Wacom Cintiq Pro 27 Review
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This is Wacom's new flagship pen display. They have thrown everything they could think of into the new Cintiq Pro. It comes at a pretty big price, is it worth it?
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can't wait to get it in 2037
Same
Just get a samaung tab
At that time there'll be 50 inch tablets
Lol😂
@@NubAnSkrub Samsung Tab S7FE! So worth the money.
The problem with the price isn't wacom charging for a raft of shiny features, it's how much they're charging for them. A 27" gaming monitor with 99% Adobe RGB gamut zip zop zooie and 120 hz will run you $400 at the very high end these days. The wacom pen/touch features (which comes included with the bigger Samsung phones and tablets) doesn't feel like it justifies a 1000% price hike. I think a lot of people saw this price and are waiting for a Huion or XPPen or Xenselabs or someone to roll up with a feature matching product that will cost literally half of this if not less.
What model is that?
Is it expensive, absolutely. But I think some of the higher cost is more easily justified. Extra stuff, build quality, those features you mentioned in one device, features not in the devices you mentioned, support, etc. Also the Apple Tax
@@RippahRooJizah Sure. I'm not expecting Wacom to kick something like this out the door for $400, or even $1000. I'm just suggesting they could probably charge half of what they are for this, still turn a healthy profit, put it in the hands of exponentially more creators, and also gut all of their up and coming competitors all at once. But no, Wacom's going to stick to the ultra premium route, which leaves a considerable vacuum for their competition to fill as they refine their products.
@@DaveBarrack Probably not half if you want a "healthy" profit, but I get you.
That said, some competition is good. Keeps one from getting too complacent.
As an aside, I do remember, years ago, I got a UGEE 2150, a chonker of a pen display, but one I did like... I usually could bear having that thing on my lap, haha. But it seems they had, at some point, dropped support for it as they, last I saw, haven't updated the drivers for a while and I couldn't find any listings for it on their site.
This is the main reason I threw "support" in there. It also helps that, unlike the 2150, if I need a new pen I can just order one off of amazon and not go on ebay and order one from China.
Wacom will learn if their customers jump ship...
The most impressive thing about this 27" is that the overall dimension is actually smaller than the 24". I hope they will release a new 24" and make the bezel smaller and a tougher kick stand.
Just get the huion kamvas 24 4k , same thing! and the bezel is smaller, and the fan it's not noisy
@@jessicaaquino17Great bang for buck, but not quiiite the same thing unfortunately :v
Hey Brad! Back here at the bottom of the comment section. If you want to save some time on line drawing buildings there is an option in blender called freestyle that you can use to render lines over sharp edges. To get just the black and white rendering be sure to assign a white material with a white emissions shader. For faster results I would suggest using eevee as the render engine since the render will be effectively shadless.
the editing is just getting better!!!
and i love that!
It's not for me nor or the average person, but it's cool to see something this advanced for the art industry/professionals. (Since they're the ones that will make the most use of all the color profiles and specs etc)
Usually, yeah, it's easy to complain about the price especially if it's meant for the general audience (I'm looking at you Cintiq 22 non-Pro) but this is definitely not one of them. This model have a specific target audience and most of us are definitely not one of them: that's my main takeaway from this. Would be cool if this pushes forward to more 27-inch at different price points eventually though, Wacom or not.
Edit: Okay, now that I have seen the whole video, the lack of a built-in kickstand is definitely a bad idea especially for a 500$ stand that's sold separately, oof.
😏If you purchased any Pro Wacom before; you already the 27” pro is controversial.
@@Edinburgh1000 Yeah, the main thing I was mentioning is that some people were complaining for the wrong reasons (as if...this was a budget/mass audience product lol) but the concerns you address is completely justifiable. Of course there's no such thing as a perfect drawing tool but I agree that of all things, for the price, its still odd that they haven't fully worked out on the fans and touchscreen despite willing to go all out on the specs :/
Wtf why you commenting before watching the video? Lul
@@piusdoe8984 Tell that to most of the oldest and "first comment" crowd lol. You must be new to TH-cam.
