2023 BMW iX1 VS Tesla Model Y size, range & price compared
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- 2023 BMW iX1 VS Tesla Model Y size, range & price compared
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People buy BMW's because of the way they drive, you did a review without even driving the car. I have owned BMW previously and they make brilliant cars that are a joy to drive. I have driven Tesla as well and they are not as good handling, my brother has the Performance 3 and model X. From the reviews the BMW is more fun to drive and that is what people are paying for.
I have owned several BMW´s and currently own two BMW i3´s (2014 and 2019). I recently sold my 2018 TMX that I had for four years. BMW: Never any issues, great build quality and superb customer service. TMX: Tons of small issues, poor build quality. Tesla service is bad...Also I hate all the software updates which often makes the functionality worse. Well. The TMX was really too big for me, so started looking for a smaller electric SUV. I was considering the TMY. But to me it is not small enough. Ride is harsh. Has annoying SW updates. Do not like the interior and exterior design. Frameless windows and door handles are useless in winter. And I would have to deal with Tesla customer service..... So when I saw the iX1 specs I ordered one the first day it became available. It tics all the boxes I have for a small ish electric SUV. Ok it might be a packaging compromise. But I don´t care. It still has more space than I really need with a nice interior. And it is built like a proper car by a company that know how to build cars. Hope I get it before christmas :) I´m done with Tesla. A little side note. We also have a classic Hyundai Ionic EV in the family. A car built on a platform shared with hybrids and ICE. Still it is super efficient and has excellent build quality. So only choosing EV based on having a bespoke platform might not be the best choice. The other car stuff need to work as well.
I disagree. There isn’t a clear winner. I recently test drove the Model Y and the BMW iX3 (obviously the iX1 isn’t available yet). Both are fantastic cars to drive and have their own pros/cons vs the other but we’ve ordered an iX1.
The Tesla is quicker (mentally quick but the BMW is still really quick)
The Tesla has more storage space (front boot and boot)
The Tesla has a better range.
The BMW’s ride is more balanced (firm but comfortable, Tesla is very firm)
The BMW build quality is significantly better and the interior is really high quality vs the Tesla.
The BMW ‘s tech is more intuitive with fewer menus to negotiate (Everything going through the big screen in the Tesla isn’t for us) and the heads up display is great.
We think the BMW looks better.
Ultimately, the BMW is big enough and fast enough for us and has enough range but has all the benefits above. If range, space and performance were our top priorities, we’d have gone for the Tesla. We test drove four cars (also the VW ID4 and the Hyundai EV6) and scored them:
VW 6/10
Hyundai 8/10
Tesla 9/10
BMW 9.5/10
Hey, after 1 year what is your opinion, bmw Ix1 or tesla?
@@t-1212I can’t compare directly as I don’t have the Tesla but I’m very pleased with our choice. If space / performance is critical to anyone, I’m sure the Tesla would be the better choice for them.
@@JamboLinnman thanks for your honest answer. I can choose a company car now, my choices are model y, model 3 (oktober 2023 only model 3, facelift: ambient light, screen in backseat, ventilated seats,…). I am like a superintendent, so space is important to me (trunk space), but if you fold the model 3 seats I think you have enough space. But I am thinking also sometimes I am like a taxidriver for the family, and than the space in the back is important, indeed the model Y best space for passengers. But the model 3 is not bad at all, and the BMW IX1 is also not bad. So I have a luxury problem I Guess. I don’t know what I have to choose haha.
3: pro’s: ventilated seats, full option(choosing color blue and white seats), ambient lightning, screen in back for entertainment (Disney plus, Netflix,TH-cam…) and also choosing the airco, warming seats everywhere even in the back, headlights and tale lights are beautiful now, far more better than the model y. Also logo of tesla is gone and its says T E S L A, very nicely done. It has a FRUNK. Panorama roofing (free option), turn right or left nice cameras on the screen. Best range of the 3 cars. Top speed 201km/h. Fastest time to go to 100 km/h. best range, 513 km, blind spot warning in interior.
Con’s: very minimalistic, No Head up display, 1 tablet in the middle for the whole controlling of the Tesla, even the glove box🙈, trunk space is not bad but to put things in is bad because it is a Sedan. No carplay, android carplay,… you cannot park automatically with the Tesla only if you pay for the autopilot feature(7500 euros extra😅), no augmentes reality navigation system,… no tintes glass in backseats, als if you want to drive forward backwards you have to use the screen instead of a button or joystick,…
Model Y: pros: big space, for everyone enough space, big trunk space and frunk space, joystick to move backward or forward. Tinted windows in the backseats and behind.
Con’s: can only choose white as exteriour colour and black seats for interior, so it is ugly for my taste, only the exterior colour not the seats😊 (for budget reasons), has not the facelift feautures like tabletscreen in the back for the kids… ambient lightining, warm seats and, choosing the airconditioning, playing with the passenger seat to have more legroom…
Lowest range of the 3 cars. Only 455 km WLTP no blind spot warning.
Bmw IX1: pros: nice car to look at, a real car if you know what I mean, nice seats, beautiful design inside, also exterior is beautiful with the m sport pack. Head up display, very nice, 360 camera even in the front, if you park you can see everything perfect. Blind spot warning perfectly. Beautiful curved display, massage seats, electrical seats. Good trunk space range of 470 km WLTP, trunk can open with a swipe of the feet. Ambient light, also bmw logo if you open the door.
Cons: backseats and comfort, is not so great as in the model y, also no tablet in the back. On paper the expensiest car (no problem for me i am not paying)
I dont know what i have to choose haha
If you are into top notch driving assistant systems the choice is very obvious BMW. If you expect HUD, 22kw AC, balanced ride quality, Matrix LED the choice is BMW. If you want a compact car good for Urban parking spaces but still want decent space you chose BMW. If you do not want insane insurance premiums each year you chose BMW (yeah you have every two years a service, still saving here altogether). Combined with huge discounts for the ix1 (at least in Germany) at the moment the choice is very easy unless you need to travel very long distances on regular basis.
