I literally stopped watching the video because he said that. Just me, but if you are going to put yourself out there and want to people to respect what you are pitching, might want to make sure you know what you are talking about. Just my .02
Would you be into doing a video about twisting your strings and cabels? Like how to increase/decrease draw length by twisting, and adjusting draw weight by twisting. And anything else you can do by twisting and show how to do it? It would be awesome!
You guys have me pumped to get My RX5!!! Anxious to hear your thoughts and review of the ventum ! great video and great content ! Keep up the good work!
Got any of those smaller rx5 modules laying around? I recently purchased a brand new rx5 but it only has the longer modules would like to obtain the smaller ones
Appreciate the very informative videos and reviews only thing i want to suggest is have a set of arrows that are the exact weight in all the videos just to give us a more apples to apples review. Thumbs up still and appreciate your work!
My ultra is on order haha. I was impressed with it at the shop. I can’t wait to see how my setup turns out. I’m doing an axcel picatinny sight and a limb driven rest on recommendation from thus channel.
If you switch back and forth with different arrows you’ll have to adjust your sights which can take a while. I would just use the same and put field tips in.
They’re actually 5lbs out of the box. Confirmed by other YT reviews. Weighed it at our local shop too. Hoyts lying about the weight but that’s nothing new. The Ventum will be a better seller
@@mattgee1087 can’t recall to be honest. Depends on which model but I know they weren’t the advertised weight which was I think around 3.9 -4.0. They were at least .5 more and just as heavy as the aluminum bows. They all seem to fudge their weight numbers
Finally an unbiased review of a 2021 Hoyt! Really looking forward to your take on the Ventum 33... As far as performance is concerned I have a bit of a trick question: I am one of those individuals with a 28.5" draw. Does this mean I would get better performance out of the Ventum 33 @ 28.5 than the Ventum 30 because they will be at the upper respectively lower end of their mods?
@@ashleysmith4191 I guess I’ll just have to see how it compares to my Vertix then to decide whether it’s worth making the switch back to Hoyt for me. Would really like to buy a new bow this year. Past two years just never seemed like an upgrade to me...
Man according to you face you just got from the bed,means you came earlier to the shop to record this,before first customers right?if this is the case,that's awesome how much effort and love you put into this
Hello there guys!! Very thorough review as usual... My only objection is that although you praise the smooth hump-free draw-cycle, the way you draw the bow is not the optimal. In order to get the full advantage of the smoother feeling, you have to have a more linear draw. Drawing the bow at first toward your chest and then bringing it to your anchor point costs you time and doesn't make sence. Lowering the bow's pountage to the point that you could spread it so your sight is aiming at the target and your draw hand reaches your anchor point will give you more time to aim, feel your shot better and fatigue less... That's what I do...
Shot the RX-5 yesterday, love the bow besides the weight. Just cant bring myself to buy a carbon bow that weighs/costs more than most alum bows. we weighted the bow with just a whisker biscuit on it. 5.2 Lbs. Hoyts advertised weights are the bow without anything rubber on it.
My biggest issue is not so much the weight, carbon has a lot of advantages other than just the weight(not so much with this bow vs other carbon bows)...but my biggest issue is the price for a bow with a riser made in good ol communist China....REFUSE to do it. Maybe if it were Japan or Germany...or another country that is known for actual high quality...but Fk China.
Thanks!!!! Take out the plastic label on the opposite side of the sight mounting holes on the riser and you will find a u-bolt for the picatinny mount. "According to Lancaster video".
Talked to rep at Axcel, and you CAN use existing sights, a d just get the adapter...you have to let them know exactly which model you have, because they have different adapters for diff sights.
It's worth pointing out, though I know you didn't mention it specifically in this video but did in the Ventum review about Hoyt going back to the Xact grip and while it's sort of true there is a difference in the dimensions of the grip itself. I say this because an older XACT grip dating back to the RX-1 does not fit. It wants to fit but just barely won't go on. When comparing them side by side the new grip has a harsher lower curve and has less material on the upper portion where it slides under the shelf.
maybe this picatelli thing is better, then you no longer need a sidebar + stabilizer on the other side of the bow to correct the counterweight of your visor. So again lighter in the hand. But would that RX 5 also be good to shoot at a target? Because a shorter arc is faster, but not forgiving. So a small mistake means fewer points on your score. And what I don't like is that you always have to have a bow press to change the roundels to shoot a perfect bullet hole. Then the Bowtech Reckoning is better in that area with the dreadlock system. No more bowpress required.