@@Kogami fans are necessary for that thing. temperature is a big deal when using a display and it changes how color is displayed depending on the temperature of the display so it's not really a tradeoff but a necessity its not the most typical thing but i've seen desktop monitors with fans. it might be a problem for some but lets be real how many people is out there that doesnt use a head set or in-ear while drawing or using their pc? it might be a problem for content creators but the vents are at the bottom so it shouldn't be a real problem
One element you might be missing was the fact that it was really built for harmony. Which as an animation major I’m actually really excited for. Although we’ll see if it fits in my budget
I'm curious, how was it built for Harmony? I'm getting back in animation and this might just be what i was looking for! Thanks in advance.
GREAT, thorough review! Thank for taking the time - and, wow, solid content in both of your channels! 🇺🇸
Since starting digital art I feel bigger is not always better, however I really would love to get my hand on this. Thanks for your review, this is going straight to top of wishlist :)
Yeah i think a 22inch monitor its the sweet spot.
I love that customisable pen. To compensate for the lack of dedicated eraser, they ought to include a separate eraser tool
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lol, i would buy that ironically as a novelty.
Honesty I’m so sad about the lack of eraser. Every time I flip the pen around and start erasing I feel so cool 😭
No rotation though.
The gimmicky eraser was always silly and never used it. By the time you flip the pen around and reorient you could have already just pressed E on the keyboard. Good riddance.
I'm glad eraser's gone. A third button on the stylus is far more useful to me.
Oh man, this thing is tempting. I am currently using the the Cintiq Pro 32 but this thing looks very nice.
Love the idea of those grips on the back! I will typically be holding the display with one hand while I draw with the other so that could be cool for shortcuts. Also… massive!
You'll need a gigaarm to do that
It looks HELLA nice! But I wish manufactures would focus on making better pro tablets in the 14-18" range. I would loooove this in a 16" model.
Same! 16 inch is the perfect size and doesn’t take up an absurd amount of size on my desk lol
Well, they usually start with the flagship size and work their way back eventually, so I'd expect it in the future
There is a wacom pro 16” model, refreshed last year.
@@MatteoCeccarini Yeah, but that's Windows. lmao I had the original MSP 13 and I hated it because I detest Windows.
@@rivenharlow you are right! I thought you were talking about pen tablets to connect to a computer! ;)
I really wish they had all the buttons on one side instead of the weird pistol grips on each side. You end up only having half the buttons available to you (because one hand always has a pen in hand!). It would have been better if you could just rotate the screen so you can have it left or right handed.
Also, I heard there's going to be a firmware update to allow older Pro cintiq's to use the new pro pen 3.
I own a design business so its a no-brainer that I can write off. I use the best thing out there and so I don't love how expensive it is but also this is what I spend the majority of my life doing so it makes sense for me. I never found a solution for the color accuracy issues of the previous 27" Cintiq. The color calibrator that came with it did not work. It sounds like this one has figured out that problem.
Thanks for the review!
I just want a 22-24” Regular Cintiq 1440p tablet. Still rocking my 22HD Touch, even though I barely use the touch feature, but this bulk is starting to get to me. I also want to try their newer pens. I know Huion has good 1440p options but I really wish they had a slim / 3D pen like Wacom does.
For the unwanted touch, I use a glove with a thicker side. Plus the cushiony side makes for comfier drawing sessions.
I think the way for non-graphic/fashion industry professionals to view this tablet is sorta like those concept cars that manufacturers create, all the bells and whistles in them slowly trickle down into the ordinary Joe 'consumer' version. So, for us, this is like a glimpse into the near future! :)
Fantastic as always, I enjoy your vision on things (I mean you just reflect a tool and the impact on your workflow)
For now I will stick to my 24" pro's for a while as it still get's (my) the job done, and even looked at a bigger (32") version, but what I love is the refresh and the size of the 27" to be equal to the 24". The thing that is holding me back is the price and the kit (how it comes) read total added value (for me). Touch, as it has never have been proved for me to be good (on mac) I got used to used to the two express-key remotes....
The price is nowhere near representative of what this costs to make.
