cersei's chapters in AFFC.
cersei is aerys daughter. all about wildfire and ripping tongues out.
Cersei held back her armies in the show because somehow she was the smartest leader at that point, hahahaha
In the books it is Dany who miscarries.
This video series is amazing
It would be extremely poetic if it turns out Jaime and Cersei were actually Aerys and Joanna's kids and Tyrion was Tywin's only true child and Jaime killed his own father and Cersei was mad like Aerys. I know it's probably not the case, but it would be very poetic if it was. It would explain the madness, it would explain why Tywin would hate Tyrion even more, it would explain the Twincest, it would explain Jeoffrey's madness, and it would make the whole cannibalism of who gets to rule Kings Landing all the more poetic, if it turns out the whole time Jaime and Cersei had been working against their true family the whole time, that Daenerys and F'Aegon are at war with their own family and that ironically the whole time Jeoffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen are all legitimate claimants to the throne through their parents and the whole war was for nothing save for preserving Tywin's ego this whole time because he couldn't stand to admit that Aerys fathered any of his kids and because they were so perfect he claimed them as his own, and his one true child, Tyrion, came out deformed (due to incest possibly) and that's why he hated Tyrion as he felt his own true son was a disappointment. It could also explain why Aerys really chose not to marry Cersei to Rhaegar because he was aware of the relationship or perhaps Rhaegar was aware and he knew for the prophecy, he needed to marry outside of his bloodline. All of this is interesting. I am just hoping for the past ten years George R.R. Martin has been working on both of the books instead of just one of them.
I mean Joanna and Tywin are already first cousins. it's not terribly uncommon for first cousin marriages to have children that suffer from genetic issues, mental illness is also common with inbreeding
I see what you mean by the Dany Cersei comparison with fire. But as Dany sees the fire she is having a monumental miraculous moment that has been happening for months through dreams and feelings and learnings, and at that funeral everything connects and makes sense and the magic in her bloodline speaks to her and she knows what to do and can see cure and healing and power in the fire and so she awakens dragons from stone and draws strength from them to make the world a better place. Cersei on the other hand is fascinated by the fire because it allowed her to destroy the tower of the hand and all the men who told her what to do it represented. It made her realize that in the control of fire power she could destroy her enemies and control Westeros by fear since she wasn’t taken seriously because she is a woman. It wasn’t a Targaryen thing, it was an Aerys thing who was, before everything else, a man who was told what to do by his father and then descended into madness when he was made prisoner and everything else crumbled around him. That is his resemblance to Cersei. If the Targaryens wanted to burn everything they would have done it. They didn’t.
i think aerys madness had something to do with dragon dreams a la daeron. its like jojens green dreams. you get warnings and you are not able to decipher those messages. and boom your nightmare comes true. over time you go crazy or enjoying a deadly life style like daeron the drunkard. and i think that aerys was poisoned with basilisk venom.
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 something definitely happened to him. He wasn't born crazy and for a while there he had a pretty good grip on things. Something messed him up.
2nd comment: I see parallels between Cersei and Rhaenyra. When Rhaenyra fled KL, her first stop was Rosby, but she was denied entry for passing over the lady's inheritance in favor of her younger brother's. I thought Cersei might try the same. The Rosby ward has shown they're anti-Lannister, so the doors may be barred to Cersei as well, forcing her to flee to Casterly Rock. Or, perhaps the ward will open them and seize her, ready to turn Cersei over to whomever the ward serves (the Starks imo). Which would be ironic considering her refusal to address the Rosby inheritance led to that outcome.
Ashley of Naath I’ve noticed that you always have a lot of interesting things to say about asoiaf in this series. Thanks for sharing them :)👍
@@mat992 Thank you. I try my best lol.
I want faegon to have a public hearing kind of thing, where cersei is beheaded for betraying Robert, incest, and in part to blame for killing Elia and her daughter. Crowd should cheer that a dragon has come back to bring the glory to westeros and then cersie is beheaded.
