Makes a lot of sense to me. Kakariko village was reached by going up a large set of stone steps and moving the town higher up in the surrounding mountains also makes sense. Good theory bro
I've never actually played Wind Waker, but my boyfriend was playing it once and I instantly recognized it! I didn't have a grand theory behind it but I did think it was cool that there was a connection through the music.
something else that will blow your mind is that outset island has pieces of kokiri forest's mixed in, which is fitting given that link starts there. oh! and forest haven has some bits of lost woods and kokiri forest in it too. what will blow you mind EVEN MORE is that every zelda game uses bits and pieces of songs from other zelda games in its music. okay maybe that doesn't blow your mind as much but it is true!
holy crap i must have played wind waker at least three times, at one point even clearing it, and i never noticed it either even though it's probably one of my favorite tracks from the game!!
I think Windfall was founded by the descendants of Kakariko Village. The definition of the word windfall is where something ends up. Usually in reference to fruit blown from trees. I think in the aftermath of the flood, the people of Kakariko scrambled for high land seeking land. And Windfall Island is where they ended up. Designing their new home after their old one.
@@loki4807mabye she's dead? Her reincarnations usually take a longer time to come back for some reason, mabye she died during the failed attempt of stopping ganon and didn't reincarnate yet
Since the creators don't care about lore as much as fans, I've come to terms with the idea that the Hylian kingdom just advance their lands through peace treaties, or even hostile takeovers. Snowy mountains and a snow temple were supposed to be in Ocarina but we're limited to being just ice caverns, so since 100 years or so passed between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, I can just safely assume Hyrule didn't house snowy mountains in their Kingdom, but through imperial expansion, eventually did.
I think I can see Dragon's Roost being Zora's Domain. The area where Jabujabu resides looks like a massive crator. This could elude to Zora's domain being an inactive volcano.
@@Faxanadu_ Also I think it's directly stated somewhere, maybe in the hyrule historia or elsewhere, but yeah I believe they are. Also I'm assuming that the Zora fled during the great flood to somewhere else in the world, however the ones that remained were forced to evolve, or use magic to change their form (I dont believe the time between OoT and WW was nearly enough time for anything to evolve so drastically) This explains why there are Zoras and Rito and Botw. The question is, how did Zora become rito in the other two timelines? As botw is basically the inevitable outcome of all timelines as stated by the developers, or something like that...
@@medb1996 It's implied for BotW that those are separate breeds from each other, however. Wind Waker's Rito being Zora originally is all but certain, considering the sages are meant to be ancestors of Makar and Medli, meaning they are from the same bloodline somehow.
@@medb1996 Part of the reason we have both the Rito and Zoras in BotW is due to the fact that the River Zoras became the Rito while the sea Zoras did not after all the Sea Zora's could live in the ocean with out to much trouble
We've seen Kakariko straight up move locations entirely before in Twilight Princess, I personally feel that with the strange placement of it, this could have been a new Kakariko Village built after some disaster in the original and designed to match the original as closely as they could, possibly mere years after the events of Ocarina of Time, that could explain the difference in location while giving a valid reason for it to be so similar in layout.
Probably not much, but in OOT the only potion shops are in Castle Town and Kakariko, and in WW the only potion shops are in Windfall and Forest Haven. So, discounting forest Haven, as that's weird korok stuff, I guess it'd make sense that the only potion shop is in Windfall, being that the residents from Castle Town and Kakariko ended up on windfall.
They did. This video is just a theory. If windfall was kakariko then Death Mountain would also be next to Windfall. Windfall is a new town built after the flood.
@@tbone8358 he explains in the video how the location doesn't disprove his theory either tho since locations in Zelda games are a bit sporadic at times
I feel like if Hyrule were flooded, and people were in a rush to get to the mountaintops, it would be those same people who built the towns. It would make a lot of sense that they might build their new homes in a similar style as the old to feel more at home. This would explain many of the similarities that are present while not being an exact match. IMO, I believe the Kakariko from OoT was completely flooded simply due to the fact that Hyrule Castle is *waaaayyyy* deep, and Kakariko wasn't all that higher in elevation. As for the other similarities, I'd say they pretty much all check out. The graveyard may be more symbolic than literal. The bomb shop may have still been a windmill at some point, though not necessarily the same one as Kakariko's.
I love this theory. Wind Waker is my favorite Zelda game, and it's awesome that there can be new things to discover and talk about after all this time that it's been out. As a kid, I never completed the sea chart, so there were still new islands I discovered after picking up the game 15 years later. I'd love to see more videos about the origin of the islands of the great sea. Keep up the good work!
I’d love to see you cover the theory that the Forsaken Fortress is actually Gerudo fortress, and that the “small time pirates” Tetra mentions were the descendants of the Gerudo. It might not be a big theory, but it’s something I’ve thought of a lot
I remember playing wind waker as a kid and always coming back to Windfall Island. It was and still is my favorite island. It's just so... beautiful to see such a flourishing, wholesome (or so I thought) town in the drowned world. Sometimes I just ran around and made my own little stories up.
It's undoubtedly not the original Kakariko. If it is, that would mean Hyrule is barely even flooded. My view is that it's a new Kakariko, one created higher up.
Your theories and lore never fail, and are honestly the best among any other channel covering Zelda lore. I hope you cover the Ikana or more from Majora's Mask some day. Hopefully Nintendo will take some notes and fix their timeline xD
There's no need to "fix" the timeline because it's not important to the enjoyment of the games. Besides, there's nothing wrong with the timeline given.
@@tbone8358 No one said it was nor had to be relevant to the enjoyment of the games. :p As a strong supporter of the timeline, I happen to prefer the current arrangement, but it isn't without its inconsistencies and blanks points. I think there's room for more stories in-between, such as Twilight Princess to Four Swords Adventures, but that's left to the lore junkies and theorists until Nintendo (without ret-conning in Encyclopedia 2.0) intervenes. Supposedly Nintendo listed BotW at the end of the timeline(s) so either all have converged, or one remains. Or Nintendo simply wants to move on from the Timeline given. We need a few more games before receiving any updates.
This is why I love your theories. You dig SO deep and provide extremely thoughtful and accurate evidence (that I would personally never think about) while remaining fun and surprising.