Yes if u have a axcel sight. Their making a system where u can remove the dove tail off the sight and replace it with the picatiny rail system.. for all their sights.
Binary systems do not reduce cam lean. As a design probably tent to have more cam lean to other systems if your draw style causes even a little torgue. This is the reason why elite and bowtech have applied tuning systems to their bows. Anyway having or not having a feature designed in your bow to cure the cam lean is not so important because the bow is going to shoot well. Most of the time cam lean in binary cams is minimal and is corrected when the bow is drawn. If the cam lean through is clearly visible and the angle of the cam leans a lot toward your cable rollers then you have to reduce the pressure at that spot. Hope I've helped you a little....
@@stavroskandianopoulos1755 I'm aware with cam designs and induced horizontal nock travel caused by the roller guard I would think there would be some kind of inner yoke system to reduce cam lean but Mathews has that patent.
My opinion is that all things equal (as soon as it's a quality bow overall) binary cam system bows without any kind of yokes are the epitome of bow-cam design because of the simplicity of function, reliability, ease of string replacement (or even self making) efficiency and feel, (as long as you are not overbowed). Mathews are too complicated machines for me to tinker with and although I aproove hoyt's new binary direction (and a three track especially) I'll miss the hoyt's I loved to hate.
@@stavroskandianopoulos1755 the new Mathews are super easy being a center pull design I replaced strings and cables already minus the yoke cables I will change them on the next string replacement they get very little wear I twist the string to get the ATA spot on and control cables equal in the cam timing windows the geometry of the cams will hit the draw stops even with the arrow centered on the burger hole and a level arrow to shoot perfect bullet holes in paper I really didn't need the optional drawboard for my Lastchance bow press honesty.
sweet bow line up from Hoyt shot it today along with the ventum, they stepped there game up for sure. On a side note what stabilizer is he running here?
I just don't understand how the carbon can be heavier/the same weight as an aluminum bow. I really wanted to buy this until I saw the the weight. When a Matthews weighs lighter and is cheaper I honestly don't know why I would choose this even over the rx4
My buddy bought one recently and we shot the Rx4 and RX5s after the Ventums.... Huge difference to us anyway. Im shocked at that weight of 4.4 because it feels WAY lighter. Try them, you'll see. My next bow will be the RX5 after seeing my buddy's.
@@Thisshitcrazybruh Hoyt hasn’t changed anything in like 4 years. A carbon bow should be light and it’s just as heavy or more than an aluminum bow. Like he said in the video “ Hoyt has exhausted these cams and there’s nothing else they can do with them” lol oh, they put a stabilizer on the limb pocket 😱 better call NASA and make sure they didn’t patent that 1st 😂 I used to shoot Hoyt and it’s a decent bow. Loud but decent. Definitely not worth its price though.
The advantages of a binary cam over a cam 1/2 is the binary actually has an effective valley. The binary is smoother drawing, better nock travel, easier tuning, more adjustability in the valley from short to long and unlike the cam 1/2, adjusting the valley doesn't effect the nock travel. The binary has better tune-ability thru all the draw length adjustments. The biggest mistake Hoyt made with going to a binary is that should have done it several years ago. By design, a cam 1/2 is a single cam. When you get into the upper end of the performance scale, the cam 1/2 draw cycle starts to get noticeably harsher that the binary cam at the same speeds. Years back, the single cam bow ruled the market but there came a day when the performance was not as good as the cam 1/2 and binary and the single cam quickly died. Now the performance of the cam 1/2 is following that same path, It will soon die. The binary is the better cam design for shoot-ability and tune-ability and is smoother with a better valley.
