had the same problem after i re built my pond until a very experinced koi keeper told me the more the koi are stressed out the more flukes that they will have . and they will always have a few one way or the other. your koi have been through the mill while you have been re building the pond and back in to there new home witch is also very stressful. so best thing is to do is to treat now as you have done . put the covers on and stay well away from messing with the the pond for a few weeks or so and let them rest and recover. no food no messing around buy the pond no lights flicking on and off of a night . just let the chill out. and belive me you will have a different pond. best advice i ever had
Totally agree with you. I hate treating the pond and only do it when I have to. Had the drum empty half the pond the other day and had to refill with cold water wich they didn't like. They have been through alot and like you say I just want to leave them be with a bit of heat to recover but they were flashing like crazy yesterday so I was left with no other option really. I'm hoping after this treatment I can finally leave them be
How be mucker..... great update mate, as you might be aware i draw from the bottom of my moving bed chamber too, i used the filter grids you can buy on ebay cheap (aka egg create) some pipe i made some legs out of and some pond netting to stop the k1 getting through. My pump outlet is under the grid and the k1 cant get near it.... hope this helps buddy and good luck on the flukes mate 👍👌🐟
Feel your pain with the flukes mate, hopefully the fluke Solve will do the trick as it did for mine. At least you had the sense to stay with your fish during the PP treatment shows how important it is 🐟👍
Bloody hope it dose. Not sure what else I can try if it dosnt. Yeah so glad I stayed with them. They are seem to have pulled through, if I'd left it the full 4 hours they would have been gone 100%
Feel for you Danny never had to fall back on the Nuke option of pp I keep it but have never had to put it in the pond in all my years of ponding but needs must you have to shift them Flukes and stripping the slim coat back will help the treatment fingers crossed for you bud
Thanks mate. It's not something I wanted to do atall. But when fluke me and lernex Pro have failed then drastic measures are needed. I really think it's the shower gassing it off before it had a chance to take affect
I used potassium permanganate once and never again in my koi pond, the only time i use pp now is for getting the film off K1 MEDIA in a clean dustbin. Have you tried formalin and malachite mixed together from separate bottles not the premixed you can buy if you mix from 2 different bottles it works better that what a vet advised me. I normally use this method just before autumn and then again in the spring and never suffer with any flukes or parasites and have done this for 25 years hope this helps thanks Andy
I don't like pp either but think it was nessaary in this situation and it dose seem to have worked so I don't regret it. I had treat with formalin and malachite about 2 months ago for costia (wich it worked well on) didn't touch the flukes for me though. Had my fair share of parasites already this year
Lucky you kept your eye on the PP mate 👍 hope you get the flukes sorted soon. Would putting a mesh in my moving bed above the pump help stop the media clumping up around the pump inlet?
Yeah defiantly, if I'd walked away for the 4 hours I'd have come back to a pond of dead fish. Think a mesh screen is about the only way of sorting that ibc. I'll give it a go
I had similar issue with moving bed, best solution I found was to place an air stone direct in front of a caged outlet, it moves the media away from it. Hope you sort the flukes, Fluke Solve is my go too, good stuff. Best of luck.