A pen display is barely an added cost over a.... display. The only real difference is the electrostatic matrix (that's like 2 grids with magnetic sensors) for the input and that's about it, the rest is software. This is actually piss easy barebone technology that costs almost nothing to implement in a screen.
All this great value (color correction, HDR, 4k blah blah blah) on a 27" display would amount to maybe 1k. The tablet is more than 3.5 times that.
Wacom is coasting on their brand and launching their price into LEO.
If they were pricing this product honestly this would be 1700 bucks. And they would make 600-700$ easy on it.
Thank you, that was both really entertaining and informative!
Fantastic review, Brad. Thank you. The weird choice to get rid of the remote and leave us practically with only 4 shortcut keys is a deal killer for me, unfortunately. I was stoked to buy one until I learned that.
I had a Dell 27 inch Canvas once - based on a Wacom 27 inch. Beautiful screen to draw on and although it wasn't 4K or 8K - it was still an amazing experience. Sadly, I had to sell it as I didn't have dedicated studio space big enough to fit and my family needs were more important at the time.
It's not the price that will get you - it's lack of space you have in your home but the way Wacom has shrunk the bezels to make it similar size to a 24" screen is really promising. I could look at one of these again....
Brad I wish you would have recorded the fan noise to give us an idea how loud that fan is. Overall good review thanks!
Hope he'll do that in future vids
It's quite loud IME. It's a bit louder than the pro 24, slightly lower in pitch and more constant but on pretty much all the time. I'd say it's similar to a laptop working quite hard. You probably wouldn't notice it in a busy office but it's very annoying / tiring when you are 12" from it in a reasonably quiet room (like many of us WFH these days).
Nice review as always Brad. I was curious about the pen tip retraction. Has wacom reduced or improved this any in the past several years. One of my main gripes with almost every single pen display stylus is the pen tip's retraction length feels incredibly large. After using an ipad almost every day for years now, it's hard to get excited about stylus pens and their clicky tips. What's your experience with these?
Thanks for this, Brad.
An awesome review 💛
The solution to the shoelace effect is to turn off smoothing in the brush options. You have to uncheck it in the brush settings. Setting it to zero will not work.
Thanks for the review! I guess we all needed to be brought down to earth after seeing all the insane previews for this thing. I hope you get your Surface Pro 9 review out sooner than later
I know it just got revealed, I'm just saying best of luck to you ;)
Fan noise is my biggest issue with cintiq vs iPad. Very sad they didn't improve that. I'll wait to upgrade until they match the iPad quality.
I was ready to pull the trigger on this. I already own a Cintiq Pro 24 and opted out of buying the 32 due to its size. I’d already owned a 27 QHD and found that to be perfect for my use case, but sadly they didn’t launch a newer 27” version and I went with the 24 instead.
I was excited and watched all of the prerelease reveals, and in one of those I saw this was mounted to a Wacom Flex Arm. I already own the Flex Arm and it appeared the 27 just used a different adapter and would plug right into my current Flex Arm. Unfortunately I’ve seen almost nothing about this adapter or anywhere to buy an equivalent adapter that would work with the Pro 27. It’s a shame because I was so ready to pull the trigger, but due to my setup the Flex Arm is mandatory. Granted it will work with any Ergotron style arm, but I already own several of those and even the HX doesn’t come close to the usability and seemingly refined functionality of the Flex Arm. I don’t want to give up those features.
So despite being pumped about this release and completely ready to buy, Wacom being Wacom hasn’t mentioned this adapter or made it clear if it will ever get released.
As a professional artist and designer that uses these devices for a living, the price doesn’t bother me. These are the tools I use to generate my income. I understand why this is frustrating for hobbyists and part time artists that can’t justify the cost. But for professionals, much like the cost of a high-end MacBook Pro, the price isn’t really a factor. But, and this is a big but, I take issue with Wacom’s seeming inability to communicate with their customers and provide solutions for the very basic needs of those customers. A missing stand, fine. Vesa mount options, great. Release a video of a flex arm adapter that is going to be the solution thousands of current Pro 24 and 32 users are going to want to use, but fail to launch it alongside the tablet or even release any info on it, not great.
So here I am, ready to drop the $3500 on this product but not being able to justify it. Not because of the cost but due to usability.
