Winds of Winter Predictions: The Battle of Fire

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  • Daenerys may have left Meereen at the end of A Dance with Dragons, but the battle of fire isn’t waiting for anyone - it’s about to go down on the opening pages of The WInds of Winter. Barristan, Tyrion, Jorah and Penny, the Unsullied, and the newly-arrived Ironborn fleet are about to do battle with the armies of the slave cities of Essos, and we’ll set the stage for the carnage to come.
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  • @patreilly3184
    @patreilly3184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +339

    you have no fucking clue how hyped i am for this. the final playlist will be on repeat until twow

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      fuck. yes.

    • @QuinnsIdeas
      @QuinnsIdeas  4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      It will be epic!

    • @sunflowerbeth3830
      @sunflowerbeth3830 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I'm beyond grateful and pumped for this and every video to follow. Thank you both! 🥰🌻✌ Also... I'm so here for some proper Sir Barristan epic love.

    • @Bluemilk92
      @Bluemilk92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Believe me, it will be my new sleep playlist when it's done. It will be glorious, and darken my dreams with blood, fire, and ice.

    • @crissantos826
      @crissantos826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ohh yeahh!!

  • @minimumviableplayer1402
    @minimumviableplayer1402 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    I think Tyrion's greatest way to show his worth is the intimate knowledge of the current political structure of Westeros, the Lannister's in particular, and the knowledge that Aegon exists and is coming to Westeros before Danny (don't remember if he knows about the Golden Company), which is vital information she doesn't have. This fact probably will help speed the plot along so Danny moves on from Meereen.

  • @CZ-dg7te
    @CZ-dg7te 4 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    I too would like to see a Daario rampage. I'd rather see him die raging in battle than just get dumped and take it like a chump. I don't think he's going to be Dany's endgame but he too deserved better than HBO's treatment of him

  • @GretchenLovesBooks
    @GretchenLovesBooks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Excellent video! One thing came to mind while you were discussing politics is that I think Tyrion is going to be immediately suspicious of the Green Grace. I think she may remind him of Cersei (and he has hang ups about powerful women who wear green lol), or she might bring Olenna to mind for him and make him wonder about her role in Joffrey’s death. Either way, I think she’s going to ping his suspicion radar in a way she didn’t for Dany because of Tyrion’s experiences with Cersei and his still deeply rooted misogyny toward powerful women. Tyrion would absolutely hear “the sons of the Harpy” and think “the harpy must be a woman because all women are harpies.” Can’t wait for the next video!

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      interesting! What is your take on the Green grace - is she in league with the Sons of the Harpy or no?

    • @tentaclepawn1548
      @tentaclepawn1548 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@DavidLightbringer IMO the Green Grace IS the Harpy (though obviously not for any misogynistic reasons!) - I missed it on my first read through but on subsequent re-reads the clues jumped right out at me and I was amazed I didn't spot it before. In particular, the passages involving the child hostages Dany refuses to kill are very revealing, but there are many more hints throughout the Meereen chapters. I don't understand why lots of people think the Meereen chapters are boring - all the plots and politics going on are masterfully written and very rewarding on re-reads.
      P.S. Loving this series, just doing some catching up! Not sure how you guys manage a video a day, as I haven't even managed to watch them all!

    • @tentaclepawn1548
      @tentaclepawn1548 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Ba'al the Bard 100% agree with this. Tyrion is going to see through a lot of shenanigans that Barristan & Co are simply not equipped to when he joins Dany's court. My personal theory is that Tyrion won't be Dany's Hand, but rather will be made her fool when he swears allegiance to her. A Mushroom mk2, if you will :D

  • @sheilahilton356
    @sheilahilton356 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Guys, the art work is next level. Thanks for a great collaboration, am super excited. Why aren’t you guys wearing your own merch? ❤️

  • @AvenueEmpire
    @AvenueEmpire 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this. I just finished re-reading the book series, and this was very refreshing!

  • @lastjohns9717
    @lastjohns9717 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I'm more anxious to find out what GRRM will do with the Faith of the Seven, since they effectively hold the throne, and we all know what they think of Targaryens.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I see them interacting with fAegon after he replaces Cersei in KL, for sure. If the R'hllorists ever get to Westeros we could really see some shit between those 2 groups of fanatics

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DavidLightbringer
      Yes I think The Faith will rally to fAegon (and so will most of The Reach under Hightower influence.)
      Will this bring over the Tyrells too?

  • @modmary1
    @modmary1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job, guys. Love the direction, this series of videos, is taking. 🐉

  • @fredrichadzabe9351
    @fredrichadzabe9351 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I like the trio, where's GreyArea?

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      In a different state unfortunately but we'll do something with Gray sometime for sure

  • @treehouse318
    @treehouse318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    excellent work, guys.
    thank you!

