Spyderco CBN Benchstone vs SPY27 and CPM15V
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Mmm windex and fresh grit contamination. My favorite breakfast meal.
Then in the end, you lick the stone to get that yummy mix of Windex and ground steel. Like drinking the last bit of milk in the cereal bowl. 😋😛🤪😰🥵🤢🤮
Get you ready to start a day full of plagiarism?
From AP news: After hours of knife sharpening, an american man dies of widex poisoning after Australian knife authority pushed windex drinking during use of his product testing. US state department has issued formal complaint to Australian authorities and demand arrest and extradition of knife sharpening authority.
As a primarily freehand sharpener who started with an Edge Pro, freehand sharpening has many advantages over systems. For comparable quality stones it is cheaper, freehand is much faster, it is much more flexible (can sharpen any knife or tool), and lastly I think it's more fun.
The issues you're running into here getting that final sharpness lie in deburring, not angle control or grit progression. You can get a screaming sharp edge off of that first CBN 400 mesh with good deburring.
Edge leading strokes, alternating 1 per side, until no burr is detectable. Then edge trailing, same protocol, until the sharpness comes up. Then lightly strop.
Always enjoy your content 👍
He has spoken! @NocturneKnives is legit
Thanks, Pete. Next time I'm in Australia, I will be sure to use windex for refreshment and recreation just as the locals do.
Be careful your body systems may not be used to such pure sustenance
I like to start my day with nice shot of Windex over ice. Really helps prevent streaking!
Now my mouth is going to water every time it's time to clean my windows. Thanks.
If this is a traditional custom if you visit Australia I think the 30 hour flight isn't warranted now... lol I gagged every time he took a swig
@@joshuasharrock466 The spiders alone will keep me away. I will admire from afar!
I heard Windex kills intestinal worms, no more itchy bum
Mate....the spyderco medium ceramic is an excellent stone!.....you wont regret that purchase. It is my go to for a quick tidy up on kitchen knives as it leaves a manageable toothy edge that just works.
your are doing great Pete the more you doit the better, the thumb trick is def a good idea, i did notice you were flexing your wrist which makes it difficult to hold the angle. locking your wrist and using your elbow and shoulder works best imo. either way thank you for all the amazing content
Half expected Uncle Randy to make an appearance.
And there it is (kinda).
This is one of the reasons your channel is so great - we never know what you are going to come up with!! Who knew Windex was a thirst quencher?
Hope your not driving to Yoga Pete,
"Have you had anything to drink today Sir?"
"Well...."
Did you see what I saw? That blade went from nice round to tanto like 🤣
Well done Pete!! Hand sharpening for ever!
And I think you’ll poop a Mr.Proper!!
Nice video though!! Have fun.
I just got my 15v shaman yesterday. Can’t wait to see how it goes so far it feels amazing
Great video Pete, nice to see a larger sample size of this sharpening stone. The video you’re referencing from Outdoors55 was completely plagiarized from Stroppy stuff btw. Almost word for word.
He hid my comment when i mentioned it…
somehow I didnt realize this
I'm glad somebody else noticed this 😢
I've always known outdoors55 was a bit of a knob but I didn't think he was a cheat. I'm going to look into this
You definitely should! Too bad you can't see the hidden comment that confronted him as well.
I guess he got mad when I told him that he should at least have the decency to give credit and then continue to do his mistake filled content 😂
Had me stressed out until til literally the last second thinking my guy Pete is about to keel over! 😂
Wow! Really enjoying this video especially with the microscope video of the edges.
Very cool I use a hard and medium diamond DMT stone and finish it off with the spyderco medium and fine ceramic stones.
That's about what I use, too. Coarse DMT and medium Spyderco ceramic stones. It gets me a hair popping edge!
@@jamescrumbaker3169 good info thanks
I would be interested in seeing you and your wife trying out the Spyderco Sharp maker. It would be interesting to see its abilities and limitations with the premium steels you have in your collection. I’d certainly like to see how you would rate it among the other systems you have for efficacy and ease of use. Frankly I think it would be valuable to see you test out any of the available systems with the previous parameters for comparison. Thank you for the videos. I appreciate the humor and the education as well as your efforts to produce them. Cheers.
Would find that interesting too actually.
I have a sharpmaker, and i even bought the BCN rods for it. But apart from the BCN being really good initially, the sharpmaker takes way way way too long for me compared to freehand sharpening.
I don't even have any of the expensive "supersteels" i tried it with cheap kitchen knives and still it takes ages to make progress.