A good tool can't be measured in money.
Shame most pendisplays have odd driver problems
TH-cam seems not to be allowing me to respond, but maybe if I keep it short?
There is indeed an adapter for the flex arm. It’s called the Wacom Flex Arm Adapter. I’d help you find it, but if I get too specific, my comment may be removed again.
@@CherubCow That's great news. I tried to look one up and couldn't find it, but with the actual device name I should be able to get ahold of it. Thanks, mate!
I've had a 27qhd for 7.5 years now on an Ergotron LX HD arm, so I'm hoping the 27 pro can use the same arm if I ever upgrade. Does anyone know if the express remote can still be used with the 27 pro? Surely it can, as I've used the express remote with my laptop as a bluetooth controller for keyboard shortcuts?
The main upgrade I'm curious about is the perceived sharpness in resolution. Does it look that much crisper than the 27qhd or does the matte finish make that a moot point?
I'm also hoping parallax is a little better than the 27qhd. Can someone weigh in on that?
@@sterlingmorris2701 The remote still works and I'm guessing that's how a lot of folks are going to use it as I find the back buttons unusable for the way I work.
Sharpness is much improved; the matte screen still has some slight shimmering, but you can definitely see the improvement in resolution between the two. One thing to keep in mind is that color accuracy/color space coverage has also improved greatly, which could be contributing to the perception that the Pro 27 has a far superior screen.
The parallax is dramatically improved, as this uses a laminated display like the Pro 24 and Pro 32. It's not quite "iPad Pro" level, but nearly imperceptible. Compared to the older displays (my 22HD and your 27QHD) it is night-and-day.
Thank you for the excellent and thorough review Brad. Regarding the poor touch performance on the Mac, was your Apple running on older Intel CPU or were you running the latest Apple silicon Macs (M1, M2, etc)?
Those feature in 20-24" one and I'm sold
Brad, great video about Cintiq Pro 27.
I am bit late to this vid but when you mentioned latency, have you tried enabling low latency mode in nvidia control panel?
I am curious if it will make any difference. Maybe that is idea for short video to make comparison before and after low latency mode and vs tablet usage
Watching the way you interact with the screen real estate (4:58) is EXACTLY why I stick with the iPad. Especially when you had to draw that longer roof line then zoomed out to continue to draw from the wrist and not the arm/elbow. I had a 21UX back in the day and noticed the wear mark was only about a 6" diameter right in the center of the screen.
I’m all fairness, since it was a straight line. He could have just used shift to make a straight line as opposed to actually drawing it out. Maybe he actually wanted somewhat wavy lines to make it look natural.
The screen real estate is priceless. You don't need to draw on the entire screen for it to be useful. Reference images and plenty of multitasking can be done with that. I have the 32 and I'm never going back.
Great review.
Man, your English is so easy to understand. Tks for that.
Ahhh the display looks so beautiful and the resolution with the 120hz just match so much!!!
Thanks for the review. Just to let you know, since 46-2 driver (Mac), support for higher-end Macs with at least two external, hi-res displays fail to work with the Cintiq (or other Intuos tablets). The display works BUT pen gets lost on one of the other displays (and in one configuration on the left edge of one of the displays). You may only have one display with a Cintiq but for those of us with multiple displays, this is a real problem. Wacom is working on it (I think) but this may force me to Craigslist my Cintiqs.
Thanks!
This is almost perfect, although yeah, the price is expensive, but it's for professional... While the stand is not included, it's probably a good thing as some might prefer ergo arm instead. Wish they gone further with the display, such as having mini LED at least.
Thanks for the review!
I’m planning on purchasing this as my first personal Drawing tablet combine with the new RTX 4090. I’ve used Pen displays as well as generic pads but as a gamer and someone who wants to animate, draw, and do 3D design, the 4K 120hz really sold me. Not only that but the thinner bezels are something I’ve always been drawn to on screens. I’m definitely getting this. It’s something you would not need to replace pretty much at all.