  • @andrewwavington9025
    @andrewwavington9025 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You do narration better than anyone I have ever heard for ASOIAF

  • @mikedeck8381
    @mikedeck8381 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Melisandre is a shadowbinder from Ashai. The guy with VIc isn't. He's a red priest on a mission for his superiors. It's not even clear why Mel is with Stannis or in Westeros. Thoros, the other red priest we see is also in Westeros on orders. As far as Vic, he'd see Tyrion, who is a dwarf, as someone who should've been drowned at birth. Moquorro, knowing Tyrion, is a wild card as far as that relationship goes. He'd at least respect Barristan and Jorah for being warriors. Tyrion being the exiled rightful Lord of Casterly Rock, his being there with Jorah, who you don't mention and is probably as important Barristan, etc., Tyrions influence over the Second Sons, suppose Barristan will at least hear him out but don't know if he will have that much influence with Barristan, who will likely want to defer any decisions till Dany returns. Everyone in Danys court is a wild card, so is the fleet from Volantis. Do think that the dragon horn was meant to be a poisoned gift to Vic from Euron but don't think that Euron anticipated Vic meeting the Red Priest. Then of course Tyrion has news of Aegon, what was it, Kraken and Dark Flame(VIc&Moquorro), Lion and Griffin(Tyrion&Connington), Suns Son(Quentyn), the Mummerers Dragon(Aegon?). It could be Connington Varys and/or Aegon sent some sort of message towards Mereen before they left Volantis. Then you have Marwyn coming. Marwyn also believed that the CItadel would also send emissaries who would try to kill Danys. Yes there is a lot of interesting stuff that could happen but like the show Dany is probably going off on some sort of interlude with the Dothraki, which might play out differently. Hopefully she doesn't go to Vaes Dothrak.

  • @aaronweers8697
    @aaronweers8697 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That part with barristan getting ready to attack got me fucking amped!!!

  • @davidnance9462
    @davidnance9462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Corpses dancing in the air. Hello Patchface.

  • @KBlanca513
    @KBlanca513 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tyrion snarling amidst the dragons - Jon, Dany, and Aegon Blackfyre - he’ll have advised them all.

  • @phosphoros3050
    @phosphoros3050 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perhaps Stygai & the Shadow can be looked at through the Glass Candle as well.

  • @rushnafwadud
    @rushnafwadud 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Question: Moqorro is a Red priest, serving the Lord of LIGHT. When he symbolises Tyrion as casting a SHADOW, does that sound antagonistic?

    • @diegoolivaresgonzalez42
      @diegoolivaresgonzalez42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Shadows are sacred to the red priests, they are created by the light.

    • @diegoolivaresgonzalez42
      @diegoolivaresgonzalez42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also R'hllor is called the god of the flame and the shadow.

    • @rushnafwadud
      @rushnafwadud 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@diegoolivaresgonzalez42 I understand that. But according to the duality of most of the Eastern gods, shouldn't a figure like the Great Other/The Lion of Night etc. be the lord of the shadow, in essence?

    • @diegoolivaresgonzalez42
      @diegoolivaresgonzalez42 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rushnafwadud Without light there are no shadows... And the gods you mentioned are related with the Long Night, even the Five Forts are suposed to protect Yi Ti from the demons of the Lion of Night.

  • @eric2500
    @eric2500 ปีที่แล้ว

    No, wait, we saw a scene just after Marwyn left_ he did leave the candle at home, I swear it, where's my book?

  • @ashtton_tapiwa
    @ashtton_tapiwa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doesn't Victarion have a cog full of pork as well? From his time on the Isle of Cedars? Maybe he's gonna do a Nettles

  • @davidryan7386
    @davidryan7386 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    marwyn the magester

  • @0ceanque3n
    @0ceanque3n 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what i don't understand is if they geild the unsullied so young, don't they need the testosterone from puberty to become the fighters that they are? no testosterone means really no strong man

  • @mat992
    @mat992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😁😁😁

  • @GabrielBelmont4727
    @GabrielBelmont4727 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As soon as Daario is freed the slavers better be running...

  • @Thebabybadass101
    @Thebabybadass101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hell yes more WoW talk plz

  • @yellowfellow7246
    @yellowfellow7246 4 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    "If you think you already know how the story of A Song of Ice and Fire ends... well, guess again...
    Because GRRM isn't a mediocre writer."

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      damn right!

    • @1992zorro
      @1992zorro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Just a very very slow writer...

    • @yellowfellow7246
      @yellowfellow7246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@1992zorro Yeeeeeeeeeah. My opinion might have changed in the past two years. Lol...

  • @theletterm5425
    @theletterm5425 4 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    I'm not sure the Ironborn fleet will be the one to take Daenerys home. At least not *just* the Ironborn fleet. Remember that Volantis reportedly sent their ships to Slaver's Bay as well, and from Tyrion's time there we know that the slaves outnumber the nobles around 10 to 1 I believe and more importantly they all worship Dany as their savior. Well, who do you think are captaining those warships? If you ask me I think a slave revolt definitely seems to be in the cards, with a large part of the Volantene fleet going over to Dany as well. She will need all the ships she can get after all if she is going to recruit a bunch of Dothraki at Vaes Dothrak.