Absolutely agree! Cersei to me seems like a comeback of Aerys, but I don't think that in the end, she'll share his delusions. She'll definitely try to run when fAegon shows up, but since she's already alienated every ally she has, no one will take her. She'll either end up imprisoned, and flee to Casterly rock where Jamie will somehow kill her.
@@bmabhilash01 That’s what I’m hoping although I thought Cersei was gonna captured as Aegon’s forces storm KL and she’s executed later.
I think about the burning of the tower a lot when I want to know where Cersei’s story will go. KL will burn... or part of it, at least. She became very unhinged in Feast-the valonquar prophecy drove her insane.
Agree. Part of King's Landing will burn. That burning tower scene is part of the reason why I don't think Cersei is the woman beside Euron in 'The Foresaken' vision...she's heavily associated with fire, true, but it's green fire not white.
Ashley of Naath
I don’t think it’s Cersei either. A shadow binder, perhaps? (shadow in human form). A white walker? White fire could be icy mists wafting off her hands.
I hated the show’s adaptation of Euron. There’s so much more to the character than the pirate caricature we got in the show.
@@ashleyofnaath what/which vision? I can't recall. Please tell.
@@cruddddddddddddddd Oh jeez it's almost impossible to hazard a guess. My thought was that the woman isn't really there, its someone using a glass candle to watch Euron. In that scene in the books where Marwyn leaves the Citadel, Alleras and Sam are in his office, which has a functioning glass candle. Sam describes the flame as pale white fire. I think he also says their structure is tall and twisted. In the AFFC prologue, I think Pate references glass candles similarly. When Jaime sees his mother, he says something about pale white fire reflecting in her eyes. All the verbiage about the glass candles is strikingly similar to the description of the woman. I'm probably grasping for straws w/that but it's what I got🤷♀️.
@@cruddddddddddddddd Also, I've read theories that the woman is Malora Hightower, aka the mad maid, daughter of Lord Leyton Hightower. The two have locked themselves in the Hightower and are rumored to be consulting spell books. We know Euron is going to attack Oldtown, we know he likes magic...so maybe he'll kidnap Malora? Or if she's truly mad, Malora might go willingly...
Cersei should have been the mad queen in the show, not Daenerys.
I’m going to hate when this 23 day series ends. You are killing it.
Question: depending on how things go with Margaery's upcoming trial, do you think that if Tommen were to die first, the Tyrells would offer her to fAegon as a bride? It would be very much in keeping with their modus operandi, but this time, I think if they were to offer her, she would be rejected because there are better marriage prospects out there. The Tyrells reminds me of the Hightowers and Lord Peake, trying to get the daughter of the house married to one of the kings in as many ways as they possibly can.
Cersei has Mad Queen written all over her, and she has a lot of parallels with Rhaenyra during the Dance, like being called "Tywin with teats" compared to Rhaenyra's "Maegor with teats" (that I'll talk about that and all the rest over on my channel). I could see the burning of the sept being Cersei's moment to fulfill Aerys' desire to burn the city. Like, a last violent act before the city falls to Aegon, "if I'm going down, I'm taking my enemies the Tyrells down with me."
Cersei already insane in the books and she getting worse, shame the show tried to humanise her which is impossible
If she wasn't humanized as a character then she wouldn't be interesting wtf are you talking about
Wtf? Humanizing villians is a good thing. This is not a comic book or a cartoon.
@@sabrinakrisb4672 WTF are you talking about, humanising Cersei last minute was the dumbest thing I've seen. She should of gone out on her shield.
@@retriarius845 Yeah sure
@@bluewhale513 You sound like a very simple minded person, my apologies
I would love it if Jaime said, "You mad sis?"
