ENTP or ESTP? | Type Comparison

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  • @magicalpasta5462
    @magicalpasta5462 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    It was a calculated risk, but unfortunately I'm bad at math-An ESTP possibly

    • @saintanic.musician
      @saintanic.musician 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ESTP here confirming that's something I'd say/have said

    • @Tified967
      @Tified967 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      My sons an ESTP & he's very good at math albeit I think SiTi- does proclivicate (ENTP)one to more sequential mathematical way of thinking but that's not to say ESTPs can't do it

  • @bobatea6781
    @bobatea6781 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I’m an ENTP working towards being a professional animator. The perfectionism till you tremble is real. 😅 I’ll think stuff like ‘Oh I need to learn architectural drafting for point perspective and cityscapes’ 👁️👄👁️
    I also have a crafted persona.

    • @Tified967
      @Tified967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Can I ask when you say you have a crafted persona do you feel like this has something to do with the FiSi blindspot or more to do with the ENTPs impetus to solidify themselves/cultivate a social persona based upon their skills sets or both/anything else? As an ENFJ I've been accused of being fake before on account of the usual Fe stereotypes of 'fakery' although ironically I think we're probably the type that encourages people to be their most authentic selves without giving that much away about ourselves despite coming off as very personable (quite the irony really). I do struggle with a more general sense of 'identity' as my SiFi is relatively unconscious. I can relate to having a more crafted persona however albeit I think this probably stems from a different origin point to the ENTP & is also impacted by aspects superflous to cognition...I tend to base my FeSe around being an academic & have done since a young age...I guess it's a bit foolish of me/dangerous to invest my identity all into one 'mode' of being. Anyway, I greatly admire ISTJs as I struggle with a sense of constancy. On that note, do you feel like your 'crafted persona' organically develops in line with your skills sets etc or is it something you have to give more conscious thought to? Apologies, I'm curious, I hope you don't mind me asking! 😊

    • @bobatea6781
      @bobatea6781 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Tified967 For me it’s not a Fi/Si blindspot but the latter. My persona has been carefully crated through study and reflection. I see my persona as my elegant personal brand and I’m selective about who I truly let in.
      Listening to people, charming them with compassionate positivity and anticipating their expectations is just as essential as technical skill when it comes to succeeding professionally or personally.
      The unfortunate reality of life is most people don’t care about your wellbeing, so I have no issue presenting them the professional and warmhearted face they want, while saving my authentic self for those that truly care. Those close personal relationships are what matter and are fulfilling.

  • @Tified967
    @Tified967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This video came right on time! I've been struggling to type my son (ok let's at the caveat that he's only young so it's an approximation at best) as either an ESTP or ENTP. I'm leaning slightly more towards ESTP: he's liked by all but tends to gravitate towards a small friendship group & is quite vocal about who he does like & who he doesn't. I think one of these friends is an INFJ who seems to be taken in by him whether he likes it or not 😂. The INFJ child is simply a wander to behold; they overtly seem like chalk & cheese yet have a lot underlying in common. CPT has certainly helped in my approach to learning as I can understand why he gets stuck on more of the minutiae...he'll often get the right answer on a maths problem but not be able to really explain how he got there. Anyway, top quality content, I'll have to give this more thought.

  • @jinny36
    @jinny36 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I would love to see a video on the differences between ESTP and ESFP. I find it challenging to tell them apart.

    • @Tified967
      @Tified967 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've found a great distinction (as my son is ESTP & my fiancé ESFP) is the Ti vs Fi authority. It's rather simplistic but my son always needs a logically cohesive rationale as to why something is the case whereas my fiancé will just default to his values. However, I do live with an über anxious ESFP & probably quite a rare enneagram for this type so there is that, he's not as chilled as most other ESFPs I know.

  • @harkamsz
    @harkamsz 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That "It is what it is" attitude regarding eSF/ESTP reminded me of my childhood lmao. Whenever I did something seen weird by people around me, and they finally asked me why did I do so, I used to reply them as such: Nothing! [It has a waaaaay cuter tone to it in Turkish, (Hiiiiiiiiiiiç!) my mother tongue.] Nice video to be blunt. Convinced to be ESTP at this point. Thanks, yay!