    • @made-line7627
      @made-line7627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      It's kind of foreshadowed by the slave revolt that led to the genesis of Bravos, so it would be tasty indeed if a Valyrian was the cause of a slave ship-revolt, but in an opposite manner.

    • @bryanhamstra4045
      @bryanhamstra4045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't think dany will go all the way to vaes dothrak i think she will control that small khalasaar that rode up on her i think she will have 20,000 screamers

  • @alphaomikron4008
    @alphaomikron4008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I would argue that Tyrion didn't sway the Second Sons. The release of the dragons is what swayed them. Brown Ben Plumm was very straigthforward in his disagreement of keeping the dragons chained, and that was the reason he defected. Also if anyone swayed them it's Mormont (Preston). He has raport with Dany and the Second Sons, while Tyrion is just a Lanister hostage that plays chess.... I mean cyvasse well.
    But there is one thing that Tyrion knows that is of grave importance (except the dragon-lore) for Dany that people seem to forget.
    Tyrion is one of the very few people that knows about Aegon Blackf....erm Targaryaen. Meanwhile in KL they still think the Stormland invasion is just a family feud of Red "Herring" Conningtons and Stepstonian pirates.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      yeah we'll get into that during the Mummers dragon episode, I totally agree

    • @wisdommanari6701
      @wisdommanari6701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Queen in Da North

  • @tracymetherell8744
    @tracymetherell8744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    This is like a cool drink of water to wash out the bad taste of GOT season 8! I am so looking forward to the rest of this series. You two make such a great team.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's JUSTR whatever we were aiming for Tracy! cheers ~

    • @stevengarman4848
      @stevengarman4848 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I still have a difficult time hoping that " The Winds of Winter" will ever be published.

  • @theletterm5425
    @theletterm5425 4 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    Out of all the coming conflicts (Euron at Oldtown, fAegon at Storm's End, Stannis in the North and Barristan in Meereen) the Battle of Fire is probably the one I'm looking forward to the least. That being said, you guys did a great job in hyping up this battle, especially the dynamic between Barristan, Tyrion and Victarion is something I had never really thought about. Can't wait to hear more about all the other storylines from you two. Anyone that keeps the TWOW hype going in 2020 is a winner in my book!

    • @made-line7627
      @made-line7627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Definitely a testament to George that he writes political intrigue and fantasy so well that the battle that has *dragons* mincing around the sky going ham is the one that people could be *less* interested and enthused for. I, for one, agree with everything you said.

    • @lordbonney9779
      @lordbonney9779 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I mean, I wouldn’t say Barristan is the one to look out for with Victarion.
      In the fighter pit, a bear and a bull fight. Jorah is commonly called a bear, Victarion is commonly called a bull.
      With how GRRM writes, there’s a decent chance it’s Jorah who will come to blows with Victarion, most likely being because Jorah will be impulsive due to emotions.

  • @princeprocrastinate6485
    @princeprocrastinate6485 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    The next 23 days should be a real treat. You guys are doing good work.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      just trying to help wash out the bad taste from the HBO show ;)

    • @princeprocrastinate6485
      @princeprocrastinate6485 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@DavidLightbringer Haha that's a worthy cause, I thank you for your efforts.

    • @iamjohnrobot
      @iamjohnrobot 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      as good as jordan baby

  • @sabrinakrisb4672
    @sabrinakrisb4672 4 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    I think Marwyn is by far my favourite side character. I love how he's basically rebelled against the academia of Westeros in his pursuit of knowledge.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Mine too!

    • @joshhoffman5233
      @joshhoffman5233 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      He’s also on his way to mereen don’t forget

    • @darylchurch2115
      @darylchurch2115 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I REALLY need to see what he's planning. He got in my head and George only knows what's going to happen.

    • @traumer9622
      @traumer9622 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, he is extremely intruiging

  • @cosmohella8879
    @cosmohella8879 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    A POV of Dothraki mixing cultures with the Ironborn, on the way to Westeros is what I’m going to dream about tonight.
    They would connect on so many things! The only thing they disagree strongly on is salt water 😂

    • @cosmohella8879
      @cosmohella8879 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicolvocanoconiosis lol true I forgot that. But seeing the Dothraki fight may give new perspective to those open minded ironborn. Seems like if you sub longships for horses they would have a lot to discuss together

    • @Dani_1012
      @Dani_1012 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh my God I never thought of that before, its going to be lime reuniting with long lost family 😂

  • @TheGreenBard
    @TheGreenBard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Great to see this one land! Nice job guys. One point. As Dany has the rider bond to Drogon, I don’t think She’d actually exert a lot of control over the other 2. I do wonder about Drogon having a bond to those 2 though. They may follow “him” because he is the strongest of their kind.

    • @tracymetherell8744
      @tracymetherell8744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You may be right about that!

