The Rarest Type Within CPT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ย. 2022
- A more conversational video shining a light on a surprisingly rare cognitive type.
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Hi, I'm Harry, and I'm intensely passionate about personality typing and self-development - so much so that I have created my own Jung-inspired system, taking a more high-resolution look at the factors making up personality.
Through Cognitive Personality Theory I examine the underlying mechanisms behind cognition, and the means through which a single type can have limitless individual variation - I believe type itself is just a set of cognitive predispositions that can according to the needs of the situation be overcome.
I don't believe any type is limited in what they can achieve, but have noticed sensationalist attitudes and internet trends propagating a culture in which type-development is actively discouraged in favour of conforming to simplistic archetypes. Through CPT I hope to dispel various myths and oversimplifications of what constitutes personality type, and along the way encourage a healthier attitude towards type that allows a person to become not who they are told they are, but rather who they want to be.
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KEY
Ni/Introverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of internal world.
Ne/Extraverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of external world.
Si/Introverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of internal world.
Se/Extraverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of external world.
Fi/Introverted Feeling - Subjective codec; internal emotional data & harmony.
Fe/Extraverted Feeling - Subjective codec; external emotional data & harmony.
Ti/Introverted Thinking - Objective codec; internal logical order.
Te/Extraverted Thinking - Objective codec; external logical order.
Lens - Perceives data.
Codec - Rationalises data.
Convergent - Positive, creative, enacting change and seeking novelty.
Divergent - Negative, authoritative, instilling consequence and driving utility.
For more clarification on terms see the CPT eBook!
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I would definitely love to see a test made by you, even if it'd be less than 70% accurate. Sounds like it'd be a lot of fun to take
Yes great idea
I feel like, if you are going to make a CPT self-report test, the test results should give the test-taker their two most likely types, without saying which one got the higher score. This way, test-takers would be encouraged to investigate further in order to determine which of those two types is their best fit type, (or maybe in the process determine that neither type fits them). Whereas, if you were to have only one type result, many people would take that at face value and not make the effort go verify it.
Actually, I love that idea!
This.. is actually pretty smart, ngl.
Me omw to retype as ESTP now that it's the rarest type
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Psych2Go on their way to make a nice cute kawaii soft looking video "5 Signs You're a
An ESTP - The World Rarest Personality Type"🙆🌗🌸🤼🧀🌺uwu uwu uwu uwu
I'm an estp typed by Joyce Meng this year. And it changed my life for the better. I as an estp really needed this in life. Mbti, Spiritual Enlightenment and Stoicism made me a whole person. I was so desperate not knowing and not being able to figure out my type after 4 years of obsessive mbti learning, that i overcame my dislike of paying for something. I want to figure things out on my own and not spent money for useless information. But the typing session was a fair price and low amount of barriers. I just wanted to share this so that you know why we do not seem to exist. Also i wanted to be typed by you. Because I think your explanations and reasioning is most advanced in the mbti community. I'm curious to see if you'll also type me as an estp. Because i'm very intelectual and that was the main reason i believed i was an intuïtive thinker (entj, entp, infj). Thank you for the great videos! And finally the estp ;)
Did i lose my heart? 🥺
Don't know how that happened! Thanks for sharing this!
What type did you get on tests before you got typed?
@@makqa6675 Entj, entp and infj. I was convinced i was an intuïtive because i am very conceptual, wise, spiritual, vision driven, being highly obsessed with my personal future etc. Ni in de inferior position is very present in the mind because of a relentless interest in personal development.
“ESTPs have met me in the middle” - I see what you did there, INFJ Harry.
Nice to hear from you again!
Hah exactly!
As someone who happens to know a couple of people I hold in pretty strong regard as being ESTPs out of a small circle I've definitely noticed the lack of discussion for this type within CPT so I could see where this video was going. I eagerly await a more in-depth video on the topic, but of course, no pressure and good luck with your Masters!
Thank you!
Omg finally a video about ESTP! I've been looking forward to it. This type needs some enlightment and dismantling of innacurate stereotypes. Can't wait for you to dive into its cognition 😊🙌
More on its way!
As always, awesome content!
I feel that ESTPs are pretty common where I live in Australia (but thats just by my own typing, so really who knows). They're so interesting however! And I only know one or two that fit the "stereotype".
Mostly as you've said they're super insightful people and they're annoyingly charming, zoning into the social nunaces and knowing when and when not to say things.
Great video.. And dude. The lighting! It's amazing. You're hitting that vaporwave sort of vibe without it being gimmicky whatsoever.
Ahh thank you, means a lot! I was a big fan of the lighting here too
Glad to see you, Harry! I liked the video, interesting as always! Good luck with keeping balance between master's degree and other spheres of your life :D
I appreciate it!
I'm very happy that you talked about these type's CPT. I was very curious about their cognitive functions attitude and action.
