My Kamvas pro 19 finally came in and I can say I am incredibly in love with drawing on this display. Its absolutely gorgeous and feels amazing to draw on.
I use PC. One of the main reasons is to be able to use the touch display. I love being able to zoom in and out very easily with the touch screen. @@mikewade99
@@ChromiumCastle I used both. Both are nice. No need to hate on one or the other, just pick a favorite. I use a mac for creative stuff because logic pro exists on there as well and i kinda prefer Final Cut Pro over Adobe Premiere Pro, so for me its kind of a "all in one creative machine", and on my Windows PC are all my games and multimedia apps
@@neothespankplank5839 Blind hate for no reason is bad. Well deserved criticism for shitty business practices and products, be it PC or Mac, is necessary and vital for consumers
which is great because you get plenty of used wacom devices used for cheap and they dont tend to break so you still get plenty of value for your money. which doesnt mean that its nice that there are other products out now.
@@molambird yeah it´s kind of you buy this expensive tool and it can last more of 10 years. An artist that I followed in youtube on 2017 (Raul Treviño) was using Cintiq 12wx which is from 2007. Other youtuber was using the very first Wacom intuos from the 2000s and still working.
Just a tiny correction about color spaces, adobe rgb and dcip3 are wider than rec709, so the rec709 spec exists within their covered ranges, also rec709 is the same gamut as srgb but with a different gamma curve, as long as you manage your color pipeline any of them will work great, just make sure your monitor is calibrated
yeah and Brad is falling for the shite advertisement of wacom garbage were they think 1400$ PLUS is some how worth it lool and FK NO THE PRICE AIN’T WORTH IT BRAD!
Correct and also another correction : from what they said about the color coverage huion screen is better because it covers more of the adobe rgb. And adobe rgb have alot more coverage of green !! Note that to be 100% sure you need to test both with calibration tools, what they said are not correct most of the times !
The fact that huion can get in the ring with cintiq's pro line is pretty extraordinary on its own considering the difference in price; 4k, touch screen, 16k pressure level pens that are more akin to the cintiq style (2 different pens in the box to boot, with the felt nibs as a bonus)... pretty much all the bells and whistles of the cintiq missing only features that studio professionals would need use of One of the artists for DC Comics apparently uses one occasionally for work and likes it, even compared to his Cintiq products
Of all these, I chose huion kamvas 19 and I want to say that I am extremely satisfied with my choice. Everything feels and is premium from the pen to the screen and the quality of the lines I really have nothing to complain about. I even made a cover and traveled with it! I recommend Huion to everyone instead of Wacom. Just one thing if I have to hang on to something, when I close my Macbook pro M1 max laptop it turns on because of the current received from the tablet, a little annoying thing.
hi, i've been using a cintiq 16 HD on my mac for five years now and i enjoyed it without the multi-touch features in the pro range. i think multi touch and a remote control are superfluous functions anyway. these reviews are making me consider a Huion or a XP pen display, since i'm thinking of upsizing, and i think the new cintiqs are insanely overpriced. do you need a screen protector for the Huion like you do for the XP pen? many complain about the need for the screen protector on the XP pen. i need some reassurance before i order the Huion k p 19. do you think i should take this leap of faith?
I'm running my Huion 19 from one cable, I have a Asus Thunderbolt 4 card in my pc and it outputs 100w for charging, as long as the usbc cable is 20ghz or more and can charge it does run from just 1 cable. I just bought 2 x 3m cables from amazon with right angle connectors for £20.. it works fine :) I posted a quick video of mine on the Huion sub on reddit.
Great comparison Brad, always appreciate your videos. But just a little feedback - I think you glossed over the price discrepancy a bit too much in the final summary/recommendation. For two high end drawing tablets which are incredibly similar, the fact that you could buy TWO Huions for less than one Wacom is something significant to mention. Value per dollar the Huion seems like the obvious choice between the two unless you required the colour accuracy/Mac multitouch
I think international customer support and warranty is something that should be considered as well. Rest assured both huion's and wacom's customer support is great, but not sure if Huion has a 2 year warranty like wacom does. Longevity and quality is something to look at as well since if I'm spending this much money, it should work for more than x number of years. :)
I've worked on the Wacom Cintiq Pro 16, but my work paid for it. It was a great tablet, I just don't have anything to compare it to! I'm looking at buying the Huion Kamvas Pro 16 because the features and price are blowing Wacom out of the water. I just want reassurance that Huion is a reliable brand as it's still a decent amount of money to spend.
I’ve got the Wacom Cintiq 16 and the Huion Kamvas 19 Pro, and I can confidently say I much prefer my Huion. Everything feels just right. The new pens are very nice and feel great. I’ve yet to run into any issues with the display
A real shame the Huion touch features don’t work when connected to a Mac. I really hope they plan on addressing that, as that seems like a big segment of people that they could possibly be missing out on.
I just got a Kamvas 19 Pro and I'm not sure how to feel about it. It's impossible to double click. Sometimes it randomly disconnects from my computer. In Clip Studio, there's a weird 3 inch offset from the stylus sometimes and I have to disconnect it to fix it. It just feels quirky and unstable. I've tried a Wacom (non-pro) 16 and it feels about the same as far as the drawing experience goes, though. I'm wondering if XP-Pen would have been the better choice.
Really hoping to see XP-PEN catch up in the monitor resolution/size area because I do like their drivers more than Huion, but I'd happily take both those options at this point for really any artist. Wacom's color profiles seem like a silly expense when you have a matte finish and pen markings... just get a secondary reference monitor with a preview. I also feel like their basic pen has taken a nosedive in quality. At this point something like Xencelabs is far more compelling in the "premium" price bracket. It's also interesting to see multi-touch become so much more of a make or break for people, I attribute that a lot to Procreate and tablets in general but still can't help but worry about terrible palm rejection.
I gave up with waiting for wacom to create 19-20 inch screen with more than fhd but less than 4k res, and just went for an intuos pro at this point lol. My back and neck will thank me at least, after working on cintiq13 for past 10 years. I think it would take huion to send me a tablet for free for me to ever try them again, I've had 3 bad experiences with them, I don't know if I need to get any more.
Brad, would you consider weighting in your reviews the lifespan of these tablets, too? Ive worked with wacom tablets for about 15 years, never had a single one die on me. 3 months ago I started using Huion and Ive been loving as much, if not more, than the wacoms. Only thing I wonder is if the price cut means a shorter lifespan too? (amongst other things ofc)
I can’t speak to the huion tablet lifespan in comparison to Wacom, but I have a huion 13 inch tablet that my mom gifted me in 2020. I love that thing so much! It’s still going strong. I’m choosing to replace it for something with a better larger display but it has served me well these past three or four years
I have a huion kamvas pro 22 from 2017, and I use it almost every day for more than 8h and still works pretty good, a bit slow sometimes but is not really an issue, but I'm thinking of upgrading to the 27 this year, because of the size and the touch.
My Huion display started unglueing itself in one corner after less than a year and the customer service was so horribly bad that I don't think I will ever buy a Huion tablet again.
10:45 I want to buy Huion it but I'm worried about the case, but Exciting news! one hour ago on Huion youtube channel, they have uploaded Tutorial | How to set up Kamvas pro 19 Touch function on macOS
I'm still using my XP-Pen Artist 15.6 Pro which I bought in 2019, and it still works like a charm. And I'm glad they are still selling it, because I would probs buy it again as a replacement, if mine broke. It's price/performance value is unbeatable. Far as I know there's nothing newer with the same size in the same price category (~€300).
Sounds like the Wacom has actual screen etching while the Huion has a matt coating. I like my Huion 13 inch 2.5K and pen but it is nearly as glass-like slick as my iPad Pro.