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tracymetherell8744 yeah interesting idea from the Green Bard there

    • @TheGreenBard
      @TheGreenBard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lucifer means Lightbringer I mean, she is their mother, so I don’t think they’d hurt her but she definitely abandoned them, and I expect further consequences from that. This stuff is so fascinating to me!

  • @jordanrutledge7943
    @jordanrutledge7943 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Can we talk about the absolute unit that is strong belwas? The madman took down a whole tray of poisoned munchies and survived to serve his dragon waifu. In awe of the size of that lad

    • @210SAi
      @210SAi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was so sad Belwas was left out of the show

    • @billybobsac4421
      @billybobsac4421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@210SAi right one of my favorite characters

  • @cruddddddddddddddd
    @cruddddddddddddddd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Ive listened to the Barristan excerpts dozens of times. I cannot wait to read his ultimate fate. Even if he dies in the battle, it will be a better death than they gave him than that weak ass mess in the show
    Edit: I wouldn’t be surprised if Daario has already betrayed Dani. I hope I’m wrong, but he comes off as very sketchy to me. Another example of books>show.

    • @pawemarsza9515
      @pawemarsza9515 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But why? In the books Daario seems to genuinely love Deanerys. Why betray her to join the slavers? What would he gain? Mind you, at the moment he possess NOTHING of value. He is hostage, his sellsword company is commanded by others, whom wouldn't be too happy to see their boss again.
      He can give slavers nothing except for some information they propably already have from their allies in the city. Why would they even propose him anything?

    • @cruddddddddddddddd
      @cruddddddddddddddd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Paweł Marszał
      That dude has already betrayed ppl. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. And Daario is a traitor, loyal only to himself

  • @MrRenix1990
    @MrRenix1990 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I think that Dany has not left the battle of Mereen. Remember that she succeeded reaching the Dothraki army together with Drogon, therefore I think that she will negotiate the allegiance with them from a stronger position!
    We will see an enormous war of liberation in the next book

    • @210SAi
      @210SAi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She still has to secure an alliance AND get them to Mereen. That’s going to take a while so who knows if the Dothraki make it in time to fight in this battle.

    • @bryanhamstra4045
      @bryanhamstra4045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They can't capture dany like they did in show and take her to vaes dothrak i think drogon will just eat the khal and then she will lead that small khalasaar to meereen i think she might have 20,000 screamers and call for the rest after the battle?

  • @whoaitstiger
    @whoaitstiger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    11:55 "...she's just kind of been winging it."
    Best unintentional pun in a while!

  • @kasperbmathiassen
    @kasperbmathiassen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So LML, you are saying that Victarion will have an INSTRUMENTAL role in deciding the outcome of the battle? xD
    I'm BLOWN away by the wordplay xD

  • @plantemor
    @plantemor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Can I just say that I love that you guys are talking about this fictitious war to come like two very serious sports commentators? It is the most wholesome and nerdy thing ever.
    PS: love these videos! I'm so excited for this book. Can't wait.

  • @bryguy1502
    @bryguy1502 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    You and Preston Jacobs should collaborate on future battles. He’s also done an analysis on most of the major battles (The Battle of Blood and the Battle of Steel are two of my personal favorites) that are well-thought-out and interesting to hear about.

    • @abiolaadedeji1868
      @abiolaadedeji1868 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Quinn and Preston should collaborate period, imagine if they were shitting on the last season when it came out together

    • @grizzlyadams8277
      @grizzlyadams8277 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      When did he do Battle of Steel? I’ve only seen the Battle of Blood on his channel. Which, I agree, was a great video. I’d really like to see his take on the Battle of Steel though, that seems to be the one people are talking about the least.

    • @VICTORHDANTAS
      @VICTORHDANTAS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@grizzlyadams8277 He talked about how he thinks the Battle of Steel is going to go down on his last video on Arianne's sample chapter.

    • @TYTfan
      @TYTfan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@abiolaadedeji1868 That would be much better then Preston and the bro dude guy he plays off of now, the Pinky and the Brain schtick grew old quickly.

    • @abiolaadedeji1868
      @abiolaadedeji1868 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TYTfan yea I mean I've gor no beef with Carmine but he doesn't seem to understand the lore enough to be truly outraged about it

  • @921Ether
    @921Ether 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    "This video is going to be very short." Yes, for you it is LML.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      haha guilty as charged... they will all be in the 15-25 min range with a couple of longer ones (House martell ep is like 50 min)

    • @tracymetherell8744
      @tracymetherell8744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The longer the better as far as I am concerned. I want the two of you to include all your ideas and fully discuss each topic. It will be a pleasure to watch every one.

  • @mormontbears2791
    @mormontbears2791 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ser Barristan the Bold is amazing!! Since the killed him they should have at least gave a nod to him in the finally season when Dany was questioning Ser Jaime. Like “ Ser Barristan told me how the mad king, my father earn his name and also how you earned yours kingslayer, what we he council me to do with you?” Might have given her some credibility with the North. Everybody respected Ser Barristan even the northerners that don’t have knights.