I did try something similar but found it made them lump suck the air through. As a few people have suggested I think a mesh floor in the bottom might be the only way round it
Sometimes it feels like flukes are the cockroach of the water and the only way to get rid of them is nukes lol . Flukesolve is a good product I've used it a few times and had good results. Just make sure to re-dose in 3 weeks so you catch any hatching flukes!! Good luck mate 👍
Definitely seem to be. I've had a nightmare getting rid of them, didn't want to resort to this but running out of options. I've got a second dose, I'll make sure I get that in
Hi mate great VD I don’t like PP any more either my first go to these days is salt on gradual build up put a kg a day over how ever long it takes take it to .3 see how that helps just go carful your treatments are salt compatible Chris
Hello buddy sorry to hear you are having trouble with your drum, hopefully Darren can sort it out for you. I'm intrigued as to what's wrong with it as they are the best way to mechanically filter your pond. I was with Darren and Ben at absolute koi on Monday and i did manage to resist the temptation of buying new koi 🤣 Take care matey and good luck 👍🏼
The drum has been nothing but trouble so far to be honest. It is working but to get it cleaning as it should on my setup is proving quite difficult, I've spent hours on the phone to Darren about it. Yesterday the drum got stuck in a cleaning cycle and the lower level float switch failed to shut it off (kinked wire) , it meant it carried pumping water out overnight until the high pressure pump ran dry (about half the water in the pond)
Yes mate, could have ended very badly so wanted to make people aware. Fingers crossed the fluke solve sorts it because I'm running out of options really
Really interesting video, thanks for posting it, I'm having alsame issues atm. I skim the water out of my moving bed off the surface, then the weight of the water isn't pressing down on outlet. Could be useful to you
Hi Danny, I'm surprised the learnex pro didn't work, it's the only thing that works for me, a coulpe of thought's spring to mind, are you sure you know the correct gallonage for pond and filters? and I found the learnex is a real bugger to mix with water(very granular)so I take out the bypass plugs out of my drum for 24hrs, or the drum will take it straight out.
Hi mate, yes I know my volume, its a fraction under 10000l but I'll always dose with treatment at 10000l. I didn't bypass the drum last time although I did turn the speed of the pumps down, this may well have been my issue and the drum took it all out super quick. They should really make things like this more clear
@@dannycurrie1 yeah, I think that's the problem, the drum's taking it out, also I would leave shower running, my last batch of learnex pro I bought from Holland got twice the amount for less money and that included shipping, not sure now brexit is done, if there's a deal still to be done.
Hi Dan, do you have any bypass plates on your drum? As I had same problem with flukes and could see the drum taken out the lernex pro when I added it in so bypassed the drum for a few days so I stayed in. Just a thought, all the best mate👍
Thanks guys. Yeah I bypasses the drum overnight, hopefully that dose the trick, they never mention that you have to do that in any instructions do they. It's quite bad really
Hi Danny just pp my pond been watching them all afternoon everything seems ok been in 5 hours . Then need to treat the fish for flukes did scrape this morning flukes everywhere!!🤦🏻♂️hope you get sorted 👍. Can I ask why you upgraded your heat pump from i9 to i12 looking at getting heat pump like the remora brand been looking at your videos my pond is 2000 gallons so I was thinking of getting a i9 to do the business I would be interested in your thoughts. Thanks 👍
I've used pp before with no issues so I was surprised they reacted this way. Shows why you need to keep an eye on them. As for the heat pump, the i9 is big enough for my pond, it was playing up a bit and not keeping the water withing the set parameters, as it was new they offered to just swap it rather than repair it, they only had an i12 in stock so hence I got a free upgrade.
Just been reading on koi website some one had same problem with flukes they then tried not labs bacterad and it worked brilliant and cleaned them right up buddy ,hope this is helpful
I have flukes in the pond. I resist treating as the fish are not bothered. Maybe sometimes we are too fast with treatments? Last year I treated straight away and had a spring full of problems.
I agree with you that sometimes we're to fast to treat but my fish have been flashing quite alot and I've got a couple with knocks that are just not healing so the flukes need to go
@@rolfdejong8135 again I agree with you mate. If I'd not been watching the pond I'd have killed all my fish today with that pp. It's a never ending battle. I'm still learning, trying to share it all on hear so other can learn from my mistakes
PP should be a last resort only imo. I much prefer CT for stripping mucous but I'm sure there's many different opinions. If Lernex Pro didn't work then Fluke solve may not either since it also contains Prazi. Where Lernex pro doesn't work normal Lernex should nail it (or vice versa). Always worth using normal Lernex first which is the only product containing Levamisole which flukes were resistant to in the 80's/90's but new strains are susceptible to it.