I would love it if Martian actually finishes and publishes Winds of Winter
@@Megatron_95 Don't we all. :(
The Iron Throne seems to affect negatively every one that sits on it (besides being cold and hard and sharp). One king goes mad, one becomes a hopeless incompetent drunk, one reveals a monstrous nature. Sort of like the One Ring. So yes, Cersei's going mad is quite possible.
Are you going to make a video about Davos-Rickon-Skagos? Perhaps the Great Northern Conspiracy? And everything transpiring in Winterfell, and the Pink Letter?
I may be asking too much, but I’m quarantined and your videos make it more enjoyable 😊
Thanks for the series guys!
Cersei showing way too many parallels with Rhaenyra (dance of the dragons)
I think the Targaryen madness is not exclusive for Targaryens it goes the same for House Lannister that would explain Joffrey and Cersei's temperament and behaviour. Also Tywin wed his cousin so they are very well inbred. 🦁
I think D&D read a Dany becomes the Mad Queen and Jon kills her fan theory during the third season when they claim to have came up with the final scene between them and ran with it but somehow still failed to properly set it up.
Great content guys. Far from how Cersei ends, I’m just looking forward to the sh*t-fight after the murder of Kevan. So many people who hate each other in KL at the same time. Who comes out on top there I can’t even guess, though obviously Cersei survives to go down later.
So the scouring of the shire for me relates to the development and growth of the hobbit characters. When the story starts Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin are innocent and childlike. They’re in need of rescue and protection. At the end of the story they return home changed. They are war hardened and battle tested. They don’t need rescue for they have now become the rescuers. In GOT the innocent hobbits correlate to Jon, Sansa, Bran, and Arya. I think GOT’s scouring will show the development of these 4 characters. That they’ve transitioned from being powerless to save themselves to having the power to straighten out their situation. They will have gone from being surrounded by danger to being the danger.
3 Targaryens were alive when ASOIAF began, 2 died, and still 3 are alive. Wow!
SciFi network needs to give Quinn 2 shows: one by himself where he does what he does on this channel, and another show for him & LML & and guests they decide to bring on. These two are great.
She won't blow the Sept, Faegon will chase her off first. But she won't get the chance.
It will be Dany, fighting to dislodge Faegon.
I seriously don’t get how anyone can think Daenerys is the Mad Queen. Have they not read Cersei’s chapters or recall her references? Cersei has been heavily associated with wildfire and described as unhinged. I’m pretty confident too that Cersei and (F)Aegon will destroy King’s Landing well before Daenerys even sets sail. Actually I think they gave Cersei’s Mad Queen plot to Daenerys in that assemble finale season.
However I don’t agree with LML about Daenerys dying North. I think The Others will reach King’s Landing.
Man that opening minute was chilling! Idea's you truly are there best at what you do.
Just occured to me that Cersei might blow up the sept to kill Aegon during his coronation. Everyone is talking about the face off between Dany and Aegon, but maybe it will never happen. Maybe Dany is indeed the young, more beautiful woman who will cast Cersei down and take everything she holds dear. It would be very much like Martin to snuff out this story-book would-be king right when you think he's being saved for some battle royale with the dragon queen.
I was just thinking this, and it would be poetic reverse of Tywin taking the city from Aerys, except she would be successful
@@Ashbrash1998 Exactly!!! I think a popular uprising or poisoning would finish her shortly thereafter though, but that's Martin's style isn't it? No passive characters, and consequences in every corner.
Cersei is going to go through an Azula type change and madness.
I wonder if Prince Doran is going for a "son for a son" plot like Daemon Targaryen in Fire and Blood. Since Cersei tried to assassinate Prince Trystane, Doran has ordered one of the Sand Snakes to kill Tommen. His death pushes Cersei a step closer to the volanqar, and would be her own fault. Which would be really interesting if you believe she accidentally murdered Joffrey in an attempt to kill Tyrion, and she's the one pushing herself into the volanqar's hands by doing everything to subvert the prophecy.
That is not farfetched.