The model Y 0-60 is about 6.9 seconds most are getting above that ~7.2-7.3.... also BMW usually underquotes it's 0-60 times.. Also BMW now has a 5 year warranty in Australia.
I currently own a model y in Australia, my cousin is getting the BMW x1i. We checked out the X1 today petrol version. Would trade in my model Y for the X1i next year after my lease is done. Tesla external body feels very cheap, thin metal, thin paint. Do not listen to anyone, go look at the car at the dealer.
Does it have OTA and regular updates as Tesla has? And (remembering the wise words from Sandy Munro) a 2019 model 3 only looks the same as a 2022 model 3. Tesla builds a car and keeps improving and learning, something the other builders have refused to do for many, many years.
I have owned a Tesla S for five and a half year since June 2017. All those years I've been waiting for the self driving ability (which I paid for in the beginning) to be implemented. It still isn't, at least here in Norway.
When I sold it in the end of last year, I had a Tesla Y reservation. - But I chose a BMW i4 instead.
Why?
The BMW i4/ix1 has a lot of useful functions which the Tesla Y lack. For example:
- The best adaptive headlights you can buy.
- Very fuctional HUD with much better speed limit recognition than my S had. It also shows upcoming speed limit change in good time and provides an easy way to adjust to the new limit.
- Much better energy recuperating control: "B"(one pedal driing) + Auto + two levels
- Much less noise inside, and a much higher quality interior.
- .....
But most of all: Everything works from the first day.
If had chosen the Tesla Y instead, no one could tell me when the new headlights matrix ability could come to work - or when the parking assistence would begin to work: The car is sold without parking assistance since Tesla decided to get rid of all sensors buit the cameras.
But if you can stand the everlasting uncertany about what's coming next (it seems there is only one person to ask), and price, space and horsepower are your primary priorities, then Elon is your man.
agree. the peace of mind with LFP, and the ground up EV architecture are key differentiators. I like bmws, especially their ergonomics, but i like lower costs more.
Apple vs Orange, BMW is luxury vs ModelY is simple + autodrive (if your country allow). P.S. iX1 trunk is 490L (not 450L)
These are the exact two cars on my list. In uk the BMW is 4x4 where base model Y is rear drive only and BMW has far better interior. I'm concerned about subscriptions on some of BMW tech though. FOMO is a concern with Model Y. There always seems to be improvements coming down the road which is a concern. Heart says Tesla, Head says BMW.
Time to change your way of thinking and driving. What I could after 54 years of driving ‚luxury‘ cars is easy when you look for one of the tree 800 Volts from Hyundai and even their ICE based electric are far from BMW. Products getting better and lasting longer are fitting to our time, not outdated junk from the past. Tesla does that best 😎
Missing considerations: in Aus BMW warranty is 5 yrs v 4. At the prices mentioned the BMW is all wheel drive v 2. BMW wins the 0-100km/h sprint in 5.7s. V Tesla 6.9s. Rear cargo cover in BMW v none. Sliding roof in BMW v none. Blind to shade the panoramic roof v none. Apple CarPlay and Google v n/a. And let’s not forget the speedo in front of you in the BMW as well as head-up display. That’s before we discuss quality of fit and finish, and the Tesla’s challenging ride over less than perfect road surfaces. In my opinion these advantages way outstrip the pricing difference and in my opinion, give the BMW a clear win.
The lack of after sales support in Australia (and elsewhere) is a big negative against Tesla
Amazing vídeo Viking, and is better Than EqA or EqB?
Owned a x1 for 5 years and really loved that car, but on to the next! waiting for delivery of the lfp model Y and couldn’t be more excited
I don't have a dog in this fight (currently driving a 2021 Calligraphy ICE) but what I find missing from most of this channels car comparisons are any mention of what the cars are like on the road. Handling, braking, emergency maneuvers, sound deadening, ride comfort, etc. are more significant than dimensions. "It's one thing to compare them on paper, quite another on pavement". (©™😀)
Not to forget the driving sound you can switch on in the BMW. So you get the real ICE feeling. Ice Ice baby...
Material and build quality too. Many also rather have a smaller car, meaning bigger dimensions can actually be bad too
Since all manufacturers are relatively new in the EV tech field, at least in the full on ramp up, it might be wise to choose those with the best motors, batteries, software and charging network as the first points. Then massaging seats, extras, etc can come into play. No matter how nice it looks outside and inside, it won't matter if the EV is full of issues.
If you care about intangibles like design and way a car makes you feel then the iX1 easily looks better both inside and out. The interior of the Tesla is different and not in a good way. BMW knows how to do a good interior. Another huge positive is your money doesn't go to Elon Musk. The prototypes iX1's are apparently reasonably fun to drive which is not something I've heard said about the Model Y.
This comparison is too early until you sit your bum in one.
Well ... The Y is a clear winner for YOU based on "numbers". Others have different priorities and will gladly pay more for luxury, comfort, better handling, sound deadening, ... you know, the things you cannot put a "number" on.
Hi Viking, you did not mention if the BMW has a frunk or the size involved comparison?
Reasons to avoid Tesla Model Y?
1) Random phantom breaking
2) Auto high beam and wipers not working properly
3) Build quality
So you have a source ix1 uses nmc? Cant find any Info in battery somehow :/
or should I just wait for the BYD Seal (Atto4) which might come to Australia next year? Hopefully the price will be as cheap as it is in China.
I find it amazing how many folks believe that because a car is made by BMW it must be good. The simple fact is that while BMW may have a competitive product in a few years, at the moment their kluged IC cars are just placeholders until they figure this out. Seriously uncompetitive product. None of them are worth buying.
The bmw looks way better .
If you are paying so much for a vehicle the looks count , and it is an electric car 😊👍
Excellent review. You nailed it!!