    • @lonemotheo1964
      @lonemotheo1964 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dany kindof forgot about Bart Selmy
      Same with how Jon and Sam kindof forgot about maester Aemon

  • @TheeAmethystEmpress6589
    @TheeAmethystEmpress6589 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    "Viserion and Rhaegal are living their best lives right now"
    LML....
    😂😂💥🔥❤
    (Edit) I also have been wondering:
    What if Victarian is the character that gets redemption in our eyes and actually becomes helpful to the "good" cause? George does love redemptions and I believe Victarian could be set up for that. We have been in his head just like Jaime. Maybe. Who knows?

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      a useful idiot? Could be, at least for one crucial moment perhaps

    • @TheeAmethystEmpress6589
      @TheeAmethystEmpress6589 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DavidLightbringer yeah. I like that. It's just something thats been going through my head lately. Love your content, by the way. Thank you!😊

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@TheeAmethystEmpress6589
      Victarion is such a fun character.
      I really hope GRRM has something better in store for him than an early death.

    • @TheeAmethystEmpress6589
      @TheeAmethystEmpress6589 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alanpennie8013 yep. Same here. ❤

    • @vuyanindzamela7175
      @vuyanindzamela7175 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Moqorro did say that he saw glory awaiting him in the flames. So you may be right 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @valerie93_
    @valerie93_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Excellent work, gentlemen. It's nice to see a return to the core lore of ASOIAF as the horror of GoT becomes farther and farther removed. I feel cleansed. Time to turn notifications back on (though I could never quit either of you 😘😂)

  • @manofhonor1685
    @manofhonor1685 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I'm seriously looking forward to these videos. You two are reviving the asoiaf youtube scene

  • @gregorykavivya875
    @gregorykavivya875 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The dragons will know Dany's guys. Barristan's plan was that the dragons would recognize Dany's horse

    • @christophertracy7136
      @christophertracy7136 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Viserion is beautiful in the books! He's white with golden wings and pale colored 🔥 fire!

  • @dtoniosolomon3349
    @dtoniosolomon3349 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s 2024 and TWOW may not be here but at least we share the long night with these two 🥷🏻🥷🏻🥷🏽🥷🏾🥷🏿

  • @arnabsaha9778
    @arnabsaha9778 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Ironborn are badass. Yes they are chauvanistic savages but sailing such a large distance with longships and then making the Yunkai shit themselves. They do have some reedimg qualities.

    • @made-line7627
      @made-line7627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And it gives Stannis an even more incredible military record having led the only command of a victory *against* the Ironborn - at sea. They're both pretty badass.

    • @billybobsac4421
      @billybobsac4421 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Remember there gonna have to fight the volantis fleet that yunkai and sell sword are waiting on

  • @nathankroening3687
    @nathankroening3687 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    have you ever thought of doing audiobooks or voice acting? Your voice is amazing and I'd love to hear you do more narrations.

  • @princeprocrastinate6485
    @princeprocrastinate6485 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dragonbinder is blown, Viserion is drawn to it, mesmerised by it, then he turns and flies away off to the west. A few hundred pages later and Viserion shows up in Westeros, he lands before Euron Greyjoy and bows to his new master.

    • @Karamazov9
      @Karamazov9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dragons don’t bow and also it’s so weird how you want to take this lady’s dragon

  • @johnevans7633
    @johnevans7633 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tyrion probably does have the skills to solve Dany's problems in Meereen... but beyond proving his value and loyalty, why would he want to do that? It would arguably be more in his interest to do the opposite -- make it seem utterly hopeless for her to hold the city, at the same time as he reveals to her that Aegon has gone to Westeros.
    From a narrative perspective, Dany is already out of Meereen, probably headed to Vaes Dothrak, and presumably due to visit Volantis, Pentos and possibly Braavos on her way to Westeros. I really don't see the next book devoting any time to her re-establishing herself in Meereen only to promptly leave. I imagine Tyrion would encourage her to set up a locally respected puppet ruler who can be trusted to keep slavery illegal in her absence.

  • @deathGod252
    @deathGod252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I guess I should subscribe to Lucifer

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      **bats eyelashes**

    • @deathGod252
      @deathGod252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DavidLightbringer I'm sure I wont be disappointed

    • @tracymetherell8744
      @tracymetherell8744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You will enjoy all of his content. He produces some of the best researched, best thought out content in all of ASOIAF. You are in for a treat.

    • @QuinnsIdeas
      @QuinnsIdeas  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Indeed.

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    After just finishing doing a Feast with Dragons readthrough I have to ask: how could anyone think Dany would burn King’s Landing? Her Mereen storyline is logical and compassionate to a fault.