@@whitneymohrhauser8753 As I recall, it's intimated that Cersei might've pushed her friend into the well to prevent her from talking about Maggy's prophecy. Which Cersei thought would prevent it from coming to fruition--not talking about it. Melara's death was like the first thing Maggy prophesied, so it suggests that whole prophecy was a metaphor for Cersei bringing herself down.
If Cersei accidentally killed Joffrey she would have thought a lot about it in her AFFC chapters.
@@rmnxg3538 Well, in a way she does. Cersei's vanity prevents her from accepting responsibility for her mistakes, so instead she deflects by blaming Tyrion for not ingesting the poison meant for him. Therefore Joff's murder is his fault, not hers. Would explain why she immediately accuses Tyrion of killing him. I believe Cersei is depraved and vain enough to think this way🤷♀️.
@@ashleyofnaath
I don't believe Cersei accidentally assassinated her own son, neat though the theory is.
But I am pretty sure that Doran will have Tommen killed. Either because he really is pursuing a blood feud or for political reasons.
Incidentally. Do we know Cersei plotted against Trustable or is that one of Doran's lies?
I was convinced that Young Griff was a pretender until the last chapter when Varys tells Kevan Lannister about Aagon. The way he spoke about Aagon...why not tell Kevan that he was a fake when he knew Kevan already had a one way ticket to the grave? Unless he didn’t want his little birds hearing...though he must have some trust in them since he had them assist in and witness the killing of Kevan! Let’s not forget that it was Varys who claims to have switched the babies and Varys who smuggled Aagon to safety. Why do we assume that Quaithe is honest about everything? We don’t even know why she’s so invested in Danny, for gods sake, we don’t even know what’s under her mask! Quaithe has been honest about some things, yes, but she might’ve lied about Yoing Griff being a pretender.
I think Varys knows better than anyone how public opinion and conviction among the smallfolk matters - so no, I do not think he'd be truthfull in front of his little birds.
They are the cornerstone of his manipulation of public opinion.
@@eric2500 good point 🤔
The question is Cersei is one who destroys Septa Balor? Does Cersei kill Margery? Both Mycella and Tommen needs to die for the valonquar prophecy comes to fruition. I did like Mycella's death where she did make an emotional connection to Jaime Lannister in the show. I hope Tommen's death will be more meaningful than a swan dive. The problem with Cersei she forgets she has two little brothers. Tywin and Joanna are cousins so there might be incest on the Lannister line.
My crackpot theory is that one of the sand snakes (most likely Tyene) will kill Tommen and Myrcella will be the one driven to suicide.
@@ashleyofnaath
I don't think this is crackpot at all. Doran is a ruthless power player, despite the widespread fan belief that he is just a nebbish who talks big.
and people actually believe books dany is the mad queen
I just re-watched Quinn's Ideas video, Game of Thrones Season 8 EP6 (The Iron Throne) Review, Critiques, Analysis - May 20, 2019,
I absolutely concur with him on how bland the last episode was. Also, I agree that the show tailed off after Season Four. From Season Five on, GRRM gave them hints or broad ideas about what he was going to write, but D & D were not iltelligent enough to look into the books or back upon what happened in the TV show, and lacked the talent to creatively fill out the story going forward. When GRRM was heavily involved in Seasons 1 - 4, D & D did really well. When GRRM left in order to start writing Winds of Winter, he only provided broad ideas, and allow the writers to create the story based on what came before. D & D's lack of talent caused things to stray from the path the story was on, and the depth of story suffered greatly. What this proves is D & D have no talent in story making. I don't expect D & D to remain in Hollywood long because no one will want them around long. They reportedly have a Netflix deal, now that Disney fell through, but Netflix will drop them like a rock when the show they make fails miserably to make back any of the money it spends on their new show. We will not see them work in Cable or Network TV anymore, after the HBO Game of Thrones ending fiasco. Anything they make will suck severely due to their lack of talent with creating stories, and the industry already knows they grow tired after a couple season of anything they make.
