Spyderco Para 3 Lightweight CPM SPY27 - Overview and Steel Discussion - What is SPY27?
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I kind of have to disagree with you when you say the maxamet is not the knife for the typical everyday user who knows little to nothing about sharpening ONLY because if you truly use the knife and ALL of its benefits (ie. Spyderco sharpening them) then you can essentially buy and use whatever you want and just let them sharpen the knives that they made....
Ya but the typical every day user definitely isn't putting the knife through its intended paces. And if they somehow accidentally damage the edge in the process, they won't be able to sharpen it without proper equipment, so they'll have to send it to Spyderco, which isn't necessarily convenient. On top of that, it isn't anywhere near stainless. Anyone who lives in an environment that causes blades to corrode more quickly won't have a use for it at all.
I love Spyderco for doing so much experimentation with steels.
So long as it's not another friggin Sprint Run... than all the flippers buy up the allocation and the price goes up on the grey market.
alwong604 Sprints and exclusives are what allow for just such variety though. No way they could keep up all the variety with everything being regular production.
^this^ 👍👍
@@KnifeCursed i just wish they would make some more runs of certain sprints everynow and again. i dont hate sprints it just sucks when scalpers get most of them and jack up the price
@@kratoids It does suck when you miss a sprint/exclusive that you really want. That said, they always pop up on secondary market, sometimes not even at a particularly high markup.
I tend to lean more toward the toughness attribute in my work knives. I’m a reasonably competent sharpener, but I don’t particularly enjoy it so my philosophy is to never let them get really dull in the first place and have come to prefer steels that I can more easily maintain an edge on by just stropping them back fairly quickly.
I really like my SPY27 Para-3. Thanks for the video!
I have this knife with a set of titanium scales from blades we love and it has become my favorite and most carried knife. Love it!!!
Until I started sharpening myself, I used to look into steels that would hold an edge really long before I had to pay someone and send it out to have sharpened. Now that I sharpen my own knives I really appreciate the ease of sharpening aspect. I will certainly trade some edge retention for toughness and ease of sharpening haha. So far I have sharpened AEB-L, 20CV, S35VN, BD1N, and Elmax. I disliked S35VN the most, that knife had a chip and it sucked. I completely reprofiled the 20CV and that was easier to me. BD1N was the easiest, but I would say for a higher end steel, the Elmax was my favorite to sharpen so far. This sounds like it would be a nice EDC steel for sure.
I don’t care much for sharpening s35vn either. My favorites that balance retention and ease/satisfaction of sharpening are Hap40 and 52100. M4 is really great too, just takes a little longer unless you have some really tough stones to use. I hope they do more in 52100, that steel is great.
Interesting, I got a KME with diamond stones recently, so I went through and sharpened a bunch of my knives in a row. A couple in S30V, S110V, Maxamet, VG-10, D2 and S35VN, most were pretty easy, but one of the S35VNs was a real bear, took much longer than it seemed like it should. I assumed it was just the blade profile, but maybe S35VN is also a bit harder sharpening than I had assumed.
What was your experience with AEB-L sharpening? Thanks.
@@dinodiaz3532 I have two custom kitchen knives in AEB-L they are pretty thin behind the edge so it doesn’t take much to get them sharp again on my WE with diamond stones. If my wife didn’t toss them in the sink like a butter knife it would be much easier lol. Though I do not know what hardness these are at. I know some heat treat AEB-L pretty hard.
I just knew you'd have a vid talking about this steel haha. Thanks for that!! Since I gifted my dad the LW native 5 s110v in August I've missed that lock back a lot, it fits my larger hands perfectly with the fwd choil. I just got the native 5 spy27. Rock on! 🤘🏼⚔🍻
The pocket clip on mine was loose and crooked, I assume because the screw head is too small and when I went to tighten it the screw just kept spinning because the D shape in the FRN gave way to the metal screw. Is there an aftermarket pocket clip that comes with screws that can be held with a tool on both ends so I can tighten it?
Just bought one, going to be my first folding knife, excited to get it.
Picking one up... After the latest reveal I'm also hoping we see a Green LC200N Salt Para 3 LW.
My Manix LW with Spy27 has become one of my favorites and my only complaint is its riveted construction. I would love to be able to take the knofe apart for maintenance. I may need to see if there is a service available to have the knife converted to traditional screws.
What are your thoughts on rex 45
Thanks for review!
