Why Does Everyone Love The Atomos Ninja V?
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
1:14 - Why I purchased it
2:51 - My first experience using it
3:15 - First impressions
4:32 - Features
5:52 - Codec Comparisons
7:02 - Final thoughts
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Thank you for a very honest assessment of the Ninja V. The thing I find hardest to live with is the menu system which appears to be anything but intuitive!
I got mine used primarily to shoot raw on my Nikon Z7 and record prores. It helped me visualize what raw can do while shooting. It is definitely more than I need, but I think it was a good purchase and one that I will look back on with approval.
It depends on the gear you pair it with. For example, I just ordered a Ninja V+ for my new Canon R6II. For that camera, it allows 6k 60 Raw recording that's not available internally. Also from what I've heard, Canon codecs are hard to edit so ProRes might be easier. And lastly, RAW recording offers more color info and dynamic range in some cameras. If it indeed improves dynamic range on the R6II, then there are many benefits to a Ninja vs a monitor only (like SmallHD).
Hows it been with the V+? I have the r6 mk ii but the regular V as a hobbyist, got the monitor for 280 cad. Wondering if it's ever worth the upgrade in the future. Dont really do any big projects that I would really need it for haha
Nice video! Couple of points though - the main reason to use PRORES is that it's an editing codec i.e. it's very fast to work with in an editor because you are trading CPU power for storage. Scrubbing through the video and rendering will be dramatically faster. There is no point showing different bitrates and colour depths on a TH-cam video, when it's on TH-cam - it's 8 bit / 8Mb/s (HD). The only reason to keep a more data rate and bit depth around is to give you more dynamic range to play with in the edit. Your audio on that mic outside sounded great btw.
Yeah for sure. It’s a great tool for those reasons! Thanks 🙏🏻 😊
Sony A7III does not put out an external 10 bit, so it is always 8 bit video.
He said A7SIII
@@chrisrussellcaCheck at 1:18 and 1:28 time mark. He said A73.
@@andresce1308 later mentioned A7III is his second body. A7SIII is his mainbody
@@chrisrussellcaHe mentioned the A7S3 as his upgrade which records in 10 bit. The Sony codecs is so good the Ninja provides no true benefit. Regarding his A73, it outputs in 8 bit and the Ninja does not upgrade to 10 bit as he suggested as an improvement. I may have misinterpreted his mention on A73, but he implied an improvement when there is a minor improvement - you will get 8 bit 4.2.2 vs 8 bit 4.2.0., but no 10bit.
Check the video again as I did. He mentions A73 first and then his upgrade to A7S3. He made all valid points. Many will get a monitor for viewing and stick with the A7S3 Codec which is excellent. Nikon Z6II records in 8 bit 4.2.0. but will output a 10 bit for the Ninja V which is the key difference between the A73 and Nikon Z6II. Many mistakenly believe the Ninja V automatically gives you 10 bit. It only gives you the color space of 4.2.2. and certain cameras will export 10 bit as well and in those instances the Ninja V will record 10 bit 4.2.2.
Thanks for the reply. The Shinobi and Ninja V are good based on your camera's ability. I personally record in 8 bit and use a Shinobi for viewing and visual tools. 10 bit is definitely a pro requirement to get the best results.
Haha funny ending !
Cool video .
I never owned a monitor, i'm leaning towards a SmallHD or BMVA , however what would you recommend for an A7R3!?
I still really like the SmallHD monitors if you can afford them!!
Will the Ninja's touch screen functions mimic that of the native touch screen for refocus the auto-tracking?
Nope for that you might want to look at Porkeys monitors.
Hey Bryce, @4:04 you mentioned the speed of the ProRes in editing but what about the internal codec (XAVC S 4K) in the same comparison?
Will that edit as smoothly as ProRes (422) vs something like h264 where it drags even in scrubbing?
Hey, Hey Hey thanks for your question.
Depends on your computer. I am using the M1 Max 16" MBP so XAVC S 4k works perfectly fine, BUT I do notice a difference between ProRes and the internal Codec. There is sometimes some sluggish scrubbing or playback, but not on ProRes. It's smooth as a butter milk biscuit on a Sunday afternoon
@@BryceKoebel Thanks, I love buttery biscuits.
This is the second product review I've watched from you. I really like how authentic your reviews feel. They seem more focused on real world practicality as opposed to specs.
Saving for the next model (after V+) or at least buying the V+ cheaper when next model is released.
oh man , your video so good and at the end i have to add this monitor to my wishtlist, thanks
Hey thanks for the information. Question. Does it matter what year ninja v someone has? I seen one for sale and it had a 1920x1200 resolution… but others have 1920x1080. And new to this and I want to purchase one but not sure about certain specs. Will a firmware update change the resolution from old to new? Or should I just buy a newer model?