What if when Hyrule got flooded, the landmarks that had the most people were raised to not have a massive amount of death? Same idea when the Zoras domain became a mountain the Zora evolved into the Rito
Personally I always that that evolution was due to the danger. A lot of people are confused as to why Zoras would turn into birds when they seem perfectly suited a flooded world... But then you have to remember all the monsters now inhabiting the great sea, like Big Octos and the shark things (forgot their names.) The water is no longer safe, so Zoras adapted to fly over it.
@Zachary Erickson is that true? Had no idea, I mean it does have contradictions and a lack of cohesion. But I can't blame the writers, as much as I love lore and story driven games the developers kind of shot themselves in the foot with a specific version of hyrule. Limiting their creativity and expansion on zelda series. Mainly in core titles I believe.
You should do a video on the location of Hyrule castle in wind waker and how it ended up in lake hylia with the desert (ganon's tower is on a desert) right besides it
It's probably not Lake Hylia. It may look like it but thats just an assumption due to the lake. I consider this map my head canon of what Hyrule looked like before the flood. www.deviantart.com/mrjmzack/art/Lost-Kingdom-351748803
I could watch videos of Zelda lore and theory all day. Majora's Mask and WW are particularly chock full of both. I don't think Windfall is Kakariko, but as other people have mentioned, probably built from inspiration of the Hylians' former home. If they are the same place however, it could be explained in that perhaps along with Hyrule being flooded, the lands were altered, similar to Middle Earth in Tolkien's legendarium. At various points in Arda's history the land is broken and changed; seas disappear while new ones are created, Beleriand sank into the sea, mountains were raised etc. I think the loose ends in video game worlds are the most beautiful part of them as it leaves room for the imagination to fill in. I have a whole world created in my head for where Link would have ended up had he continued riding through the Lost Woods in MM instead of going through the portal
I’m so glad that you are zooming into Wind Walker, a lot of channels talk a lot on more popular Zelda titles (nothing wrong with that by the way). And the other Zelda games get brushed off and just left behind. It’s very a fresh different and new take on this very vast Zelda franchise.
Honestly an all round great video and theory, the windmill connection is something else man,,,, I also can't get over how amazing your intros are, talking about the backstory of WindWaker and about how everyone lives on the mountain tops of a forgotten land, honestly some amazing work here as always. Great video!
Everytime, I go into one of your theory videos thinking "this is just a coincidence/vague homage, they don't pay that much attention to this sort of thing." And consistently, by the end, I'm convinced it was wholly intentional. Nice work!
It is actually already officially confirmed that the people from Kakariko Village moved to Windfall Island. The Zelda Encyclopedia (which was officially published by Nintendo) states: - The People of Hyrule Castle Town and the nearby Kakariko Village are on Windfall Island It also says: - Zoras Domain became Dragon Roost Island -Lake Hylia, connected to Zoras Domain through an underwater passage, is Greatfish Isle, former home of Jabun - The Gerudo Fortress in the desert is now the Forsaken Fortress, fittingly occupied by Ganondorf - Outset Island and Ordon Village are similar Places in different Worlds - To adapt to a world composed mostly of water, the Kokiri became the Koroks. The Great Deku Tree is the same Great Deku Tree from the era of the Hero of Time, and that the Kokiri Forest has become Forest Haven.
Amazing! Keep the Sheikah and or Wind Waker theories coming! Oh, and someday, could you look into a theory for me? In Triforce Heroes, perhaps the red, blue, and green (hidden behind a tree) dopples are the cursed forms of Din, Nauru, and Farore's chosen heroes...the Triforce Heroes!
If you rotate the OoT map about 45 degrees clockwise then it matches up more accurately with the WW map. Forsaken Fortress = Gerudo's Fortress Lake Hylia = around the same area as Greatfish Isle Castle Town / Kakariko Village = around the same area as Windfall island Death Mountain = Dragonroost Island / Fire Mountain Kokiri Forest = Forest Haven Hyrule Field / Lon Lon Ranch = Tower of the Gods / Hyrule Castle
I’m so glad you went over this theory, it’s been one of my favorites. I’d have liked to hear more defense against “Kakoriko isn’t a mountaintop” as that is still a super solid argument. Imo, Windfall is definitely supposed to be Kakoriko, but the continuity of the series has always struggled from game to game so that’s why the location is so weird. Solid video, loved the stacked windmill comparison photo.
I have a detail you might find useful for the next island. That being that the forest haven clearly is a petrified tree from which other vegetation sprouts from. Given the magical properties of the spring, it is likely the former Great Deku Tree. As for the near island where we save Makar, I am actually unsure. It is overgrown and decomposing as shown by the toxic waters inside. It made me think back to how the previous Great Deku Tree has been tainted by Ganon and asked us to help him. But if that truly was his remains, what is the Forest Haven? See my dilemma? One could argue it is the upper half that snapped off and “replanted” itself.
Dragon Roost is Death Mountain. I own the Historia, and I don't remember it saying that it's Zora's Domain. (Not bothering to dig it out right now.) I remember it saying the Zora evolved into Rito (which is also really dumb) but not that their home became Dragon Roost. But even if it did, it's not canon. It's a temporary head canon made by the developers at best. The very first page it said something to the effect of "This is an explanation of events based on what we know now and may change in the future." Meaning it's their current head canon, but they don't expect to be held to it when making future games. And in BOTW we have both Rito and Zora so as far as I'm concerned, that's one detail Nintendo has already abandoned. Anyway, Death Mountain has always been the tallest point in Hyrule. As much as Nintendo's geography changes, that has always been constant. Dragon Roost is Death Mountain.
Me: *reads thumbnail* "Pha, show me your pathetic theory!" Zeltik: "My channel has no pathetic theories!" Me: *get's destroid by facts and solid arguments*
Surprisingly, Zeltics Theory Videos are fine, supported and less "speculative" but rather convincing. And he never "Forces" a Theory. Whats why it makes fun to watch (for me).