And ESTPs definitely need more attention, as well as the way they communicate their thoughts and behave in social situations as well as taking care of their Fe on a convergent way is very interesting.
And, it is even more interesting to know that this type is one of the rarest in CPT's study.
I'm very curious about it, and without a doubt it was a very interesting video! Nice work as always Harry, until the next video!
Thanks Mim!
Hi, Harry, I'm glad that you are still developing your approach and not stagnating with it.
I noticed that the main reason ESTPs are harder to type, as well as for other types, it is because such types tend to have a broader set of what I call "cognitive adaptability". Their type set seems to be encompassing more areas than just a few. Development in such areas can sometimes overlap with that of other types. For instance, due to Se-Fe convergence ESTPs can sometimes appear as INFJs and have such abilities as psychoanalysis, linguistics, and building rapport with others. Due to their divergent Ti-Ni, they can even appear scientists, explorers, inventors just as INTPs. Their cognitive set seems broad enough to make big leaps from a more common area to a less known one.
I would argue that the same occurs within each type, and this may be the number one reason why there's a lot of variation in the first place.
At one time you even pointed out the subtypes, but I will add that besides that and the focus on individual functions and subtypes there's also cognitive adaptability which is taking a set of functions to be focused rather than others. As for instance, convergent and divergent types. However, besides those, I would also say that there exists layers of adaptations that each type creates to survive in each environment that they found themselves in. So in this way even the development of a type would not be predictable but variate.
This would be my hypothesis as well for how types could have survived within different eras. I imagine that in a more primitive state the ESTP would have been more of a leader focused on the psychoanalytic side to test the coherence of the given tribe that they found themselves in and to create loyalty in their fellow tribesmen, thus leaning more on their convergent side. However, the more they evolved I think that they developed different adaptations such as being able to keep up with a society that's not so involved in war and maintaince of territory and surveillance of activities of other people, but more on the technological development and ascension of humanity overall by searching for new discoveries. I'm imagining that this later adaptation that's representative of our current modern society would have allowed them to become more scientific minded and to thus lean more on their divergent side. However, the combination of those approaches according to the unique circumstances of each one of them I think that would create even more variations. Whereby an ESTP is a lead scientist, for instance. This would require both the ability to be charming and to be able to build rapport with others by looking at the cues in communication, but also the ability to be able to be having a coherent worldview in relation to the phenomenon being observed. Thus making such an ESTP to develop both the functions in his convergent side but also those in his divergent side in order to be keeping competitive with the environment that he found himself in.
In this way trying to look for a "coloquival" manifestation of an ESTP would be incongruent with the development and integration of such a type as a whole in the modern society which would make it very hard for the finding of such a sample that's more and more becaming to be rarer. So I think the problem is not the lack of the type but we are looking in the wrong directions.
That is just my hypothesis and also an attempt to be talking with you again since I didn't do it for quite a long time. Intellectuallizing my way towards talking with you haha. :)
I was just pondering this question the other day! Glad to see that I wasn’t alone in thinking this!
Ahh nice!
I’m an ESTP who had to go through heart surgery and as someone who was a social bully just before all of this happened I was left in an unusually weak position in which I was forced to look inwards instead of outwards. A few life crises later (I have them about once a month) and the MBTI became a great tool for navigating the social landscape with less force and selfishness and more understanding and collaboration. Pin-pointing people’s specific aptitudes and triggers allows you to find backdoors into their software and if you know what kind of machine you’re dealing with, its ultimately easier to program.
I love the software analogy; as an ENFJ I use this method also. I can see my ESTP offspring is navigating this sphere early 😂
Hello Harry, It would be interesting if you ever got around to talk more about people who are on the edge of a certain type spectrum, such as an intj being at the edge of being an istj and so on. Love this theory so much, and it has been such a rescue from stereotypes and such.
Ah yes indeed! I'd love to explore this in some videos as I definitely get plenty of type spectrum clients
Wow, only 70%?! Something to ponder. The title was not really clickbait in my opinion, you always have something interesting to say. Good to see you!
Thank you my friend!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory 🙏
I can't wait to see the ESTP content coming up. I've actually struggled for several months now to decide whether I am ISTP or ESTP, I do not fall into the stereotypes of either. Really excited about it
Coming up!