Do you think they'll make a pm2 in spy27
Just bought a Para3 LW as EDC w/CTSBD1N...should be fine for my everyday use. Like the FRN on this one, though would prefer G10 and others on higher-end options. Will sharpen myself. Good to know that Spyderco is evolving their steel usage. 👍🔪
Agreed. I think many of us fall into that trap when we break into the knife multiverse. Coming from unspecified stainless steel, we see S110V for the first time and think it is the end-all of steel. I bought a PM2 in S110V years ago, then never considered it again.
And I’m so disappointed in the super fine cutting of ALL the s110v steels…there are many other lower level super steels that are alien sharp…s100v is frankly disappointing
Have a par3 in bd1n and spy 27. Looking to get the manix 2 LW in spy 27. Favorite Knife to carry para 3 lightweight, favorite steel right now bench made s30v on a 550. But I also have a d2 on a Kershaw that holds a great working edge. I am old enough & went to hillbilly high that I hade a knife sharping class in school. Best class in high school. Para 3 better slicer. 550 really nice edge retention.
I’m considering getting another LW in SPY27 I love the lightweight just as much as the regular version and actually really like the base BD1-N steel on mine but I’m interested in trying this stuff out
Out of all the knives I’ve owned in my life, probably in the thousands by now I can say my most favorite blade steel is Cruwear. I have the PM2 “Cru-carts” version and I swear it gets better and better and better with every cut and I can not wait for Spyderco to drop another batch of the Manix 2 in cruwear because I ain’t missing it this next go around!!! I wouldn’t mind getting a SPY27 Manix 2, but I don’t know squat about it and that’s what brought me to this video.
How is the blade centering on your blue lightweight para 3 spy? mine is somewhat off center but am reading that's more characteristic with the lightweight models. Thoughts?
@@HellGatefr2 Oddly, mind centered itself with use! Nbd either way. It'd been the perfect size, weight, etc. for EDC pocket carry. Only thing that's showing some play now is the wire clip. Looking at throwing an after market one on from Lynch.
It would be cool if spyderco would replace their vg10 and ctsbd1n with this spy27.
I believe they are going to be using SPY27 as their base steel now
I think that it is going to replace s30v if they get positive feedback. It is most likely going to be higher end than vg10 or bd1n so those will probably stay on their more budget minded models.
normal1972 aw that makes more sense
What normal said
It's fucking amazing pardon my 🍟. But it is. OMG I'm so happy 🤩. Lives up to the hype for sure. Unfortunately only 3 models utilize it.
I just like the blue.
I don't disagree with anything you said about the SPY27 produced for Spyderco, I would just add that it also makes it a lot easier for Spyderco to ensure adequate steel stock from Crucible, considering it's proprietary. They don't have to compete with other companies for S30V/S35VN if they have their own steel.
It’s a few years later n they not got it in g10 handles.. thinking about it getting it n slapping some lynch scales on ❤
Now we need a Paramilitary 2 Light Weight 🎉. Also Larrin did a great analysis of SPY27 and it's a great modified alloy that Crucible did for Spyderco very comparable to the S30V, S45VN, and S35VN steel family where it holds it's own.
Similar to s30v but tougher?....I'm keen af lol.i used to looooove s30v until i snapped 3mm off the tip on my black para 3 ughhhh..hey does it hold a razor edge longer than s30?
My understanding is YES and I’m wanting to give the SPY27 Manix 2 or PM2 a shot.
I love the color of those scales. I want them in G10 for my Manix 2!
I heard Maxamet isn’t awful to sharpen if one uses very light strokes on a diamond rod Sharpmaker. Is that true?
Yes. Diamond. Light strokes? Idk.
Spyderco have some ingenious ways of basically getting you to re-buy what is basically S30v over and over and over again. The composition and heat treat of a steel makes a difference, but you can make a big difference too with what type of edge you put on your knife.
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@@spydercoslacker7466 I know. I watched the whole video. Trust me I am a sucker for trying new steels. The thing is I doubt that most of the people who buy Spy27 don't already own a dozen or more other knives in similar steel. Someone who just wants one knife will probably buy the BD1N or regular S30v Para 3.
Cedric and Ada brought this up kind of. We have to remember that some of the money generated from these "somewhat unnecessary" alterations/sprints etc type knives is used for projects and collaborations down the road that ARE actually interesting. In some ways, I can understand why it's necessary.
Let people buy what they want. Eventually it'll work out for the rest of us in one way or another.
@@metal_complex I wasn't knocking anyone. I buy the sprints too. Just saying Spyderco has mastered the art of making me buy the same thing over and over again.
The PM3 LW is a regular model, the spy27 releases are not sprint runs they have been in stock, sold out, and are showing coming soon for a restock FYI. Again, not a sprint run model!
Would you say this tops s30v? I love the advice you impart to people its always usefull. I think new things are needed so we can learn more.