If you mute the sound and just look at the pictures you quickly realize that its physically impossible for it to be the same place because Kakariko was located in between a mountain range so in order for it to be on top of the water it would have had to be raised up to the same level as Zora's domain (Now Dragon roost island). He also completely neglects to mention that Hyrule castle sits HIGHER than Kakariko village in elevation......the same castle that's now at the bottom of the ocean......with a LOT of water above it which can be seen in the cinematic. Map inconsistency alone can not account for a miles height difference in elevation, my 12 year old figured that out half way threw the video..... This guy has put out a LOT of great videos but hes also putting out comment theorys that make no sense when you actually take a step back and look at it without the "rose tinted timeline glasses" on.
I've been watching your videos all night. They're quite fascinating. I always just thought that they carry over themes, ideas, music, and Easter eggs between the games. The way you use your knowledge of Hyrulian lore to create these theories is fascinating, and fits together really well. Bravo.
I think geography is generally not a good enough evidence since locations are erratically changed over many games, and that would suggest elevation as well. So Windfall is Kakariko in a universe where Kakariko is located higher up than what it is in OOT. Plus, all the evidence as suggested in your video on top supports it.
I just find Windwaker so magical, it invokes feelings of pure joy in me just from standing around, taking in those colorful sights and enjoying that wonderful music
@@GameparkGames each province in the game have named areas to commemorate past members of those tribes even all of the divine beasts names are call backs urbosa says as much. It's not a coincidence.
@@ralcogaming7674 Dude, in Breath of the Wild in the Eventide Island is a beach named Toronbo and a rock named Koholit, which are clearly references to Toronbo Shores and Koholint Island, and their are from a world that actually doesn't exist. I am not saying that what Encyclopedia says about Termina is true or not, but I do say that is not actually a good argument what you said.
As a kid, I've always wanted to live on Windfall Island, it's one of my favorite places in the Zelda franchise, if not my favorite. Thanks for the video !
i was sold on the Windfall-Kakariko theory ever since i landed on the island way back on the Gamecube version of WW...its the Music, to me...Outset Island has hints and tones of the Kokiri Forest (since they were the 'starting points' for Link in WW and OoT)...Windfall's theme has a few measures lifted straight out of Kakariko's, smoothed into the rest of the blend... ...and as i type this comment, its the first point you mention -_- nevermind then...
Counter-arguments in a theory video, that's very professional and shows that you actually care about the truth value of your ideas. It's like you're an actual historian for Hyrule
I've seen people get pissy about this everywhere recently. It's just an idiosyncrasy of the non-American English accent. It's a liaison typical to the accent which helps to keep the words flowing without creating a harsh pause in the middle of a phrase, you find them everywhere, in every language.
This is my first and favorite Zelda game, and I haven't been able to play it since I was about 12. It was such a magical game for me and I'm currently binging your videos about it to experience some nostalgia
Considering that it was also built on the side of an active volcano, that's not out of the question because it means there's a lot of tectonic activity. Furthermore, the original caldera of Death Mountain could've collapsed as plates shifted from having a whole bunch of extra water poured on them, and since it seems to be a hotspot style volcano (as evidenced by its consistent eruptions, as well as several other reasons) the hotspot might've been moved under what is now Windfall Island and is pushing its elevation up. I wouldn't be too surprised if there's magma venting out of the sides of the volcano beneath the village, because otherwise it likely would've popped sometime recently.
Also, if you rotate the OoT map about 45 degrees clockwise then it matches up more accurately with the WW map. Forsaken Fortress = Gerudo's Fortress Lake Hylia = around the same area as Greatfish Isle Castle Town / Kakariko Village = around the same area as Windfall island Death Mountain = Dragonroost Island / Fire Mountain Kokiri Forest = Forest Haven Hyrule Field / Lon Lon Ranch = Tower of the Gods / Hyrule Castle
I would often question where all of the mountain tops that make the islands came from, it could be possible that more were created and some locations were elevated after Ganondorf escaped and went on a rampage.
Why do you get 50 rupees from the guy in a yellow shirt next to the stone entrance/bridge, if you talk to him after having placed a Rito statue on it? Is this a Zelda mystery? (It is to me, and it was among the many cool I managed to discover as a kid without internet playing this game.) (Like, if you save and quit, after entering the room where you're supposed to draw the master sword, when you load you're placed where the dialogue triggers!) (In one of the "Dig Caverns", where you shoot 5 torches with flame arrows... If you sidle along the ship to the right side of where you enterm it makes you void out! :O)
How about more music comparisons? I loved how you played clips back-to-back like that, and I noticed at 1:58 the music sounds like an altered take on part of the Hyrule Field theme from Ocarina. Excited to see more Wind Waker theory vids. :)
Judging by the OoT map, Hyrule Castle is much higher up than Kakariko village. If Hyrule Castle is submerged so deep under the ocean, there's no way Kakariko survived the flood
I’ve always thought that the two cities were linked, for sure, but this gave me concrete reasons why (I hadn’t played OoT much, but WW hundreds of times) the connection I’ve always been fascinated by was the one with Forest Haven and the Lost Woods. I would greatly appreciate an analysis of those from you. Thanks for all the hard work you put into your videos!
6:35 - Fun fact: the town of Whitby in England has a church with a graveyard next to a cliff. Some of the graveyard is known to have collapsed due to the erosion. This feature is present in the text of Bram Stoker's Dracula, since Dracula arrives in England through the port of Whitby.
The connections are definitely there, and yes I would imagine that they rebuilt Kakariko on higher plane level after the great flood, but after 1,000 years the land would of shifted drastically and changed form to what it is in Wind Waker. Either that or they settled upon Death Mountain after it falling dormant during the great flood, which would make more sense since it's elevation height puts it up higher than the rest of where Hyrule once was.
Tbh I think you are right about alot of stuff on this. Just made me wonder, if it just hasnt been remodeld after Kakariko. They moved locations and rebuild it in memory of Kakariko. Dunno would solve the geografical issue imo.
They would have had to move kakariko was in a low plain not a mountain top, given how deep the water is shown to be when we head down into hyrule castle and if memory serves me right hyrule castle was on a higher place than kakariko.
I never noticed the instruments from Windfall and Castle Town being similar! :-D I would love to watch more videos about Wind Waker islands and Ocarina counterparts.