I seen a video that reported the truth about Seasons 5 - 8, is that D & D began dropping dialog in favor of actors emoting. From what I gathered from the video, D & D were so tired of Game of Thrones that they gave up writing in depth scenes in favor of (an example...) Stannis emoting his sullen mood, or disappointment at losing, etc., also Cersi glaring over Kings Landing with a goblet of wine in her hand, her face emotes her disdain towards everything instead of dialog that tells anything about it or her. D & D purposefully mind-fu*ked actors into emoting - they told them things like, "yeah! that is perfect! Look at that face, it tells the story perfectly" - then they would just not write dialog and use up episode time on the actor's emote instead. D & D convinced actors by telling them it adds weight to the event, or situation, or whatever they were shooting. The thing is, after so many seasons of that the actors realized their lines were dropping severely in quantity and quality. In the end, even the actors knew it sucked bad.
Seems more fitting that Cersei burns Kings Landing considering Jaime saved it
I think there is another factor that will be at play--Arya. Arya has a karmic link to that last cat she tried to round up. The cat will be her eyes and ears in King's Landing; she will have some kind of role in all this.
Is some of the background music you guys have been using from the game 'darkwood'? It sounds familiar.
Szeth Toxicco I think LmL made the music
Found your channel the other day. Been hooked. I thank the seven gods for your videos and breaking down the books. I cant wait for Winds!!!
Cersei is a model of Reason, Enlightenment, and Decorum. As she points out, "Am I the only one in Westeros with a pinch of wits?"
The only two places that might NOT burn in King's Landing are the Sept of Baelor and the Dragonpit, since in both places the wildfire was found and taken away, but the Red Keep itself still has wildfire within its walls and probably beneath the Red Keep's Sept. I can also see Cersei burning the City as fAegon and Arianna enter the city after Tommen's death. It would be most in tune with 'let him be king over ashes and charred bones'.
But I can also see fAegon having pity for a seemingly broken Cercei and allowing her to mourn and bury Tommen, ere she leaves for Casterly Rock, and she could use a ritual trying to rearise Tommen by a blood and fire sacrifice performed with Qyburn by either killing Margery or Sansa (that is probably going to be abduced from her marriage by those two hedge-knights [I so badly want Sandor to go after her right into the fire and save her from being burned, while Jaime stabs Cersei, but that is not going to happen, just because I want it]) while perchance burn the Red Keep and the whole town ere she leaves. - It would be nice if Sandor would alarm Jaime and Brienne on time and they might not go for Lady Stoneheart but go straight to King's Landing after Sansa together, I'd be happiest, if that happened, but Jaime and Brienne are too far up in the north, and I imagine if Sandor hears or sees Sansa abduced from the old dog's eyes, he'll not take a detour to get reinforcements from the north but would go straight for King's Landing - (unless he sat out north to help Brienne already, because he knows she tries to save Sansa and he followed her in the septon Meribald's dog and wants to deal with the false Hound that uses his helmet now. I think Stranger's rage symbolizes his anger, at his 'fame' being used. He might go to hang Lem Lemoncloak just like in the show.) This version would knot these loose threads most neatly in one go: King's Landing burning down while Jaime kills Mad Queen Cersei and Sandor battles Gregor, and Brienne saves Sansa - (and perhaps Margery).
Jamie is totally going to stab Cersei in the back like he did the mad king. It's all coming full circle.
Would you do some Jaime predictions plz ?
Absolutely. Coming up in our Stoneheart episode!
@@QuinnsIdeas STONEHEART. The name sent a chill up Brienne's spine.
Be safe every one
PROOF OF NOT CRAZY? Let's stay real.
I liked your videos better when it was just you. Your guest speakers dumb down the conversation and I find their ideas excruciatingly painful to my brain. Sorry Quinn, but it's true.