I seen someone reply and delete their comment on me pairing this with a 4090. I’m well aware that a 4090 is overkill for drawing SPECIFICALLY. I mentioned I’m a gamer who intends to play every title at no minimum than 4K which the graphics card is for, as well as doing high level animation and 3D modeling. The display also has an HDMI 2.1 which is perfect for my PS5 . So no, I’m not falling for the “hype”.
@@reallyreallyreallyreally I'm fully aware of such things but do find the complete spec sheet rather convenient for my overall use case. Though 120hz is fine, I also play Esports titles quite often so this display alone simply won't do. Currently waiting for a 4k 240hz monitor that isn't curved. Hopefully in December or early 2023 at least.
I should point out that I would be using a double monitor setup if I might have not made it super clear.
Can you give an update when you buy it? I'm thinking of getting one too as I'm used to drawing on 13 and 14 inch screens...
You and I are the same Rainey and I can’t even draw
If the pen is not backward compatible. I speculate that a new Intuos Pro series is coming.
Dude ipad 2022 line is hereeeeee
We need reviews and compilations!!!!!!
Amazing review - and this is the upgrade I’ve been waiting for! (Still rocking the 27QHD) - btw, I wanted to reach out to you but it looks like you misspelled your link (you wrote shool instead of school in the URL). Another huge thank you Brad - I couldn’t cope without you :)
You should get the stand and do another follow up review haha. I agree it really needs the stand, that didn't look like an everyday useable experience for me.
I realy wish there was some place where you could test all these different systems before commiting to one. Atm as a student I'm drawing on a HP envy with a glossy screen and I am NOT liking it but it gets me trought product design school...
0:57 “and this fabric is… a cape?!” 😂😂
Just snagged a XP-Pen Artist 24 Pro few days ago for $645 with mfg 1 yr an additional ext 2yrs warranty. Too good of a deal to past up. Maybe down the line as I progress I can say/justify for the cost for a Wacom 24 pro. What really sold me too was Xpens' support service vs Wacoms' support based on what I have read currently. 😎🍻✌🏽
Wacom let me try this and I had a blast. But it's too big for me coming from a Cintiq 16 user. I love the 3 buttons and the customization of the new pen. I'm waiting for them to release 24".
I tried and it is fabulous.
From my pov, the only exciting thing i see about this new version is the new stand.
Also, if they (really this time!) totally got rid of parallax on the big model, this is really cool.
Personalised Pen is also a really smart move.
Except from that, i saw a review mentioning really visible lighbleed. Screen seems also to contain a lot of haze because of hetched glass from Wacom. I really can't stand that anymore since having an Ipad pro. Touch seems cool this time around, but the softwares on Windows are just not optimized for that use. (Including Interface)
For that price, i am totally not hyped. ^^;
Thank you for the cool review!
Brad, I think you did not cover the grip button more, I was wondering if it is practical? How do u plan to use it?
VERY IMPRESSIVE . . . . . I m going to buy it for creative sketches & concept creation. . . 👌👌👌
You should give Rebelle 5 from Escape Motions a go. It has very little lag and isn't based on ancient code like Photoshop or Clip Studio. It also has a ton of innovative features that makes it stand out. I commented this on another video earlier, but it just keeps getting deleted, so one last try... I really believe they deserve the support, and the software is now on sale for ten bucks.
Yea i saw that 19 dollar actually, but it says non commercial use, what that supposed to mean?
The NewLine Flex Monitor 27" is also an interesting alternative 🤔
I am not an artist, but I have been creating sooo many flyers and videos for my business now I tell people I'm in marketing, lol. I watched this at least 4 times and some other reviews. I just ordered this thing, I hope its the bomb. It seems to be the best after watching all the reviews. I hope it will save me some time making flyers and editing videos. I wonder what camera you are using? Your video looks better to me than any other on youtube.
that pen looks like a genuine improvement especially if you like the actual much slimmer classic pen
The pressure tapering still presents on new pro pen 3 :D
This thing is kind of like a luxury car or an expensive pair of shoes. You don't necessarily need it because there are more practical alternatives. But for others there's just enough here to justify it as both a luxury buy that also has a lot of very nice quality features. I bought this thing day one and sold my 24 (I had a monitor arm before so didn't need to buy a stand) and I've been enjoying it a lot. I hope to see the new display technology trickle down to Wacom's lower entry products so everybody can experience it.