@@johnnymiller9622 interesting perspective, I actually thought that dominant Ti would mean that I am constantly *thinking* about something and reorganizing my schemas XD which is more what I do. I'm usually not sure unless I'm sure, if I say something is like so, then it is like so, because I've explored all options, all angles, all perspectives, which is what I'm doing with my MBTI as well haha
@@johnnymiller9622 I didn't know this about Ti-Ni, it's really helpful. I am very firm on my judgements, I put a lot of thought in them, but what I've noticed is that a lot of times I am fine with not putting thought into something and not forming an opinion, on topics like religion, philosophy, physics, even mathematics, but I do invest a lot into some subjects, mainly related to my job (because money xD), human interaction (psychology's a fav) and health
@@johnnymiller9622good to see you on here as well Johnny 😊. Fair point re Ni Ti being pretty firm on their judgements. I think owing to my Fe-Se I can come off as far more relaxed than I am internally. In saying that, you know I'm an ENFJ with an Si-Ti subnetwork; I actually perceive my Si-Ti as a lot more 'rigid' esp with neurodivergent traits added into the mix/I have a tendency to pick up on intricacies others might miss. I have one friend who is an INFJ and upon getting to know him his Ni-Ti conclusions although expansive are quite immovable but as you say, he has the depth & breadth of thought to back that up. The ISTP I told you about is the firmest I've met re his conclusions; of course I'm starting to traverse the cognition behaviour line so I need to be careful. I'd take what I've said lightly however- I'm still getting into CPT but I'm finding that I'm intuitively starting to 'get it' now especially the functional pairings I tend to struggle with - theoretically speaking anyway lol
@@johnnymiller9622 not true. I was typed as ISTP in CPT. But I used to type as Intp, then infp, then isfp. But never ISTP. I didn't go for confirmation but exploration but his typing report reasonated so much that I'm actually convinced
Looking forward to it!
Hey Harry!
I didn't even know you had posted anything since I haven't gotten any alerts. I'm now wondering if there is something up with my notification system.
Anyway, expect a long email from me quite soon. I have lots of info to pass along and discuss! Unfortunately, time has been tight and I'm not the most proactive person to begin with.
As for this video, I'm not surprised! I know quite a few ESTP and many are just not interested in this sort of thing. Sample bias in general is what makes me question the widely quoted statistics.
Very soon you're going to be seeing videos with a title "5 signs you are an ESTP... The Rarest Personality type 😱😱😱"
Sign 1: You're not watching the video, because you're out in the world doing something practical
ESTP don’t care about being rare. They would actually prefer to fit in and not make waves, because that’s logically more conducive to improving their own experience (Se). ;)
First, thank you for your brilliant work Harry. You are the man. But it would be so nice to have a video dedicated to isfp since they are so many out there.
My best regards to your continuation 🎉
YESS totally agree
This has to be done!
A possible sign you're an INFP or ISFP instead of an INFJ: you WANT to be the rarest type! I've read this and have related!
I can see it!
Lmao kinda true. I secretly wish INFP is a bit rarer
Funny, I don’t ever wish to be rare. I’m ENFP. Would be interesting to know if there’s any pattern in who cares about it. Maybe I’m just so not even close that I don’t think about it
Personally, as an INFP, i don't wish to be the rarest type, however what i do wish to put across to people is that there aren't nearly as many INFPs are there are people mistyping as such. Wether it's due to test results or stereotypes.
Other than that, i'm fine with us being somewhere in the middle 😄
@@gilded_spark_7022 at present, I personally only know 1 INFP; the vast majority that I've came across in forums and groups are mistyped ISFPs which is understandable as ISFPs are intuitive feelers unlike the INFP
Thank you for the video. Can you make a Signs you are not an ESTJ?
If you ever make any interview panels and need a male ESFJ, let me know. I'm more than happy to help you out!
I discovered your channel through your interview with Joyce Meng's channel. You're brilliant. Thank you for your work and research! 👏👏👏
Would be very interested to hear any more insights similar to this one that you've picked up doing typing sessions, that might not strictly be part of CPT theory but highlight patterns visible across the audience who choose to pay for your services.
When I first came across typology it was through an ESTP with a youtube channel. Guy was describing the different types in these hyper-evocative, often concrete details and instantly made sense. Your theory that this type may tend to have some additional tacit knowledge in this area could be right.
Objective Personality has trouble getting ESTPs to take their tests and so on to collect data on too. Seems like ESTPs just don't gravitate towards typology.
I both value OPS and saw too many people seemingly badly, “officially” mistyped to ever pay them to type me. I was typed correctly (MM SeFe) by my wife and a carefully selected handful of others, through OPS. I have been most confident in my type through, CPT, though.
There are a few of us around. Granted, I had little interest in slowing down long enough to look at it until almost, 50 years old.
@@johnnymiller9622 Yes, I think OPS filled in the Te aspect of MBTI; which is the Ti aspect. I think the system has great value, but I have seen many mistypings from them too. There's a TH-cam channel called FlowState who is ESTP, and is affiliated with OPS. My 69 year old Mother is ESFP, and she's been on the move up until a few years ago. I'm INFJ and been on the move (being busy) until about 40. Life through us quite a few major curve balls back to back. I'm 43 now, so I'm just slowing down (in one way) myself, but also picking up momentum in other ways. I just got into typing around 40. I just recently realized that CPT was a full system. I have to take more time to better understand it though. Thanks for your comment, and I'm glad to see an ESTP around!
It's fascinating cuz ESTP very often appear in mbti memes as "you know this kinda guy". But yeah, I would think ESTP don't care about using typing help service/self improvement as they're too confident and don't really like abstract stuff.