I think the explosion of the sept of baelor was created by d&d from what I can remember from behind the scenes. Although I do think she will attempt to blow up Kings Landing itself, I think the Tyrells will side with Faegon against her so presumably they’ll be in Highgarden. Just a guess tho
It certainly won't happen exactly the same way in the book but I don't doubt that Cersei will destroy at least part of KL.
Alan Pennie agreed
I am SO looking forward to Mad Queen Cersei!!!
I disagree. I do not think that Jaime will die together with Cersei. Just because she said so, doesn't make it true. She wants to die together with him, because she cannot stand the thought of him living on, while she is dead (possessive / obsessive behaviour). Also, at this point, Cersei is doing everything to make the valonquar prophecy a self fulfilling prophecy; Jaime has already turned away from her and Cersei's actions with the wildfire will certainly push Jaime over the edge because that is what he tried to prevent by killing the Mad King. Jaime will definitely NOT ignore her burning down the city (like in the show).
In the show she just destroy a sept, not the entire city.
@@diegoolivaresgonzalez42 True, but even then Jaime logically should've thought "Why now am I helping this evil, that I destroyed in the past?" Not to mention that Show!Cersei didn't care one bit that the death of Margaery triggered Tommen's death. Jaime's alarm bells should've gone off by then. It totally makes no sense that he stayed with her during season 7. That is not true to his character.
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Jaime's fate is a complete mystery to me. Could it be Arya who kills him?
@@alanpennie8013 mhm. I do not think so. He is not on her list. I would guess that Jaime dies in the battle against the Others, probably fighting beside Brienne, like he dreamt in his weirwood-dream. I think it would properly complete his character arc if he dies honourably; to be redeemed of his Kingslayer reputation.
I would find it interesting though, if Arya would take Jaime's face and kill Cersei. How tragic would it be for Cersei to die thinking that her twin killed her, when it really was Arya in disguise ;)
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That seems likely. It would be a sign of real maturity in Jaime if he forgave Brienne's betrayal of him.
Cercei was a great character to watch, until they had her drink wine for a whole season. She could have been so much more
I love this reading style of having you in shot Quinn, it's very thematic and cool. But could you perhaps have text in addition, maybe to the side to not cover your pretty face? It just really helps me follow what you are saying. Cheers.
QUIN can you sing the a quote in the next video.
I second the motion
Oh snap I’m early
Props to you both for putting out so many solid videos in such quick succession. Nice work.
You guys are doing GRRM's work (correctly BTW!) And renewing my hope in ASOIAF and the story. May the old gods and new guide you through the Winter!
Lucifer Means Lightbringer is a bit of hard-ass name to find in searches, dude should probably rename or shorten it to LML but I am enjoying the conversations you two are having
I'd be really careful of All the prophecies guys. I don't think you should take this stuff seriously. Our protagonists are normally wrong and or misinterpret things. We have no reason to trust Quaithe and should definitely not trust the Undying.
Also having read a few other GRRM stories if Danny is tricked into sacrificing herself then it'll be for a lost cause.
Seven hells, the glasses! I cannot focus! I'll have to watch this three times over
Thanks for getting our hopes back up, and for reminding the fandom of the sheer awesomeness of ASOIAF
I can see Daenerys burning Casterly Rock with her dragons. The Great War will be done in the Riverlands.
If she does I think it will be Tyrion who incites her. Remember his dreams of burning The Rock and his family with it.
Except the Rock is mostly a deep, deep cave in a mountain. Upon seeing it one of Aegon's sisters remarked she was glad the Lannister king had met them in the field for if he stayed in the Rock even dragonforce would not have daunted him there.
@@alanpennie8013 tyrion will be very poisionous for dany. and the damn stark ilk as well.
Quinn I love your love for Cersei
I think 'Chaos is a ladder...' while yes I see it fitting LF it fits Varys a whole lot better, but the main difference is Varys is a whole lot smarter. I have more respect for Varys than I'll have for LF because of that.