I have spend up to an hour on it with a dull kitchen knife and it still wasn't as sharp as when i did it freehand in 5 minutes.
So i would be interested in his take (and his wifes) to see if there's anything wrong with how i do it (given there's not much you can do wrong) or if maybe my BCN rods are sh*# and the ceramic ones too fine or not working properly either.
If the angles are correct and the knife isn't dull, the sharpmaker is not bad, but a leather strop works for that too. (even better for me.)
Nice to see you picking up freehand more, it doesn't give you an analytically perfect edge, but it's not too difficult and so long as the edge meets somewhere in the middle, it'll cut.
This is full on sharpening swagger! I love this because I have watched your super entertaining videos for years. I have mostly freehand sharpened my knives though (sometimes I use the WorkSharp Ken Onion blade grinder). I love seeing your enthusiastic and intelligent mind going after a freehand edge. The challenge inspires me. I recently got an 8” Sharpal diamond stone thanks to the recommendation of Outdoors55. It’s 325 and 1250 grit or so. He claimed it has less grit contamination than Spyderco but only cost $69 USD. I have used it once and found it does a good job.
I sharpen my kitchen knives on water stones which seems to be easier than pocket knives somehow. I would love to see you sweating bullets while putting a fresh bevel on a Japanese carbon steel gyuto.
I love what you do. Very entertaining.
Great video. I’m much happier with the edges I get on stones than I am on machines. Ive measured the edge on a wire tester and they usually get within 10-20 grams of each other. Stones all day for me. Horses for courses. Haven’t tried a Tormek yet.
Great video as usual Pete. Cross hatch could be scratches from the initial back and forth strokes.
The leather CBN case also works well as a Windex strop.
I'll be honest I grew up with just the any old sharpening stones from the hardware store having a limited understanding and could never really get a hair popping edge. As I got older and more into it I sought better means and methods spyderco sharp maker was a good go to, then I upgraded to guided systems like wicked edge etc and loved the edges just disliked the setup and such. I began watching countless videos on freehanding and returned to it, and now it's my go to. It's truly a learned skill that takes alot of practice and frustration, but I can put a hair splitting edge / tree topping on a knife now it scares me how sharp my knifes are afterwards. My wife can always tell when I sharpened the kitchen knives when she has smaller pieces of sponge hand washing the knives lol. They shave paper and paper towel afterwards and I only found out accidentally just cleaning them post sharpening, pre-kitchen use.
25:44 that cross hatching may be a few scratches leftover from the factory edge.
thats a cool leather case it comes in, interested to see a long term use vid down the road ...
Freehand only. I'm using Shapton Pro ceramic stones, Naniwa Diamond stones, some water stones and a leather strop + diamond compound.
Try out some balsa or basswood strops.
Sand with 220 on the surface to raise grain, barley wet and let dry to further raise grain and charge with compound and let it melt in.
These strops are the perfect mix between stones and strops. I especially like to deburr on them.
Another thing that’s nice is to wet and mash your leather to make it less pliable.
Just a few different textures to strop on. Also the wood ones help with feedback somewhat
I’ve gotten a lot of good use out Spyderco’s CBN stuff.
I like toothy edges and can get my knives shaving off the CBN benchstone.
A dawn(dish soap)/water mix works well for me instead of windex. It also works well to clean off the spyderco ceramics if you use them dry.
But does it taste as good??
@@abuzzbat3632 Not bad! I prefer orange, but lemon will do in a pinch.
I have actually been finding myself freehand sharpening sometimes as well. Usually if im just trying to get a quick aggressive edge
I use water and a squirt of dishes soap although ive been experimenting with isopropyl alcohol. On diamond and ceramic that is
It takes some practice to get free hand sharpening perfect.There is room for improvement but pretty good results already.
The cross hatch pattern near the tip is because sometimes you allow the knife leave the stone on some strokes and on other stokes the tip stays on the stone all the way. You did this mostly at the start of the video with the low grit stone so this pattern on the apex at the end may work as a low grit "contamination" on the cutting edge but after stroping I didn't notice that in practice.
While sharpening I never leave the stone. If you allow that to happen the surface contact area is just the corner of the stone and that creates a massive pressure spike on the apex. This causes metal fatigue, reduced edge durability and sometimes even microchips along the edge.
The bad spot you noticed could have been a microchip but since you fixed it by stropping I'm thinking it was probably a burr. That cross hatch pattern was created at higher angle so that creates a resistant burr that doesn't go away when you use the lower angle cleaning strokes.