Hey Brad - would you be able to do some sort of ergonomics/artist setup 'review'? I used pen tablets all my working career so far, but last year got the xppen artist 16 v2 - and whilst I love it, I just can't get comfortable while using it?!! I've tried it at different positions, heights, and I realised that pen tablets whilst having that added learning curve of looking at a screen whilst drawing on a tablet, in some ways are easier to use! For example having your hand covering a lot of the screen is a little annoying (I mostly do 3D) so whilst I love the pen display, I do sometimes wonder if I should go back to a pen tablet!! Anyway, thanks for the great content - I always look forward to your next video!!!
Some people do just fair better with pen tablets, and that's okay. One of the perks of traditional pen tablets is that they have better ergonomics, and just...are better for one's posture. For me, and I think it's down to my particular flavour of neurodivergency, I couldn't get the hand-eye coordination down with traditional pen tablets, so pen displays are easier in that respect.
I'm testing the Kamvas Pro 19 now. Did you find the Huion implementation of touch smokes Wacom? It is a lot smoother and responsive over my Cintiq 24" Pro.
I think the biggest problem with huion is the warranty, I have spent 1k USD on a kamvas 24 4k and unfortunately after a year of using it, it started having a red line on the display which is a bad sign. Now in my country they dont have a repair center and i dont even know what to do with it. And with a bit of research i came to a conlusion that huion devices are just not repairable, so if it breaks its gone.
Rec 709 is just normal srgb, dci p3 and Adobe rgb are bigger color spaces. One of the biggest is rec 2020, and not even the most expensive professional monitor covers 90% of it. So there is not much advantage of Wacom there. I think you are mixing rec 709 with rec 2020, they are not the same
The Problem with Huion is always the really bad color accuracy, even after calibrating them with a calibration device. Sometimes the price just makes the difference, they're cheaper for a reason.
Thanks for this great review. I've been a Wacom user since the late 90s, beginning on their 4X5 Intuos. Yeah, the first one. I'm that old. I've used several different ones over my twenty plus years as a professional artist. My day to day work, I'm currently using a Wacom Cintiq 24HD, which a friend at Wacom has jokingly recently referred to as a dinosaur. But it still does the job, like an old reliable car that gets me where I need to go. I've also got a Wacom Cintiq 16 for my laptop. But at 10 years old, I know the 24HD may go any day. Tech does that. And I've been considering a Huion, having heard they've really upped their game the past few years. This is the kind of video I really appreciate, Brad. Unbiased, honest, and straight up.
How have the parallax and pen tracking accuracy improved since the previous Cintiq Pro? I see many reviews, but none discuss whether there have been any improvements.
i'd love to see the xencelabs in there, I've seen reviews (Brad's included) but i think i'd be very useful to compare it head to head with the ones in the video.
How the Huion 19 and XP-Pen compare to their past Pen Tech? I did a custom test a couple months ago. I tested three non-screen tablets: Wacom Intuos Pro M, Xencelabs Pen Tablet M and Huion Inspired 2. The last one is just the most advanced Pen Tech before this new range of 16k Huion tablets and screens. Tested in Rebelle 7, a software which is very sensitive with pressure and tilt. The best by far is the Xencelabs. Then Wacom, so close that can be considered almost the same. But the Huion one was very lackluster; enough to draw and paint, and sure you will not notice that difference if you don't do a direct comparison like I did. But there's that difference. BTW, it would be nice if you do more comprehensive tilt tests in your review. Maybe for drawing isn't needed, but for painters, the Tilt is a very important feature.
What about latency? I'm assuming you didn't mention it because they're pretty much all excellent and comparable? If so, that's great for Huion and I will strongly consider going with them whenever I get a new tablet.
They all seem nice, great comparison. I'm happy with the ones I've got, they're working well, though my Huion Kamvas 16 2021 only is 1080p, but on that size it's fine. Might upgrade one day to 2.5k one. On a larger size, 4k would be nice, but the 2.5k on my Huion Kamvas 22 Plus works fine. I bought the PW550s pen end of last year and it works on both of them. Yes, it's not having the PenTech 4.0, but I really wonder how much difference there is between that and PenTech 3.0+. For me having a slim pen is most important, don't like those bulky ones. I also like how the same pen works on both of my devices. Don't know about touch. I'm not too impressed with touch on Windows, it's a hit and miss. I had a touchscreen, but when buying a larger size pen display the beginning of this year, I decided to save some money and not get a touch one. I'm so used the remote keydial that I'm not even missing touch at all. Half of the software I use doesn't even support touch features and on those false input messes things up, I prefer non touch.
I've been tempted to go for the XP pen, as the resolution matches my laptop monitor, so it'd play really nice I think. Waiting on a good deal though, since it's a bit pricey for me atm. I'm nothing if not a cheapskate.
Can you please test if the Huion pen 4.0 works with Kamvas Pro 24 4K. I know it's not officially supported, but I'm hoping that it might still work, even with limited capabilities. I'd appreciate answer from anyone, thank you!
Good video, but it would be even better if you covered two more items... The first and possibly most important missed item... IAF. How does the initial activation force compare? It needs a hair trigger! :). If it can draw under it's own weight, that's good. That means you can fully customize the feel of the pen. If you have to exert pressure to draw, not good. I haven't tried huion or xp pen, but so far reviews seem to indicate they lag in this area. The second thing... much minor in the grand scope of things... do the drivers for huion or xp pen allow touch to be limited to on-screen programmable menus? (like the radial menus or button grids you can make with wacom). In fact, did you know that wacom allows you to limit touch to only radial menus and button grids? Incredibly useful at times.
I'd love the Kamvas Pro 19 if you could install extra bezels on it. I use the Sketchboard Pro with my iPad and I adore that the bezels extend both horizontally and vertically.
I use a 6th-generation iPad mini with Apple Pencil 2nd gen. I like the price of my iPad mini and everything it can do. I've weighed in my mind about getting a drawing screen that only works with a connection to a PC. But I can't afford to pay over $500 for a drawing-only screen.
Wacom is hands down the king but the huion is the tablet for everyone. Have my huion kanvas for going on three years? Never let me down. my expsensive Wacom is just big chilling with the proprietary cord needing to be replaced and collecting dust
Is it fair to say the comparison you've done here is applicable to the Wacom Cintiq 22 Pro vs the Huion Kamvas Pro 24? (For Mac) The price difference is absolutely wild between those two.
Kamvas pro 24 doesn't have pen 4.0 support. The pens it supports have a terrible IAF (initial activation pressure) which makes it very annoying for people with light touch.
Hey Brad - have you ever connected a pen display to an iPAD pro. i.e. creating a larger drawing surface but with the iOS apps and interface? Does it even work? thanks
Hey Brad, I love your videos and your art. Could you consider make some tests considering very light strokes (almost with no weight from the arm and hands) on these display tablets? I would love to see the difference between cintiqs pros and huions (and other if possible😅). I have a kamvas pro 24 4k... It is very annoying that It has some stability issues with very light strokes... always have to apply some weight in my arm. for someone who make sketches and need some light and fluid lines, this is a real problem.. I have never tested a cintiq or cintiq pro, but my 2018 Ipad pro is really responsive. I barley touch the screen and the lines are there. so, i think a test like this could be very useful considering some workflow.. All the best, sir! Thanks for the videos
did they fix the Huion problem where all the strokes ended super thin? at in Mac it had this problem. minute 9:17 seems like it has that problem yet. but 10:26 it doesnt..
I'd be very surprised if anyone could tell the difference between 512 and 16'000 levels of pressure. As long as the pressure curve is set correctly and the activiation force is low it doesn't matter. Now if pen wobble could be eliminated without turning smoothing on, that would be amazing.