I would actually say that Wind Waker's map is the closest to mimicking a map from a previous Zelda game (being Ocarina of Time of course). A big example of this is Forest Haven/Forbidden Forest being identically placed to where Kokiri Forest and The Great Deku Tree are in Ocarina of Time. Although they're not in the _exact_ spots, Windfall Island and Dragon Roost Island are in in the same portion of the map that Kakariko and Death Mountain are. Not to mention, the Rito (which are evolved from Zoras) living on Dragon Roost would make sense. If Zora's Domain flooded, the closest spot of land above sea would have been Death Mountain's peak, so it would make sense for them to migrate there. Windfall might not be the literal grounds of Kakariko, but it's possible it is the town after it moved. Although, despite the fact that Kakariko is not very elevated, it could be the designers of the game still meant for Windfall to be Kakariko quite literally. I think you proved that when you overlayed them over each other.
Great video! Always blows my mind to see the level of detail creators go to when fleshing out lore like this. Keep up the awesome work, I love your stuff!
I honestly think when Hyrule was flooded and in the legends they say the people moved up to the mountain tops to create new settlements, I’m sure Windfall was the last inhabitants of Karariko village moving up onto a nearby mountain top creating a town that was very reminiscent (on purpose) of retaining the history and the town that they lost. It honestly just makes sense.
Do you think Windfall Island was once Kakariko Village? Thanks to GamingBrad for the comment inspiring this video!
Thanks for the shoutout man!!
Imagine someone replying "yea, that theory is so true" when it hasn't even been that long since the video was posted.
It's possible that the gods helped with the elevation of the village especially if they were able to submerge the world
Makes a lot of sense to me. Kakariko village was reached by going up a large set of stone steps and moving the town higher up in the surrounding mountains also makes sense. Good theory bro
I think the Stone Taluses are aliens that's for sure.
So Tingle's jail cell is actually the Shadow Temple
Makes sense
The place he belongs to.
And we helped him escape...
@@Tahkaullus01 .😱😱😨😨 that's a pretty scary thought now that i really think about it.
@@lucareystargaryen1365 Then you are thinking about it correctly.
I can't believe I never noticed Windfall's music being sped up Kakariko. Wow mind blown lol.
I've never actually played Wind Waker, but my boyfriend was playing it once and I instantly recognized it! I didn't have a grand theory behind it but I did think it was cool that there was a connection through the music.
I was about to comment on it myself. All the times I played the game, I paid more attention to the townsfolk to stop and truly take in the music.
something else that will blow your mind is that outset island has pieces of kokiri forest's mixed in, which is fitting given that link starts there.
oh! and forest haven has some bits of lost woods and kokiri forest in it too.
what will blow you mind EVEN MORE is that every zelda game uses bits and pieces of songs from other zelda games in its music. okay maybe that doesn't blow your mind as much but it is true!
holy crap i must have played wind waker at least three times, at one point even clearing it, and i never noticed it either even though it's probably one of my favorite tracks from the game!!
Same
I think Windfall was founded by the descendants of Kakariko Village. The definition of the word windfall is where something ends up. Usually in reference to fruit blown from trees. I think in the aftermath of the flood, the people of Kakariko scrambled for high land seeking land. And Windfall Island is where they ended up. Designing their new home after their old one.
That was also my thought. It would be weird for the displaced Kakariko citizens to *not* have similar architecture and themes to the Kakariko in OoT.
Windfall can also refer to an unexpected occurrence of wealth or good fortune, which could be a double meaning with its marketplace themes.
What I wanna know is Where is Impa's incarnation during all this?
@@loki4807mabye she's dead? Her reincarnations usually take a longer time to come back for some reason, mabye she died during the failed attempt of stopping ganon and didn't reincarnate yet
Video about Hyrule's geographic through the timeline. That's my dream.
YES
ABSOLUTELY YESSS
I have a personal theory on that but it's blunt and simple, lol.
YES
Since the creators don't care about lore as much as fans, I've come to terms with the idea that the Hylian kingdom just advance their lands through peace treaties, or even hostile takeovers.
Snowy mountains and a snow temple were supposed to be in Ocarina but we're limited to being just ice caverns, so since 100 years or so passed between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, I can just safely assume Hyrule didn't house snowy mountains in their Kingdom, but through imperial expansion, eventually did.
You forgot to look for one obvious clue. Does Windfall have an ancient, forgotten torture chamber beneath an old well containing dead body water?
I imagine the entire sea contains dead body water, and the area under the village would be flooded with it yes. #Confirmed
@@ShaggyDabbyDank And that's why I never swim in the ocean.
There's also the area inside tingles jail cell
Where did we find Tingle again
@@somedragonbastard True, but that prison didn't exactly come off as dark and bloody like the bottom of the well.
wow.... The scenery shots your collected for this video.. Very dedicated to your work sir!
Shesez Oh my lawd. You are my hero Shesez
LOVE YOUR VIDS
Lol wow, and I was thinking of you when I saw them!!
I think I can see Dragon's Roost being Zora's Domain. The area where Jabujabu resides looks like a massive crator. This could elude to Zora's domain being an inactive volcano.
Due to the sages you release being a Kokiri ( Makar ) and a Zora ( Medli ), it's kind of implied that Kokiri became Koroks and Zora became Rito.
@@Faxanadu_ well, sorta. we DO see zora and rito co-existing together in Breath of the wild, so its more that rito were divergent from zoras
@@Faxanadu_ Also I think it's directly stated somewhere, maybe in the hyrule historia or elsewhere, but yeah I believe they are. Also I'm assuming that the Zora fled during the great flood to somewhere else in the world, however the ones that remained were forced to evolve, or use magic to change their form (I dont believe the time between OoT and WW was nearly enough time for anything to evolve so drastically) This explains why there are Zoras and Rito and Botw. The question is, how did Zora become rito in the other two timelines? As botw is basically the inevitable outcome of all timelines as stated by the developers, or something like that...
@@medb1996 It's implied for BotW that those are separate breeds from each other, however. Wind Waker's Rito being Zora originally is all but certain, considering the sages are meant to be ancestors of Makar and Medli, meaning they are from the same bloodline somehow.