Soooo it's 600 dollars more to get less features, heavier than a carbon bow should be just so your hand is warm and just catching up to other bows with a new cam system after beating the other one to death? Never understand a Hoyt
You have to shimm the cams to adjust your tear when testing paper I love hoyt but it heavy an the came is a bowtec design an the have a copy patent lawsuit on their hands
Weights the same as everyone else's and their IBO speed is only 2 fps slower, so what was ur arguement again? Gunna guess ur mathews just from the mindless complaining, the feminists of the archery world.
@@sheldonhall5711 no 🤷🏻♂️ it weights 5lbs out of the box and costs way more than others. But for fanboys it dosent mather what weight it is 😂 i shot booth - have an Carbon defiant turbo and an mathews . Booth have good things , booth have baad things but in fakt - a Carbon bow that weigh is even or maybe heavyer than alubows and costs so much more 🤦🏻♂️
@@ochi5.56 I agree, they all have strengths and weaknesses, just depends what u value more. I was at the bow shop last night testing bows and I ordered an 80lb rx5. I couldn't tell the difference in weight, it shoots like a dream, it'll be warm to the touch, and I can get it in 80lbs to make up a little bit of speed, from my shorter draw length. I just dont think budget is a reason to denounce a bow. Is the warm to touch worth the extra 500 bucks? Thats to every individual, I've never owned a carbon bow, guess I'll find out
Wow, a carbon bow that costs 700.00 more than the aluminum version and weighs the exact same at the same specs?! Haha hoyts logic makes as much sense as any of these changing corona virus mandates and statistics. Par for the 2020 course Hoyt!
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if it hasn'tbeen said yet, it's picatINNY lol
If we are getting specific it’s actually called a 1913 rail
Its picatelli if you’re italian
Pumpernickel
@@Brian-zd7bv lol!
I literally stopped watching the video because he said that. Just me, but if you are going to put yourself out there and want to people to respect what you are pitching, might want to make sure you know what you are talking about. Just my .02
Would you be into doing a video about twisting your strings and cabels? Like how to increase/decrease draw length by twisting, and adjusting draw weight by twisting. And anything else you can do by twisting and show how to do it? It would be awesome!
He has made a video called “micro adjusting draw length” and I believe he mentions twisting string and cables in it
Finally been waiting for a good review! Perfect timing
You guys have me pumped to get My RX5!!! Anxious to hear your thoughts and review of the ventum ! great video and great content ! Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the help at the shop yesterday! Excited for mine to show up!
Got any of those smaller rx5 modules laying around? I recently purchased a brand new rx5 but it only has the longer modules would like to obtain the smaller ones
Appreciate the very informative videos and reviews only thing i want to suggest is have a set of arrows that are the exact weight in all the videos just to give us a more apples to apples review. Thumbs up still and appreciate your work!
Very efficient speed . I was impressed . I’ve never liked Hoyt, just the feel. But with a binary cam .... now that’s interesting.
My ultra is on order haha. I was impressed with it at the shop. I can’t wait to see how my setup turns out. I’m doing an axcel picatinny sight and a limb driven rest on recommendation from thus channel.
How much for that sight? $400 ?
I noticed that pop or thump on my RX5, haven’t added any stabilizers yet, will they take some of that pop/thump be reduced?
I'm new to Archery and I wondering should buy dedicated target arrows or just use my hunting arrows and put a feild tip in? (Im using easton FMJ btw)
If you switch back and forth with different arrows you’ll have to adjust your sights which can take a while. I would just use the same and put field tips in.
GREAT review as always!!!! I am curious about what kind of speeds at 80%let off?
How does this compare to the rx1 turbo. I have a 27.5” draw and used a number two cam on that and it was really stiff.
They’re actually 5lbs out of the box. Confirmed by other YT reviews. Weighed it at our local shop too. Hoyts lying about the weight but that’s nothing new. The Ventum will be a better seller
What were the rx4s out of the box?
@@mattgee1087 can’t recall to be honest. Depends on which model but I know they weren’t the advertised weight which was I think around 3.9 -4.0. They were at least .5 more and just as heavy as the aluminum bows. They all seem to fudge their weight numbers
Finally an unbiased review of a 2021 Hoyt! Really looking forward to your take on the Ventum 33... As far as performance is concerned I have a bit of a trick question: I am one of those individuals with a 28.5" draw. Does this mean I would get better performance out of the Ventum 33 @ 28.5 than the Ventum 30 because they will be at the upper respectively lower end of their mods?