That's odd.. I am not sure! I've never heard of that issue. Sorry :(
Hey! I think those are just differences in content viewed and actual screen resolution! Basically those 120px in height should be just used for the infos in the screen while displaying at the same time a 1920x1080 image from the camera!
is it possible to connect NInja V to a Hasselblad X2D to record video? Because the X2D doesn't have HDMI (nor internal video recording capability)
What picture profile do you use for your Sony a7siii, what settings do you keep it on and lut do you use? maybe make a video similar to the last one "How To Shoot & Edit S-log 2 Footage" 🙏
That’s the plan! 🙌🏻
I use PP8 SLOG3. I’ll go into depth about it when I eventually make that video!
@@BryceKoebel awesome! Can’t wait 💯👏
@@BryceKoebelDid you end up making the video ? Would really like to watch it.
This is the question I have been asking myself! I am shopping around for my first monitor. I plan on doing mostly weddings and all I hear is the Ninja V is the way to go... But I have other gear to buy, own a FX3 and am not sure if it is. There's some monitors Ive been looking at by Portkeys that have my attention. You can actually tap to focus on them. Thanks again for adding this perspective. Not 100% sure which direction I'm gonna go, but this helps a lot.
I’m In the same boat , I’m leaning to the shinobi mostly because I don’t think I need the recording capabilities of the ninja , I just feel like it’s another avenue at the moment I don’t want to go down . The only thing that intrigues me is topaz ai , where you can apparently turn 4k footage to 8k footage with ProRes files , I don’t know if this can be done with fx3 internal footage ? Maybe some one knows the answer to this , I’m
Still a bit green when it comes to this stuff
Which one did you end up going with? I've been considering the Shinobi but hear that the Ninja and Shinobi both have color accuracy issues causing many users to have to spend another $70 on a screen calibrator from Atomos just to fix the issue. I'm now looking at the OSEE Lilmon 5 which seems to be the best bang for my buck but still not sure.
@@alezcoll which monitor did you ended up getting??
@@yahirsfilms Ended up getting the Osee Lilmon 5. It’s very high quality, especially for its price. I’m still learning it but it’s worked out well for me so far.
I have a SmallHD (yeah i know....) Dealing with the huge batteries and how fast they drained was a legit pain and deal breaker which unfortunately is not an isolated issue with just SmallHD
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Great video, thank you
I had the same back and forth but ended up getting a secondhand Shinobi. Before I decided, I thought the Ninja would be future proofing. In reality I bought a camera that can record Prores internally with no time limits so a Ninja for me would have been redundant. Irrationally, I still think they’re cool and kind of want one…
I still feel weird about it. I filmed a wedding with it recently and didn’t use the recording functions at all. I’m leaning more toward getting a Shinobi
@@BryceKoebel the Shinobi is definitely lighter with much better battery life. Just so you know, one quirk compared to the Ninja is that the Shinobi switches to 1080p monitoring in 4K 60 so if you use the punch in on the monitor the image will be softer.
I barely use that feature. I’m kind of hoping the Shinobi 2.0 comes out soon because that might be worth waiting for!
Maybe you buy it for safety and a larger screen
Well summarized! I feel similar about it. It's complicated. Its a very nice and desirable device with some great advantages, but it makes many things worse and more difficult.
Something I‘d like to mention as well, that nobody talks about is that it has a scaling function on it‘s hdmi out. I haven‘t seen any monitor yet that has this. I think this is the only way to have full 4k inside the monitor AND also be able to plug in an 1080p hdmi transmitter. With other solutions you have to either do a hacky solution with an hdmi splitter device or you have to accept to only have 1080p on your monitor. The Ninja solves it by default
@@gamepat9 Yeah honestly there are so many odd work-arounds with this monitor. It works so well, but at the same time can really hinder the filming process. Still trying to grasp if its more of a distraction than a benefit haha
You have so much to learn to both support and illustrate your opinions...like shooting a chip chart when you should be shooting a resolution chart to illistrate... well resolution....
3:13 was that A-Trak?
I got mine with a 1TB SSD and a few other accessories for $300 used and always wanted one so I jumped on it after seeing that deal. I also wanted one too and its super cool. Prores RAW 6K footage from the S1H is pretty big but I always include storage in my billing to clients so I'm not so concerned about it.
How did you get prores in davinci resolve?
You totally sold us on getting this monitor until the end... and now we're unsure about it
😂
Question: I have the a7siii paired with ninja v. for some reason I can’t get the picture to fill the entire screen on the ninja. Is there some setting I’m missing. Thanks!
Check to see if HDMI Info. Display is on? that might be the issue!
Very insightful. Thank you!
Damn good video clearing a lot of doubts I had! Thank you!