@@medb1996 Part of the reason we have both the Rito and Zoras in BotW is due to the fact that the River Zoras became the Rito while the sea Zoras did not after all the Sea Zora's could live in the ocean with out to much trouble
I don’t think that Windfall is Kakriko but I do believe that the people of Kakariko village built Windfall to resemble their old home
This is what I think too.
both theories make a lot of sense though
I was going to comment the same thing.
they fled to the mountains to the west of kakariko and after the flood built their new home there
Hawk Pants well that just sounds like kakariko but with extra steps
We've seen Kakariko straight up move locations entirely before in Twilight Princess, I personally feel that with the strange placement of it, this could have been a new Kakariko Village built after some disaster in the original and designed to match the original as closely as they could, possibly mere years after the events of Ocarina of Time, that could explain the difference in location while giving a valid reason for it to be so similar in layout.
oh yes YES. windwaker theories!! my favorite
Such a good vid
Edit: That windmill comparison blew my mind.
Windmill comparison seems far fetched,
but otherwise, ya, great video!
Same, Yeetus
Probably not much, but in OOT the only potion shops are in Castle Town and Kakariko, and in WW the only potion shops are in Windfall and Forest Haven.
So, discounting forest Haven, as that's weird korok stuff, I guess it'd make sense that the only potion shop is in Windfall, being that the residents from Castle Town and Kakariko ended up on windfall.
It's the only real town in the game. Where else would the potion shop be?
And Granny made Blue potion at Kakariko.
And hear I foolishly believed they just simply rebuilt after evacuating to the mountain tops.
same
They did. This video is just a theory. If windfall was kakariko then Death Mountain would also be next to Windfall. Windfall is a new town built after the flood.
@@tbone8358 he explains in the video how the location doesn't disprove his theory either tho since locations in Zelda games are a bit sporadic at times
Lol they did
Some of them would have to as they are not all located on mountain tops
I feel like if Hyrule were flooded, and people were in a rush to get to the mountaintops, it would be those same people who built the towns. It would make a lot of sense that they might build their new homes in a similar style as the old to feel more at home. This would explain many of the similarities that are present while not being an exact match.
IMO, I believe the Kakariko from OoT was completely flooded simply due to the fact that Hyrule Castle is *waaaayyyy* deep, and Kakariko wasn't all that higher in elevation.
As for the other similarities, I'd say they pretty much all check out. The graveyard may be more symbolic than literal. The bomb shop may have still been a windmill at some point, though not necessarily the same one as Kakariko's.
Love your idea about the bomb shop!
I love when I find good TH-camrs that I watch commenting on videos of other good TH-camrs that I watch.
The bomb shop was my favorite part and it made a lot of sense. There’s no doubt in my mind that Windfall Island is the descendant of Kakariko Village.
I love this theory. Wind Waker is my favorite Zelda game, and it's awesome that there can be new things to discover and talk about after all this time that it's been out. As a kid, I never completed the sea chart, so there were still new islands I discovered after picking up the game 15 years later. I'd love to see more videos about the origin of the islands of the great sea. Keep up the good work!
I’d love to see you cover the theory that the Forsaken Fortress is actually Gerudo fortress, and that the “small time pirates” Tetra mentions were the descendants of the Gerudo. It might not be a big theory, but it’s something I’ve thought of a lot
I remember playing wind waker as a kid and always coming back to Windfall Island. It was and still is my favorite island. It's just so... beautiful to see such a flourishing, wholesome (or so I thought) town in the drowned world. Sometimes I just ran around and made my own little stories up.
Same!
It's undoubtedly not the original Kakariko. If it is, that would mean Hyrule is barely even flooded. My view is that it's a new Kakariko, one created higher up.
@Zachary Erickson Hmm....I hadn't thought of that. I suppose that's also true.
Hylia lifted it up like Skyloft
I mean kakariko is bordering death mountain in quite a few 3d games, so they probably just walked up hill :)
My thing is like bruh if you took the effort to relocate graves when being told a world ending flood is coming, your priorities ain't right
Bro the sped up music makes it obvious. It ain't gotta be damn near perfect. If you expect exact specifics, you're just reaching.
Your theories and lore never fail, and are honestly the best among any other channel covering Zelda lore.
I hope you cover the Ikana or more from Majora's Mask some day. Hopefully Nintendo will take some notes and fix their timeline xD
Yes I am playing through the Stone Tower part of Majora's Mask right now, would love a theory video about the Ikana kingdom!
Agreed! I hope he reads this comment and considers this for a future video. :D
There's no need to "fix" the timeline because it's not important to the enjoyment of the games. Besides, there's nothing wrong with the timeline given.
@@tbone8358 No one said it was nor had to be relevant to the enjoyment of the games. :p As a strong supporter of the timeline, I happen to prefer the current arrangement, but it isn't without its inconsistencies and blanks points. I think there's room for more stories in-between, such as Twilight Princess to Four Swords Adventures, but that's left to the lore junkies and theorists until Nintendo (without ret-conning in Encyclopedia 2.0) intervenes. Supposedly Nintendo listed BotW at the end of the timeline(s) so either all have converged, or one remains. Or Nintendo simply wants to move on from the Timeline given. We need a few more games before receiving any updates.
This is why I love your theories. You dig SO deep and provide extremely thoughtful and accurate evidence (that I would personally never think about) while remaining fun and surprising.
The fact that dragon roost island isn't death mountain is so damn bizarre and makes more continuation issues *sigh*
Yeah i could get behind dragon roost not being the mountain itself but it screams goron city and a mined out dodgongo cavern
What if when Hyrule got flooded, the landmarks that had the most people were raised to not have a massive amount of death? Same idea when the Zoras domain became a mountain the Zora evolved into the Rito
Why is Zelda Encyclopedia not a reliable source? Just because you don't agree with it?
Personally I always that that evolution was due to the danger. A lot of people are confused as to why Zoras would turn into birds when they seem perfectly suited a flooded world... But then you have to remember all the monsters now inhabiting the great sea, like Big Octos and the shark things (forgot their names.) The water is no longer safe, so Zoras adapted to fly over it.
@Zachary Erickson is that true? Had no idea, I mean it does have contradictions and a lack of cohesion.
But I can't blame the writers, as much as I love lore and story driven games the developers kind of shot themselves in the foot with a specific version of hyrule. Limiting their creativity and expansion on zelda series. Mainly in core titles I believe.