I'm already at last resort mate. Used fluke m in the grow on over winter to no affect. And now lernex Pro with ct before didn't work. Running out of options really hence the pp. Thought I'd try the fluke solve as it's once I've not used. I'll keep you updated on weather it works nor not
I bloody hope so. I'm out of ideas if not. Windows been fine, not had any movement or leaks from it yet. Good luck with yours. 85kg is a big old beast. Think mine was only 21kg
Hi mate think somebody may of already said it but with most fluke treatments it’s best to bypass the drum not the shower as drums can remove the product before it’s done it’s job , I can’t believe a main dealer has told you to pp to remove the mucus, especially after the recent findings on short and long term effects of pp on fish , it’s not good , and as the study said we’ve become to complacent with pp without finding out what it really does , Hope you work it out this time
I've decided to open the bypass on the drum aswell. Fingers crossed it sorts it. I agree pp is a very harsh chemical and I certainly didn't want to have to use it but with how stubborn these flukes have been needs must. I hope once I've finally got rid of them I'll not have to treat again for the rest of the year. My poor fish have been been through alot, but after the 2 treatments of lernex there still flashing and 5 flukes found on the first scrape I had to do something a bit more to try and shift them
@@dannycurrie1 fair do mate but it’s definitely worth reading the study done by dr Paula Reynolds of Lincolnshire fish health , or I did a video about it , by pass drum yes but I’d let it run over your shower
@@K.W.P.R I'll check out your videos this evening 👍 I'm gona stick with bypassing both. I'll put the shower back on in the morning but on a low flow and leave the drum bypassed for another 24. Not mucking about this time. I really don't want to have to do this again. Will obviously do a follow up fluke solve in 2 weeks though
I had a similar bad spell of flukes and threw every treatment at them with no joy. Finally got rid by leaving every thing to soak in fluke solve. My shower I lowered the trays into my pond so they were totally submerged in fluke solve solution rather than it passing over.
If you look at professionally made moving beds, (Oase, Filtreau etc,) they use perforated tube the length of the chamber, feed in at the top, or near the top and outlet near the bottom, its surface area you need.
I haven't read all the comments, so someone may have said already, but try putting the moving bed outlet vertical. The air bubbles will move the media and stop it clumping together.
I've never had to treat my pond except that the beginning with salt (will never do that again). Never had to clean my biological filters in years. I'm thinking any parasites and their eggs that come off the koi will be killed through micropredation in the filter. I think there is relatively little micropredation that happens in a moving bed or a shower. Lots in large enough sponge/mat type or bog/static type biological filter. Flukes are like bunnies that go rampant without predators.
Very interesting. You acted just at the right time. Doesn't matter if it wasn't 4 hours, I am pretty sure it would have done the job as it acts like bleach basically. Hope you get rid of them now. I was thinking for the moving bed, how about putting an 90 elbow at the bottom, then up right pipe with lots of holes all along or long thick cuts? At the moment it's at the bottom and it's like a bottom brain, water and media are pulled towards the bottom?
It's been over a week since my last treatment and that hasn't worked. Due to an issue with the drum pumping half the water out I'd done a 50% water change yesterday so that would have diluted anything still in the water
It can be a very painful hobby sometimes. And after all of this it didn't even get rid of the flukes. I'm currently treating again for them. Rapidly running out of patients with it
@@dannycurrie1 you can say that again!!! Killing my 2 favorite koi killllllled me having to watch them die! 😭 and im sorry you're still trying to kill the parasites, evil things.. they're building resistance to the meds.
They been a bloody nightmare. I thought lernex Pro would sort them out but got just as many now as when I started. I'm thinking it's the shower gassing it off to quick. We will see this time hopefully
@@dannycurrie1 just been watching my fish out my window n gotva couple flashing 🤦🏼♂️ fort I mite have got away with it. So think I've got to invest in a microscope and see what I'm dealing with.