Thanks for watching
Seems like you only "like" the comment that agree with you 😂
this is not fair to compare tesla with a bmw ev, just like compare a casio with rolex watch
I'm surprised you haven't made a video on 3/y price reduction.
I've been driving a vehicle with a heads-up-display since May and I've really grown attached to it. If given the option of the HUD I would prefer the vehicle featuring it
Thank you for the video but it is a bit confusing hearing battery metals Nickle/Cobalt referred to as "Rare Earths". Rare earth elements are used to create strong magnets and provide more efficient motors - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare-earth_element. I think the point of the BMW not having a permanent magnet based motor is a negative if true.
I'd like to see a comparison as well that includes a long-drive test, on more than one kind of road. How does it feel to drive each of these? Which one has better handling on a twisty road? Which one feels better on roads that are in poor condition, like broken pavement, bumps, etc? Which one wins a braking test? Which one feels better to sit in and drive for three hours straight? These things would matter to me.
having tested the (lighter) ICE X1 with the m-sport 20" wheels i will say "doesn't like the rough roads you get in UK cities, especially at slower speeds where it becomes obvious". happier on motorways and windy country roads. we will be going with the 19" wheels on our ix1, and I'd have have opted for the 18" ones if they were an option
I have just bought an ix1; not the tesla y, not the volvo p8, nor the audi Q4. First, a quick correction to one of the points: the weight of the IX1 and model Y AWD versions are both 2000kg -no difference at all. The model Y range is better and you have the advantage of all the extra charging stations, which, because they are tesla only the uk and some of the eu countries, means you don't even have to queue behind lots of other vehicles when you go on holiday in the summer. The Y is also way roomier, even though the ix1's space is actually 490L -the same surface area as our current estate car.
But I have a fundamental issue with all teslas, which is "I am a software developer and I don't believe Musk's fantasies". In particular, his focus on computer vision as the sole input source for autonomous driving is a mistake. Ultrasound, radar and (mercedes; volvo by 2024) LIDAR provide lots of information especially in adverse weather conditions where optical doesn't stand a chance. Put differently "bats have no problem flying at night, even in thick fog". also have really issues with some other aspects of the engineering both on the production line and a number of the hardware design decisions, decisions which you can see result in a vehicle recalls.
Finally, I wouldn't actually call the ix1 an "EV retrofitted to ICE" either, more a "vehicle designed for both from the outset" -unlike their ix3, which wastes most of the engine compartment and doesn't even offer more boot space. The main area where you see that (soon to be obsoleted) dual strategy is in the transmission tunnel and lack of a frunk. But: the tunnel is used for extra battery. And what they have done well is a focus on drag coefficient for better range at speed -they have always cared about but have done even better here, though its Cd of 0.26 it still lags tesla's 0.23. Anyhow, car ordered -let's see how it works, and how good BMW are at keeping the software up to date.
So just because you think Musk is wrong on his assessment that only high resolution radar might be a good addition to vision for autonomous driving you prefer the BMW even though it's worse on all levels including, oh irony, autopilot features? You have not noticed the FSD Beta evolution the last year? That there are now thousands of Tesla's driving almost flawlessly on its AI and vision-only approach with not one single other competitor in sight that will be able to solve autonomous driving in every situation?
His comparison is on the RWD Model Y with LFP battery. Not the AWD Model Y with NCM battery.
You also have to ask, will BMW exist in 3 years.
Yes it will, as most countries will still have ice vehicles on sale till 2030 and to many of the hardcore fans they will hold off from buying an EV until they absolutely have to.
Let’s face it we all know there are better cars out there than bmw but, people still pay more for that badge, I have always been a bmw fan, the comfort, handling, performance and sound have always been bang on, many will even buy the bmw EVs to keep that familiarity.
some countries still don’t have a good enough charging infrastructure everywhere, uk included, to entice ice drivers over to EVs.
I'd say 6-13 years is more realistic
But for all automobile companies, each one of them is playing Russian roulette, and even if they all switch to EVs that does not guarantee that they will have the same percentage of market share or exist at all when that happens
I definitely opt for BMW iX1 M. Waiting for it…
When it comes to an EV, Tesla is great with the ‘E’ bit, but not even close to BMW with the ‘V’ bit.
Totally agree
Ingenious final words th more evs th better
Does Volkswagen use LFP BATTERIES in the latest ID3?
Does VW still make the ID3?
Can you even get an electric BMW?
I ordered an i40 waited 6 months and was told it wasn’t going to be shipped until sometime in ‘23 and was going to cost more.
So I gave up and got a model y.
No mention of parking sensors, yeah a big deal with Tesla now.
Of course, you get ultrasonic sensors in BMW, front radar, and cameras for security reasons. 360* camera view, better adaptive headlights, adaptive dumpers with driving styles, HuD, Android Auto/Car play support and we can go on.
Why did not you mention any of this? Because then it is pretty hard to convince anyone about Teslas superiority. If you want electric car with the best charging you have to look at Kia / Hyundai nowadays.
Does the IX1 have a front trunk? Or is it also fully stuffed liked all the other german BEVs?
Nope, no frunk again, poor use of space.
They stupidly have ALL no Frunk completely ignoring charging cables. Super idea when you go on vacation with your car and have to charge at expensive fast chargers or unpack your car every time. They really do not understand the potential of the EV that are a different philosophy. BMW tried once a little to early and did not continue with what they should have learned already from the i3 experience. This project only costed money as the also failed i8. Then the bookkeepers and the badest of all designers had the say. Cars looking now like heavily made up old ladies and lost all charms of former models that I liked. Audi cannot deliver in less than 14 months, Mercedes desperately sells the EQC, A and B trying new look with EQE with is mediocre from the start. Friends, definition of ‚luxury‘ now changes fast. So I prefer a brand with young people realizing new ideas, such as Hyundai Group witch changed their image in just one generation to outstanding from formerly just cheap and reliable. This is the only serious comparison offering other USP‘s than Tesla. 😎😜
@@Lifecoach7Ra *Heavily made up old
Ladies*
So true 😂
it has no FRUNK :p
This is the most biased comparison I’ve seen in some time. The BMW price quoted is for the base TWO MOTOR ALL WHEEL DRIVE. The Tesla is not. For additional security of AWD, and a weight penalty of only 100kg…? The other thing that really stuck out to me is that this was designed as an ICE, and thus has a drive tunnel. Well, no it does not. For an ICE vehicle, the entire floor, skateboard, is 100% BEV. It has only a tiny tunnel toward the front of the vehicle where power, cooling, is routed. Funnily enough, this is very common for vehicles designed EXCLUSIVELY as BEV’s. Tesla continues to have qc and fit and finish issues. This is much improved, yoy. I’ve a 3LR in the drive and it is not at BMW level.There is more. Sam, this is just a Tesla add. I hope your “check” from them clears quickly. Just do better.