Over the last year and a half, I've been casually drawing on an S8 Ultra... But that has changed over time to be more frequent drawing because I've gotten so much more comfortable with it, and part of that is the refresh rate. I'm thinking a few years down the line that I may buy a larger Huion display, provided that they catch up in terms of the refresh rate. 60Hz feels too slow now (keep in mind I'm used to a 240hz monitor, so my eyes _do_ detect the difference between 60, 120, and 240hz). Still, it's awesome to see a rightful challenger to Wacom and at such a price. ...Might have to check out that drawing course, though. More knowledge is always good. lol
still waiting for anyone else than wacom to release a more than 60hz tablet. im so close to buying the wacom 17 but its just too much money, i dont want to do it but its the only options so i wait instead
I knoow they're pretty pricey. But compared to other standard stuff I guess it's a little more budget friendly, just gotta make it towards the budget with saving a bit more. I'll be sticking to my Kamvas 16 2022 version. 🥹
I just wonder about an issue i dont really hear discussed on videos about these tablets. What about security? my tech savvy programmer best friend raised concern about chinese products, as recently it seems theyre building back doors into their products and software. Like smart home apps requiring deep level access to stuff they dont need and demand your personal info as well as wifi pass, LTT doing tests and simple devices frantically communicating with locations in china for reasons unknown, "sendtopolice" routines being present in chinese code, and recently Ukraine getting hit suspiciously precisely in regions that have (or, i assume "had" lol) chinese made web/security cams pointed at them. I just wonder how safe it is to use an xp pen/huion/whatever chinese tablet with chinese drivers that might do just about anything? Anyone know anything about this?
99 rgb is already overkill and I usually have to set it to srgb anyway cause that's what everyone is gonna see the end product in... Also should've compared sizes
Thanks for the nice comparison. Honestly, I'm waiting for Medibang Pro to release for Windows and I will get either a Huion or XP-Pen large display. I'm not happy with any of the art options on Windows and, while I like my Samsung S7 Fe, it still feels incredibly cramped to draw on and I'm craving a much bigger display.
@@tristen_grant I like the simplified interface he showed off in the video for Medibang Pro 🤷🏾♂ Does Krita have a similar feature? If so, I would look at it but if it's going to be another Photoshop clone with a bajillion zillion options I really don't need, I'll continue to wait.
@@AvaRosss I'm guessing you didn't watch Brad's video about the NEW Medibang Pro that debuted on iOS as a Procreate challenger? THAT'S the MediBang Pro I'm referring to. In that video, he said they are preparing a Windows version. THAT'S the MediBang Pro version I'm referring to and waiting for.
@@ajwalker4416 Krita is supposedly going to have a tablet/touch friendly mode with their 6.0 version. When that will come out I don't think we know yet. We also don't know if that will be enabled on the Windows version or just the Android version.
The drawing experience with a wacom is unmatched, the huion is nowhere near. But the price of huion is very good. Wacoms are terribly expensive, 2300 euros for a wacom is not same for an equivalent huion for like 800 euros. But i d never spend 800 euros on a Huion. I don t like them at all when compared to a wacom which are what i m used to.
i work on my laptop with a decent screen of 90% ish of adobe rgb and and draw on a cintiq pro 16 i bought this year. ive never appreciated my external monitor which was a 1080p shitty colour space philips cheapo monitor as much as i do now. i always found that my illustrations always looked worse and lacked dimension when viewed on any monitor besides the cintiq and my laptop. now i adjust my colours such that it looks great even on my philips cheapo and its such a game changer! with my blacks now dark enough but contrasty enough to be readable even wit the shitty monitor, the general articulation of my values and my forms are elevated. tldr; there are more important things than colour accuracy for artists in a drawing tablet. having too good of a screen may even be deceptive for the inexperienced because colours would be more vivid than on lesser screens.
My huion kamvas pro 24 turned off for no reason after 2 years and never managed to turn It on again no matter what i tried. Never going for huion tablets again
I heard that you may have some problems with using XP Pen Drivers together with Wacom Drivers, so it would be best to stick with one brand. Does this issue still exist?
I forgat to add, If you are working on MAc OS, a 1440p display will have better scalling on some applications that 4k. On MAc 4K display will show scaling of 1080p making interfaces chunkier, while 1440p wont. For windows, 4k is great, for MAc 1440p is better than 4k
Now if only huion could update there pens tablet. Im currently using the Hs611, its good for the price but the ergonomics aren't good. I say this because this one and the current models are all completely flat and little to thin. Which imo isn't a good thing, any thing under one side of the tablet is noticable as it rocks back and forth (my mousepad for example).They should go back to 1060p design or mimic what wacom and Xp- Pen are doing, by that I mean the curve or bump that there tablets have. I get to use an old wacom tablet at my college and it feels way better to rest my hand on then the HS611. I don't care much for the eraser but pen 4.0 would still be a great to add to.
The color stuff... the covering of the REC 709 is more a matter of if they documented it or not... (or passed certain tests). Not that the colors wouldn't be there. Nothing wrong in the video, I'm just adding some spice...or... well, there is sth to point out: REC 709 is not more professional (other times is Huion or XP who put the specs "REC 709" instead of sRGB...), or better than even sRGB, they're pretty equivalent. But it's correct to say that for some very specific field's professionals, Rec 709 is the current standard color space for broadcast tv...(not in every place or region). People dedicated to video handle that standard a lot. But as this channel is more focused on illustrators, comic artists, digital painters (I hope I'm right on this), rather than colorists (for video/film/TV), cinematographers, people working for TV... It's IMHO safe to say that even for those of us (illustrators) wanting always the best color in our artwork, for our use, sRGB and REC 709 are nearly identical, sRGB contains all those colors. Now, Adobe RGB is another much better beast (for our use), the big, important target (there are other color spaces even wider, used in Photography, but us illustrators and designers should go after Adobe RGB 95% - 100% coverage). Meaning, covering a lot fewer colors, REC 709 is very similar to sRGB (referred to different gamma... I prefer when they just say 99% sRGB, is less confusing for most people) but seems marketing folks often prefer to refer instead to REC 709, dunno the exact reason; maybe it's part of what is said in the video, so that people working on Animation, TV and video see the standard they work with, confirmed... But in practice, for digital art, graphic design, Photography, comic, etc, for all of these fields and uses it is "kind of" equivalent to sRGB (even if it's a different animal in terms of standards). So, both tablets support that kind of colors range. Even more so in terms of how many colors are _not_ left out, it's quite good news, as they support 88% or Adobe RGB in the case of Wacom (which is a quite wider space than the other two, and than P3. BTW, DCI P3 is slightly better color space than sRGB, but not as wide as Adobe RGB. Some colors are in the latter which would not show up in all the other profiles mentioned, one of my reasons to prefer to work only in Adobe RGB and if anything, convert to sRGB at the very end, if _really_ needed for the target...ie, to maximize compatibility with web browsers) . And Huion covers a 96% Adobe RGB. My issue with that part of the specs (and it's a big one) is that in deep reviews about color (certain labs and hardware publications), I've seen how after hardware calibration (colorimeters), Wacom stays with a fine % of coverage, while the 96 oor 94% of Huion and XP tend to go quite down once calibrated. I don't know if it's over hyped in specs (marketing people does this since always, can't blame them, tho), over estimated, of measured differently, but so many tests wouldn't lie... Anyway, even if it _really_ was an 88 or 85 in the case of Huion, in "reality", it'd still be quite good for the typical artist. I gotta say, in print projects and of course on screen, I do notice when a professional screen (an Eizo covering fully Adobe RGB) is able to show those colors. It's a different planet. Even while I have to "dumb it down" (sRGB, P3, converted to a specific CMYK color, or etc) to look right and not weird on mainstream screens (tho this is changing with the OLED and QLED screens). And I'm a painter! Certain professionals in photography do notice it a lot more. All to say that... at least on paper the two tablets are pretty similar, in the listed specs, about color coverage (REC 709 listed in Wacom's specs sheet doesn't indicate that it provides wider color coverage, or it being more pro, but could make ppl working for TV, video, animation, feel better). My issue with all these products, is that when calibrating, and doing deep tests, Wacom tends to end up with better results in color and image quality. And... in general, comparing technically similar products; like not only in color, also in things like contrast ratio, black levels, etc, these tend to go down more with these two brands than with Wacom, once calibrated. Still, even a Kamvas 22 from a few years ago serves me for non critical color work (for that I have the Eizo and a regular Wacom (large) pen tablet), but being a quite older device, I notice in that old Kamvas (besides it's just sRGB) some color aberrations, even after calibrated with a good colorimeter, and compensation in several ways is not enough to fix it well. But even that one would work for most artists not needing color accuracy (which is quite a few... or... the color problems will happen! But in many cases that would probably not damage seriously their income, if there's any). These days I suspect these products are way better than before, and GREAT bang for the buck, no doubt (I would NOT spend 2500 on a pen display! even less for just a 17" ). But according to certain other reviewer, who went really deep in pen tech - excluding the almost-full-failure of "The One" branch of pen displays in Wacom- it's much better in Wacom (this includes pen tablets, as well). Yet I think the other two brands' products are now quite functional.