You should do a video on the location of Hyrule castle in wind waker and how it ended up in lake hylia with the desert (ganon's tower is on a desert) right besides it
Alejandro Benavides they rebuilt it. Gerudo desert is already beside the lake
It's probably not Lake Hylia. It may look like it but thats just an assumption due to the lake. I consider this map my head canon of what Hyrule looked like before the flood.
www.deviantart.com/mrjmzack/art/Lost-Kingdom-351748803
@@firionkaiser8291 genius!
Now this is the kind of content that butters my muffin.
Good stuff, Zeltik.
I could watch videos of Zelda lore and theory all day. Majora's Mask and WW are particularly chock full of both. I don't think Windfall is Kakariko, but as other people have mentioned, probably built from inspiration of the Hylians' former home.
If they are the same place however, it could be explained in that perhaps along with Hyrule being flooded, the lands were altered, similar to Middle Earth in Tolkien's legendarium. At various points in Arda's history the land is broken and changed; seas disappear while new ones are created, Beleriand sank into the sea, mountains were raised etc.
I think the loose ends in video game worlds are the most beautiful part of them as it leaves room for the imagination to fill in. I have a whole world created in my head for where Link would have ended up had he continued riding through the Lost Woods in MM instead of going through the portal
I’m so glad that you are zooming into Wind Walker, a lot of channels talk a lot on more popular Zelda titles (nothing wrong with that by the way). And the other Zelda games get brushed off and just left behind. It’s very a fresh different and new take on this very vast Zelda franchise.
Just found your channel and I’m LOVING it so far! The way you describe things and your word choice while doing so is phenomenal!
Honestly an all round great video and theory, the windmill connection is something else man,,,, I also can't get over how amazing your intros are, talking about the backstory of WindWaker and about how everyone lives on the mountain tops of a forgotten land, honestly some amazing work here as always. Great video!
Good job TH-cam. This is type of recommendations I want
Everytime, I go into one of your theory videos thinking "this is just a coincidence/vague homage, they don't pay that much attention to this sort of thing." And consistently, by the end, I'm convinced it was wholly intentional. Nice work!
You should be on Nintendo's payroll. Your content is solid.
The bomb shop was my favorite part and it made a lot of sense. There’s no doubt in my mind that Windfall Island is the descendant of Kakariko Village.
yes please look at more islands, that would be really cool
It is actually already officially confirmed that the people from Kakariko Village moved to Windfall Island. The Zelda Encyclopedia (which was officially published by Nintendo) states:
- The People of Hyrule Castle Town and the nearby Kakariko Village are on Windfall Island
It also says:
- Zoras Domain became Dragon Roost Island
-Lake Hylia, connected to Zoras Domain through an underwater passage, is Greatfish Isle, former home of Jabun
- The Gerudo Fortress in the desert is now the Forsaken Fortress, fittingly occupied by Ganondorf
- Outset Island and Ordon Village are similar Places in different Worlds
- To adapt to a world composed mostly of water, the Kokiri became the Koroks. The Great Deku Tree is the same Great Deku Tree from the era of the Hero of Time, and that the Kokiri Forest has become Forest Haven.
Adaptation is the key to survival!
Amazing! Keep the Sheikah and or Wind Waker theories coming! Oh, and someday, could you look into a theory for me? In Triforce Heroes, perhaps the red, blue, and green (hidden behind a tree) dopples are the cursed forms of Din, Nauru, and Farore's chosen heroes...the Triforce Heroes!
If you rotate the OoT map about 45 degrees clockwise then it matches up more accurately with the WW map.
Forsaken Fortress = Gerudo's Fortress
Lake Hylia = around the same area as Greatfish Isle
Castle Town / Kakariko Village = around the same area as Windfall island
Death Mountain = Dragonroost Island / Fire Mountain
Kokiri Forest = Forest Haven
Hyrule Field / Lon Lon Ranch = Tower of the Gods / Hyrule Castle
I really hope the E-Shop rumors about WW and TP are true! I really really REALLY want to play those games!!!!!!
would be awesome indeed
I hope so too. I have a WiiU, but I don't want to buy the games for that if they're coming to Switch soon.
You can play those on the Wii if you have one.
I'm honestly pissed I think it's a crime Nintendo hasn't released the HD versions on the Switch =/
@@earthwormjim91 Sole reason why I emulate the WiiU games on Cemu. *shrug* Runs absolutely perfect at 1080p.
I’m so glad you went over this theory, it’s been one of my favorites. I’d have liked to hear more defense against “Kakoriko isn’t a mountaintop” as that is still a super solid argument.
Imo, Windfall is definitely supposed to be Kakoriko, but the continuity of the series has always struggled from game to game so that’s why the location is so weird. Solid video, loved the stacked windmill comparison photo.
You talk about stuff I didn't even know I cared about lol love it
Gmo ! I am a big fan. Crazy seeing you in these zelda theory comments! How awesome.
@@kadical7531 yeeeee respect!
I have a detail you might find useful for the next island. That being that the forest haven clearly is a petrified tree from which other vegetation sprouts from. Given the magical properties of the spring, it is likely the former Great Deku Tree. As for the near island where we save Makar, I am actually unsure. It is overgrown and decomposing as shown by the toxic waters inside. It made me think back to how the previous Great Deku Tree has been tainted by Ganon and asked us to help him. But if that truly was his remains, what is the Forest Haven? See my dilemma? One could argue it is the upper half that snapped off and “replanted” itself.
ocARINER OF TIME
Amazing vid, but that made me laugh.
i cringed when he said it more than once
I love how you give so much depth to Windwaker my first and favourite zelda game
Zeltik, didn't realise the music was so similar between Kakariko Village and Windfall Island. Thanks.
I’ve been humming the windfall island theme in my head for almost the past month while at work. This episode made my day 💜
Dragon Roost is Death Mountain. I own the Historia, and I don't remember it saying that it's Zora's Domain. (Not bothering to dig it out right now.) I remember it saying the Zora evolved into Rito (which is also really dumb) but not that their home became Dragon Roost. But even if it did, it's not canon. It's a temporary head canon made by the developers at best. The very first page it said something to the effect of "This is an explanation of events based on what we know now and may change in the future." Meaning it's their current head canon, but they don't expect to be held to it when making future games. And in BOTW we have both Rito and Zora so as far as I'm concerned, that's one detail Nintendo has already abandoned.