Why would the native setting cause glitchy looking footage causing people to have blue looking lips and blotches? When I switched to rec709 the footage looked fine.
I have a Sony a7iv. I can’t shoot 4K 120 but the v+ can at 10 bit. Since my a7iv can’t do it internally is it overkill to buy the v+?
How about the vent noise? I got this today and is so freaking noisy. Definitely I have to return
this sacred mythological monster of ninja v … I’m in doubt since years .. still I don’t have it and still ..I managed to do the work … still I ended up watching your video! Thanks for sharing
You know what’s funny? I expected myself to shoot a festival with it, but never ended up using the recording feature because I had enough memory card space… so like, do I actually need it?
What is the song name ?
nice video , I got mine to see where my focus is specially in sports
Workflow -. I simply hook up my SSD to my computer, and reference the video files on the SSD. Saves time, because I don’t import my videos for editing. Also, use the Ninja V to record game play on my computer. Much higher resolution that way.
Those are two points I had never considered (I'm thinking of buying one) like, using it for game capture??? Woah
Enjoyed the review man!
Thanks 😊 🙌🏻
The prores codec wins out when filming motion so your static test is not quite accurate. Do the same test with some flowing water and you will see the difference.
Thanks for this. 😊
With the free AtomOS11 upgrade, would be interesting to see if the UI concerns are addressed.
does the AF face detection problem when connected to an external monitor still a problem on the A7III?
So I haven’t had a problem with face detection, but it can be finicky. For example, you can’t see the face detect box on the cameras screen, and when you record the screen goes black. It’s kinda weird but it’s not a huge issue.
@@BryceKoebel but did u use an external monitor with recording internally not like with the atomos ninja V because thats when this problem came for people? Im just curious because if thats a problem i am saving for the ninja V if not im buying the shinobi because i am fint with the internal recording
Yes it is! With the A7III there is only one option, and that’s the Ninja V, however it’s only some kind of a workaround and only works when recording externally and in 4K (here’s how: th-cam.com/video/kLn8gAGHrDk/w-d-xo.html). But I still think that only for having face detection in 4K this monitor setup is way to expensive! And not to forget that 1000nits on a bright sunny day is quite weak and also the fans are too loud which can be a problem when using mics close to the monitor, as Bryce mentioned it drains the biggest Sony batteries way too fast (and they are not cheap), plus you won’t even get 10bit 4:2:2 externally. So in my opinion I would save that money and spend on much useful gears.
100% agree 🙌🏻
I love your conclusion.
"Should you get it?"
"I don't know"
😂 🤷🏻♂️
so can I use this with my canon 90d? and my much older 70d ?
Yup as long as you have an HDMI port
Do the batteries last longer on the ninja V if you only use it as a monitor without recording?
Yes way longer
@@BryceKoebel thank you… how many hours approximately on npf 750?
@@ThePistonPit Tough to say... there is an ability to press the screen lock button, and it will turn off the screen until you press it again which conserves power. I could get around 4-5 hours of use out of one battery.
@5:40 The Ninja V actually doesn’t tell the correct amount of ProRes Raw it’ll record. I’ve tested it out and usually gotten 2.5-3 hours on a 1TB SSD.
I know 🤷🏻♂️ it’s so weird.
From my understanding that's because ProResRaw file size depends a lot on what you're shooting not just how long you're shooting. If there's a lot of information in the scene, you'll have less record time available. Kinda like if your car says you have 200 miles left on the gas tank but then you drive at 100 mph that gas tank isn't going to last 200 miles.
I mean for the flexibility of shooting though, that's where the value of this tool is. Past just recording to SSD, you get an instant view of LUT's, an instant view of a screen larger than 3in (because camera manufacturers can't be bothered), zebra's (if your camera doesn't support it), false colors, focus checking..... the list is assorted and long.
It's main feature is recording.... but not its main usefulness
For sure. Over time I’ve actually come to love it a lot. Super powerful monitor 🙏🏻
is it possible to record only on ninja v with 1 TB or more SSD, without a memory card in side A7S3
Yes 👍🏻
Can anyone let me know if they ever rcvd a Skippy kangaroo icon while recording after 5 mins and it stopped recording. I currently have an R6 to pair with this monitor recorder however I am getting conflicting answers on a resolution. I have the recommended HDMI, the ATOMX SSD, and every setting as recommended. Help please.
When you tap the kangaroo does it not tell you what the issue is?
you don't need to shoot in pro res you can just transcode the footage
You should drop an affiliate link to this monitor, just an idea. Helpful video.
Done!! Thanks for reminding me :)
@@BryceKoebel anytime.
What mic is that by chance?
Rode Videomic Pro!
Until they try the Hollyland Mars M1. Of course it doesn't have the recording features but the screen is way superior
Great video!