This is one of the reasons why I like microbevels, easy burr removal.
i like freehand sharpening. it's quite fast if you have good stones and at least one in a low grit, it's lethargic, and i get the sense of putting "my" edge on a knife. no power or rig required, although you'd rarely find yourself in a situation at home without power or space for some rig.
While I love my extra fine spyderco ceramic stone and wish they made the medium ceramic in 8x3, I have been disappointed with the cbn plate, my cbn started peeling off on the fine side .
Good job, Pete! Thanks for the vid.
The opposite lines are probably the original factory grind. Meaning your angle was off or you didn't grind enough to get to the apex in certain places. After you moved the knife to a different spot of the edge, you got all of it.
I've never had so much fun watching some random dude sharpen a knife.
a random dude
He is Henry Cavill in the world of knives😀
The only way to finish off a free hand sharpen is with a good ol' palm strop, definitely Uncle Randy approved
Pete, for the tip, stop while the tip is still on the stone and lift up after you stop. Love all these new sharpening vids
You did great Pete 🎉 Its good to know how to sharpen youre knives with non electricity manual sharpening equipment when its the storm season and the eleectricity is down, cant get help, and you have a fridge full of meat jerky to make but all the knives are dull.. Horror is real.. But in case you do know how to sharpen youre knives by handtools youre ok 🎉
Sometimes the basics are best. I'd like to someday get a sharpening system like a Wicked Edge. They're really pricey!
G'day Pete, stones = quality meditation - time.
drink'n windex = piss'n suds ..... though your innards will be clean for the autopsy. Cheers Duke.
if the weather's not hugely hot and clammy, Jif is a solid choice of revitalising tongue-spray.
Pete we must talk about your windex use . Its rather sparing.
Feel like the cross hatched scratch pattern was from when you were going back and forth. You probably dipped a few time and hit it at a steeper angle, so as you progressed and held the same angle you didnt actually refine the scratch pattern all the way to the apex
Nice video but the real question is what kind of sadist are you to have dulled that k390 knife so badly?
Dude, those guns!! 💪💪
He must be filming in Texas. Australia doesn’t allow gun shows.
The cross hatching is probably the factory edge. Either deeper than what you removed or you missed a section
thanks for showing
Your strokes may be uniform but just a friendly tip...you want to lift your hand as you approach the tip. I made this mistake when I first started sharpening. If you don't lift the tip to match the curvature of the edge you're gonna get some wonky things going on towards the tip. Conversely, when you're down at the base of the blade near the choil you want to do the opposite. You want your off hand applying pressure slightly downwards towards the table. If you don't do both of these things you'll end up taking far more material off the belly than you do the tip and base and start losing the edgeline and belly of the blade. It's a super important concept to understand when freehand sharpening. I'm sure you're aware of all the knife sharpening channels on TH-cam but one I can recommend watching some videos from are guys like Jef Jewell. He goes over things like this in some of his instructional videos and will probably help you avoid some mistakes. You can't take a curved blade like that and bring it across the stone without dropping and lifting your hand is the short way of putting it. Hope this helps. You can absolutely match or exceed the edges from "modern" sharpeners when you master little skills like that. I'm not a huge fan of diamond plates (or CBN in this case). I highly prefer Japanese water stones for a variety of reasons. One reason is they'll teach you far faster, they'll point out the mistakes you're making much more readily. An excellent and affordable combo for average steels would be like a King Deluxe 300 and 1000 and then maybe a Shapton Ha No Kuromaku 5k or something. My first finisher was the Suehiro Rika 5k and it taught me more in a few weeks than I had learned from diamond stones in a year. Just my 2 cents. Remember to follow that edgeline!👍
I elevate my stones with a short bit of 2x4 with wide rubber bands over either end, to keep both the stone and the wood from moving. Of course, 2x4's are also a delicacy in Oz...
I find freehand is better than fixed angle at keeping the bevel even if you're constantly lifting your elbow. When I used to use fixed systems my tips would get fat bevels because you're coming from a single point so it just seems to be one of the downsides I could never get around. For your cross hatch pattern, I'm curious if you ever fully apex'd on the first stone or if those might be grind lines from the previous sharpening/factory edge. Then you could have just cleaned up that previous edge enough on the ultra fine to get it cutting again. I'm sure you were checking bur as you went, so I'm probably wrong but just a thought. As I watch a little further, if that's your tip, I think that is what it is is you weren't lifting your elbow and didn't fully apex the tip and some belly if I had to bet. Another great video.