    • @Tified967
      @Tified967 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ha you sound like my son, he's only 5 & gets away with murder because he's über cute with that cheeky ESTP disposition 😊

    • @harkamsz
      @harkamsz 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Tified967 haha it sounds really cute, i wish the best both for him and his family :)

  • @podunk87
    @podunk87 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man, I don't know if you have intentionally worked on this or not, but you are so much easier for me to understand now. It seems like you grade your language a bit more, because I felt really stupid when watching your older videos, and would have to rewind multiple times every video. You've just got great vocabulary.

  • @mraarontorres
    @mraarontorres 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is such a spot on well articulated video , I would like to send this to the ESTP individuals i know of but i already know they wont listen to the whole video
    Essentially the thinking styles part is what prominently Differentiates me as a ENTP from ESTPs
    I want to know the impotence the why before acting and consider the possibilities/ alternative options. & i want more information. Wheres the ESTP people in my subjective experience just. DO FIRST & THINK later and i get hardly any detailed information just vague authoritie commands " just do it " ect
    Thought preceeds action is my motto ... for everything i do is a manifestation of a thought / plan i created. A possibility i put into fruition
    I hate just doing things without thought

    • @Tified967
      @Tified967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And this has probably just confirmed that my son is an ESTP...yup do first think later! He's splattering similar colours around broadly speaking so eventually something will stick, thanks my dear. Meanwhile my ADHD meds have worn off & I can't stop talking or writing on here! Me FeSe convergence is in happy mode - ENFJ

  • @aknkna7246
    @aknkna7246 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'm so glad you talked about the thinking styles. I had been thinking and wondering about it for a while and loved theorizing about it on the discord! This explanation is in my opinion so important that it could be added to the CPT principles playlist.

    • @Tified967
      @Tified967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I've seen many an amateur on MBTI forums conflate themselves with being an ENTP due to being a supposed NT type & having more of a holistic approach to logic which would be more indicative of the ESTP or another that's more of a broad thinker. Really pertinent comment, thanks, I'll probably see you on the discord :)

  • @mustaineboots
    @mustaineboots 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    CPT certainly is more deterministic, or if i were to reiterate, has the most potential for determinism than other systems of type, like you said
    While a NiTi holistic nature is very much embedded in it's inner workings, making it quite the flexible system, i do believe that there are intuitive leaps that can be made, more concrete things that it can be connected to and rerouted to the system that can point it toward a more deterministic SiTi viewpoint
    I suppose that's what makes CPT quite easy to register, even for sensing thinking pairs
    At least, that is one approach i find myself taking quite often, as an eNF myself
    I think it's quite interesting how it's innate Ni flexibility is what accounts for it's potential in determinism.
    Cheers, harry.

    • @Tified967
      @Tified967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just to say I loved your last sentence...you summed it up really well. Cheers 😊 - ENFJ.

  • @Lorena_
    @Lorena_ หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the way you talk, your voice is so relaxing.
    Thank you! I love your explanation

  • @Najiyyah
    @Najiyyah 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am an ENTP my sister is an ESTP! This was spot on and very informative!

  • @ratmancool
    @ratmancool 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love these type comparison videos Can you make one for ISFP or INTJ? Its a very common mistype and I havent seen to many videos on it. Thank you Harry, you are awesome :)

  • @DieAgainAndAgain
    @DieAgainAndAgain 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Been waiting for this for a while

  • @maryrosenwasser1656
    @maryrosenwasser1656 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok got to the middle and i'm already sure my son is ESTP, he got this in the test but he is very sensitive and non violent, also get scared easily so i was skeptical but everything said here is spot on
    Super picky with friends, traditional mindset at times, is ok with emotional duality and is not about the details of anything, also was never keen on repeatedly perfecting his skills

  • @nyxcole9879
    @nyxcole9879 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the most accurate representation I've ever heard ❤ Thank you - ESTP

  • @midyar
    @midyar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi CPT. I liked your variants on subtypes with the ENTP. One day maybe you can do one on the ESTP.

  • @user-lp6ez2nn2q
    @user-lp6ez2nn2q 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video as always! So how NiTi manifests in a skillset area, is it some "jack-of-all-trades" attitude? Cheers Harry

    • @CognitivePersonality
      @CognitivePersonality  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In an improvisational sense yes! NiTi- can wing it pretty well

  • @paljones8631
    @paljones8631 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That was a bit of a coincidence, I just finished reading about Se-dominants and was about to read about Ne-dominants, when I saw this video was uploaded.