Its good to see other people talk abt expensive tablet while I am here with my wacom intuos lol (but hey! I love it, and I love drawing, and thats way more important!)
Speaking as a person with Tetrachromia, does animation, etc etc. I'm not sure *anyone* needs these color format things, at least, not in the last decade. They're all really close.
I dont have a big budget, i just want a tablet i can draw straight onto wirhout hooking it up to any other devices, and for it to not have an offset cursor. If anyone knows an affordable tablet with these qualities that you recommend please let me know 🙏🏿!!
Damn.. I was about to buy huion 22 plus and they put out this stuff 😂 now I'm afraid of buying this one because maybe next year they will bring something even better and cheaper 😂
I’m concerned about longevity. Anything other than Wacom seem to degrade after a year or so. Complaints about glitches, sketchy pen strokes, and even the display screen dimming. It’s the only reason why I’m afraid to buy from a competitor. Could you please speak on these things?
Please can you compare those with Ipads? Spatially PEN side. I have iPad air 5 . I got a deal of 500$ for Huion Kamvas 22 Plus . Should i sell my iPad air 5 to get that. I am a game developer i do need them for drawing ghibli style arts. And i also needs lots of high res layers which iPad 8gb RAM can't handle.. Please anwser🥰🥰🥰🥰
i had a cintiq pro 22 touch that i loved and it broke on me. screen wouldn't power on for me any more. Wacom wanted nearly the cost of a new screen to try and repair it. Got an older Kamvas 16 and while i love it I really miss the touch function and the physical size of the larger screen. plus the 1080 resolution is a but small for drawing clip studio. I think this review has convinced me to save up for the kamvas 19 pro. only thing i would be missing would be the shortcut keys, but i'm willing to give those up for the smaller front bezel and get the little shortcut keypad....i wonder if the dial on that pad can be used to scrub footage in divinci resolve.....
@@pOgOstyle ooh sorry it was the cintiq 22hd touch. Got the model name wrong. I had it for like 2.5 years before it died. Would power on but the screen never lights up anymore
The character animators don’t, you’re right, but there are color graders as part of the production pipeline in the studio who have the accuracy concerns Brad points out.
But REC 709 does not warranty more accuracy... it's just a extremely similar (in color coverage) standard to sRGB (sRGB contains all those colors), but the one (REC 709) largely used in TV (it's the standard fo HDTV, I think), film, in general in color grading for video, etc (so, surely more compatibility with their software, tools, etc; like prepared to import/export with that spec, etc). It does not mean higher quality in color accuracy, neither wider color range. Adobe RGB color space coverage is the important data for illustrators, designers, digital painters, etc. It is much wider than REC 709, sRGB, and DCI P3 (P3 being a bit wider than sRGB, though).
Wacom is like Beta in VHS. Better quality but, the mass ended up buying the more affordable VHS format and Beta ended up outpricing themselves for most consumers and out of the running.
So Huion not having touch working on Mac exemplifies my view on the Wacom competitors. When I last tried them the issue that turned me off was not the drawing feel but the driver polish. At the end of the day, this is a tool to make my work more efficient. And for professionals, there are two types of tools. The tools you use because you have no choice and the tools you choose to use. With the tools you choose, like a pen display, PC hardware, computer, or certain software, Money is rarely the deciding factor. Color gamut, draw feel, and pressure levels again are rarely the deciding factor. The deciding factor is how much time is it going to save and what is the friction when using the tool. Huion and XP had a lot of friction. Their drivers were bad. There were a lot of broken features. They are much better now but I want to know that I can swap computers and still have all the features I paid for. At the end of the day. I want it to work out of the box. Be easy to configure and once I've configured it I want to be able to go to any new environment and be up and running as easily as possible
I´m wondering if the Huion Kamvas Pro 19 can be carried around in a large laptop backpack without danger of damage like display cracks due to pressure or other forces acting on it while on one´s back.
It's got to the point where there is something for everyone, which is excellent.
My Kamvas pro 19 finally came in and I can say I am incredibly in love with drawing on this display. Its absolutely gorgeous and feels amazing to draw on.
What computer are you using to drive your drawing tablet? Are you using PC or Mac?
I use PC. One of the main reasons is to be able to use the touch display. I love being able to zoom in and out very easily with the touch screen. @@mikewade99
@@mikewade99 Stop using a mac lil bro
@@ChromiumCastle I used both. Both are nice. No need to hate on one or the other, just pick a favorite. I use a mac for creative stuff because logic pro exists on there as well and i kinda prefer Final Cut Pro over Adobe Premiere Pro, so for me its kind of a "all in one creative machine", and on my Windows PC are all my games and multimedia apps
@@neothespankplank5839 Blind hate for no reason is bad. Well deserved criticism for shitty business practices and products, be it PC or Mac, is necessary and vital for consumers
Wacom have taken advantage of artists wallets for as long as I e been using them. 30 years. I’m so happy to see them getting competition.
which is great because you get plenty of used wacom devices used for cheap and they dont tend to break so you still get plenty of value for your money. which doesnt mean that its nice that there are other products out now.
@@molambird yeah it´s kind of you buy this expensive tool and it can last more of 10 years.
An artist that I followed in youtube on 2017 (Raul Treviño) was using Cintiq 12wx which is from 2007.
Other youtuber was using the very first Wacom intuos from the 2000s and still working.
Just a tiny correction about color spaces, adobe rgb and dcip3 are wider than rec709, so the rec709 spec exists within their covered ranges, also rec709 is the same gamut as srgb but with a different gamma curve, as long as you manage your color pipeline any of them will work great, just make sure your monitor is calibrated
yeah and Brad is falling for the shite advertisement of wacom garbage were they think 1400$ PLUS is some how worth it lool and FK NO THE PRICE AIN’T WORTH IT BRAD!
Correct and also another correction : from what they said about the color coverage huion screen is better because it covers more of the adobe rgb. And adobe rgb have alot more coverage of green !! Note that to be 100% sure you need to test both with calibration tools, what they said are not correct most of the times !
The fact that huion can get in the ring with cintiq's pro line is pretty extraordinary on its own considering the difference in price; 4k, touch screen, 16k pressure level pens that are more akin to the cintiq style (2 different pens in the box to boot, with the felt nibs as a bonus)... pretty much all the bells and whistles of the cintiq missing only features that studio professionals would need use of
One of the artists for DC Comics apparently uses one occasionally for work and likes it, even compared to his Cintiq products
Best video ever, Brad!