  • @wisdommanari6701
    @wisdommanari6701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Sooo... Call me cynical but I always thought that Moquorro (spelling) was just telling Vic. What he wanted to hear. It's vague and plays to his insecurities and Vanity. So of course he's drink it up.
    Also while we the readers may like Tyrion no one in Slavers Bay should like him. He has military intelligence on KL but Barristan also knows that city well. Him giving up info on Casterly Rock is about all he's good for. If Danny takes the 2nd sons back it'll be because of Jorrah as she repeatedly misses him and think of him in the Dothraki Sea. Also we know that the Ironborn treat weakness with contempt why in the world would Vic. Tolerate Tyrion?
    Not to mention even if Battistan isn't betrayed by the Brasen Beasts he can't just add all these others to the Counsel with that much foreign influence on the Rule. All hell would break loose.

    • @manofhonor1685
      @manofhonor1685 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He had some line about a bright future which made me think he'll die to dragon fire

    • @wisdommanari6701
      @wisdommanari6701 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@manofhonor1685 lol that is perfect

    • @manofhonor1685
      @manofhonor1685 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@wisdommanari6701 I think you're right too though. I don't think moquorro (sp?) saw anything good for victarion lol

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@manofhonor1685
      I'm sure Vic will have an unhappy ending but I hope it's still a long way off.
      He's probably my favourite of all the new povs.

    • @legbiter1462
      @legbiter1462 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wisdom Manari' Oh 100% Moqorro is manipulating him to get to Dany. Still Victarions charred hand is pretty cool can’t wait to see him in battle.

  • @moonjelly5
    @moonjelly5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't see Barristan Selmy surviving long after the battle. My guess is that he is going to lead a successful attack against the slavers, then come back and see that the Shavepate has murdered all of the hostages and Hizdahr. He will likely try to execute Shavepate and be killed by his soldiers. That is my guess anyway.

    • @isaacmartinez7557
      @isaacmartinez7557 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Low hanging fruit. I think he’ll at least see Dany return. The whole shavepate thing seems too easy with how many people believing what you jist wrote

    • @davidjones272
      @davidjones272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Barristan has to confirm who tyrion is to dany, not sure she would believe plumm and nobody else there knows him.

  • @lucashunt4172
    @lucashunt4172 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Had to catch up on one of the first vids featuring Dave I ever saw. Truly thinking Euron is going to team up with Cersei and Dany will have Griff as an ally before she heads North.

  • @coltonthomson7257
    @coltonthomson7257 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    LOVED this video. You guys make the best content together 💯

  • @moonjelly5
    @moonjelly5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Meereen is one White Walker invasion away from being a Dark Souls level.

  • @chadharper5535
    @chadharper5535 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Quinn, I have really enjoyed your videos for a while now, great to see you growing and thanks for introducing me to LML's content too! I may have missed it in the video, but do these 20 videos comprise the whole playlist for your and LML's Winds of Winter Predictions? I've been waiting to basically gorge myself on all of them in one pass. Keep up the great work! Sending love from North Carolina!

  • @RMAdams87
    @RMAdams87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What I'm wondering is if the various Dany teams will be able to unite. Tyrion has brought Brown Ben and his force to Dany's side, but it's been noted repeatedly that Daario HATES Ben and will try to murder him on sight. Barristan won't trust Tyrion or Victarion due to his knowledge and experience with Lannisters and Greyjoys. If Tyrion mentions that he's kinslayer and claim to be a kingslayer Barristan will not trust him or want him involved with Dany's government. I do see what you're saying about a possible grudging respect between Barristan and Victarion, but if he mentions how he or his brother is going to marry Dany and take control of her dragons, I'm not sure he will want Victarion to remain either. I can see a grudging alliance between those two. The only way Tyrion can force his way into an alliance would be if he claimed Viserion.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you don't think his political skills and knowledge of Westeros will make him invaluable?

    • @RMAdams87
      @RMAdams87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DavidLightbringer I think Tyrion's political knowledge makes him invaluable. But I'm not a character in the books. The question is if the other characters feel that way. Will Barristan see that? Or will he see him as a Lannister, hear his sassy belligerence where he admits to being a kinslayer, and connect him to triple-time turncloak Brown Ben and completely bar Tyrion from power? I guess I just see a lot of barriers to these men uniting easily.

    • @nah1677
      @nah1677 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Tyrion also has great skills in manipulating people and situations to benefit himself it’s what he did in the vale, kings landing, and again with the slavers we also know that Barristan is one of the best warriors and war commander but not all that great when it comes to playing politics and people

    • @stfnknbb
      @stfnknbb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stellar comment! I like what you say about the dynamics. I cannot imagine any of the big three not totally despising each other, and I'd totally forgotten about the animosity between Dario and Brown Ben

  • @_Woody_
    @_Woody_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A great Video as always guys.
    But I still miss those talk videos with just book artwork in the background, but I think we have a good mix up here.
    Keep up the great work you two, the books are still on top of fantasy hill.
    I will just ignore the people who trash on ASoIaF, just because the series was utter trash.
    Imagine LotR having garbage movies, then everyone would trash about that story aswell.
    People really are sheep.