Really hoping for a wacom trickle down because that price is just not accessible to us artists from the global south 🥲
are you interested in making a video about surface studio 2 plus as a digital artist? or at least your take on it.
Great review. From what xp pen model was the stand though? Does the xp pen 24 pro have the samesize stand as 22r pro?
How is the parallax? This is something that both surface and iPads have nailed for a while now, is this new cintiq anything like its competition in that department now?
Very interesting to see they’ve dropped the remote. Mine (prev cintiq ) stopped working very quickly, crippling my work flow….took a while to get used to keystrokes again. I contacted Wacom. Could I prove purchase. Could I plug my cintiq into a spare computer…. If I didn’t have one find a friend… a whole list of things, no help, and if I didn’t do what they said they wouldn’t help further. Then I stumbled on an internal memo that had been released…. Seems I wasn’t the only one and there could be interference coming from wifi routers. I turned mine off but it still didn’t fix it. I do wonder if the remote for the company was more hassle than it was worth in terms of complaints and I’m glad buttons are back. The less there is to go wrong, the better.
Can you please do a tutorial on how to animate characters designed in illustrator?!
I hope Wacom makes Intuos Pros that use the Pro Pen 3.
say wathever you want, 3,849.99 € it is not justified for the specs of the product, period.
Still using my intuos 4.. the active area is now polished to a mirror shine and you can clearly see where the H/S/B sliders are on my screen xD
i want one. i don't need one, and i can't afford one, but i want one. I do feel like the lack of giant borders around the screen kind of make it look like much cheaper alternatives. Still, it's lovely.
Almost perfect, just needed a better display (mini LED, OLED, something with a decent contrast ratio). Thank you for reviewing!
you know... for the price/demographic, you'd think they would've went with such a display.
Just thought I would drop a note that goes grossly under-sung about the most current Cintiq Pros; Most people don't know you can connect two machines (one through USBC and the other through HDMI/DP) and toggle between them through the OSD "Input Source" I use it connected on a standard $150 Ergotron arm, to a M1 Mac Studio Max and an off the hook Windows system for 3d and color work. The hardware LUTs and color capabilities makes video editing and post a dream as well.
The 24" cintiq numerous users reported that the touch feature disable function was not working. It was one aspect that stopped me from buying it.
😏Every Vet Artist knows if they need a Wacom or not: The Wacom 27” seems like a great home monitor it’s not portable; or the best choice if you are a hobbyist. Real Artist will find a way to make a [edit:] Mona Lisa with finger paint.
It would be great if Wacom would come out with a new version of the Cintiq pro 32 or make it bigger like 37-inch but still the same size as the 32-inch
Funny thing is "fan noise" has been an issue with every Cintiq product I have ever owned or used. My trusty old 24HD is probably the worst of them, but all of them have made an annoying sound once powered on.. and I think the later "Touch" model had a fan control option, due to the noise issue, esp in quiet environments
I really wish Wacom would find a better supplier for their internal fans... most of them have a whine or produce an inconsistent & hollow, plastic-y sound that I don't think I've ever had to deal with one any other devices.
Waiting for Xp Pen to launch a new generation of 24" pro displays with a 16k pressure sensitive pen. The 14" 2d Gen model blew me away. The pen is fantastic!
its time for huion and xp pen to make alternative of this with lot cheaper price and smaller display
Brad, the new ipad 10th gen is here
Thanks Brad for the review, I bought this (6 months ago) and I'm still not used to the big screen, it's nice but I feel like I'm lost in a big ocean when drawing on it>< my last tablet was Huion kamvas pro 20 and I loved it so much (the size was perfect for me), but the screen got scratchy and the pen was not responsive anymore so i decided to go for wacom cintiq... I bought this pro 27 through financing with my bank, maybe its not always bigger screen better... I hope I can get used to it soon (>x
Hello Brad , what's the name/spec of the stand you use in this review ?
I hope you one day review the BigMe inknote color . It is like an ereader but with color.