These comparison videos are the best, most informative and most useful! They help a lot to understand which is the best option.
Of all these, I chose huion kamvas 19 and I want to say that I am extremely satisfied with my choice. Everything feels and is premium from the pen to the screen and the quality of the lines I really have nothing to complain about. I even made a cover and traveled with it! I recommend Huion to everyone instead of Wacom. Just one thing if I have to hang on to something, when I close my Macbook pro M1 max laptop it turns on because of the current received from the tablet, a little annoying thing.
Have you got clamshell mode disabled ?
hi, i've been using a cintiq 16 HD on my mac for five years now and i enjoyed it without the multi-touch features in the pro range. i think multi touch and a remote control are superfluous functions anyway. these reviews are making me consider a Huion or a XP pen display, since i'm thinking of upsizing, and i think the new cintiqs are insanely overpriced. do you need a screen protector for the Huion like you do for the XP pen? many complain about the need for the screen protector on the XP pen. i need some reassurance before i order the Huion k p 19. do you think i should take this leap of faith?
@@yoservs buy it without any fears! no need for screen protector on this one!
I've heard some people say it looks "blurry" which is just mind boggling to me because it's supposed to be 4k?
I'm running my Huion 19 from one cable, I have a Asus Thunderbolt 4 card in my pc and it outputs 100w for charging, as long as the usbc cable is 20ghz or more and can charge it does run from just 1 cable. I just bought 2 x 3m cables from amazon with right angle connectors for £20.. it works fine :) I posted a quick video of mine on the Huion sub on reddit.
Great comparison Brad, always appreciate your videos. But just a little feedback - I think you glossed over the price discrepancy a bit too much in the final summary/recommendation. For two high end drawing tablets which are incredibly similar, the fact that you could buy TWO Huions for less than one Wacom is something significant to mention. Value per dollar the Huion seems like the obvious choice between the two unless you required the colour accuracy/Mac multitouch
I think international customer support and warranty is something that should be considered as well. Rest assured both huion's and wacom's customer support is great, but not sure if Huion has a 2 year warranty like wacom does. Longevity and quality is something to look at as well since if I'm spending this much money, it should work for more than x number of years. :)
I've worked on the Wacom Cintiq Pro 16, but my work paid for it. It was a great tablet, I just don't have anything to compare it to! I'm looking at buying the Huion Kamvas Pro 16 because the features and price are blowing Wacom out of the water. I just want reassurance that Huion is a reliable brand as it's still a decent amount of money to spend.
I’ve got the Wacom Cintiq 16 and the Huion Kamvas 19 Pro, and I can confidently say I much prefer my Huion. Everything feels just right. The new pens are very nice and feel great. I’ve yet to run into any issues with the display
Thanks for the informative review! I wonder how the Xencelabs 24 compares to these two? Been eyeing a new tablet lately
A real shame the Huion touch features don’t work when connected to a Mac. I really hope they plan on addressing that, as that seems like a big segment of people that they could possibly be missing out on.
make sure you let them know.
Agreed I want this but have a mac. This is pretty tormenting.
@@joshuapetersen4960 luckily, Huion themselves are testing it out in a new beta driver update for it
It works now. Software update
It works on Mac now!
My animation classroom has the huion tablets! They’re really helpful especially for me since I can’t do 3D modeling with a mouse
(We have a slightly older, cheaper set of these models, but they’re still amazing to use)
Hi Brad. Great content as always. Check out 8:09 , you accidentally said XP pen instead of Huion.
I just got a Kamvas 19 Pro and I'm not sure how to feel about it. It's impossible to double click. Sometimes it randomly disconnects from my computer. In Clip Studio, there's a weird 3 inch offset from the stylus sometimes and I have to disconnect it to fix it. It just feels quirky and unstable. I've tried a Wacom (non-pro) 16 and it feels about the same as far as the drawing experience goes, though. I'm wondering if XP-Pen would have been the better choice.
There's no equivalent yet, there's just a 16 inch one
Really hoping to see XP-PEN catch up in the monitor resolution/size area because I do like their drivers more than Huion, but I'd happily take both those options at this point for really any artist.
Wacom's color profiles seem like a silly expense when you have a matte finish and pen markings... just get a secondary reference monitor with a preview. I also feel like their basic pen has taken a nosedive in quality. At this point something like Xencelabs is far more compelling in the "premium" price bracket.
It's also interesting to see multi-touch become so much more of a make or break for people, I attribute that a lot to Procreate and tablets in general but still can't help but worry about terrible palm rejection.
I recently purchased the Huion Kambas Pro16 (4K) and this is super informative
Some side by side shots would be nice when comparing them.
can you talk about Rebelle 7 ? it looks good but no one talkes about it
I gave up with waiting for wacom to create 19-20 inch screen with more than fhd but less than 4k res, and just went for an intuos pro at this point lol. My back and neck will thank me at least, after working on cintiq13 for past 10 years.
I think it would take huion to send me a tablet for free for me to ever try them again, I've had 3 bad experiences with them, I don't know if I need to get any more.
Brad, would you consider weighting in your reviews the lifespan of these tablets, too?
Ive worked with wacom tablets for about 15 years, never had a single one die on me. 3 months ago I started using Huion and Ive been loving as much, if not more, than the wacoms. Only thing I wonder is if the price cut means a shorter lifespan too? (amongst other things ofc)
I can’t speak to the huion tablet lifespan in comparison to Wacom, but I have a huion 13 inch tablet that my mom gifted me in 2020. I love that thing so much! It’s still going strong. I’m choosing to replace it for something with a better larger display but it has served me well these past three or four years
I have a huion kamvas pro 22 from 2017, and I use it almost every day for more than 8h and still works pretty good, a bit slow sometimes but is not really an issue, but I'm thinking of upgrading to the 27 this year, because of the size and the touch.
My Huion display started unglueing itself in one corner after less than a year and the customer service was so horribly bad that I don't think I will ever buy a Huion tablet again.
I have cintiq 16 bought from 2020 and now 2024 have some damage to screen and have some problem .. so i just want to try other brand..
im sorry for that price the stand should be goldleaf plated with lil diamonds on it and music inside ffs
I have watched your channel awhile now. Your art style is progressing so much. Way cool to watch
10:45 I want to buy Huion it but I'm worried about the case, but Exciting news! one hour ago on Huion youtube channel, they have uploaded Tutorial | How to set up Kamvas pro 19 Touch function on macOS
I'm still using my XP-Pen Artist 15.6 Pro which I bought in 2019, and it still works like a charm. And I'm glad they are still selling it, because I would probs buy it again as a replacement, if mine broke. It's price/performance value is unbeatable. Far as I know there's nothing newer with the same size in the same price category (~€300).
Sounds like the Wacom has actual screen etching while the Huion has a matt coating. I like my Huion 13 inch 2.5K and pen but it is nearly as glass-like slick as my iPad Pro.
Hey Brad - would you be able to do some sort of ergonomics/artist setup 'review'? I used pen tablets all my working career so far, but last year got the xppen artist 16 v2 - and whilst I love it, I just can't get comfortable while using it?!! I've tried it at different positions, heights, and I realised that pen tablets whilst having that added learning curve of looking at a screen whilst drawing on a tablet, in some ways are easier to use! For example having your hand covering a lot of the screen is a little annoying (I mostly do 3D) so whilst I love the pen display, I do sometimes wonder if I should go back to a pen tablet!! Anyway, thanks for the great content - I always look forward to your next video!!!
Some people do just fair better with pen tablets, and that's okay. One of the perks of traditional pen tablets is that they have better ergonomics, and just...are better for one's posture. For me, and I think it's down to my particular flavour of neurodivergency, I couldn't get the hand-eye coordination down with traditional pen tablets, so pen displays are easier in that respect.