Do you guys sleep?
Not very much haha
i dont think the valonqar will be Jamie, because the prophecy says that "the valonqar shall wrap his HANDS about your pale white throat " hands in plural, and Jamie only has one hand.
What happened to the series guys. Been waiting a while
Just here for the rewatch on this very old video lol, so no one will probably read this but I have a theory for the death of Tomin/Jamie/Cersei.
Theres a lot of parallels for Cersei and Rhaenyra. Rhaenyras youngest bastard son, dies in a great fall off her own yellow dragon. While her city is being sacked.
Cersei’s symbolism colour is emerald green. Like the wildfire. Green dragon fire. Perhaps while holed up in the castle during war with FAegon, wildfire spreads somewhere it wasn’t supposed to. Like somewhere tomin might be. With no options, he could jump. Or fall from somewhere he was trying to escape to. Perhaps to childishly attempt to save something he loves
By the same logic, Cersei should probably be eaten by a dragon at some point.
Daemon has an affair, which the queen learns of. Orders the death of his paramore, who daemon intentionally allows to escape before going off and dying for her war. Should this all take place the same day, She and Jaime “die together” without necessarily being near eachother
No please she won't be the mad queen ! Instead georges will build her up as one and at the last minute he will make daenarys mad and it's going to be epic ! How you ask ? Because fucking bells will trigger her decent into madness. And she will burn KL for absolutely no fucking reason at all ! HOW AWESOME IS THAT ?! i cant wait for my expectations to be subverted in a totally not trash and stupid way !
I don't think the tarlys will flip
The hightowers will , the tyrells got a lot more powerfull in the reach after they got brightwater
I don’t think the Tyrells will get a chance to change sides. And yeah, I highly doubt the Tarlys would ever betray the throne at this point in the story-Randyll Tarly is a stubborn man in the books.
Lord-Protector of the Vale Ooh that would be an interesting way to introduce House Hightower. I was thinking the Redwynes would flip... maybe both Hightower & Redwyne?
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He doesn't like Mace and has reason to resent him.
I think it quite likely he'll defect to fAegon.
I clicked that Playlist in hopes there would be a video I had missed. It seems I have watched them all, multiple times.
Cersei idolises the Targaryans so much, she basically wants to be a Targ. She copulates with Jaimie because she wants to be a Targ and she is obsessed with prophecy like a Targ, and she is obviously obsessed with fire. She is parallel to fAegon, so there is no doubt they will clash.
Look at the Rhaenyra. All of the wild, supernatural, cthonic stuff that happened during the burning of the dragon pit!
With Cersei's burning of the tower of the hand, she cleansed her life of all the male patriarchs that controlled and used her. I don't think your take takes into account that this would be ecstasy and agony at the same time, she was cleansing her life of her brother and father. There is a big chance she will go mad (she already is) but idk to what extent this is the explanation for her feelings towards the burning of the tower of the hand. I think it is a stepping stone but she is not there by far at that point.
Question: why does everyone assume Quaithe is telling the truth?
I've wondered the same thing. Dany always seems to take Quaithe's advice to heart, but I can't for the life of me think of one reason Dany would believe a word she says. Has she ever given helpful advice? She just shows up occasionally and gives vague hints. Worst character in the series.
i think she would suffer the same fate as Rhaenyra Targaryen
I absolutely hate the king bran idea, maybe the show ruined it for me idk I just prefer Jon Snow, daenerys or even faegon over bran the broken... And even if bran is ever king would kingslanding really be his seat? He's a greenseer, the capitol has no weirwoods why would he ever choose to live there if he wouldn't be able to do the one thing he's actually good at? If king bran ever happens he'll almost certainly have to live on the isle of faces.
You guy are putting these out faster than I can even watch them, great stuff
fortunately (or, unfortunately , reallly), we've all got lots of time on our hands to sit at home and watch YT