I got a cintique pro 16 last year around this time and I love it but it is so small. I did just get a promotion so about $1300 a month extra after taxes ...... I was planning on buying two of the big sets of copic. But an extra few months of saving and I could have that beauty. Only thing is I work from home and that is so big it would have to take the spot of one of my 3 monitors for work, I wonder if it would be an issue if I ran it all day for work and then ran it during all my free time hours after work? It needing a fan means it probably isn't meant to be ran 16 hours a day every day. Also removing the eraser from the pen is a bit upsetting, it's my favorite feature
Ugg, I just bought it lol. It was hard to click that button. But I didn't want to have to worry about wobbly lines or color accuracy. Both are very frustrating and I've had to deal with before, It seems like I do diagonal slow lines in almost everything I draw so when they're wobbly I just tend not to draw on it. But I need the color actually for my graphic design work, most of its print. I also wanted something bigger than my iPad cuz I'm getting old and that was getting hard to see on some things.
Great review, do you know if they are thinking of releasing a new 16 inch version? Or even 22 Pro?
how cany anyone know that? Not even official distributors know that.
I think this one more effective for 3D model n animation project.
Are there ANY tablet displays that feature pinch-zoom-rotate in Photoshop that work WELL on a Mac? I have the Cintiqu Pro24 from a few years ago but didn't get the touch version because I heard it was pretty bad on a Mac.
Same! I'm hoping that the touch feature is better on the 27(or at least can be fine-tuned via updates).
Now, time's ticking down for either Huion or/and Xp-Pen to release a QHD/4K 120hz screen that's 95% of the features of this tablet. Hoping for that day.
I've just finished getting this set up and had a quick test. I've quite a few gripes with it unfortunately. The lack of built in legs wasn't an issue as I had my Cintiq Pro 24 set up on an Ergotron arm but for the money you're right, those should he expected to be there.
Set up gripes they have cut about 1m off all their cables. Kettle Lead is now 1m instead of 1.8m and then all PC connective cables have gone from 3m to 1.8m. So before I even started I had to go out and buy extenders and other cables to reach for my set up very baffling given the price increase and inclusion of VESA mount they should know we'll still need the cable length! The fan issues...... I actually think it's a couple of DB louder than the Pro 24 fans on low profile. However what I've noticed is they don't seem to ram up and down like the Pro24 so it is easier to block out. Still no idea WHY they insist on fans in it. My Pro24 had to go for RMA because the fan inside started rattling loudly!
As for the Photoshop issue that's an issue been known since the dawn of time. The only fix I've found for it is to use a 3rd party plugin called Lazy Nezumi.
What's ridiculous to me about your experience is that it sounds like the fan's bearings were bad, seriously why are they even needed anymore!?
@Fish Candy Oh yeah 100% the fan bearings are what went. The only reason they put them in there is because people complained on the 27qhd it was warm, when using it (I never had an issue personally).
How are you finding it after 8 months of use?
Agree with your points btw.
Yes, the short cables are especially daft given the popularity of sit / stand desks now.
The fans are really annoying... louder than the pro 24 (IMO) but at least they don't ramp up and down so much. Unfortunately, when I asked, they said there is no patch coming for the Pro 27 to allow lowering of the fan speed.
From what I've read, the fans are in there for two reasons. Yes, to prevent warm screen but also because there's a lot of plastic used in the internal construction which degrades with exposure to heat. Lots of problems already from pro 24 and 32 with this - that's why the legs and the magnetic strips fall off after a couple of years.
@@tested211 Hi there,
So performance wise, so far I can't fault it. Works as it should, colour are good and pen/software are still performing well.
Fans are still there... Which I guess is good in a way, the bearings haven't given out on them yet. As for the fan noise that is also still there but what I have noticed is that due to the lower pitched sound they do become background noise which you just automatically block out. Still, annoying they are there.
Another annoyance I have found with the new pen is that, it's great that it's now modular so standard and slim all in one, but I do often find the back of the pen starts to work loose after a while, so do have to keep tightening it up.
Size and footprint definitely the winning features here along with the new pen holder. Definitely makes it easier to work with.