Anyway, Death Mountain has always been the tallest point in Hyrule. As much as Nintendo's geography changes, that has always been constant. Dragon Roost is Death Mountain.
You’re my favorite Zelda TH-camr, without a doubt! Your videos blow my mind every time!
Me: *reads thumbnail* "Pha, show me your pathetic theory!"
Zeltik: "My channel has no pathetic theories!"
Me: *get's destroid by facts and solid arguments*
Surprisingly, Zeltics Theory Videos are fine, supported and less "speculative" but rather convincing. And he never "Forces" a Theory. Whats why it makes fun to watch (for me).
*facts and logic*
If you mute the sound and just look at the pictures you quickly realize that its physically impossible for it to be the same place because Kakariko was located in between a mountain range so in order for it to be on top of the water it would have had to be raised up to the same level as Zora's domain (Now Dragon roost island). He also completely neglects to mention that Hyrule castle sits HIGHER than Kakariko village in elevation......the same castle that's now at the bottom of the ocean......with a LOT of water above it which can be seen in the cinematic. Map inconsistency alone can not account for a miles height difference in elevation, my 12 year old figured that out half way threw the video..... This guy has put out a LOT of great videos but hes also putting out comment theorys that make no sense when you actually take a step back and look at it without the "rose tinted timeline glasses" on.
"Make your last pathetic theory, Zeltik, before I end this!"
"My channel has no pathetic theories, Hero of Rhyme! But it does have...THIS!"
I've been watching your videos all night. They're quite fascinating. I always just thought that they carry over themes, ideas, music, and Easter eggs between the games. The way you use your knowledge of Hyrulian lore to create these theories is fascinating, and fits together really well. Bravo.
Clicked expecting half-baked clickbait, left wondering what other insightful theories Zeltik has done...
Welcome to the rabbithole.
I think geography is generally not a good enough evidence since locations are erratically changed over many games, and that would suggest elevation as well. So Windfall is Kakariko in a universe where Kakariko is located higher up than what it is in OOT. Plus, all the evidence as suggested in your video on top supports it.
The Vaati of the Zelda franchise, just an amazing sight to behold.
I just find Windwaker so magical, it invokes feelings of pure joy in me just from standing around, taking in those colorful sights and enjoying that wonderful music
5:08,
>Using the book that claims that Termina is an illusory world as a source.
And thanks to botw we know it's not, lakes named after the zora in mm is proof termina is very real.
@@ralcogaming7674 it's a reference so sadly it's not 100% canon (or if it is then it's a coincidence)
@@GameparkGames each province in the game have named areas to commemorate past members of those tribes even all of the divine beasts names are call backs urbosa says as much. It's not a coincidence.
@@ralcogaming7674 Dude, in Breath of the Wild in the Eventide Island is a beach named Toronbo and a rock named Koholit, which are clearly references to Toronbo Shores and Koholint Island, and their are from a world that actually doesn't exist. I am not saying that what Encyclopedia says about Termina is true or not, but I do say that is not actually a good argument what you said.
@@yasinn9492 my point is that if the zora and the gorons named parts of their land after people who supposedly never existed it would make no sense.
9:55 lol, i see a little mousey boi, great video btw! I don’t play any zelda games, but i love hearing fan theories and lore about the series
3 of my ads were for Purple, The 4th was The General insurance
As a kid, I've always wanted to live on Windfall Island, it's one of my favorite places in the Zelda franchise, if not my favorite.
Thanks for the video !
i was sold on the Windfall-Kakariko theory ever since i landed on the island way back on the Gamecube version of WW...its the Music, to me...Outset Island has hints and tones of the Kokiri Forest (since they were the 'starting points' for Link in WW and OoT)...Windfall's theme has a few measures lifted straight out of Kakariko's, smoothed into the rest of the blend...
...and as i type this comment, its the first point you mention -_- nevermind then...
Counter-arguments in a theory video, that's very professional and shows that you actually care about the truth value of your ideas. It's like you're an actual historian for Hyrule
Ocariner of time. Never change.
I've seen people get pissy about this everywhere recently. It's just an idiosyncrasy of the non-American English accent. It's a liaison typical to the accent which helps to keep the words flowing without creating a harsh pause in the middle of a phrase, you find them everywhere, in every language.
@@KorriTimigan Didn't intend to sound mad or anything, I don't mind at all lmao
Ocarina
at the music i was blown away already man!
Ha ha “to link the two towns” hilarious
This is my first and favorite Zelda game, and I haven't been able to play it since I was about 12. It was such a magical game for me and I'm currently binging your videos about it to experience some nostalgia
If you turn the map upside down, Windfall and Fire Mountain make sense so maybe the plate they were on turned
Considering that it was also built on the side of an active volcano, that's not out of the question because it means there's a lot of tectonic activity. Furthermore, the original caldera of Death Mountain could've collapsed as plates shifted from having a whole bunch of extra water poured on them, and since it seems to be a hotspot style volcano (as evidenced by its consistent eruptions, as well as several other reasons) the hotspot might've been moved under what is now Windfall Island and is pushing its elevation up. I wouldn't be too surprised if there's magma venting out of the sides of the volcano beneath the village, because otherwise it likely would've popped sometime recently.
Also, if you rotate the OoT map about 45 degrees clockwise then it matches up more accurately with the WW map.
Forsaken Fortress = Gerudo's Fortress
Lake Hylia = around the same area as Greatfish Isle
Castle Town / Kakariko Village = around the same area as Windfall island
Death Mountain = Dragonroost Island / Fire Mountain
Kokiri Forest = Forest Haven
Hyrule Field / Lon Lon Ranch = Tower of the Gods / Hyrule Castle
I would often question where all of the mountain tops that make the islands came from, it could be possible that more were created and some locations were elevated after Ganondorf escaped and went on a rampage.
How you gonna have kakariko village as an island but have death mountain submerged? Smh
Maybe it erupted via Mt St Helens and lost most of its mass? lol jk
If you made a video about every island in wind waker I'd watch every single one!