@@dannycurrie1 yh I will do that tomoz morning before I go work if get chance if not ill do it when home.if all good ill av to invest in a scope and see if anything there 🤞🏻
That's good to hear mate. Fingers crossed mine is the same. As for the ulcers I'm not expert and I'm battling with some myself. Topical treat them if necessary then it's just a case of good water quality and some heat and they should heal themselves. Sever cases may need antibiotics but I've got no experience with that
@@dannycurrie1 Yeah mate hope it works out well for you too Really is tough seeing the water friends suffer I been going through it badly Literally turn a corner and think things getting better...along comes another hurdle lol
@@thepeoplespond its a steep learning curve koi keeping. Always good to share it so others can avoid the mistakes we make. Never had serious numbers of flukes but always a few, wich is more than im happy with
@@dannycurrie1 Totally agree Harder than when I was doing my studies lol That’s why I’m currently showcasing my misadventures lol So someone else can hopefully see the video and not make the mistakes I did
Place a large airstone by your outlet this will push your k1 away stoping it blocking up.i did this to stop small fry being sucked threw my bottom filter.
Without wanting to rub salt in the wound i have had my 3000 gallon unheated pond for 18 years or so and have never to my knowledge had a parasite problem, no flashing etc. i do wonder if heating a pond encourages parasites. Still I've just tempted providence and probably will go home to a pond full of flukes :(
That's some good pond keeping. Hats off to you mate. Unfortunately my flukes were a free gift with some cheap Israeli koi I bought when I started my first pond and I've been battling to get rid of them ever since
Just luck i guess, i have a tendency to leave the pond alone, although I am moving one of my sets of filters and changing media type, so who knows the grief i am about to give myself and the fish, good luck with yours
@@edlesboroughkoipondstevech3546 good luck mate. My moving of filters and ponds over the winter along with the grow on caused me no end of grief and is probably the reason I'm having all these issues at the moment
Im having a similar issue. But a pp n fluke solve has given me clear scrapes. Im sure koi suppliers give us all flukes just to make sales on treatments n new koi #conspiracy. Hope it works for u 👍🐟
That's good mate. Hopefully I have the same results 🤞 my first ever fish had flukes. And I've had flukes on more than 1 new arrival since, even had costia on a fish from a reputable breeder who I won't name on hear. #koispiracy
@@dannycurrie1 next netflix documentary koispiracy coming next 🤣👏 good luck with it. If my current stock of 11 koi dont last over the next few years im just going to restock with fancy goldfish like fantails ranchus n black moors they'll be much less hassle then koi n just as friendly n fun to watch.
I know mate. I would normally use sodium thiosulfate but hydrogen peroxide is better in an emergency as it re oxygenates the water aswell as neutralising the pp
I have a 75lpm pump on the bottom drain along with 2 35lpm pumps in the ibc. I think the issues was the first dose was neutralised by the dechlorinator but it still strips the oxygen from the water so the second dose that was need to keep the water purple reduced the oxygen levels too much. The timing was bad on my part having changed 50% of the water yesterday due to the drum pumping it out
@@dannycurrie1 hopefully mate. This video is definitely a good heads up because I wouldn't of even though of the shower gassing the treatment off that's another thing learned 👌👍
@@progressivepondkeeping I'd not thought of it either but was speaking to Darren at absolute koi. He reckons momataro koi farm (the ones who developed bhm) turn all there showers off when treating for flukes. It's about the only thing I've not tried so worth a go. Even if it dose knock my bio back alot
@@dannycurrie1 ok get some superverm it works well but if you have goldfish in pond forget it but harmless to koi 60ml per 1000 gallons not only does it kill flukes it destroys all eggs some people will be against it but if used correctly it’s a winner no harm to filter media and using pp has its advantages but using it to strip fish mucus is a no no you are removing their natural defence mechanism
Maybe put the microscope away and let the fish recover from the overload of chemicals through the summer and their immune system will hopefully recover enough to deal with things naturally.