Ironically I think my son is an ESTP and he's already very abstract; he's only young (although I've tentatively ascertained his preferences) and his latest fascination is if numbers exist in concrete reality and where they come from/why they work if they don't exist in concrete reality - of course he doesn't frame it like this at his age but the underlying sentiment is there. I'm a divergent ENFJ and can see the overlaps in cognition between us 😊
Very interesting! I'm actually so curious about what the results would be in different countries, in my culture the strengths that we typically associate with ESTPs are pretty much enforced by society, I think that would be an extremely interesting investigation.
Or ESTPs force the society to adjust to them. That's another possibility.
@@sugarcravings1797 ENTP?
Where are you from?
My son is an ESTP, I had him professionally typed. When he was younger he presented more as an ENFP, we were really close. He would do everything I do. I encouraged him to be himself and it’s ok not to be like me. So he’s 14 now and definitely in his Ego a lot, we butt heads a lot. I feel so annoyed being around him and I feel bad that I can’t be more like an SFJ mother for him. But I was able to teach him valuable real-world things that my ESFJ mother neglected to teach me. And I have always given him a lot of freedom, with the expectation that he’s responsible with it. And I think my parenting (although I often feel like a horrible mother) has been really good for him. I am grateful that his dad is an ISTJ (we divorced a long time ago) because I know his dad teaches him things that I’m unable to. I’m a female ISTP. I wonder how often you see females of my type. I don’t meet many IRL, but doing athletics, I have met I think 1 other female ISTP, 2-3 female ESTPs, several male ISTPs, and a handful of male ESTPs.
Not that you implied otherwise, but doing athletics isn’t enough to make one, ISTP. My wife is Si-Fi Convergent (ISTJ) and was the MVP for both her high school basketball and softball teams. ISTJ’s are able to bring Se to consciousness and also through the repetitive nature of sports (practice) can become stealthy athletes, especially in organized sports. ESTJ’s, as well.
As an ESTP, I am athletic and also lack the discipline required to be into organized athletics. I was approached by the coach to play football in high school, but the thought of committing my summer to practice was a “no thank you.” I’m more of a climbing a mountain, rafting the rapids kind of athlete. 🤷♂️
I thought I was a female ISTP for a good long while, but, there seemed to still be a question after a time. I have a complicated life history, though, so I am trying to see the difference between trauma and nature. I got ESTP on some tests , after I learned more about what things meant, but everything I saw about ESTP was a big no. I was thinking maybe ESFP or ENFP and there's a lot to be said, but, like INTJ and INTP ... mmmm .. yea ... no. So, what he says in the full on ESTP video just wows me.
I look forward to your upcoming ESTP video as a second cousin type.
~Longtime ENTP viewer
I feel like I’m early to lectures XD
Haha love that
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory As soon as I heard you admit “a lack of content” of a particular type on your channel…I knew it had to be your opposite 😁
Trust me there are many ESTPs around, i go to the gym 5 days a week and i can tell you its FULL of estps.
The ESTP is heavily gender skewed. Very few women tend to type ESTP but when you meet one you immediately know. They are often enneagram type 3w4. This means that they are usually not very inquisitive about the “nature of self” as they tend to be very outward looking. ESTP women are rarer than INFJ woman but INFJ men are rarer than ESTP men. I am an INFJ guy who grew up with an ESTP sister.
Inquisitive about the nature of self? LIke "Who am I? Do I exist?" Descartes is great for jokes about him walking into a bar, and actually I like a few things he says, but , that he actually had to learn and then point out that he exists because he can think whigs me. Who asks those questions? How could someone not know who they are? I mean, someone not dramatically abused and oppressed in just that sort of way? What is there to inquire of? I am me. That's all there is. I never questioned that until a great deal of multi-layered dramatic abuse and then it was more like "Am I still me?" but then something would happen- surprising dramatic something - and I would respond with an unveiled threat or a might feat of strength or an unvarnished truth wielded like both shield and axe .. and feel the thrill through me that was the non-thinking, non-stated truth: Ah! There I am.
This is not me .. I am not trying to be rude, make fun, challenge, etc. I have just never understood people who search for the meaning of life. It's to live. Why do humans exist? Because, God is love. What is our purpose. We are gardeners and zookeepers, and that's why we started out in a fabulous model garden, naming animals. Easy peasy
I was married to an ESTP for several years. She had no interest in mbti, and would laugh at the idea of taking a test as a waste of time, so I had to type her myself, without her participation. She wasn't receptive to external opinions or perspectives from others (Te critic), and seemed more interested in constantly "doing" rather than self-reflection. Which, I get it, is her wiring, but it sucks to watch her go through this spiral of destruction and self sabotage that is clearly due to her neglecting developing her Ni inferior for years, and me being unable to offer any help despite mbti providing a clear path for personal growth and development. In my experience, sensing types in general are more likely than not to discount the value of mbti completely. Kind of hurts my feelings as an INFP because I think it is extremely valuable and important and I just want to explore it with others and use it for good.