Why do you get 50 rupees from the guy in a yellow shirt next to the stone entrance/bridge, if you talk to him after having placed a Rito statue on it?
Is this a Zelda mystery?
(It is to me, and it was among the many cool I managed to discover as a kid without internet playing this game.)
(Like, if you save and quit, after entering the room where you're supposed to draw the master sword, when you load you're placed where the dialogue triggers!)
(In one of the "Dig Caverns", where you shoot 5 torches with flame arrows... If you sidle along the ship to the right side of where you enterm it makes you void out! :O)
I do have to say the writing that goes into the script is superb, I thoroughly enjoyed the flavourful sentences strewn throughout the video.
The video could literally end at 3:50 because that music is basically 100% proof
Precisely why I think so too!
How about more music comparisons? I loved how you played clips back-to-back like that, and I noticed at 1:58 the music sounds like an altered take on part of the Hyrule Field theme from Ocarina.
Excited to see more Wind Waker theory vids. :)
Judging by the OoT map, Hyrule Castle is much higher up than Kakariko village. If Hyrule Castle is submerged so deep under the ocean, there's no way Kakariko survived the flood
But remember, the castle was destroyed in This timeline
@@jarnlok4903 in the adult timeline? No, it wasn't
@@DarkWaWeeGee In the adult timeline ganondorf built his castle right on top of it. They built a new castle in a different location.
@@SoundXProof2 where does it say that?
Never stop making these videos please
wouldn't be the same place, but i could see the people living there having moved to the nearest mountain top (which wasn't very far)
Very Interesting. And for the music i didn;t realize it at first but now i do very cool.
can we just please bring all the old zelda game on switch i would be really happy
lets start with #OcarinaOfTime and #MajorasMask
Dirttmacnazztyy 83 Yes! But I really want TP and WW the most
There is no youtuber in the world that i click on their new videos on faster than when i see your videos Zeltik, always top tier quality
0:18 "ocarinør of time"
Windwaker was my ocarina as a child. It will always be one of my favorites
Toon link is my favorite smash ultimate character, and the wind waker is a great game
I’ve always thought that the two cities were linked, for sure, but this gave me concrete reasons why (I hadn’t played OoT much, but WW hundreds of times) the connection I’ve always been fascinated by was the one with Forest Haven and the Lost Woods. I would greatly appreciate an analysis of those from you. Thanks for all the hard work you put into your videos!
Do a video on the Mr. Sword.
Interesting content aside, you are so thorough and your presentation is structured so fluently. Really appreciate that
I am starting to think there was a big earthquake during the flooding. Some how, the village survived.
My guess would be that the earthquake creates fissures and caverns.
A version of plate tectonics: some landmasses got shoved up above the rising waves
6:35 - Fun fact: the town of Whitby in England has a church with a graveyard next to a cliff. Some of the graveyard is known to have collapsed due to the erosion. This feature is present in the text of Bram Stoker's Dracula, since Dracula arrives in England through the port of Whitby.
link in windwaker:
falls 100 feet - loses a heart
gets tossed halfway across the map by ho-oh - yo, wasup? oh a a talking boat?
The connections are definitely there, and yes I would imagine that they rebuilt Kakariko on higher plane level after the great flood, but after 1,000 years the land would of shifted drastically and changed form to what it is in Wind Waker. Either that or they settled upon Death Mountain after it falling dormant during the great flood, which would make more sense since it's elevation height puts it up higher than the rest of where Hyrule once was.
but wind waker does not take place 1,000 years after the flood. Only a little over 100. This is literally confirmed .
@@alyxxpratt678 source?
Can someone tell me the name of the song at around 9:30 in the video? I've heard it before, but I can't recall the name
I'm proud of myself, because I found out, that the Kakariko music plays in windall myself
Dude, with Ocarina and Windwaker being my two favorites, you just blew my mind like five different times in this video.
Wait I thought this was common knowledge.
Tbh I think you are right about alot of stuff on this. Just made me wonder, if it just hasnt been remodeld after Kakariko. They moved locations and rebuild it in memory of Kakariko. Dunno would solve the geografical issue imo.
They would have had to move kakariko was in a low plain not a mountain top, given how deep the water is shown to be when we head down into hyrule castle and if memory serves me right hyrule castle was on a higher place than kakariko.
*The Mystery of the Great Sea's cannon towers (Zelda Theory)*
I never noticed the instruments from Windfall and Castle Town being similar! :-D I would love to watch more videos about Wind Waker islands and Ocarina counterparts.
I bet the Zelda devs watch these and say "oh, uh yeah... that's exactly what we intended...🙄"
I bet they watch it and think "It's called Windfall, not Kakariko, because it's not Kakariko, it's Windfall."
I would actually say that Wind Waker's map is the closest to mimicking a map from a previous Zelda game (being Ocarina of Time of course). A big example of this is Forest Haven/Forbidden Forest being identically placed to where Kokiri Forest and The Great Deku Tree are in Ocarina of Time. Although they're not in the _exact_ spots, Windfall Island and Dragon Roost Island are in in the same portion of the map that Kakariko and Death Mountain are. Not to mention, the Rito (which are evolved from Zoras) living on Dragon Roost would make sense. If Zora's Domain flooded, the closest spot of land above sea would have been Death Mountain's peak, so it would make sense for them to migrate there. Windfall might not be the literal grounds of Kakariko, but it's possible it is the town after it moved. Although, despite the fact that Kakariko is not very elevated, it could be the designers of the game still meant for Windfall to be Kakariko quite literally. I think you proved that when you overlayed them over each other.
Can Windfall Island be Kakariko Village? It has multiple similarities and themes
Great video! Always blows my mind to see the level of detail creators go to when fleshing out lore like this. Keep up the awesome work, I love your stuff!
Eh. This theory was pushing the envelope a bit. Not very convincing or enough evidence. Too much speculation.
I honestly think when Hyrule was flooded and in the legends they say the people moved up to the mountain tops to create new settlements, I’m sure Windfall was the last inhabitants of Karariko village moving up onto a nearby mountain top creating a town that was very reminiscent (on purpose) of retaining the history and the town that they lost. It honestly just makes sense.