  • @user-dt2wd9cl1e
    @user-dt2wd9cl1e 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hey there!
    Would you say that the differences you´ve elaborated between NT an ST styles of thought, as well as SF vs NF styles of feeling can be translated similarly to ISTPs vs INTPs? With ISTPs being more action oriented and firmer with their boundaries, as well as INTPs being a little more otherworldly, nitpicky and more collectivistic?
    Personally I´ve noticed that these two types are actually very very different from one another.

    • @Tified967
      @Tified967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great observation! I've noticed this too. I tend to gravitate towards both types but particularly the ISTP; I do find they can be somewhat stubborn however (actually kind of bit like me as a divergent ENFJ - it's either my way or the high round kind of attitude)...INTPs tend to be a lot more accommodating from what I've seen as a generalisation.

    • @CognitivePersonality
      @CognitivePersonality  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes indeed! ISTPs can also get pretty abstract but do so from a love for explosive Innovation and holistic Synthesis

  • @infinitysconcinnity2418
    @infinitysconcinnity2418 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks a million, Harry!

  • @need4seed-hentai_protag
    @need4seed-hentai_protag 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I feel like I'm both of those things. I want to go from something that is probably true to something that is concretely true, and sometimes I just take guesses on what constitutes as "true" and roll with that, sort of saying "this will likely be more true if x or y" (btw I'd love to watch more videos about ifn's ✨)

    • @somethingelse2814
      @somethingelse2814 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Instead of thinking about this in terms of discrete events, think about them as cross-time patterns that form an emergent identity. So, the logical rumination over specific identity-linked skills by the entps is what gives them more freedom/confidence to take more risks and allow their outward social actions to be more flexible. Estp cross-time is more principle imbued and immediacy of outcome driven. For example, Estp "creativity" comes from a lack of specificity in thought.

    • @Tified967
      @Tified967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just wanted to say re somethingelse2814 this is a superb comment that should give you a lot of insight. Also just to add I'll give myself as a case in hand example as I've been typed by Harry (sorry just to confuse you further but it's an important caveat)...I'm a divergent (now moving towards a more default position) ENFJ so primarily I'm a broad holistic thinker utilising TiNi however Harry also found that I have a heavy SiTi subnetwork going on whereby I think much more sequentially - these networks effectively run along side one another hence it can be difficult to deduce what cognitive type I am, even probably to your more experienced typologist (hence why I prefer the explanatory power & mechanistic nature of CPT). Please just bare that in mind if you are getting stuck on typing yourself...it's not necessarily due to your own typing skills or not knowing yourself well but rather, in all likelihood, utilising a proliferation of networks dependent upon context etc. Have you considered being typed? It certainly answered a lot of questions for me. I have to admit I 'feel' like I'm an NT thinker (in CPT terms) as SiTi comes a little less consciously to me as, at times, I do consider myself somewhat of a lazy thinker if I'm not utilising this network (ENFJs can fall into the trap of synthesising abstract concepts/data that isn't necessarily related if they're not careful...Hey this served me well at A level re making up stuff & getting away with it but I learned the hard way at degree & postgrad level that TiNi couldn't work it's magic alone...hmmm I wander if the ISTP has this tendency as well?!). Anyway, apologies for waffling, it sounds like you have a good degree of fluidity on account of utilising both 'processes'. There's various ways to ascertain your type albeit I have found, as a general rule, looking to one's blind spot can be very revealing...When Harry typed me I immediately agreed & related to the ENFJs blindspot despite not being fully on board (SiTi leaves no stone unturned) with my ENFJ typing, well at least not initially anyway owing to the silly behavioural stereotypes that surround Fe dominants (me bad for believing them lol). Good luck with your typing journey 😀

  • @peacewalker4058
    @peacewalker4058 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love the new graphs for types but i do need to ask something (I had the same question when I watched your latest network video) what exactly does the arrow pointing from Ni-Fi to Si-Ti in ENTP and Si-Fi to Ni-Ti in ESTP mean? I understand the others since it shows the convergent functions going into their counterparts but i don't get why that arrow is returning to divergent functions.
    Also can you elaborate on Si-Fi blindness more please? Other type videos goes more in depth to their blindspot but it wasn't there in the ENTP video, and I didn't quite get it in here also.

    • @CognitivePersonality
      @CognitivePersonality  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Anywhere there is a continuum there exists a pathway. This also presents the notion of double dips.. as NeFe and dip through into NiTi and increase the dip to SiTi from there.

    • @peacewalker4058
      @peacewalker4058 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CognitivePersonality I can't say i got it 😅 but I guess i will figure it out when you use it more in your videos.