Yes, he should have compared the BMW to the Model Y longrange 4WD. That would be even more devastating to BMW. 5s 0-60, 217kmh, 533km WLTP, 250kW loader,. 57K Euro.
@@vic321344 € 68k in Netherlands, where is it 57K euro?
@@cpeegberts2030 On the german Tesla page.
@@cpeegberts2030 Maybe you looked up the performance model. In germany the 4WD longrange costs 57k.
Being driving i3 for the past 6 years, never have to worry about the quality control issues. Despite that i3 has a tiny 33kwh battery pack which only charges to 100%, I saw a 5% battery degredation since it was new. And am I willing to give up the head up display, premium build quality, apple carplay, and more secure ultraband digital key intergrited digital key plus with a large iPad on wheels? I am afraid not.
if you like the BMW x1 - get the entry model, 56k its pretty good value for that price.
At least in Europe Teslas can’t read speed limit signs and apply speed limit.
Teslas get far noisier at higher speeds.
Tesla service is understaffed and undertrained. Max Autopilot Speed of Tesla is 150km/h and BMW is 210km/h.
Tesla service does not give you a loaner when your need repair. You get Uber credits.
No Android Auto or Apple CarPlay in a Tesla.
Teslas do not let you easily switch the car’s SIM card.
I know the Audi Q4 is not available in Australia and probably until 2024 but it will be good to compare an Audi like the Q4 against the model Y
Build.d quality of the BMW, every time.
Just to clearify about the facts
- BMW have two electric motors while Tesla model Y have only one in the back
- Tesla model y peaks at 170 kWh not 200 kWh
- I am Tesla model 3 owner and the build quality can’t even be compared to BMW. In fact my Tesla have been in service more than 7 times during 3 years.
Yes, he should have compared the BMW to the Model Y longrange 4WD. That would be even more devastating to BMW. 5s 0-60, 217kmh, 533km WLTP, 250kW loader,. 57K Euro.
When you own a BMW you would be very very lucky for just only 7 services in 3 years.
@@vic321344 true but that would make the Tesla model Y much more expensive at least in my country.
Already owned one and I had only 1 service appointment in 3 years
@@jokertv2596 They key word is "3 years" Y/3 build quality has been improved by a lot in the 2022 and 2021 models compared to 2019. A Shanghai model 3/Y are almost on par with BMW now and Berlin model Y slightly surpasses BMW.
Very useful. Thanks. Ride and noise levels are important too though. They're certainly not great in the Y. I wonder if the IX1 is any better? Then there's Carplay/Android auto in the IX1, while the Y offered things like Sentry mode, much better voice control (if the i4 is anything to go by), and a while lot more. The choice isn't as clear-cut as it might appear.
In EU, prices are equal. Also, no one mentions in review interior quality. For me, bmw interior is much more pleasant than tesla
See the bonnet dimensions in front of the car? That one is a "go away" sign for me...
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The Tesla is a rattle box
The iX1 suspension is also much better
You can not compare the exterior and interior quality at all ⚠️
There are several features which are only offered by the BMW: HUD, 2 screens, cloth or leather seats, adaptive suspension and more
obviously the winner is BMW.
HUD, better interior design, better audio system, dual screen, better brand, longer history, SUV, nicer seats, more friendly UI and many more
The BMW is a great EV... for 2018
What does it for me is that the iX1 is a proper car inside and out. The Tesla does not tickle me at all - super boring and mood killing interior. And that 0-100 thing is a useless BS sales pitch. The only down side to the BMW is the range and charging, but to be honest, all EVs have these problems compared to the convenience of refilling an ICE. Needs to be fixed, or perhaps H2 car tech can be improved enough to provide the benefits of both EVs and ICEs.
I test drove the new 2024 iX1, it's really great. I have owned bmw for over a decade. Never one issue whatsoever. They really are the best in the world. Yes, excellent customer service. However I will either go with Highland or Juniper because it gives new experience, bigger screen and more active safety monitoring.
For me, there is also only one clear winner. The Model Y is - to me - so ugly both inside and out, that I would never buy one...
9:10 BMW has a also s good autonomous driving system? In what parallel world?
At in under a minute into your video I wrote this comment and I said to myself model Y. I can't believe how there are people out there who can afford to buy these cars, yet don't seem to have the ability to do their own research to find out which is the best vehicle ... But hey I guess they watch videos like this one to guide them. ... things that's better about the BMW than the Model Y... Possibly sound deadening and suspension.. that's all I can think of.
BMW has better ground clearance. Tesla's clearance is like an ICE sedan
Some facts about the BMW that you overlooked however: 1. It’s 4WD!, 2, it has all the driver assistance (park and reverse assist) standard, 3, It has run flat tyres, 4), Adaptive suspension, 5), It is much not a little faster (1.5 secs faster to 100, 6) It comes with 3 years of free fast charging via Charge Fox.
This was not a fair comparison I don’t think
and if u see both of them for real: the Y looks like a massive tank, such an ugly beast to park in big cities... the 12pct smaller makes a massive difference especially if u live in Europe
@@dnap1991 Thats laughable.