I'm exactly in the same position :).
If it follows typical Hoyt fashion, yes you’ll be best served by the upper end.
@@ashleysmith4191 I guess I’ll just have to see how it compares to my Vertix then to decide whether it’s worth making the switch back to Hoyt for me. Would really like to buy a new bow this year. Past two years just never seemed like an upgrade to me...
@@Umslopogas666 I went from a vertix to a v3 27. I found it to be an upgrade, even if it’s just a slight upgrade.
Man according to you face you just got from the bed,means you came earlier to the shop to record this,before first customers right?if this is the case,that's awesome how much effort and love you put into this
Hello there guys!!
Very thorough review as usual...
My only objection is that although you praise the smooth hump-free draw-cycle, the way you draw the bow is not the optimal.
In order to get the full advantage of the smoother feeling, you have to have a more linear draw.
Drawing the bow at first toward your chest and then bringing it to your anchor point costs you time and doesn't make sence.
Lowering the bow's pountage to the point that you could spread it so your sight is aiming at the target and your draw hand reaches your anchor point will give you more time to aim, feel your shot better and fatigue less...
That's what I do...
Trent has a shoulder impingement from wrestling in high school so he can't draw with a raised elbow. He'll still put shoot most people I know.
Shot the RX-5 yesterday, love the bow besides the weight. Just cant bring myself to buy a carbon bow that weighs/costs more than most alum bows. we weighted the bow with just a whisker biscuit on it. 5.2 Lbs. Hoyts advertised weights are the bow without anything rubber on it.
My biggest issue is not so much the weight, carbon has a lot of advantages other than just the weight(not so much with this bow vs other carbon bows)...but my biggest issue is the price for a bow with a riser made in good ol communist China....REFUSE to do it. Maybe if it were Japan or Germany...or another country that is known for actual high quality...but Fk China.
Thanks!!!!
Take out the plastic label on the opposite side of the sight mounting holes on the riser and you will find a u-bolt for the picatinny mount. "According to Lancaster video".
Talked to rep at Axcel, and you CAN use existing sights, a d just get the adapter...you have to let them know exactly which model you have, because they have different adapters for diff sights.
It's worth pointing out, though I know you didn't mention it specifically in this video but did in the Ventum review about Hoyt going back to the Xact grip and while it's sort of true there is a difference in the dimensions of the grip itself. I say this because an older XACT grip dating back to the RX-1 does not fit. It wants to fit but just barely won't go on. When comparing them side by side the new grip has a harsher lower curve and has less material on the upper portion where it slides under the shelf.
maybe this picatelli thing is better, then you no longer need a sidebar + stabilizer on the other side of the bow to correct the counterweight of your visor. So again lighter in the hand.
But would that RX 5 also be good to shoot at a target? Because a shorter arc is faster, but not forgiving. So a small mistake means fewer points on your score.
And what I don't like is that you always have to have a bow press to change the roundels to shoot a perfect bullet hole. Then the Bowtech Reckoning is better in that area with the dreadlock system. No more bowpress required.
Ventum I hope is next for a review 🏹👍🏾
So the cams are binary like what Obsession and Expedition been running with draw stops that stop on limbs for a solid backwall?
There aren't any limb stops on the Hoyts, buts its still really solid
Glad to see hoyt doing something different they have been more of the same to me since 2014 might try the aluminum version out
Yes if u have a axcel sight. Their making a system where u can remove the dove tail off the sight and replace it with the picatiny rail system.. for all their sights.
I'm glad Hoyt went to a different cam system I mentioned many times for the past few years hoping it will minimize cam lean from the past models.
Binary systems do not reduce cam lean. As a design probably tent to have more cam lean to other systems if your draw style causes even a little torgue. This is the reason why elite and bowtech have applied tuning systems to their bows.
Anyway having or not having a feature designed in your bow to cure the cam lean is not so important because the bow is going to shoot well. Most of the time cam lean in binary cams is minimal and is corrected when the bow is drawn.
If the cam lean through is clearly visible and the angle
of the cam leans a lot toward your cable rollers then you have to reduce the pressure at that
spot.