There is nothing wrong with going back and forth when sharpening. When raising a burr, it doesnt matter at all.
When you deburr you just want to do single strokes on each side so you bend the burr back and forth until it comes off. You also want nearly no pressure at that point.
If you deburr properly on stones you wont even really need to strop.
I have a bestech Toucan I keep the recurve toothy and the belly polished works great for me with d2
really sorry about your kitty :(
You can hear the grit from the rougher stone on the white stone.
That made me cringe a bit! I always rinse and wipe my knives before switching to a smoother stone. Especially ones like ceramic or Arkansas stones.
Good video, but do not pull the tip off the stone. end your stroke at tip leaving about 1/8-1/4" of tip still resting on stone. Otherwise you will round or worse the tip with get grinded off slowly over time as you sharpen.
I was looking for somebody to have mentioned that. But yes stop before the tip come to the edge of the stone.
Lol it's about feel😅..... when it comes to sharpening I'm a Scorpio I'm dead 😂😂😂
I sharpen both ways. I feel my Kme sharpens better than when I free hand
Great vid as usual. For that price I'll stick to diamond but still good stuff mate
the cross hatch is the factory edge. your angle was off towards the tip probably.
Great video Pete, good job and waiting on the next videos😁👌👍
If you watch to the end it’s gatorade he is using on the stone and drinking. My freehand sharpening is not very good. Maybe there is still hope for me. I have been watching for years and appreciate the videos. Thank you.
yes mate , 100% right , feel it , feeeeeeel it
Commenting early in the video as an experienced freehand sharpener...if you don't lift your hand for the tip you're gonna create some problems for yourself. It's going to end up at a significantly more acute angle as the rest of the edge
P.s. You aren't apexing on the ceramic stone by the looks of it. You wanna try to raise you angle just a tad to make sure that stone is doing its job and refining the apex
Man I don’t know if I should say this or not but I think it would be very easier if you put your stone on some box or something for the sake of your wrist and fingers.
100% he needs a stone holder
Not sure ingesting ethylene glycol monobutyl ether is anything I want to do. LOL
You and your science words can't scare me!
Drunk on Windex 😂👍🏻
I think outdoor55 did a review of the CBN stone and found his had a really bad "burr" along one or both edges. Let me be clear, I am not an expert. I have both the medium and fine Spyderco ceramic bench stones and they can be difficult to get used to. The "feel" is very much less satisfying than diamond unless you have the angle perfectly matched to the bevel you're working on. Both good and bad. In general I would consider the "medium" to be a fine stone and the "fine" to be very fine, when it comes to comparison vs diamond.
I dont think freehand people are generally boasting about them freehand sharpening.
I think its more likely they mention they freehand, and other people take it as boasting
Edit: please buy yourself a stone holder. The knuckle clearance will make your life so much easier while sharpening.
oh and the alcohol in the windex will dry out that nice leather sheath over time....
That "old school" sharpening technique you're doing is fine except your falling off the stone which rounds off the tip. Each stroke should start and end on the stone
im slowly getting there over the month since this video
the windex joke was hilarious the first time, then it was just funny for a while, then the sex party joke came and i spit out my windex i was laughing so hard. super great video! i watch a lot of outdoor55 too and got some dmt plates and then a 2 thousand and 5 thousand shapton and it has been working pretty well. i mostly sharpen kitchen knives so the fixed angle systems just took a long time with the smaller stones and the angles went weird
I watch all his videos as well and got the sharpal dualsided benchstone and made myself a leather stop with diamond compound 3000. Most of my kitchen knives are vg10 and are "hair whittlingly sharp"
@@Samjaza absolutely incredible, he has definitely gotten me addicted to a razor sharp edge
@@chasetoncainHe's got me addicted to Windex! 😂
Next video: windex martini
Alex is my favourite sharpening channel. You are but a mere number 2 in my heart.
i free hand sharp and i dont go to sleep until all my knives can shave
usually i make sure its nice shave and not rough too
im not an expert but i feel like you should free hand back and forth because its more fun and natural for you
the reason is that after some time you will become really good at it no matter how you do it
and when you can get a knife shaving sharp fast and easy then it would feel much better if its with the method you like more rather than the slow annoying one you hate
Pete the BAD influence.
First it's tattoos, then drinking Windex.
What's next, vaping? 😅😅😅
Thanx for the video my Bladed Brother 👍 ⚔️ ✝️ 🇺🇲
The old blue Gatorade Windex prank.