One thing I will say though is, it will be interesting to see how Xencelabs perform compared to Wacom. Their drivers seem to be solid already along with the displays too around half the cost. BUT - NO FANS! They made the back metal so that acts as a heatsink instead.
@@jmac316 Thanks! Yes, I think they did a great balance of having some bezel but not too big (I had a pro 27 briefly but returned it because of the fan noise, so it's good to hear of your longer term use, thanks) - for me, also, the size and footprint of the pro 27 were just perfect. I'm considering getting another one and trying to live with the fans. I really liked almost everything else about it.
I am weighing up the Xencelabs PD24 too - that looks very well thought out but no pen rotation :(. Strangely the xencelabs 24" would be almost the same size as the pro 27 on the desk due to the thicker bezels.
apart from wacom, what you think would be the other best brand for display pen tablets?
I already own the latest iPad Pro m2 but I don’t know if I should buy this one…never used a Wacom before…do you think is a nice upgrade or the same ?
I just have a question, asking here because it is the newest vid... I am a hobbyist, not a pro, and I am thinking of replacing my one by wacom, thinking of either a tab or a drawing screen, and am debating between the Samsung Galaxy S8+ if a tab, or the XP pen Artist 16 pro, or the wacom cintiq 16 pro, in your opinion, considering I am not a pro, what would be better
500 dollars for the stand ?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is pretty much mandatory
@@kevinloftus4857 ridiculous price
So for me the biggest thing is the fact that it has that extension table and g1/2 mounting.. the most annoying thing is trying to figure out how to use a keyboard while using the pen display this looks like it might actually work and be reasonably comfortable hope it gets adopted by people and other companies.
I finally decided to buy the Cintiq 27 pro vs 24 pro, but the 27 pro out of stock everywhere even in wacom center in my country, and only available by order only, AKA they don't intent to stock it, because probably in here super unpopular, in online shop in here, I only see 1 review someone who buy it, probably not popular at all because of the price
they finally fixed the mile wide bezel!
any pen lag anyone has from using displays in my opinion is from an under powered computer.
my laptop has pen lag, my desktop pc has none.
Does the touch works on everything or only some apps ? Need to be activated by apps ?
Thanks Brad, very nice display so tempting to buy this!
I noticed you seem to spend a lot of time drawing straight lines in PS. Is there a reason you do not use the shift-tap to draw straight lines, I find it much faster and easier? Maybe Wacom asked you to draw them that way?
Did you try the Pro Pen 3 on the 2021 16 Cintiq Pro?
I think he doesn't use shift tap because it's his art style. Linear but organic lines. He enjoys it, i like it too. Brad isn't a super cool artist, but he's a damn good reviewer 👌
@@ketandudhe2754 Agreed, I am thankful for his efforts too.
In Brads video, he commented on the amount of work, to draw over all the 3D geo would be, so I was thinking the Shift Tap, plus a subtle application of the PS glass filter could save some effort? 🙂
I do like how he pointed out alternate stand options, plus possible back pain while using the side grips.
It' good training
I think it's a cool hardware on paper, but I'm not sure the specs are delivering significant quality of life changes for artists. Currently, the 120Hz display seems to be a bit of a disappointment since it didn't really translate to a more 'snappier' drawing experience such as what you'd find on the iPad. I hope Wacom and Adobe/Celsys are able to work together and find solutions for the brush delay. In my opinion, the hardware needs to communicate properly with the software to truly make a complete product.
I had a talk with coworkers and many people on our art team agreed that if this was addressed, the pricing would be far more justified. For now, I think my Cintiq 27QHD can stay with me for a while longer.
Is your 27qhd snappy like the iPad? I'm curious because he mentioned that it's more of a software thing on windows/Mac but it could also be the hardware
@@Jaugarez Definitely nowhere near as snappy as an iPad. It runs on 60Hz with a noticeable latency when drawing.
Not ideal, but at the time I was buying it, it was the largest available model that had enough real estate for 2D/3D software UI.
If the 27 Pro felt more responsive, I think I would've seriously considered purchasing.
Use Light Brush to paint. It's a painting web tool.
Make your own stand, wood or other materials are not hard to come by if you can figure out what the ideal angle is.