Not being receiptive to external opinions sounds like a trauma-based issue or feelings of guilt about unconfessed actions or desires. ESTP people are not automatically like that. And, self-sabotage, ditto. Sounds like she needed the book The Body Keeps the Score, quite a lot.
The fact that I knew this before I watched this video shows how I'm really an ESTP lol. I knew I had a rare personality from observing my reality, and researching the internet, ESTP's are never depicted in a satisfactory manner, whenever someone tries to describe us they drag impractical western stereotypes. Something I never related to fully as someone raised in a conservative society.
I am not an expert by any means, but in my personal assessment, ESTP is one of the more spectral types. You can definitely see the general predispositions, but there's a noticable difference between highly convergent SeFe subtype, then there is more Ti/Te oriented one, sometimes to the point of coming across as stereotypical ENTJ or ESFP (this is usually the case for younger ESTPs). But you can still see that they prefer Fe and a tendency towards sensing-feeling. The Fe is still a bit clumsy/awkward, but it's there.
Can't wait to learn more about this very charismatic type ^^
You are right. I went from being pretty much a smartass, thug/rebel in my teens to an amicable version thereof by my mid-20’s to a “bumbling good natured,” teddy bear of a guy, albeit not one to trigger in my 40’s and 50’s, all with the development of Fe and to some extent, Fi. I’m 56 and toward the ENFJ end of the ESTP spectrum and not the same as I was at 22.
@@johnnymiller9622 That's exactly the way most ESTPs i know are! :)
That seems to be a general trajectory they're going through. It's all about developing Fe and integrating SiFi. I find the type very intriguing, amiable and deep, and yet occasionally stern and leaderlike, more than some of the stereotypes would suggest.
I would love to see a test made by you. If anyone can make a good test it would be you.
You could make a test that was quite a bit more reliable than most. It would probably have to be more along the line of John's Personality Test or that other, longer one that breaks down the questions into what percentage of answers leaned more toward which types. I have been thinking about this sort of thing, rather a lot - considering that I am not working toward a psychology degree or anything. Mostly, because, a lot of questions can be taken as meaning more than one thing, depending on who is asking it. So, they need to be more detailed, more scenario and they also need to be more like, instead of "You go to a party and then you feel like "hiding in a corner", "only talking to the people you already know", or "dancing to Freshly Frunk while sipping margarita mixers out of a stranger's left shoe." , You are invited to a party where you won't know many people. Do you go? Why or why not? 1) No- Because, I was physically and/or psychicially traumatized at such a party and that's why I like to stay home alone. 2) No- Because, I prefer only small, intimate gatherings, whether I know everyone there or not 3) No- Because, I have to go home and take care of my pet after work and if the party start at any time later than 7 p.m., I can't imagine it being worth my time since I have to be in bed by10 p.m. at the latest. And, like that. Also, it should be more in the form of an essay on some portions. For instance, "Are you more likely to enjoy working 1) by yourself or 2) In a group?" doesn't mean anything to me. I have enjoyed working in groups and I have hated it, at the same establishment. For me it was not the size of the group, it was having at least a few people who really made it feel good to work with them. Ramble, ramble ... But, it can be done.
What about ISTP? I was typed as ISTP by rob in CPT. I actually was so convinced that I was Fi Dom because I'm so connected with my values, feelings and emotions
It sounds like you have a healthy Fi dip 😊. I was convinced, initially when getting into 'MBTI' that I was an INTP (I'm a divergent ENFJ typed by Harry with a highly fluid Fe -Ti axis - 50/50) and a highly conscious Si-Ti convergent subnetwork hence the confusion. It just goes to illustrate that we can't type someone based off their externalised demeanour; I've known thankfully, a few ISTPs with a highly developed Fi apart from one who still doesn't realise how much he's influenced by his unconscious Fi to the point of appearing completely irrational altogether (although of course Ti isn't equivocal to rationality per se); he spoiled my perception of ISTPs for awhile and my perception of myself (as I easily rotate on my axis) - thankfully other ISTPs have helped me distill these prejudices 😊
Great video! I wonder what are your credentials? Are you going for MA in Psychology?
Yeah, psychology :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Good luck in your studies!
Sometimes I feel like an ESTP, because I see living in the moment a good possibility to explore and dive into. But I do think I am just an ENTP. I would rather try to be other personality types instead just to explore different ideas and thus prove myself to be an ENTP in the process.
ENFPs are the most common intuitive types. So it wouldn't be surprising him they were more common than ESTPs.
Which personality type are you?