Few other facts overlooked in this video. As standard (no extra cost) on the iX1, you get:-- (1)any metallic colour (2)19" wheel choices (3)interior colours (4)interior trims (5)x-line or m-sport trims (6)8 year battery warranty (7)3 yr subscription for RTTI traffic info and map upgrades (8)both domestic and public charging cables.
By the time you customise the Tesla Y with colour and interior colour, its only about $8K cheaper in drive away price.
Also, boot size is incorrect. The iX1 has claimed 490L and the petrol X1 has 550L. So consider that its a lot harder to carry bulkier items with sloped roof.
I’m a BMW driver and had been planning to go Tesla next year, I think EV is the way to go and appreciate the role Tesla has played in changing how the world works. However, I am starting to change my mind, in that I see Tesla saying you get what we give you, despite raising prices in what is clearly a luxury price bracket. Here are my problems with Tesla: no heads up display (I use this a lot - school zones etc), no apple car play - use it a lot, would like a screen behind the steering wheel, limited colours, read Tesla removed radar and now ultrasonic sensors as cost reductions, read reviews that resulting cruise control and camera blind spots are an issue. A pattern of providing bare basics while demanding luxury price. Hopefully China will fill that void. Would really like a convertible EV but no one seems to be rushing to fill that arguably small segment.
Well Teslas "luxury price" is still 10 k under the BMW standard price. The BMW gets luxurious when you add 20k to the baseprice.
Polestar 6 will be convertible in 2026, I’ve also seen patent images of an MG ev convertible, which should be quite cheap
Definitely drive both of them before you decide. I have been a BMW fanatic for the past 25 years but cannot see past Teslas. BMW refuse to go all in on EVs and as a result you get an ICE car with batteries crammed into it. Also there is zero servicing required on Teslas. I had to service my own BMWs to dodge the stratospheric labour rates at BMW. I did a major service on my Model 3 yesterday; topped up the washer fluid & rotated the wheels.
In 54 years I had many German luxury cars from BMW and Mercedes. Now since three years I was looking for an electric not so streamlined as Tesla, because I‘m also used to HUD and my wife has problems with any LCD-screen. I was on reservation list at Nissan for the Ariya which came close but the company is a mess in communication. Not one information in nearly to years!! So I had to go for something more serious and not in financial trouble. All Germans I was looking at where outdated, boring ICE conversions and definitely no one has a frunk and technology looking like handmade, ugly prototypes. So Mercedes decided that customers should not open the motor compartment. Then at a fair in Milano I saw the revelation and all my dreams came true. The EV6 from Kia and to some degree also the IONIQ 5 of Hyundai using the fabulous E-GMP 800 volt architecture similar to the Porsche Taycan playing in another league. Charging up to 240 kWh, 10-80% in 18 min., officially 325 PS, mine was measured with 333 PS and 608 Nm at 50 % SOC. It’s time to say goodby to my formerly beloved German cars costing me always a fortune for some little servicing. Don’t ask when really something got wrong. But it was ‚prestige‘ among otherwise silly neighbors to impress them. Now people ask me to lend me 💵 when I come with the Kia. But if they look closer they see a completely new kind of luxury car. The Hyundai group so far is the first legacy that changed in one generation. I have driven the car for 6500 km with a total average of 16,3 kWh witch is for from any German brand and definitely very near #1 Tesla, and don’t forget they had their first successful EV back in 2010. About the time when Nissan was still strong and brought the Leaf the never really could improve. So time has come to look differently at things and make your own decision. Don’t listen what your dealership is telling you.
@@vic321344 indeed I hate these comparisons between apples and pears. If I need AWD I want it, if I like some knobs also and if I want HUD then this is set. But then add everything from the list in your German brand that Teslas and Kias or Hyundais already include. You get just a similar EQE 350+ to my EV6 AWD at DOUBLE the price all included. So forget about base price you never will drive such a car only because a brand once had a good reputation. It’s same with Nokia when Apple came into play. Would you still by a Nokia because you had Good experience in the past? Do you think these people care for YOU? It’s just your money and I give my money to someone who gives me real value. Brands become exchangeable and rebadged offers more and more common. The more China invests in old brands e.g. Volvo, Polestar, MG, Lotus, Aston-Martin etc.
If I'm spending that kind of money I want an interior I actually like and I just can't stand the ultra minimalist Tesla interior. I don't turn into a grouchy old man over much, but I will over physical buttons lol. That being said I'd prefer the Cadillac Lyriq over either of these in this price range.
Not having knobs for climate control is a pain. But I got used to using voice activation or pulling the gear stock twice before operating the screen for climate control.
@@lastminutesolutions No thanks, gimme the knobs or buttons (at least for climate and volume) or not buying the car.
Qadillaq should be produced in volume by 3023.
Im currently doubting between the two. I drive a model 3 today. Im afraid the digital experience will be a downgrade.
But the premium interior of BMW is nice. Unfortunately crazy price as soon as you select some options.
I had a model 3 now model y company car. Result: In all non electric related properties of car building Tesla comes not even close to established brands: Wipers only working until 130 km/h prperly, poor plastic interior, suspension is a joke in comparison to my mercedes and bmw, the usage of the touch screen during driving is really bad, the rear lights were filled with water, the light is very bad compared to actual high quality matrix light, the trunk open mechanism already had to be changed, actually tesla decided to shut off both left and right cameras if you go backwards, the speed limit recognition does not function at all, etc etc (i checked this information with friends also having a tesla). So if you actually would like to spend your money right I recommend buying a Kia EV 6 or Hyundai Ioniq 5 or 6. Next year In the premium sector I recommend Audi A6 e-tron or actually BMW IX, New Mercedes EQE or EQE SUV. But really after driving Tesla more than 150T km I can only say that the Supercharger network is their only advantage.