This video is the poster child of youtube videos that ask a question but never have an answer.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Does it means i can record 4k 4:2:2 on my sony a7c?
Because a7c can't
No it doesn’t upgrade the colour specs. Basically you get a less compressed file, so technically yes it will colour grade easier, but it will look the same.
Only piece of gear that has ever failed me. I rented it for a music video shoot and it just stopped recording (kangaroo symbol) It was even paired with the super expensive angelbird ssd, which costs 3 times more than a good PC ssd.
Also the battery consumption is insane.
Maybe my rental was a freak accident but i'm just so sceptical of both companies now, and despite an external monitor being an interesting product to me, I dunno if I'd buy it.
Ahh man sorry to hear that. It’s honestly why I don’t record very often with it. So much can go wrong
If you get the kangaroo it’s something you did wrong. I use to have similar problems but after putting all the correct settings on both camera and ninja v I never had that problem again.
@@THENSHOTYA what are those settings?
@@taifer there’s a setting in the camera that makes the camera stay on at all times that’s the most important one that way you can only record with the ninja and not have to press the camera buttons so it won’t sleep. There’s a few other settings I can t remember but you can find it on TH-cam.
I have had the same questions when using it with my Z6II. Its nice but did I waste $500? Its create to see you video on a larger screen but most of my sequences are not 30 mins long and I don't do a lot of interviews. As you said, if I did a lot of coloring but I don't. Now, it does look cool when shooting for a client, I will give it that. Yeah, its complicated.
Eyyyyy no way you live in Nanaimo ! I love that city .
I actually live in Vancouver but I go there often for dance!!
It doesn't make any sense to use external recorder when your camera can't output anything better then it records via hdmi. If you had like an fx30 which can output 16bit raw via hdmi then it would make sense.
Yeah you’re right. It’s why I don’t record externally anymore 😅
I definitely think you just have to use this more.
You’re probably right
Hmmmmmm. Its value depends on what equipment you're pairing up with it. In my case an A7S. Together I get a great screen, avoid a lot of Sony's laughable built-in menu options, avoid having to use Sony's terrible screen, I can record in 4K (which I can't in-camera). I can certainly see how the value proposition diminishes with newer gear. For me though, even if the camera can record well enough, this offers a backup recording. I'm guessing you never had the misery of using the Ninja Blade and the terrible previous menu system. This is a far nicer product and interface design, which instills new life and capabilities into older equipment, avoiding the horrendous upgrade costs
I recently purchased the ninja five, and use it with my Lumix S1H… And it’s absolutely horrible, the lag/latency is so annoying and just about impractical in real world application
Im getting by just fine without one. These days with unlimited recording and manageable codecs on Canons the justification for an atomos has evaporated.
💯 agree
You look at the sittuation now? Samsung quit making 860 pro drives, and all your left with is a sony or angelbird option, with over inflated mac prices. I just bought the ninja Ultra, and luckly i have a few 860 pros.
You should see my Canon in 8K60 LT. 128 GB is 3 minutes.... You would be really sad lol
Hey Bryce,
Nice video. Got me rolling at @9:09.
Here’s evolution of you and N5:
Bryce: You’re weirdo man
N5: I know
Bryce: But I kinda like your weirdo-ness
N5: I know
Bryce: Okay I can still work with your weirdo-ness
N5: I know
Bryce: I’m definitely keeping your weirdo-ness
N5: I know
At least N5 is constant. Hahahahaha! 🤣 🤪 😝
I got the kangaroo warning ⚠️ and the auto cooling is already not working on my Atomos ninja v
Should you have gotten it? I HAVE
TO KNOW!!!
😅 ok ok ok
The pros:
1. Great screen + functionality
2. Recording comes in handy BUT very rarely am I using it. Like I don’t even think I will use it very often.
Cons:
1. Heavy
2. Battery sucks even with 970 batteries
3. Recording files are massive so I still record internally and save those files
4. The battery being on the right side can cause it to feel weird
Low key I might sell it 🙃 I’m looking at portkeys or something that allows you to control your camera
@@BryceKoebel amen 🙏🏼 thanks for sharing these insights 🫶🏼
THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU SO SO MUCH!!! Almost wasted my money.
😂
Why Does Everyone Love The Atomos Ninja V....? I reckon it's the external screen.
I think its the best pain in the butt you cant live w or w/o🎉
How many times can someone say “like” in a single video?
You should make a video about that. I bet people would like that 😉
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the thumnail makes me click bro lmao
Hahaha 😂
like like like
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Thumbnail made me click
Yuhhh 😂😂😂
If I drank every time you said “like” I wouldn’t even be able to write this comment because I’d be comatose
I promise I've gotten better 😂
@@BryceKoebel I’ll drink to that 🤣
cognitive dissonance: )
To be honest, I hate it.
Aight then