You really need to expand these videos to include initial activation force and driver functionality
I'm testing the Kamvas Pro 19 now. Did you find the Huion implementation of touch smokes Wacom? It is a lot smoother and responsive over my Cintiq 24" Pro.
I think the biggest problem with huion is the warranty, I have spent 1k USD on a kamvas 24 4k and unfortunately after a year of using it, it started having a red line on the display which is a bad sign. Now in my country they dont have a repair center and i dont even know what to do with it. And with a bit of research i came to a conlusion that huion devices are just not repairable, so if it breaks its gone.
Rec 709 is just normal srgb, dci p3 and Adobe rgb are bigger color spaces. One of the biggest is rec 2020, and not even the most expensive professional monitor covers 90% of it. So there is not much advantage of Wacom there. I think you are mixing rec 709 with rec 2020, they are not the same
The Problem with Huion is always the really bad color accuracy, even after calibrating them with a calibration device. Sometimes the price just makes the difference, they're cheaper for a reason.
Thanks for this great review. I've been a Wacom user since the late 90s, beginning on their 4X5 Intuos. Yeah, the first one. I'm that old. I've used several different ones over my twenty plus years as a professional artist. My day to day work, I'm currently using a Wacom Cintiq 24HD, which a friend at Wacom has jokingly recently referred to as a dinosaur. But it still does the job, like an old reliable car that gets me where I need to go. I've also got a Wacom Cintiq 16 for my laptop. But at 10 years old, I know the 24HD may go any day. Tech does that. And I've been considering a Huion, having heard they've really upped their game the past few years. This is the kind of video I really appreciate, Brad. Unbiased, honest, and straight up.
Rec 709 is not a higher colour profile, it is the basic SDR. You are mistaking it for Rec 2020 which is for HDR
How have the parallax and pen tracking accuracy improved since the previous Cintiq Pro? I see many reviews, but none discuss whether there have been any improvements.
Also would just like to add the Kamvas Pro 19 is really good for playing Baldur's Gate 3 on.
i'd love to see the xencelabs in there, I've seen reviews (Brad's included) but i think i'd be very useful to compare it head to head with the ones in the video.
How the Huion 19 and XP-Pen compare to their past Pen Tech?
I did a custom test a couple months ago. I tested three non-screen tablets: Wacom Intuos Pro M, Xencelabs Pen Tablet M and Huion Inspired 2. The last one is just the most advanced Pen Tech before this new range of 16k Huion tablets and screens.
Tested in Rebelle 7, a software which is very sensitive with pressure and tilt. The best by far is the Xencelabs. Then Wacom, so close that can be considered almost the same. But the Huion one was very lackluster; enough to draw and paint, and sure you will not notice that difference if you don't do a direct comparison like I did. But there's that difference.
BTW, it would be nice if you do more comprehensive tilt tests in your review. Maybe for drawing isn't needed, but for painters, the Tilt is a very important feature.
What about latency? I'm assuming you didn't mention it because they're pretty much all excellent and comparable? If so, that's great for Huion and I will strongly consider going with them whenever I get a new tablet.
Mr Brad! I trust your opinion completely!
Much continued success both in your channel and artwork!
Rob
Does the Cintiq Pro 17 have loud fans like the Pro 27 does?
It does have fans and the noise is irritating but not as loud as the cintiq pro 27.
They all seem nice, great comparison. I'm happy with the ones I've got, they're working well, though my Huion Kamvas 16 2021 only is 1080p, but on that size it's fine. Might upgrade one day to 2.5k one. On a larger size, 4k would be nice, but the 2.5k on my Huion Kamvas 22 Plus works fine. I bought the PW550s pen end of last year and it works on both of them. Yes, it's not having the PenTech 4.0, but I really wonder how much difference there is between that and PenTech 3.0+. For me having a slim pen is most important, don't like those bulky ones. I also like how the same pen works on both of my devices.
Don't know about touch. I'm not too impressed with touch on Windows, it's a hit and miss. I had a touchscreen, but when buying a larger size pen display the beginning of this year, I decided to save some money and not get a touch one. I'm so used the remote keydial that I'm not even missing touch at all. Half of the software I use doesn't even support touch features and on those false input messes things up, I prefer non touch.
I had that XP pen Gen2 16 for about a month before I sent it back. I had to calibrate the pen every couple hours and the drivers were pretty lame.
The latest XP-Pen tablets are amazing, the Artist pro 16 gen 2 is the best tablet I've ever used. Huion tablets feels very cheap in comparison.
I've been tempted to go for the XP pen, as the resolution matches my laptop monitor, so it'd play really nice I think. Waiting on a good deal though, since it's a bit pricey for me atm. I'm nothing if not a cheapskate.
Can you please test if the Huion pen 4.0 works with Kamvas Pro 24 4K.
I know it's not officially supported, but I'm hoping that it might still work, even with limited capabilities.
I'd appreciate answer from anyone, thank you!
Good video, but it would be even better if you covered two more items... The first and possibly most important missed item... IAF. How does the initial activation force compare? It needs a hair trigger! :). If it can draw under it's own weight, that's good. That means you can fully customize the feel of the pen. If you have to exert pressure to draw, not good. I haven't tried huion or xp pen, but so far reviews seem to indicate they lag in this area.
The second thing... much minor in the grand scope of things... do the drivers for huion or xp pen allow touch to be limited to on-screen programmable menus? (like the radial menus or button grids you can make with wacom). In fact, did you know that wacom allows you to limit touch to only radial menus and button grids? Incredibly useful at times.
still using my (1st gen)15.6 pro xp pen, working good more or less) but changed my pen and cable once. bought it for like 290$
I also have that one!
I'd love the Kamvas Pro 19 if you could install extra bezels on it. I use the Sketchboard Pro with my iPad and I adore that the bezels extend both horizontally and vertically.
Hmm. There might be custom options out there?
I use a 6th-generation iPad mini with Apple Pencil 2nd gen. I like the price of my iPad mini and everything it can do. I've weighed in my mind about getting a drawing screen that only works with a connection to a PC. But I can't afford to pay over $500 for a drawing-only screen.
Wacom is hands down the king but the huion is the tablet for everyone.
Have my huion kanvas for going on three years? Never let me down. my expsensive Wacom is just big chilling with the proprietary cord needing to be replaced and collecting dust
I want this but huion 19 vs 16. Since they cost the same for me 😂
Cintiq pro 16 or the kamvas 19 pro?
Is it fair to say the comparison you've done here is applicable to the Wacom Cintiq 22 Pro vs the Huion Kamvas Pro 24? (For Mac) The price difference is absolutely wild between those two.
Kamvas pro 24 doesn't have pen 4.0 support. The pens it supports have a terrible IAF (initial activation pressure) which makes it very annoying for people with light touch.
Hey Brad - have you ever connected a pen display to an iPAD pro. i.e. creating a larger drawing surface but with the iOS apps and interface? Does it even work? thanks
Hey Brad, I love your videos and your art. Could you consider make some tests considering very light strokes (almost with no weight from the arm and hands) on these display tablets? I would love to see the difference between cintiqs pros and huions (and other if possible😅). I have a kamvas pro 24 4k... It is very annoying that It has some stability issues with very light strokes... always have to apply some weight in my arm. for someone who make sketches and need some light and fluid lines, this is a real problem.. I have never tested a cintiq or cintiq pro, but my 2018 Ipad pro is really responsive. I barley touch the screen and the lines are there. so, i think a test like this could be very useful considering some workflow.. All the best, sir! Thanks for the videos
did they fix the Huion problem where all the strokes ended super thin? at in Mac it had this problem. minute 9:17 seems like it has that problem yet. but 10:26 it doesnt..
8:40 I think that everthing with 4096 levels and higher is good enough. 2048 levels was the highend until 2016 or something.