  • @post-leftluddite
    @post-leftluddite 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I absolutely love the reference to thr 1986 animated move the Transformers.... When I was 5 years old I'd rent it every weekend from our local video store (I'm 35 years old).... That and the animated movie "Wizards" by Ralph Bakshi

  • @TheCbot88
    @TheCbot88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just realized Jorah is going to kill Barristan… 😮😧😧

  • @maximumryan3647
    @maximumryan3647 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think one of the biggest factors in the battle is going to be Drogon. Hopefully Dany will return mounted from the Dothraki Sea

  • @crissantos826
    @crissantos826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really like your videos, you made me read the books again, now i can't wait for the Winds, thanks!!!

  • @alisapatience9793
    @alisapatience9793 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video! I’m excited to see more!

  • @bengale9977
    @bengale9977 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wait what happened to Ideas of ice and fire? When did the name change happen?

    • @VenusianVirgo
      @VenusianVirgo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Not long ago. I guess because he talks about alot of different things and not just asoiaf he decided to change his name.

    • @alphaomikron4008
      @alphaomikron4008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Quinn is posting a lot of Dune related stuff as well as other literary works so it was apropriate to change his channel name

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alphaomikron4008 yep, too many ideas to be confined by merely two elements

  • @thupple
    @thupple 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic host pairing! Wonderful ideas! Gorgeous art! Yayayay 🥰👍❤️🌳❤️

  • @borgbariano120
    @borgbariano120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    operation dothraki freedom

  • @lordodysseus
    @lordodysseus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    About Dragonbinder, I remember Preston Jacobs made a video about it and he thought it was actually a slave horn. I dunno. Just a thought.

  • @isabellamego5321
    @isabellamego5321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can see Victarion and Tyrion bonding with each other. Oh, we killed our former lover/spouse

  • @fullcomicalchemist2195
    @fullcomicalchemist2195 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A Dance With Dragons became my second favourite book in the series thanks to Victarion and he became my favourite charter of that book his chapters where a great new perspective and his story was phenomenal in my opinion and I was heartbroken when he was cut out of the show and the made that bastardised mash up of Euron and Victarion.

  • @mommiesaurus
    @mommiesaurus 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Here I am.
    Rock me like a hurricane.

  • @jamaicandondada9024
    @jamaicandondada9024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3rd time im re-watching the whole playlist, 0 regrets

  • @bruceswayn9628
    @bruceswayn9628 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I haven’t come across anyone who has realized Danny’s campaign is playing out similar to the basic steps of the start of the Valyrian empire. Fighting 5 wars with the empire of Ghis. By the time Danny finishes in slavers bay it looks as if she will fight 5 battles/ wars.
    1. Astapor
    2. Yunkai
    3. Taking Meereen
    4. The siege of Meereen by Yunkai and allies (New Ghis, Tolos, Sellswords)
    5. After her return, the Volantene fleet

  • @nicholasford4687
    @nicholasford4687 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I have a theory I don’t think it’s popular or likely but it’s something. I think that when the dragons horn is blown the two dragons will go to Dany in the Dothraki sea. I know this has way to many holes but I personally think it’s likely and it gives the dragons some armor. That would be a great scene Dany with all three dragons and the Dothraki rolling up to Meereen. Let me know what you guys think.

    • @lonemotheo1964
      @lonemotheo1964 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it's possible..... We're constantly told over and over that a dragon is not a slave so the idea that a dragon would bind it self to Victoreon or Euron once the horn is blown is a bit rediculous to me....

  • @countbalerionofhousetatter2624
    @countbalerionofhousetatter2624 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dragon party! Tyrion will have to come up to speed with the language and culture in Meereen. But that shouldn't be hard for someone as clever as he is.

  • @eric2500
    @eric2500 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is one person we know the dragons liked - Brown Ben

  • @talitafranco7230
    @talitafranco7230 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks to remind me that I love this books so much! Every since the end of the show I can’t find my want to do anything with ASOIF! But I love the books so much and really want to get back with all things ASOIF!! So thanks for that!! This videos have me back with my love!❤️

  • @amandaofhouserobinson6707
    @amandaofhouserobinson6707 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this Collab !! Awesome work. Thanks to both of you !!

  • @Joggi98
    @Joggi98 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My biggest question is how long the second siege of Meereen is going to last. Like, will it still be going on once Dany arrives with her big ol' Dothraki army like Gandalf in Two Towers?

  • @mpalfadel2008
    @mpalfadel2008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bravo Quinn n Lucifer means lightbringer
    Thanks for keeping the content coming

  • @johnobrien6185
    @johnobrien6185 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THANK YOU! FINALLY A PR0gram on u tube. THat is very knowledgable about the books.I usually don't ever watch prediction shows.Your team has done a professional job.Please keep up the good work.

  • @GrandAdmThrawn
    @GrandAdmThrawn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    But Dumb and Dumber killed Ser Barristan in season 5.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      we trying to resurrect his memory, yes

    • @marcusanark2541
      @marcusanark2541 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was awful, Ser Barristan Selmy the bold deserves better!