1 test for experienced, 1 test for clueless ppl
My issue with "types" is that types (at least in my brain) imply rigidity. They put you in a box. Your theory implies fluidity and types, which gives me cognitive dissonance. Im not sure how to think of both. I like the idea of people using all the cognitive functions on a spectrum, (like higher Fi/low Fe) and putting that into a type is certainly easier to look at i suppose but it feels too absolute. People are too complex to be a type. Theres so many bias/neurodivergence,/trauma/mood states etc etc that create an unlimited amount of intersectionalities which make up someones "personality"
I honestly like your approach a lot and think it is healthy. I have happened to notice certain consistent 'cognitive networks' preferred over others so it would be slightly misleading of me to throw out type altogether (which are the representation of these network preferences), but at the end of the day I would rather people view all functions on a vast spectrum than cling firmly to a type label :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory For sure! what branch of psychology are you studying; clinical? Will be interesting to see if you learn any insights. Don't be afraid to changeup your theory if you make new realizations, its certainly something to build on! I appreciate the nuanced approach..more true to Jung
Then I’m not COMPLETELY out of my mind when I say that I am like a mixture of the INTJ/INFJ, ESTP/ESTJ, ISTP/ISFP, ESFJ/ENFJ…?
Because… yeah. That’s obviously incorrect.
But I have been reading Jung, researching and learning from so many, digging, trying to piece together my own ideas, wondering if we’ve even got all the cognitive functions actually covered, wondering if there is as much separation between them as we’ve delineated, tried desperately to find a box to fit myself into so that I can represent with some authority…
It’s pretty much all but clear that I’m INTJ to my wife - and I see it… but I definitely think ESTP is the closest to my natural way of being… well, that or ENTJ/ESTJ…
I felt a distinct collapse of the “wave function” of my psyche, so to speak, when I was hanging out with my boys at a hotel room one night. My 2 year old was being so IN THE MOMENT, but also just figuring every single thing out: SEE, Explore, TINKER, KNOW, MOVE ON. I can only describe the feeling as “manifesting Extraverted Thinking”… and the world, all of a sudden, felt like the whole world was JUST THAT ROOM. It felt very… calming. It was very “Te-Se” and I supposed I experienced it in a very “Ni-Fi” way. But then as soon as that calm hit, I began to self-analyze it and trace it and to RECREATE that feeling - and I could, like flexing a muscle you didn’t know you had, but just figured out how to use.
………
Now that I’m saying this….
And analyzing it again…
I differentiated Te and Se through will of mind, didn’t I?
Dang it. Kristen might be right about INTJ.
But…
ESTP feels so real to me.
I’ve also been severely traumatized in my life.
I also very much use Ti - I like to invent my own systems for categorizing and understanding things… AFTER I fully comprehend what’s available. I used to try to do that early, without enough information… and ended up feeling like a fool eventually.
Hmmm…
HMMM.
I could say so much more. But I’ll just complicate things, likely.
I know ESTJ and ENTJ have been “itches”.
That’s caused me to consider INFP and ISFP, consequently. But… I’m really not fond of self-righteousness. EVEN IF that turns out to be an aspect of me, I highly disrespect that in myself when I catch it - which is to say, usually immediately.
I also really love showing warmth to those who I notice are lacking having someone on their side… as long as they’re not delusional.
I don’t even know what I’m saying right now. I got tired all of a sudden.
People are mostly to complex to be a type, because, they then get stereotyped, even by themselves. "American" is a type, but the American stereotype is seldom true of most Americans, the good one or the All -American good one.
isn't it the Ambivert subtype of intj and entp
ESTP are rare to getting typed due to their lack of belief in stuff like this. It is not that they are rare, it is rare they would search to get typed.
Do you think alot of I_TJ's tend to mistype themselves as I_TP's?
Definitely if theyve noticed their Ti function more, but failed to notice their NiFi/SiFi
to give my contribution I can said you don't easly find Estp in usual social ambiences; they are afraid to get bored soon. So you meaby don't see a lot of them.
Ryan Reynolds is an INTJ ne subtype.
What do you think?
He's mostly typed ENTP but i don't buy it
Do ESTP's Se and Ti can come across as ADHD symptoms? Just curious
Actually ESTP's can have a strong hyperactive vibe - I'm not sure how many ESTPs I have met with actual ADHD but I can see how certain symptoms can overlap. A surprisingly wide variety of types can have this diagnosis actually!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory thanks much :) it's a curious overlap, I have a ESTP boss who has ADHD. not sure which is the causality.
Se-Fe Convergence, yes. We can seem to have ADHD and one manifestation can be hyperfocus. I was not diagnosed with ADHD, nor was my ESTP Mom nor ESTP, son. However, we’ve got “symptoms!” My Te-Se son, WAS diagnosed with mild, ADHD.
@@johnnymiller9622 oh, I'm very sorry to hear. I'm one of the souls which people suspect have ADHD but I didn't have a proper diagnosis. But yeah, I thought I could relate it with cog functions. No offense there :)
@@shankariab1687 I’m an ESTP. No offense taken. It’s ridiculously hard to offend me, according to my wife. Some stereotypes ring true!