Are all Aussie model y’s LFP?
the standard range out of China or Germany is but not the performance
I second that having driven both Tesla and BMW, the BMW is still the best and most fun car I have driven. They make great cars and I am very pleased to see what they have done. All it means is that when they do a pure electric platform it will be even better. BMW will not be one of teh car makers that go broke in the switch to electric as the I series shows.
Even with all the Tesla advantages (and you missed the OTA updates that brings a new features to Teslas very often) the ride and build quality of the BMW can turn the tables for a lot of people :/ Tesla needs to step up their game on the suspension and put HUD as a standard at least :/
The name 'Rare Earth' is something of a misnomer, because most of them are not particularly rare. Lithium and Cobalt are not Rare Earth elements. The only place where you might find a Rare Earth element being used (in relatively small quantities) in a car is in the magnets within the motors, and that element is Neodymium.
The Tesla economist pointed out that BMWs, Audi’s, and Mercedes actually have better performance in their gassers than in their electric vehicles.
IX1 can charge at 22kw? Woah I was already considering it iX1 but that could just seal it! Yes I have 3 phase wall box at home, a Gen 3 Tesla ironically. I also have an i4 40 and Model Y so I think I'm pretty well placed to judge. The BMW is of higher quality, however you look at it. Our model Y (and the Model 3 it replaced 3 months ago) is pretty good but they are already so common which I don't really like. Also the Tesla is 6.9s to 100kmh, and the BMW is 5.7 I believe. The one big thing you omitted (intentional?) to mention also is that the iX1 is AWD whereas the Model Y is RWD only. Makes a difference to some people
If you do like boring old men’s cars I already owned 54 years ago it‘s BMW, Mercedes and Audi but quality suffered as will tell you als Sandy Munro. Agree that Tesla on every corner becomes also somewhat boring especially when all your friends drive one and in fact there others out there who can afford such cars and like a perfect mix and perfect finition. You guess it definitely a car from the Hyundai Group, my EV6 AWD outpowers comparable BMW and Mercedes and has an 800 Volts system. There is no compromise at all and people change their mind quickly when they can drive in my car.😎🤫
Yes, he should have compared the BMW to the Model Y longrange 4WD. That would be even more devastating to BMW. Tesla; 5s 0-60, 217kmh, 533km WLTP, 250kW loader,. 57K Euro.
@@vic321344 Sorry, but whitch prices do you compare, with all included or bare, just to dive a BMW to ‚impress‘ neighbors? Get to the ground and check for the best mix, of course AWD if you need. Nobody cares for Nokia and Motorola if she/he gets the latest iPhone or naturally Samsung! 😎😜
@@Lifecoach7Ra With Tesla there is not much to buy extra. In contrast to BMW, where you have to pay extra for every little gadget.
@@vic321344 so do never compare 🍏with 🍋 just because some told you a brand is good. Eg if you go for Kia the brand was known for cheap and reliable, best in J.D. Powers. Now would you buy a Kia in the German might once be upper class and still pay less all included. Time is also over to define yourself by a brand. Hyundai Group, Nissan, Fisker and many other create a new responsible luxury using recycled materials that look good and feel good. Well naturally I miss the smell of real british leather in my first Austin-Healey but that is 54 years away. I also had once the first IBM 360 on over 150 square feet and now my iPhone can do more than 100 times as much. Where is IBM now?
What about CarPlay? Has Tesla adopted it yet?
I heard there are applications, allowing you to connect with CarPlay
correction. the x1 has a 510 litre boot and the ix1 has 490 litre boot.
We had a Mercedes EQC for nearly two years and recently changed to a MYP. I would never again buy an EV which is based on an ICE car. They weigh a lot more - drive onto someones lawn in a 2.5 tonne EQC and see what happens, therefore are less efficient because they are lugging more weight, are less space efficient - much smaller boot, no frunk, big transmission tunnel front and rear. Felt like a heavy slug to drive compared to the MY. Less range, slower, more expensive - the German premium EVs that is. No Tesla charging network. No contest imho!
Tesla motors are brushless; good for 1 million miles. BMW motors use old school brushes so they are less efficient, but allow you to keep up traditions and spend money on services at the dealer when brushes wear out. As a result, the drivetrain warranty on the BMW is 3 years; every Tesla it’s 8 years.
No. Nor BMW or anyone else are using brushed motors. They use either permanent magnet motors or induction motors. Both brushless and both having pros and cons. BMW iX1 use induction motors. Less China dependent than the PM motors Tesla currently use.
@@Flatseas No, they are brushed my friend. Look it up, you can actually see pictures of their motors with a commutator and a brush either side of it. 👍🏼
@@ChromeFlakes From BMW iX1 datasheet: Fifth-generation BMW eDrive technology: electrically excited synchronous motors, power electronics and two-stage single-speed transmission sharing the same housing, generator function for recuperating energy. So no brushes as in brushed DC motors. But slip rings on shaft. Would be great if it was iEESM. But likely just EESM. If they last half the time of a Tesla motor I´m OK.
@@Flatseas “To overcome these obstacles, BMW is making use of cutting-edge sealant technology to extend the lifespan of its brushed motors by encapsulating them in an enclosure which eliminates dust contamination inside the stator and wiring from the brushes making contact with the commutator.” This is an excerpt from BMW’s fifth generation motors explained. If you go to this motor trend article the 5th picture down (not including adverts) is a close up of the brushes? I agree with you, if they can last 500k miles before needing changing then that’d be acceptable. They may not even wear out a the same rate on the front/rear motors.
I’ve got the ice X1 and while it’s a great car, the new ix1 is more complicated to the user, the ix1 does not have the IDrive wheel for navigating the infotainment system so it’s more like the Tesla, having the A/C, heated seats etc all in the screen which is not as easy to use on the move, I do prefer the buttons on the steering wheel for ease of use but that is not something that justifies the greater price of the bmw, the ix1 has been said to be like a Chinese EV with a German price tag, being as there are so few actual German parts on it.
If I had to choose 1 of them I’d take the Tesla in a heartbeat, and that’s me saying it from bmw fanboy perspective.