Hope I've helped you a little....
@@stavroskandianopoulos1755 I'm aware with cam designs and induced horizontal nock travel caused by the roller guard I would think there would be some kind of inner yoke system to reduce cam lean but Mathews has that patent.
My opinion is that all things equal (as soon as it's a quality bow overall) binary cam system bows without any kind of yokes are the epitome of bow-cam
design because of the simplicity of function, reliability, ease of string replacement (or even self making)
efficiency and feel,
(as long as you are not overbowed).
Mathews are too complicated machines for me to
tinker with and although I aproove hoyt's new binary direction (and a three track especially) I'll miss the hoyt's I loved to hate.
@@stavroskandianopoulos1755 the new Mathews are super easy being a center pull design I replaced strings and cables already minus the yoke cables I will change them on the next string replacement they get very little wear I twist the string to get the ATA spot on and control cables equal in the cam timing windows the geometry of the cams will hit the draw stops even with the arrow centered on the burger hole and a level arrow to shoot perfect bullet holes in paper I really didn't need the optional drawboard for my Lastchance bow press honesty.
sweet bow line up from Hoyt shot it today along with the ventum, they stepped there game up for sure. On a side note what stabilizer is he running here?
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I just don't understand how the carbon can be heavier/the same weight as an aluminum bow. I really wanted to buy this until I saw the the weight. When a Matthews weighs lighter and is cheaper I honestly don't know why I would choose this even over the rx4
My buddy bought one recently and we shot the Rx4 and RX5s after the Ventums.... Huge difference to us anyway. Im shocked at that weight of 4.4 because it feels WAY lighter. Try them, you'll see. My next bow will be the RX5 after seeing my buddy's.
Axcel is the only one that makes the picanty rail system not fuse!!! Nice bow!!!
Looks like Hoyt is trying to get back in the game. It’s about time........
Trying? Hoyt and PSE are at the top of the game right now.
@@Thisshitcrazybruh Hoyt hasn’t changed anything in like 4 years. A carbon bow should be light and it’s just as heavy or more than an aluminum bow. Like he said in the video “ Hoyt has exhausted these cams and there’s nothing else they can do with them” lol oh, they put a stabilizer on the limb pocket 😱 better call NASA and make sure they didn’t patent that 1st 😂 I used to shoot Hoyt and it’s a decent bow. Loud but decent. Definitely not worth its price though.
With that wheight and fuddling shimming stuff - nope this is not at the top end 😂
So, you're paying $500 more so your hand doesn't get cold as quickly? Is that what I am hearing?
Just shoot the thing. You’ll change your mind.
@@Thisshitcrazybruh I will, but I am sure I will stick with my Revolt. Never shot a smoother and quieter bow in my life.
I just shot this bow.....amazing! Best bow ever!
Rx5 ultra has the better ATA and brace can be used as a crossover.
Or you have a 31.5 inch draw length :/
Going to do any videos on Elite Enkore or Remedy? I think they killed it this year, great specs on both bows!
I don't think the bow rack sells elite so he probably wouldn't do a review
Shoutout to Trent Stoops. A damn good tech!!!
No doubt, he set my v3 up when they 1st got em in!
The advantages of a binary cam over a cam 1/2 is the binary actually has an effective valley. The binary is smoother drawing, better nock travel, easier tuning, more adjustability in the valley from short to long and unlike the cam 1/2, adjusting the valley doesn't effect the nock travel. The binary has better tune-ability thru all the draw length adjustments. The biggest mistake Hoyt made with going to a binary is that should have done it several years ago. By design, a cam 1/2 is a single cam. When you get into the upper end of the performance scale, the cam 1/2 draw cycle starts to get noticeably harsher that the binary cam at the same speeds. Years back, the single cam bow ruled the market but there came a day when the performance was not as good as the cam 1/2 and binary and the single cam quickly died. Now the performance of the cam 1/2 is following that same path, It will soon die. The binary is the better cam design for shoot-ability and tune-ability and is smoother with a better valley.
How is the string angle I have the rx1 and I was wondering the the string angle is with a shorter axle to axle.
Pretty much the same. Theyre pretty much the same ata
Those speeds aren't bad. Faster than the twin turbo. Around the same as rx4 turbo, with the new cam. Interesting.