I tried to concentrate on content ;D but I dunno whether you noticed, but you look like Shaggy from Scooby doo with those dark blonde curly hair and green t-shirt ;D
Interesting find. It's definitely more sensible if types are spread out roughly the same throughout the population. Not seeing why certain types will be more suppressed in society, although that's possible.
There must be some ESTPs in your audience, i think female ones have higher chance to appear somewhere. Are they mistyped themselves, maybe? It's not a rule, but a tendency i've noticed: people who belong to the same quadra tend to gravitate towards youtubers of that quadra. For example: ESFPs watching INTJ, ISFP, ESFP videos; ISTJs, ESTJs watching INFP videos; ESTPs watching INFJ videos and vice versa, et cetera.
Funnily enough I think alpha quadra encompasses the CPT majority!
My guess of the rearest type (before watching): enfp? 🤔
Good guess! Similar cognitions in many ways
Most people think I’m being stupid or silly when I say this but I’m ENFP and the only other types I feel similar to or have wondered if I am, are ISTP and ESTP.
Every gitlie on Tiktok now says they”re INFJ.
You know, I betcha all the STP's have gravitated toward America - not that there's anything wrong with Great Britain!
I presume you already do this in your coaching program, yet I still think it could really be useful for people if you'd show how to develop functions each type lacks, the blind spots so to speak. Ni-Fi for an ENTP and vise versa for an INTJ. Every individual is, well, an individual, yet a broad generalization of what to do could really bring the awareness to people, especially when it comes to your level of reasoning. I think you're more than capable to communicate all those intricacies in type development.
Exactly, unless a client comes to me with a specific goal in mind (which is often the case) I default to holistic development that tends to share with the blindspot :)
I’ve tested both INFJ and INFP. The real kicker is that the percentages flip from 51%P/49%J to 51%J/49%P. I also have ADHD and am a recovering codependent. Those aspects make me wonder if I’m an INFJ with ADHD or an INFP with learned reactive empathy 😂.
I’ve gone to labeling it the Gemini effect (May baby👋) and say I’m an INFP/J (the newly discovered rarest type 😅 - I made that last part up) or a unicorn 🦄. I take on other’s emotions and try to mediate/counsel them to bring back joy. (Hate conflict and negative emotions but sometimes you have to stand your ground) I spark with ideas but also have to understand how it all connects in the bigger picture. Of course my ADHD will kick in and I’ll struggle to remember what connections I just found. Then, out of no where, I’ll be struck by the beauty of sun light peaking through the trees while a light breeze tingles my skin and lifts my heart as I walk down the street. Oh it’s sometimes fun to be me 😂
Side note my husband is an ESTJ and my oldest son tested as an ESTP
If you don't mind me commenting, INFP may definitely be worth considering - I see a lot of Fi-Si in your final paragraph oh which I wish I had more consciously! Work in progress I suppose. I think any cognitive type can have ADHD the aietology of which/neural correlates is probably very varied between cognitive types. I myself am a divergent ENFJ; ENFJs in general wouldn't be your primary candidates for ADHD in the traditional MBTI sense.
So what you are describing is a dichotomy test, which is the Big 5 Personality Factor test, you should take that test if you are more interested in that sort of a concept. This specific channel uses it's own typology methods that I'm not overtly familar with, well I am I just don't understand all of it because it's confusing lol though it's based on concepts of the MBTI/Carl Jung. But in normal MBTI you would either be an ISFP or and INFP, and that is the difference you should focus on. I noticed in your video you have art in the background and you talk about being a designer. INFJ's are notoriously bad at drawing things so we can probably rule that out. INFP's love the idea of being an artist, they love the artist identity and they do paintings and drawings as authentically as possible, they just love art. If you were to ask me if my INFP friend's paintings are any good? No not really, but I'd never actually tell them that, they're better than most don't get me wrong because INFP's will actually practice it, but they don't have any sort of natural talent for it. ISFP's on the other hand are naturally gifted at being artists, they have the talent for it, my sister who is an ISFP can knock anyone out of the park with her drawings, but she really doesn't care about being an artist, there's never like a goal with her, she just draws things occasionally when she's bored. They excel at jobs like being a designer of any sort (fashion ect), being a tattoo artist, anything that's just like real world using your hands type of art. But they often can lack the drive to even pursue these sorts of careers and their lack of imagination stops them from being like comic book artists, because they don't like the story writing aspects, INFP's on the other hand would make great comic book artists, because comic books are like cartoons and not realism, and INFP's are good writers. ISFP's prefer to draw things that are realistic, or if someone else gives them a prompt, whereas INFPs can use their imagination to just come up with ideas that interest specifically them. Another thing to note is that ISFP and ESTJ match is a perfect paring according to a lot of compatibility charts, but INFP/INFJ would be a horrible paring so if your husband really is an ESTJ it is more likely you are an ISFP, but you're not using the MBTI metrics to type so who knows what he would be in the MBTI. I hope this long response helps you better understand your MBTI type.