    • @GrandAdmThrawn
      @GrandAdmThrawn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The only 'good' thing from that scene was that we could finally see him in action - he killed like 24 bad guys there. Still...a shitty end for a great character cause Dumb and Dumber didn't know what to do with him :(

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrandAdmThrawn
      Maybe if GRRM intended him to die in the battle he'll now keep him alive to give the book fans something different

    • @GrandAdmThrawn
      @GrandAdmThrawn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hard to tell honestly. They could just let him live and stay back in Meereen instead killing him (heroic death but still a death).

  • @bassanimation
    @bassanimation 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Super excited to see you guys together for this series! Both of you are my favorite ASOIAF content creators. You guys keep me hyped for Winds, that's for sure. I look forward to this series from you!

  • @threeeyedgoddess7635
    @threeeyedgoddess7635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great idea you two to do this series on TWOW - we fans are filled with yearning for the book, it feels so close...

  • @SquashGuy02134
    @SquashGuy02134 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just can't wait to see the Iron Fleet in slavers bay, i was so excited for that scene, then they didn't put Victarian in the show, and I was sad.

  • @stymee-9673
    @stymee-9673 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Food for thought, Daeny could test F'aegon with dragon binder to see if he's a true dragon.

  • @TheJaviferrol
    @TheJaviferrol 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always feel my IQ rise when i see the videos of this channel

  • @zarombiste9158
    @zarombiste9158 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Alll nice but this psychedelic background sound while reading is creepy and is nothing like in style to game of thrones. I would imagine this sound at lovecraft or dune but nut asoiaf

  • @mandeepkaur5740
    @mandeepkaur5740 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    People always assume Dany will react positively to Tyrion ....
    Like Jorah brings her a Kingslaying (as far as she knows) and Kinslaying dwarf of Lannister... and people expect her to be in awe of his genius and immediately. Or maybe after he displays his cleverness in some way, they expect her to give him the position of arguably the second most powerful person in the world (the dragon queen's hand).
    Maybe she'll end up meeting him, but I highly doubt that she would ever trust Tyrion enough to take any of his advice or place much value in his knowledge.
    She has Marwyn the Mage coming to her anyways. Also, she doesn't need Tyrion's help for literally anything. He definitely needs her though, if he ever wants to live in Westeros again...

  • @geoffwilliams6072
    @geoffwilliams6072 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    people talk about other people riding dany's dragons. but im thinking the dragons might lay new eggs. snakes reach sexual maturity in 1-2 years. also larger lizards reach it in 3-4 years , with small lizards 1-2

  • @CormanoGoneWild
    @CormanoGoneWild 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This video is very cool, very swag. I like it!

  • @KareBear-th6vq
    @KareBear-th6vq 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aw man....you both posted these videos in the wrong order, so when you hit play it starts with the last video and ends on this video. I just watched them all in reverse! Lmao!! Well....guess this means it's time to watch them all again in the correct order!!! 😂😂😂🤪

  • @Matteus2109
    @Matteus2109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    GAAAAHHHHH!!! I'm so f*cking READY!!!

  • @anansimaluma6410
    @anansimaluma6410 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    DAMN QUINN WITCHO FINEASS

  • @sabrinakrisb4672
    @sabrinakrisb4672 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm honestly fairly convinced Euron is actually Daario

    • @lordodysseus
      @lordodysseus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like this theory but I'm still on the fence. It's really interesting and Preston Jacobs made a really convincing argument.

    • @sabrinakrisb4672
      @sabrinakrisb4672 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lordodysseus Can I ask why you're on the fence about it? I guess it is a bit of a stretch for him to be able to travel long distances quickly?

    • @joshhoffman5233
      @joshhoffman5233 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Kris B I am def not a believer in it. The timelines don’t add up. He’s prisoner supposedly with the yunkish now and euron is in the redwyne straits. And he’s been with Dany since Yunkai. It’s after yunkai he appears in Westeros. I know you can imagine lots of back and forth but it just seems so unnecessary besides being a huge stretch. Also, no crows eye and smiling eye. It’s possible euron can work a glamour. But again, assuming stuff.
      Euron May have been the Corsair king.
      And I do buy the idea I first heard from Preston that euron is warging the dusky woman. He’s def a few steps ahead of Victarion.
      What do you think of the order of the Greenhand idea that Mance is Arthur dayne and tormand is gerold Hightower?
      That’s another fun one that I def don’t believe

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joshhoffman5233
      LML is good on this.
      A lot of characters are symbolically equivalent, who doesn't at all mean they're identical.

    • @davidjones272
      @davidjones272 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is possibly the stupidest theory ever created unless he can teleport.

  • @piediddly
    @piediddly 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really enjoyed this guys, thanks very much! Looking forward to more of these. =)

  • @72XchevelleX454
    @72XchevelleX454 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    14:14 "All Tyrion has is his wits" .... but let's not forget the army of sell swords he bought with promises of gold when he becomes lord of Casterly Rock.

  • @sierrabird3817
    @sierrabird3817 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ..."probably gonna play an instrumental role"
    Me: ahaha, I see what you did there