Id like to know too
Me too
how in the world did i get by with my barlow knife in the middle of the last century. as kids we played a lot of mumbly peg which involved sticking the blade in the dirt with a good toss. this kind of ground the rust off the blade.
Is that knife still easily available?
Not at the moment. I'd imagine they'll come in waves.
I like this channel but I have to point out how funny it was that he said he prefers to have a tougher easier sharpening steel, instead of chasing edge retention......
This is my personal para 3 in g10 and maxamet hahaha. Not hating just humorous I have the same para 3 also and at the same time I also agree edge retention is not everything
If they would make it in CTS-XHP it would be a wet dream come true.
If you can snag a Cutlery Shoppe XHP Para 3 from eBay, you can swap the BD1N blade of the lightweight.
I have a maxamet para 3. Does not leave my pocket. It’s just a solid knife, top to bottom. I tried sharpening it myself with the sharp maker and ruined the edge. All in with insurance, cost me 15 dollars to send to spyderco, 5 dollar return shipping. About week and a half turn around. It’s worth it for me to have them sharpen this knife.
practice on swiss army knives(super cheap and soft steel so you get the feel) then get a dmt double stone foldable at home depot $19 this will sharpen any steel,please don't be afraid you cannot spend 20 everytime you need it sharpened
blue swan yeah I agree. And to be honest the spyderco sharpening they did isn’t really as sharp as I want it to be, but it works. I have a bunch of cheaper 8cr knives Ive been practicing with on my sharpmaker. I just need some diamonds for the maxamet. Ill give your suggestions a try. I wont be touching the maxamet on anything until I am super confident tho.
im also suck at freehand sharpening and always ruining the edge especially with the m390.. i buy the ruixin fixed angle sharpener for $20 few years ago with some aftermarket polishing stone, it get sharp and neat easily.. its not a perfect sharpener but it will maintain and angle when sharpening.. now i got a hapstone system that is more perfect.. dont trust your knife to be sharp using high speed belt sander or bench grind.. the spyderco and benchmade reshapen service that i had sent in before look like they been using belt sand.
I used to work sharp sharpener to sharpen mine and it worked pretty good a lot easier to use than the sharp maker
I am willing to get a SPY27 blade but would like it in a G10 scale and a solid clip. I can wait.
100% agreed sir 👍
Me too, I can’t stand the cheap feeling of frn!!
To me s35vn is already too soft,really like the color though
I have to critique one of your comments, but please don't take it the wrong way. You're not the only one who says this, but I really wish my point will come across in the spirit it is intended. A steel's "edge retention" comes from its hardness, its wear resistance, its corrosion resistance to some extent, and its toughness. And we also know that hardness directly contributes to wear resistance in combination with the carbide type, %, and distribution. You said at 3:07, "Edge retention is not the end all be all of a steel." I completely disagree with that statement. But I am 95% sure what you meant to say was "Wear resistance is not the end all...." I don't know about anyone else, but apart from corrosion resistance, which I usually don't care about, "edge retention" is EXACTLY what I would want any steel to have. A steel to "retain its edge". "Wear resistance is not the end all be all of a steel". Now that statement I fully agree with. Carry on!
amazing knife I love it and first 😜
I’m stuck between spy 27 and s30v help!!!!!
Any Benchmade in s30v is a better knife.
But they want you to bend over and they don’t use grease.
After chasing edge retention for years I have learned that s30v and s35vn are my favorite steels.
ive fallen in love with m390/20cv but I still love s30v/s35vn and would take either of them no question if I liked the rest of the knife.
I would suggest CTS-XHP is phenomenal and vastly underrated….i don’t know if its the edge geometry or whatever…but they are my sharpest out of the box Spyderco knives….including maxamet, s110v, and 20cv. Just my personal use opinion.
I carry the blackout para 3 lightweight but I have the rex45 version about to be on the way so I’ll see how that goes but u an I carry the para 3 maxamet with an mxg gear clip to.
It’s cool but I wouldn’t pay a premium for it. But I’m also not a steel snob. I guess I understand it from a collector stand point tho but I’m fine with S30V.
I don't think it has anything to do with collectability...my guess is that Spyderco is tired of competing with other companies for S30V/S35VN and got Crucible to make them a very similar steel that's a little easier to turn into their finished product...make the steel proprietary and no longer need to compete for steel allocations
m390 perfect steel
When I was in the military we were issued the basic belt rig webbing. We spent our hard earned cash on the coolest chest rig etc but we always went full circle and ended up back with the belt rigs although slightly improved. I feel the same with steels . I’m now favouring simpler steels that are tougher and easier to sharpen. I’ve got no interest in steels that are silly hard to sharpen any more . Just my opinion.