I'd be very surprised if anyone could tell the difference between 512 and 16'000 levels of pressure. As long as the pressure curve is set correctly and the activiation force is low it doesn't matter. Now if pen wobble could be eliminated without turning smoothing on, that would be amazing.
@@fix0the0spade Yes, 512 is low. But the higher you go the lesser you notice a difference beween the levels. It is like with fps in games.
Over the last year and a half, I've been casually drawing on an S8 Ultra... But that has changed over time to be more frequent drawing because I've gotten so much more comfortable with it, and part of that is the refresh rate.
I'm thinking a few years down the line that I may buy a larger Huion display, provided that they catch up in terms of the refresh rate. 60Hz feels too slow now (keep in mind I'm used to a 240hz monitor, so my eyes _do_ detect the difference between 60, 120, and 240hz). Still, it's awesome to see a rightful challenger to Wacom and at such a price.
...Might have to check out that drawing course, though. More knowledge is always good. lol
still waiting for anyone else than wacom to release a more than 60hz tablet.
im so close to buying the wacom 17 but its just too much money, i dont want to do it but its the only options so i wait instead
It's very nice , but it's price for me isn't nice😂
I knoow they're pretty pricey. But compared to other standard stuff I guess it's a little more budget friendly, just gotta make it towards the budget with saving a bit more. I'll be sticking to my Kamvas 16 2022 version. 🥹
@@MDigitalProductionsI still use 2019😂
This is why competition is important.
I just wonder about an issue i dont really hear discussed on videos about these tablets.
What about security? my tech savvy programmer best friend raised concern about chinese products, as recently it seems theyre building back doors into their products and software. Like smart home apps requiring deep level access to stuff they dont need and demand your personal info as well as wifi pass, LTT doing tests and simple devices frantically communicating with locations in china for reasons unknown, "sendtopolice" routines being present in chinese code, and recently Ukraine getting hit suspiciously precisely in regions that have (or, i assume "had" lol) chinese made web/security cams pointed at them.
I just wonder how safe it is to use an xp pen/huion/whatever chinese tablet with chinese drivers that might do just about anything? Anyone know anything about this?
*what size do you guys recommend the kamvas pro 19 or the 27?*
the one you feel comfortable with
99 rgb is already overkill and I usually have to set it to srgb anyway cause that's what everyone is gonna see the end product in...
Also should've compared sizes
Thanks for the nice comparison. Honestly, I'm waiting for Medibang Pro to release for Windows and I will get either a Huion or XP-Pen large display. I'm not happy with any of the art options on Windows and, while I like my Samsung S7 Fe, it still feels incredibly cramped to draw on and I'm craving a much bigger display.
Krita is amazing.
Medibang Pro has been on Windows for a very long time now.
@@tristen_grant I like the simplified interface he showed off in the video for Medibang Pro 🤷🏾♂ Does Krita have a similar feature? If so, I would look at it but if it's going to be another Photoshop clone with a bajillion zillion options I really don't need, I'll continue to wait.
@@AvaRosss I'm guessing you didn't watch Brad's video about the NEW Medibang Pro that debuted on iOS as a Procreate challenger? THAT'S the MediBang Pro I'm referring to. In that video, he said they are preparing a Windows version. THAT'S the MediBang Pro version I'm referring to and waiting for.
@@ajwalker4416 Krita is supposedly going to have a tablet/touch friendly mode with their 6.0 version. When that will come out I don't think we know yet. We also don't know if that will be enabled on the Windows version or just the Android version.
The drawing experience with a wacom is unmatched, the huion is nowhere near. But the price of huion is very good. Wacoms are terribly expensive, 2300 euros for a wacom is not same for an equivalent huion for like 800 euros. But i d never spend 800 euros on a Huion. I don t like them at all when compared to a wacom which are what i m used to.
What about the parallax though? That could be a deal breaker for me
i work on my laptop with a decent screen of 90% ish of adobe rgb and and draw on a cintiq pro 16 i bought this year. ive never appreciated my external monitor which was a 1080p shitty colour space philips cheapo monitor as much as i do now. i always found that my illustrations always looked worse and lacked dimension when viewed on any monitor besides the cintiq and my laptop. now i adjust my colours such that it looks great even on my philips cheapo and its such a game changer! with my blacks now dark enough but contrasty enough to be readable even wit the shitty monitor, the general articulation of my values and my forms are elevated. tldr; there are more important things than colour accuracy for artists in a drawing tablet. having too good of a screen may even be deceptive for the inexperienced because colours would be more vivid than on lesser screens.
My huion kamvas pro 24 turned off for no reason after 2 years and never managed to turn It on again no matter what i tried. Never going for huion tablets again
How have these change since the huion 16 2021?
I heard that you may have some problems with using XP Pen Drivers together with Wacom Drivers, so it would be best to stick with one brand. Does this issue still exist?
Next time, ask for Wacom Cintiq Pro 27 vs Huion Kamvas Pro 27.
I forgat to add, If you are working on MAc OS, a 1440p display will have better scalling on some applications that 4k. On MAc 4K display will show scaling of 1080p making interfaces chunkier, while 1440p wont. For windows, 4k is great, for MAc 1440p is better than 4k
Actually REC709 is a smaller gamut than adobe rgb and dci-p3
I want to create high quality manga.which device should i get in a budget?
If budget is in the picture at all, the choice obviously will never be wacom lol
Now if only huion could update there pens tablet. Im currently using the Hs611, its good for the price but the ergonomics aren't good. I say this because this one and the current models are all completely flat and little to thin. Which imo isn't a good thing, any thing under one side of the tablet is noticable as it rocks back and forth (my mousepad for example).They should go back to 1060p design or mimic what wacom and Xp- Pen are doing, by that I mean the curve or bump that there tablets have. I get to use an old wacom tablet at my college and it feels way better to rest my hand on then the HS611. I don't care much for the eraser but pen 4.0 would still be a great to add to.
Nuh these Wacom prices. It's never even in my mind as option. I just wanna see how good the latest huion thing is
My $130 xp pen 12 is really good. I love it alot
You don't need to buy overpriced tablets to become good at art, it's all about honing your skills.
The color stuff... the covering of the REC 709 is more a matter of if they documented it or not... (or passed certain tests). Not that the colors wouldn't be there. Nothing wrong in the video, I'm just adding some spice...or... well, there is sth to point out: REC 709 is not more professional (other times is Huion or XP who put the specs "REC 709" instead of sRGB...), or better than even sRGB, they're pretty equivalent. But it's correct to say that for some very specific field's professionals, Rec 709 is the current standard color space for broadcast tv...(not in every place or region).
People dedicated to video handle that standard a lot. But as this channel is more focused on illustrators, comic artists, digital painters (I hope I'm right on this), rather than colorists (for video/film/TV), cinematographers, people working for TV... It's IMHO safe to say that even for those of us (illustrators) wanting always the best color in our artwork, for our use, sRGB and REC 709 are nearly identical, sRGB contains all those colors.
Now, Adobe RGB is another much better beast (for our use), the big, important target (there are other color spaces even wider, used in Photography, but us illustrators and designers should go after Adobe RGB 95% - 100% coverage). Meaning, covering a lot fewer colors, REC 709 is very similar to sRGB (referred to different gamma... I prefer when they just say 99% sRGB, is less confusing for most people) but seems marketing folks often prefer to refer instead to REC 709, dunno the exact reason; maybe it's part of what is said in the video, so that people working on Animation, TV and video see the standard they work with, confirmed... But in practice, for digital art, graphic design, Photography, comic, etc, for all of these fields and uses it is "kind of" equivalent to sRGB (even if it's a different animal in terms of standards).