@@Tified967 I think ENFP's are a bit more likely to have ADHD because their Ne dom make them jump from one idea to the next, if we are talking perfect candidates, many of the ENFPs that I'm friends with are diagnosed with it, and those who aren't will still stand up mid doing something and just start walking around looking for people to talk to lol, it's pretty endearing.
You are like Raymond Holt
Your interest in the ESTP is partially due to the fact that, as INFJs, they are our dual type!
I am unaware of the extent to which you are handling background processing of socionics-theoretics in your construction of CPT. If you are drawing from that area of the 'personality space', then please continue. If you have left that area alone for the most part, please look into it. None of what you are noticing comes as a surprise to what socionics predicts for the intertype relations of the SLE-IEI. As duals, they use the *same* cognitive strategy to process *completely separate* areas of the information space. This produces the effect of feeling like the ESTP is attached to the same cognitive goals (what they are noticing about the world and how they are wanting to maneuver through it) yet approaching those goals from a realm of information to which you lack any access. When together, the SLE-IEI dual pair has a chance to produce a composite-whole perception of - and reasoning about actions within - the world (as does every dual pair). If you are familiar with dialectics at all, the dual relationship is one of meeting the other end of the dialectic of your cognition.
Socionics is by no means a perfect framework, but this is one area where it excels unlike any other. Would be happy to work with you to integrate this into CPT. Shoot me a message.
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As I read your other comments, I see socionics jargon! Looks like you have a handle on things. That being said, I bet some of my insights would be complimentary. Offer stands!
I’m INTJ female. I though that was rare. Is it not?
Actual INTJs are definitely quite rare, as far as types go! I've personally had a lot more INTJs than ESTPs, however.
In Brazil, Estp is not rare
My older sister scored ESTP. She is very charismatic and driven in a way but I probably wouldn't send her MBTI links like I would my other friends unless they were memes because I don't think she would have the patience. If I talk to her in person she would "pretend" to be interested but after a few minutes I would see her trying to change the subject. I also don't think Ive ever had a "real" conversation with her. I'm INFJ and we can talk about work or plans but there is no emotional vulnerability there that I can follow up on.
I thought I was an ESTP because I haven't planned anything in my life. Seriously, when I was sick I used to go to school without a tissue box, just gathering around everything that seemed useful for the purpose. Then, ESFP would make sense too, although I doubt it, what are the chances one is interested in topology? Well, I know my knowledge is poor and all that, and that seems to point to a weaker intuition. Also, I'm not charismatic, I actually believe this is the reason why we reproduce so little.
Si dominants don't struggle with details while ni dominants do. They are detail oriented while ni dominants aren't.
Is this the main difference between the two?
If i can answer, generally yes. But it also depends on which codec (judgement) the Ni/Si lens is assigned to. For example, INTJ uses NiFi, meaning that they are casting broad lens into their internal lymbic world. Therefore yes, their internal world is more blurry and abstract.
However, when they are dipping into Ti, their internal scope tightens (NiFi - SiTi) as a result their thinking is very specific, incremental and detail oriented. Therefore, they are abstrac/holistic feelers but detailed thinkers. This Ti is still Fi imbued, meaning that it isn't used for it's own sake, but when/if INTJ finds certain theories personally meaningful etc. I hope that helps.
@@gilded_spark_7022 I’m INTJ and that’s a fabulous explanation. Thanks
@@jenniferblixt5148 Happy to hear that! Thanks ~
Not ESTP: There are loads of ESTPs in my family. They are among the least introspective people I know, so I agree that they are less likely to be interested in their own personalities. The generational and geographical explanations also make sense to me. On the plus side, my ESTP relatives are smart, funny, and engaging in the extreme. On the negative, they are mostly narcissistic and occasionally very antisocial (but you'd never know it). BTW, my ESTP granny married my INFJ grampy with hilariously awful results.
ISTP
ESTPs are too busy playing 🏀 to be interested in typology.
I think LeBron James cares alot more about beating Kareem's scoring title than him being an ESTP.
Funny, but somewhat true. I avoid basketball and most organized team sports that require any discipline, which might be different if I was banking what Lebron is, but I was too busy doing stuff in general, nor had I much interest in my own identity until almost, 50 years old to care about typology. I might add that I knew about MBTI-esque typology since 1981. So, you are right in that we don’t make enough time to ponder things like, “Who am I??”
Wow, such profound insight?@!???!?!
It's almost like the group of people most suited for success on this planet don't seek mental help...who would have thunk it?!?!?!?
I think Beta types, in general, are the minority in the U.K and USA. The Beta women are really really uncommon. I can hardly find them, period.
I will go so far as to say that I think the rarest types are the TiNe, TiSe, and TeNi females, and the FiNe males in the general population.
That certainly checks out with my experience!