I don’t know my thoughts on spyderco knifes I have a couple honestly it’s kinda overrated I think it’s a great knife but it’s not a special knife you know
Metal complex if you own knife cases can u say the best to have
The compression lock remains one of the best locks on the market for both fidget-ability and strength.
The spydie hole works perfectly for multiple one handed opening methods and one of the best with gloves on.
Spydercos arent the most attractive knives but there simply built and designed to work well for working men/women.
All that said, I wish spyderco would use more blade shapes, id love to see them use a sheepsfoot or spear point style blade on the para3
I went with the tried and true s30v. I’m going to eventually get spy27 in the manix damn it I’m getting sucked in.
After reading all the various articles about this steel, and watching/reading the few reviews I've been able to find.. I cant help buy ask, "why".
It 's like Spyderco was trying to fix an issue no one was having. I can't imagine that RD for a new steel is cheap, so why do it just to create something that's basically the same as something that already exists?
It feels like they did it JUST so they would have a new steel to make sprint runs of, and thus charge more for.
To most people who are into knives, the variation is more important than the steel itself. They want the ability to say they have something that will impress other knife nerds.
As someone who runs a channel that generates roughly 85,000 comments per year, I can tell you that isn't an accurate statement. Some people collect steel, some people collect a certain style or design, and some people just like knives. People who use knives for specialized tasks and make appropriate use of certain steels are also integrated within these groups. There are so many hybridizations of "knife people" that it's just not as simple as lumping people into a "need to impress" category.
What I’m saying is knife steels are so good these days, they care more about the rarity of a certain knife than the steel itself. There’s a reason why all of the sprint runs and exclusives are desirable and it’s not because they’re leaps and bounds better than the standard versions. It’s because they are rare. I’ll give you an example that’s right in front you. Spyderco could literally make up a name for steel. A steel that’s remarkably like a lot of other steels. Steels that the average user wouldn’t be able to discern between had its name not been printed on the blade. But knife users will cover it if it’s less available than general variations. One only has to search the web to know this is true. While you are a larger content provider, you aren’t the only one. I can countless videos on the internet 8-10 steel variations of one knife. And they cover the rarest versions above the standard versions. It’s human nature to want something that no one else has. I’m not ignoring that because you have a platform and feel differently. And appeals to authority aren’t a very good way to make someone else see your point. This is especially true when you appeal to yourself as the authority.
@@toddboone333 na sorry. This is just your perspective. What you're saying is true for some people, but you are limited to what you've witnessed within the community, and it seems like you're just reconfirming the same thing over and over. I thought the same way until I had a wider view of things. 85k comments / year is just way too much data to ignore.
I'm not the authority. I'm just someone who can see the broader picture now.
There 3 kinds of people. Some prefer their blades to roll, others prefer their blades to chip 😁
I guess the 3rd type of knife user would be the guy who STROPS the shit out of it after opening the mail.
I mean, keeps it WICKED shaap, matey!
If it’s exclusive to Spyderco, I’ll never get a chance to use it.
Once it hits their production models I will pick up a blade with it but their sprint runs sell out quickly.
personally i still prefer s35vn it’s relatively easy to sharpen and its tough as nails
For some reason i love m390.
I feel like thats all i need lol
I will say d2 is great but somehow it has become the ugly sister
Don't know this Spyderco scales and hw look so cheap... And that clip.... :(
Where is the read out link for the steel, and good god your description man sorry but it’s a mess Idk what you could do better with TH-cam politics but wow it’s like a restaurant menu that’s way to long
The link for the steel I can certainly add for you. As far as the structure of my description goes, the vast majority of my viewers are in favor of it because it helps them find new offerings sorted by popular brands, or my own personal favorites. Its been this way for over a year. Everyone who regularly watches is aware of it. Not trying to be rude, but it's definitely going to stay exactly the same.
Spyderco knives are just so ugly. I just can’t buy one.
I hated them until I tried one, especially the compression lock its easily one of the best lock styles for both fidget-ability and strength. and the spydie hole can be vary off putting when looking at spyderco knives, until you put one to use and release all the great ways it can be operated by one hand.
Spydercos arent the most attractive folders but they put a lot of thought and design into usability... theres a lot of sweet folders I think I want... then I fiddle around with my Para3 and release its already pocket perfection.
Imo besides the leaf point blade tip being a bit delicate, spydercos are a true work horse knife.
The one minute ad for yourself at the beginning got you unsubscribed
A lot of the other knife channels are actually talking about knives
Thanks
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