  • @phoenixxsoul
    @phoenixxsoul 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I have to say I've met a lot of ENTPs who have a tendency to generalize and jump to conclusions, despite their SiTi nitty gritty microanalysis :))
    It might be due to their overall Fe eagerness. But in the areas they're well versed at, they're very insightful.
    I wish these comparison videos can also be a bit longer tho

  • @SoulGoof7
    @SoulGoof7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ooooo new video style
    Me likey

  • @notthatvashti8127
    @notthatvashti8127 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good. Thanks.

  • @ronantheunissen8233
    @ronantheunissen8233 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi there, I'm not sure if you'll see this but I REALLY hope you will. I'm not sure if you take any suggestions for videos and perhaps this might seem a bit beneath you given your deep understanding of the CPT/MBTI types, but I really wanted to ask if you could please please do a video/series of Dungeons and Dragons classes as the CPT/MBTI types, or which (if not multiple) D&D classes might resonate with a given type or which class(es) might feel most comfortable and natural for each type to play as. I've always thought the D&D classes might reflect well on the Types; considering each class' unique approach to taking in information, making decisions, growth at stages, planning and means of enactment of said plans (if any at all) and their means of interacting with the world in different ways. I'd love a description and correlation of these and I'd thought this would be a really interesting project/thought experiment/analysis to undertake, especially since most sites or sources that exist on this comparison are only surface-level using the pop-psychology understanding of each of the Types. I would love to see it, and I just want to say that I love your videos and respect and appreciate your in-depth understanding and broadcasting of the truth regarding the types according to their cognitive functions ❤ please keep it up, and know you and your work are appreciated!

    • @FeasibleImaginings
      @FeasibleImaginings 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Harry promised in a recent upload to make a DnD style video at some point.
      He made what may be a similar one some years back "The 16 Types as Fantasy Classes":
      th-cam.com/video/Ngdu4X-XZPo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b_XtZatFj-OJmLSU
      A very interesting video, as always.

  • @sugarcravings1797
    @sugarcravings1797 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    To be honest, I've been confused between being these two types.
    On one hand, I'm extremely deterministic.
    For example, I attempted to make sense of what is without using the word 'something', that is, I was in a quest to define reality itself. I couldn't (for now). I can only reason by logically determining what I'm reasoning about, otherwise I cannot process it.
    On the other hand, I'm also appalled by certain behaviors, such as dishonesty and cowardice. I have firm principles by which I stand, the problem is, I'm also too willing to let others behave immorally around me as long as it's consistent with their nature. If I think someone's actions are incongruent with their words (for example, they call me a friend but they don't react to my insta memes, while they react to my best friend's), my first reaction is to cut them off.
    Sometimes I explode and dedicate a complete essay as to why our relationship doesn't work.
    This is not SOCIONICS, but I have to admit I easily get over anything personal. I'm untouched by most (I think). I think most prefer to just leave you and expect you to understand, and I really don't get it, that's why I ask directly if there's a rule I broke or if there's an instance in which I was too much. I think it's lack of shame (I think).
    This is the new me however, after my glow-up, previously I was a pushover, I thought it was a me problem for being unable to keep up with others' expectations (i.e. not being funny/interesting/skillful enough) and I got flabbergasted when others reacted offended by my comments. Fortunately, I added those reactions to my database and I think I got a good handle of it. Maybe I'm just a weird-ass INTP who got traumatized by life despite getting a good handle of his extroversion.
    (still trying not to write ultimatums pertaining the nature of a particular friendly relationship anymore tho)

  • @Blizarrow
    @Blizarrow 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What are your thoughts on socionics? I find I can see a bunch of similarities between ILE(ENTp) SLE(ESTp) and your descriptions of ENTP and ESTP

    • @somethingelse2814
      @somethingelse2814 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He's stated in other comments and videos that he hasn't studied it too deeply in part because he finds socionics use of ego, super ego, and id incorrect.
      My opinion: socionics and cognitive function models like Keirsey and Beebe have shared so much between eachother that they are functionally the same, just different lexicon. The utility of them are equally mediocre beyond general descriptions and other broad strokes

  • @GealtCollective
    @GealtCollective 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would you be interested in collaborating with a Schizoaffective man with an interest in Jung to better understand the psyche? My voices are these sort of proto-egos that are gradually getting closer to full egos as time goes on and they get less confused. We are being forged. I find the theory of positive disintegration quite fascinating.