So, both tablets support that kind of colors range. Even more so in terms of how many colors are _not_ left out, it's quite good news, as they support 88% or Adobe RGB in the case of Wacom (which is a quite wider space than the other two, and than P3. BTW, DCI P3 is slightly better color space than sRGB, but not as wide as Adobe RGB. Some colors are in the latter which would not show up in all the other profiles mentioned, one of my reasons to prefer to work only in Adobe RGB and if anything, convert to sRGB at the very end, if _really_ needed for the target...ie, to maximize compatibility with web browsers) . And Huion covers a 96% Adobe RGB. My issue with that part of the specs (and it's a big one) is that in deep reviews about color (certain labs and hardware publications), I've seen how after hardware calibration (colorimeters), Wacom stays with a fine % of coverage, while the 96 oor 94% of Huion and XP tend to go quite down once calibrated. I don't know if it's over hyped in specs (marketing people does this since always, can't blame them, tho), over estimated, of measured differently, but so many tests wouldn't lie...
Anyway, even if it _really_ was an 88 or 85 in the case of Huion, in "reality", it'd still be quite good for the typical artist. I gotta say, in print projects and of course on screen, I do notice when a professional screen (an Eizo covering fully Adobe RGB) is able to show those colors. It's a different planet. Even while I have to "dumb it down" (sRGB, P3, converted to a specific CMYK color, or etc) to look right and not weird on mainstream screens (tho this is changing with the OLED and QLED screens). And I'm a painter! Certain professionals in photography do notice it a lot more. All to say that... at least on paper the two tablets are pretty similar, in the listed specs, about color coverage (REC 709 listed in Wacom's specs sheet doesn't indicate that it provides wider color coverage, or it being more pro, but could make ppl working for TV, video, animation, feel better). My issue with all these products, is that when calibrating, and doing deep tests, Wacom tends to end up with better results in color and image quality. And... in general, comparing technically similar products; like not only in color, also in things like contrast ratio, black levels, etc, these tend to go down more with these two brands than with Wacom, once calibrated.
Still, even a Kamvas 22 from a few years ago serves me for non critical color work (for that I have the Eizo and a regular Wacom (large) pen tablet), but being a quite older device, I notice in that old Kamvas (besides it's just sRGB) some color aberrations, even after calibrated with a good colorimeter, and compensation in several ways is not enough to fix it well. But even that one would work for most artists not needing color accuracy (which is quite a few... or... the color problems will happen! But in many cases that would probably not damage seriously their income, if there's any). These days I suspect these products are way better than before, and GREAT bang for the buck, no doubt (I would NOT spend 2500 on a pen display! even less for just a 17" ). But according to certain other reviewer, who went really deep in pen tech - excluding the almost-full-failure of "The One" branch of pen displays in Wacom- it's much better in Wacom (this includes pen tablets, as well). Yet I think the other two brands' products are now quite functional.
Hey What about the Xencelabs 24 in? We are testing them in our studio. Perhaps to replace the need for Wacoms since they are so over-priced.
Its good to see other people talk abt expensive tablet while I am here with my wacom intuos lol (but hey! I love it, and I love drawing, and thats way more important!)
Speaking as a person with Tetrachromia, does animation, etc etc. I'm not sure *anyone* needs these color format things, at least, not in the last decade. They're all really close.
I dont have a big budget, i just want a tablet i can draw straight onto wirhout hooking it up to any other devices, and for it to not have an offset cursor. If anyone knows an affordable tablet with these qualities that you recommend please let me know 🙏🏿!!
XP-pen doesn't have offset cursors.
You failed to mention that Wacom has a 120hz display which is a big deal for drawing and general use.
Higher refresh rate isn’t noticeable when drawing tbh. Once you get at least 75hz it all starts to feel the same
No it's not
I have been waiting for this one
Brad trying to be really kind with wacom...he knows we know it's not worth the price difference.
thank you Brad.
Damn.. I was about to buy huion 22 plus and they put out this stuff 😂 now I'm afraid of buying this one because maybe next year they will bring something even better and cheaper 😂
I’m concerned about longevity. Anything other than Wacom seem to degrade after a year or so. Complaints about glitches, sketchy pen strokes, and even the display screen dimming. It’s the only reason why I’m afraid to buy from a competitor. Could you please speak on these things?
Please can you compare those with Ipads? Spatially PEN side. I have iPad air 5 . I got a deal of 500$ for Huion Kamvas 22 Plus . Should i sell my iPad air 5 to get that. I am a game developer i do need them for drawing ghibli style arts. And i also needs lots of high res layers which iPad 8gb RAM can't handle.. Please anwser🥰🥰🥰🥰
Why? They are different things.
They are different things. Ipads have processors in them, these screens Brad reviews are displays, they still need to plug in a computer.
I am asking for drawings experience . I have a high end pc
i had a cintiq pro 22 touch that i loved and it broke on me. screen wouldn't power on for me any more. Wacom wanted nearly the cost of a new screen to try and repair it. Got an older Kamvas 16 and while i love it I really miss the touch function and the physical size of the larger screen. plus the 1080 resolution is a but small for drawing clip studio. I think this review has convinced me to save up for the kamvas 19 pro. only thing i would be missing would be the shortcut keys, but i'm willing to give those up for the smaller front bezel and get the little shortcut keypad....i wonder if the dial on that pad can be used to scrub footage in divinci resolve.....
cintiq pro 22 is out for not even 6 month you should get an replacement unit...?!
@@pOgOstyle ooh sorry it was the cintiq 22hd touch. Got the model name wrong. I had it for like 2.5 years before it died. Would power on but the screen never lights up anymore
Wacom is 98% Adobe RGB, not 88% as you stated.
Not sure animators need super accurate colors mate. They are not dealing so much with color as they are with movement
The character animators don’t, you’re right, but there are color graders as part of the production pipeline in the studio who have the accuracy concerns Brad points out.
But REC 709 does not warranty more accuracy... it's just a extremely similar (in color coverage) standard to sRGB (sRGB contains all those colors), but the one (REC 709) largely used in TV (it's the standard fo HDTV, I think), film, in general in color grading for video, etc (so, surely more compatibility with their software, tools, etc; like prepared to import/export with that spec, etc). It does not mean higher quality in color accuracy, neither wider color range. Adobe RGB color space coverage is the important data for illustrators, designers, digital painters, etc. It is much wider than REC 709, sRGB, and DCI P3 (P3 being a bit wider than sRGB, though).
@@midnightfuture right but animators mainly don’t require it
@@3polygons for sure, it is more useful for illustrators
Wacom is like Beta in VHS. Better quality but, the mass ended up buying the more affordable VHS format and Beta ended up outpricing themselves for most consumers and out of the running.
Seriously don't get why an iPad and pencil doesn't glide like this.
I thought xp was close too
So Huion not having touch working on Mac exemplifies my view on the Wacom competitors. When I last tried them the issue that turned me off was not the drawing feel but the driver polish. At the end of the day, this is a tool to make my work more efficient. And for professionals, there are two types of tools. The tools you use because you have no choice and the tools you choose to use. With the tools you choose, like a pen display, PC hardware, computer, or certain software, Money is rarely the deciding factor. Color gamut, draw feel, and pressure levels again are rarely the deciding factor. The deciding factor is how much time is it going to save and what is the friction when using the tool. Huion and XP had a lot of friction. Their drivers were bad. There were a lot of broken features. They are much better now but I want to know that I can swap computers and still have all the features I paid for. At the end of the day. I want it to work out of the box. Be easy to configure and once I've configured it I want to be able to go to any new environment and be up and running as easily as possible
Sounds like XP- Pen won! 🎉
I´m wondering if the Huion Kamvas Pro 19 can be carried around in a large laptop backpack without danger of damage like display cracks due to pressure or other forces acting on it while on one´s back.
you need the colour features that wacom offers regardless of what medium your final work will be in.