Interesting point: "so few actual German parts." Here in Canada, my creators drive a C300 M-B with an amazing percentage of Chinese parts: fuses? Why bother? (The car has 3+ fuseboxes). On the back of most parts is stamped "Made in China." Upshot? Docs ain't buyin' another "German car."
You are confused with the iX3 which is produced in China, and therefore is refered to as a Chinese car. Have not yet heard anyone say it about the iX1.
@@MM-tt7hy the ix1 is a generic x1 x2 chassis sent to China for assembly work and electrification, no different to the ix3 to be fair, the ix3 was the first followed by the ix1 simply to get the extra tax credits and that it’s the smallest of the lineup but, with such a markup on it I can’t see it selling half as many as the ice X1 that was a surprise fan favourite for those unable to meet the cost of an X5 or X3.
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck i really can’t blame German fans for moving away from so-called German vehicles being as so much of them comes from China now yet the German price tag remains, they need to pass on the savings to the customers to maintain their once unwavering loyalty of the brands.
In Europe BMWs can be serviced anywhere and keep their warranties, likewise they can be charged at Tesla power stations.
On paper the Model Y is “better”. But it’s missing quite a few things … poor ergonomics on front seats (the headrests are horrible for a car of any price), no regen settings (and the factory setting is not particularly great), harsh suspension (though might be fixed in 2023), Tesla has gone too far to be different (particularly no speedo in front of driver, that’s just ridiculous), pretty bad craftmanship ship (yes, better than the S and X my family has owned, but still bad), and steering rack excessively quick (for some reason many Tesla fans equate fast steering rack to “sportiness”). I could change the front seat out to an aftermarket one, but I can’t change the steering rack nor override the regen intensity that I don’t like. The steering rack and regen (and frankly the poor front seats) are frustrating for me as a driver. They affect the amount of effort I need to put in to give my family members a comfortable ride. But yes, the Model Y has more space
I did drive both and I would go for the BMW iX1 for many reasons, to name a few, real 360camera, no phantom breaking, in mid and upper europe, after summer, damp conditions are the rule and getting a clear view through windows takes seconds in the BMW and takes ages in the Tesla. Comfort, the Tesla drives very sporty, which is nice, but for family and if you really like the choice between comfort and sport, BMW is your only option. Efficiency, though the BMW is build on ICE platform, it was as efficient as the Tesla, how they did it, beats me … Build quality and noise levels, BMW. The only point is Tesla has is booth space, but the BMW has enough for me. Anyway I traded my Model X for an iX and I’m happy every time I step in the iX …
BMW is not nearly as efficient as a Model Y. Even if you compare the BMW IX1 with the Model Y 4WD longrange.
Are you for real?
Perhaps a BMW “bot”.
No one leaves Tesla for an alternative product.
Once you’ve crossed Europe using superchargers … you wouldn’t want to try it with a bunch of apps, a handful of different leads and credit cards on the Ionity/BP / Other shitshow …..
@@vic321344 On paper you are correct but in reality I had the same average consumption. My Model X Raven 2020 was as efficient as my current model iX but, the Model X was on 20 inch wheels on 22 it was less efficient then my iX on 22! So my Model X needed to be on 20 inch wheels to be AS EFFICIENT as the BMW iX, in real world driving. Frankly I never thought that would be the case, I solde the Model X because of all the little and not so little quirks I had … I missed the “German“ quality (Yes I know the EV’s from Germany have their growing pains as well, but I thought Tesla would have mastered them by now, I was wrong)
@@maxflight777 I charge my BMW iX with my old Tesla App, frankly the car is so efficient and has a big battery I only charge at home and sometimes at work … For road tripping I can use the Tesla app or the BMW charge card, it works on all major networks and as a bonus it also works on most of the destination chargers, which I never could with the Tesla app. When on holiday in France I can charge in every little village with that card, I see Tesla owners driving 50 Km’ to a super charger when on holiday … they never thought of activating a card that could use all those 22kw AC or 50 kw DC chargers …quite hilarious.
thanks for the practical comparison Yves, very useful!
Ordered iX1, will sell Model Y Standard. I'm ok to sacrifice some interior space for a slightly quicker car, heads up display, instrument cluster, a normal glovebox and better voice recognition.
Model Y compares with the iX3 more actually.
I agree.. though of course there are the people that will feel better buying BMW than Tesla. Different target audiences on the edges.. lots of overlap of course. Glad to see others making something that isnt just crap though. Tesla gonna sell 20% of vehicles by 2030.. somebody has to be making the other 80%.
Great job 👏 I don’t think German cars have a frunk
To my knowledge no BMW has a frunk. BMW compromised it right out of existence.
@@vermontsownboy6957 The greatest engineers in the world decided, that a front without an engine and a transmision has immediatelly to be filled with other unnessary stuff.
Definitely NO!
No frunk? No FRUNKENSTEIN!!!!!!!
My BMW i3S have a frunk 😊
A couple of points; The Tesla software is VASTLY superior, there is no discussion to be had here and also nobody ever talks about the fact that the Tesla can be controlled using voice commands, hundreds of them.
if u want superior software, then go for the megane etech: 1000 times better software than tesla, no problem reading speed signs in Europe unlike tesla etc
@@dnap1991 Renault better than Tesla. 😂😂😂
@@shuriken4852 there is an absolute consensus on this point, like it or not ALL serious reviews rate it top notch, of course it uses google automotive but also the in house is super stable, much nicer to use then tesla (and adapts to carplay etc) and better when it comes to driving assistance. Just try one u ll be surprised
Yust have a look at the build quality, thats why I bought the iX1…👍, also the Tesla customer service in my country is almost a laugh.
Model Y is ugly as hell, that’s a very good reason to buy something else.
it is a very complicated comparison...
BMW ix1 has a better build quality (the difference is very high), the ride is more comfortable, the car looks better (let's be honest, tesla model Y is ugly) and the customer service is miles better, with 5 years of free maintainance and 5 years of warranty here in my country...