Branded Windex bottle, unscrew that bad boy, down the hatch. Schizophrenic chug jug.
Dont run the tip off the stone. Stop on the stone. And lift that elbow to follow the flow of the curve.
Constructive critique please. 😊
Finally! It’s Gatorade😅
Wyndex is great. Take it camping . Clean a rifle with it plus can fry your eggs with it
Please stop drinking windex
But it's delicious
If we Aussies can stomach Vegemite, Windex is nothing
The "arrogant" back-and-forth is basically the technique that Japanese professional sharpeners use... But what do they know? Amirite? Seriously, though, the "swipe" is good for touch-ups or de-burring, but it is horribly inefficient for the bulk of the grinding.
One of the best, most comprehensive video series can be found on Murray Carter's channel.
The back and forth technique is Japanese style.
Flattening isn't that tricky bro. That CBN stone would probably flatten a King stone up just fine. I don't know if they're made for that, i prefer Atoma 140 and 400 for that task. Just draw a grid with a pencil after you soak the stone and have at it with a flattening stone. When the pencil marks disappear you have a flat stone 🤷♂️
I love Windex too it helps with my covid😅
You don't need a lot of Windex for it to be fatal. It takes a week or so of kidney and liver failure to finally finish you off, but it gets the job done.
Hes australian and has resistance to it, i heard he drinks it every few days... 🤭
@@sabelfechter7136 There is no way to build a tolerance.
@@ziggarillo I bet your fun at parties. 😉
@sabelfechter7136 How many partygoers are you willing to kill, for a laugh?
@@sabelfechter7136 Does anyone survive your parties?
I hope thats not really windex your drinking pete 😅
Edit: i knew it was blue gatorade lol
You can't fool me, Pete! I know that's not windex branded Windex! It doesn't have the soap bubble action windex has. Don't you know drinking off brand windex is bad for you?
I always use my fixed angle to fix how badly i mess up my edges with the bench stones.... 😂
At least you try, though. Most don't even do that.
Just means I get to enjoy the process twice haha
Use shapton ceramic stones, they last way longer and are splash and go
Is bragging on the internet that I'm too poor to buy an expensive knife sharpener and therefore freehand sharpen all of my CPM 10V, 15V, S90V, S110V, Rex 121, K390, and Maxamet knives really earn me clout?
also, pro-tip. The suede covers for the spyderco stones also hold compound to double as a strop
Yes, but do you really want it? lmao
You can’t be that broke if you have all those different higher end steels.
Good one! 😅
Your back and forth was fine, just needs a bit of practice and burr management, which is essential for freehand. I did not see you check for a burr even once. Then finish off each side with a couple of stropping strokes on the stone. Oh, and you (and the missus) are pressing way too hard. Let the stone do the work.
What are you using for convex blades? I have a lot of Bark River knives which are all convex.
If you wrap a block of wood with sandpaper and strop gently you can keep the convexity of the edge;)
KME has a convex stone guide that will do the job for a full resharpening. The rod has a curvature to it.
dude don't listen to these guys. Sandpaper stropping on a convex edge is ass. Please just use your whetstones it's super easy, watch a tutorial on youtube, you just rock the blade, very easy.
@@stroppystuff641 no it's not ass lol. You just have to use quality high grit sandpaper. Better than using the stupid kme sharpener. Also bark River knives are "ass" already, too thick, convex edges still deform from batoning even at said thickness.
@@lawrenceragnarok1186 it is ass. Edge trailing only, limited selection of abrasives (basically only SiC. Minimal control of edge angle & ability to reprofile. 100% ass.
Too many dudes in this video 😠🤬😡
No way that windex😅
🤣 External use only!
Spyderco sharp maker is the easiest for everyone. Why you not try that?
FYI: There is no reason to pick a CBN stone over a diamond stone unless the CBN is CHEAPER. The advantage that CBN has over diamond ONLY applies in high speed machine sharpening. In hand sharpening, diamond's greater hardness theoretically gives it an advantage over CBN. Whether that difference is actually enough to make a difference in the real world I don't know.
final fantasy 7 for the win
This isn't actual windex, is it?😅
It’s the off brand one from Aldi, Windchex.
@@LisaInTheSkyMU but it's actual windowcleaner he drank? 😅
Don’t believe everything you see on TH-cam
Cedric & Ada don't lie. Pure Windex is the drink of champions and massive consumption is sure to make anybody a professional sharpener.
You didn't.
Blue cordial or gatorade for sure..Im pretty sure I saw on the white stone packaging it said no water needed..