What stabilizer is that?
How does it compare to the v3 for draw and wall?
How does in compare to the v3 in your opinion
Great review, subbed
Am I the only one who thinks it’s a complete waste to buy a heavy carbon bow, they are much louder than aluminum bows
When will you be doing the longer versions of each bow specs and reviews I am a long draw guy thanks
Does Bow Rack have Ventum 33 in 80 lb?
Are u goin to do the ventum 33?
How do I get one of those green and tan Hoyt hats in the background!
What arrow do you shoot for the 352 grain?
Yeah, this
Look like gold tip hunter
For 1600$ it better be smooth and have a solid backwall
Maybe the RX4 will drop now?
Can you make a comparison with the V3s please?
Why dont you do a slow motion video of the rx4 and rx5 going off. Then we could see how the bows react during and after shot ?!?!
Stop yelling...
I feel like I've heard the whole history of hoyt
Just saw that sight and base they say you can buy the base axcel sights
Where's the RX5 Ultra review?
No rx5 ultra review???
Mine goes from 25”-30” so what are you talking about
There are two different modules. One goes from 25-27. The other from 27.5- 30. Is that what you are referring to?
Waiting for a speed test of the rx5 ultra🤔🤔
What’s the price on them
$1,600 😬
Soooo it's 600 dollars more to get less features, heavier than a carbon bow should be just so your hand is warm and just catching up to other bows with a new cam system after beating the other one to death? Never understand a Hoyt
Ive shot hoyt since 98
You have to shimm the cams to adjust your tear when testing paper I love hoyt but it heavy an the came is a bowtec design an the have a copy patent lawsuit on their hands
Not sure about Hoyt, but I know BowTech is no stranger to law suits haha...paid Mathews over 10mil a couple years ago
The Bow Rack in Eugene Oregon ?
That's us! Technically Springfield OR
@@InsideOutPrecision Bunch of great guys from your shop.
Please review the Ultra!!!
Pickatelli.... lol
Dude I was about say the same thing😂
Lol not a gun guy.
Why do people pay that much for a bow when you can get better speeds for WAY less money?
Cause there's more to a bow than speed
Yhea but hoyt give this not to you 😂 you become a slowlyer heawyer shimming bow for more than 50 prozent money . 🙃
Weights the same as everyone else's and their IBO speed is only 2 fps slower, so what was ur arguement again? Gunna guess ur mathews just from the mindless complaining, the feminists of the archery world.
@@sheldonhall5711 no 🤷🏻♂️ it weights 5lbs out of the box and costs way more than others. But for fanboys it dosent mather what weight it is 😂 i shot booth - have an Carbon defiant turbo and an mathews . Booth have good things , booth have baad things but in fakt - a Carbon bow that weigh is even or maybe heavyer than alubows and costs so much more 🤦🏻♂️
@@ochi5.56 I agree, they all have strengths and weaknesses, just depends what u value more. I was at the bow shop last night testing bows and I ordered an 80lb rx5. I couldn't tell the difference in weight, it shoots like a dream, it'll be warm to the touch, and I can get it in 80lbs to make up a little bit of speed, from my shorter draw length. I just dont think budget is a reason to denounce a bow. Is the warm to touch worth the extra 500 bucks? Thats to every individual, I've never owned a carbon bow, guess I'll find out
18:27, Gesundheit! haha
They do make a universal bracket for
sights
Check out tru ball ata video on youtube
Hoyt built a Matthews
Mmm much closer to a PSE than a Mathews...
Rad
PicaTELLY hahaha wow
Wow, a carbon bow that costs 700.00 more than the aluminum version and weighs the exact same at the same specs?! Haha hoyts logic makes as much sense as any of these changing corona virus mandates and statistics. Par for the 2020 course Hoyt!
Picatinny
Does it come with a 2nd Mormon wife? $1500 🤯 lol
It’s damper, not dampener.
Gonna have to disagree on that one. It doesn't make the string more damp. It dampENS the vibrations.
Too much talking Spike shoot the bow
That draw needs some work lol
Trent has a shoulder injury from wrestling in high school and can't draw with a high elbow