On the other hand, the tesla model y has a lot more range (I mean, A LOT, in my test drives I've calculated around 26% more range), it is significantly cheaper (US$10k less), it has more boot space and also frunk space, has 20+% more top speed (217km,/h vs 180km/h), the LFP battery... but it is so big and bulky... I don't know man... hard choice
Build quality. Plus pricing is market dependent. Here (continental Europe) the BMW costs much less than the Tesla
The 4.5 meter long is the ideal length for a car.
But if the price is high no regular people will buy it.
Their actually not really comparable. The RWD Tesla is roughly the same range and a bit lower price but much slower. The long range Tesla is higher priced and has the same speed but longer range. The performance Tesla is crazy.
I bought the BMW. It is a way better car. The interior is far more beautiful. The argument of it's boot being smaller than the petrol one is true b*s*, because it concerns only space under the floor covering. Who uses that, really?
The design of BMW's often prove to be timeless, whereas the Tesla already looks a bit bland and dated. In the BMW the setup is better (it's an AWD with the speed that goes with it, without the unnecessary large battery pack the AWD Tesla comes with), and its being built close to my home. Finally BMW scores highest on sustainability DJSI. For me the BMW was a no-brainer.
Did I mention the BMW is way more beautiful inside and out? ;-)
Well the Tesla only uses LFP if you buy outside of the USA .Very few if any standard range Tesla's being sold here.
Still as an EV the Tesla is ahead in most area's . The BMW interior is
much more luxurious and still think the Sport seats in the BMW are some of the best around , I have and E91 . I have heard the suspension
in the Y has been improved a lot in the last year. I can remember coming away from the Test Drive in the Y and noting how much
less stiff the suspension was in the BMW. I would like a heads up display in the Tesla and don't like the glass roof that much. Still I would buy
a Tesla Y for design and support reasons before I would go near another BMW . A smaller version of the Zeeker 001 would be cool.
2022 model Y has surpassed X3 in suspension. Have seen a recent video from an owner of both.
Tesla mesure the boot up to the roof while most automaker, at least in Europe, up to the cover - if you compare with Skoda Enyaq you would be lead to believe there is a huge difference between the two but if you check Bjorn Nyland banana box there’s almost no difference - do not believe marketing lies
A lot of those arguments are pretty close calls really, but in terms of styling the Tesla will always lose. 5 years ago the jelly mould look made Teslas stand out from the crowd, now they just look awful. And in that time they haven't evolved at all. If Tesla revamped their design team and offered more than bland wind tunnel cars they might be onto something, but for now there's just too much good competition from established brands with great build quality and more varied aesthetics.
If BMWs didn't have such an oversized bonnet (pretty useless in an EV btw), nobody would even think to put these in the same segment as the Y, size-wise. The iX1 is a substantially smaller car, both exterior and interior.
It's like comparing a Skoda Karoq and a Volvo XC60. Especially considering the fact BMW-buyers are usually brand-loyal types, I really don't see these two sharing much of a market segment.
Don't take this the wrong way if you own one, but the iX1 is simply an EV made for people who want to buy a BMW, on an X3 budget, and an EV, but don't want to or can't pay for an iX3 That's probably literally what went trough BMW's executives heads when they decided to stick an electric motor in an X1. Not "let's compete with the Y".
On a BMW the colour of the panels will match and it will have less rattles. But nowhere to charge it.
I think the most significant difference in favour of BMW is the excellent suspension, steering and handling, noise insulation, quality of materials, build quality and overall reliability, no?
No mention of the Tech in the cars, OTA Updates and constant rapid development and all of Tesla's EV Engineering know how to build these cars, make them perform and be efficient, I like BMW, but having now owned (still own it) a Tesla M3P, unlikely I will ever go back to BMW now, at least until they stop talking about Hydrogen being the future and build a proper EV ground up platform. Also know people who have the iX, fabulous car, but software is buggy.
I tested both Cars:
Plus points of the Tesla are:
1. cool glass roof
2. super performant
3. lots of storage space
4. good range
5. perfect service in Bielefeld!
I don't like at Tesla:
1. space feeling of a van
2. miserable road holding
3. bad chassis
4. plastic seats are an imposition
5. bad "tablet" control concept
6. no head-up display!
7. it rattles at every corner
8. fiddly buttons on the steering wheel
9. loud!
10. overall not thought through to the end.
Overall, I am extremely disappointed with the Tesla and have opted for the more expensive BMW iX1. This vehicle is in a completely different league!
Will BMW be still around in 5 years ?
It would be a better comparison with the upcoming IX3 vs Y. IX1 is a C Segment SUV. Not an apple to apple comparison.
If you compare them pricewise, it is.
@@vic321344 Viking compares a premium, dual motor nmc BMW to single motor, mainstream lfp car. Right now this is the only BMW IX1 model. Cheaper variants will also come.
@@muratipek32 Right , he should have compared it to the dual motor longrange Model Y. Just more devastating for the BMW.
@@vic321344 Yes, but one is C SUV and the other one is D SUV. And built quality, materials choice are way different. I'm not a badge snob, but there''s a certain level of quality difference between these two.
@@muratipek32 For me efficiency, range, speed, charging, accelleration, software, charging stations are the main quality points for a BEV. I leave the rest to the leathersnobs.
And what really defines build quality? That you have to shlepp around 400kg surplus weigth and a fully stuffed front withou a frunk? While there is no more ICE engine and transmission in it?
You really can’t compare these cars without driving them. I’ve driven the Y RWD: to me it feels cumbersome like a boat and I wouldn’t buy one. It’s also quite a lot bigger than I want or need. The iX1 is a touch too big and kinda heavy, but neither Tesla nor any of the premium Euro brands is offering a smaller car yet. We’ll be driving the iX1 as soon as it lands land here to see if we like it. Note that I like the Model 3, drives far better than the Y, but want a hatch/SUV rather than a sedan.