I agree with you mate but when the fish are flashing constantly and you have parasites, ignoring it isn't an option. Believe me I don't want to be any more treatments in the pond than I have to
I know mate. The pp is to strip the mucus from the koi to allow the treatment to penetrant better. I've used fluke m on several occasions and it's not touched them
@@Davidj3 flukes solve that I've just used the main ingredient is prazipraziquantel so it's probably a similar treatment. I've not used it with salt though
Flukes tend to live on the koi not the pond walls. But I know what your saying. I believe momataro koi farm turn all there showers off when treating for flukes. If it works for them 🤷♂️
The pp was used to strip the mucus to allow the fluke treatments to penetrate better. I understand its harsh but I've had already used 3 dose of fluke m and 2 of lernex Pro wich have had no affect so I believed it was nessaary. Surprisingly it's had little affect on the filters and the fluke solve that went in after ses to have done the job this time
U should have used chloramine t to get rid of mucus them used fluke s the fluke m is not very gd at all u can double the dose and still won’t hit them the biggest problem for the fish is stress that bring on most problems in the koi the only thing I would use pp for us to quicken up k1 media
had the same problem after i re built my pond until a very experinced koi keeper told me the more the koi are stressed out the more flukes that they will have . and they will always have a few one way or the other.
your koi have been through the mill while you have been re building the pond and back in to there new home witch is also very stressful. so best thing is to do is to treat now as you have done . put the covers on and stay well away from messing with the the pond for a few weeks or so and let them rest and recover. no food no messing around buy the pond no lights flicking on and off of a night . just let the chill out. and belive me you will have a different pond.
best advice i ever had
Totally agree with you. I hate treating the pond and only do it when I have to. Had the drum empty half the pond the other day and had to refill with cold water wich they didn't like. They have been through alot and like you say I just want to leave them be with a bit of heat to recover but they were flashing like crazy yesterday so I was left with no other option really. I'm hoping after this treatment I can finally leave them be
Hi m8 glad your fish are ok after the treatment
Thanks for explaining on the PP
Good luck with the Flukes 👍
I hope they are, still sulking last night. Shows why you have to be really careful with it
How be mucker..... great update mate, as you might be aware i draw from the bottom of my moving bed chamber too, i used the filter grids you can buy on ebay cheap (aka egg create) some pipe i made some legs out of and some pond netting to stop the k1 getting through. My pump outlet is under the grid and the k1 cant get near it.... hope this helps buddy and good luck on the flukes mate 👍👌🐟
Yeah I seen yours mate, I'll have to do something similar but with mesh instead as I've got micro k1 in mith mine. I'll think of something
Feel your pain with the flukes mate, hopefully the fluke Solve will do the trick as it did for mine. At least you had the sense to stay with your fish during the PP treatment shows how important it is 🐟👍
Bloody hope it dose. Not sure what else I can try if it dosnt. Yeah so glad I stayed with them. They are seem to have pulled through, if I'd left it the full 4 hours they would have been gone 100%
Feel for you Danny never had to fall back on the Nuke option of pp I keep it but have never had to put it in the pond in all my years of ponding but needs must you have to shift them Flukes and stripping the slim coat back will help the treatment fingers crossed for you bud
Thanks mate. It's not something I wanted to do atall. But when fluke me and lernex Pro have failed then drastic measures are needed. I really think it's the shower gassing it off before it had a chance to take affect
Mate I feel your pain, had my own PP disaster last year
Pp is a horrible chemical. I'm certainly going to be wary of using it again. Hope ite worked though
I used potassium permanganate once and never again in my koi pond, the only time i use pp now is for getting the film off K1 MEDIA in a clean dustbin.
Have you tried formalin and malachite mixed together from separate bottles not the premixed you can buy if you mix from 2 different bottles it works better that what a vet advised me.
I normally use this method just before autumn and then again in the spring and never suffer with any flukes or parasites and have done this for 25 years hope this helps thanks Andy
I don't like pp either but think it was nessaary in this situation and it dose seem to have worked so I don't regret it. I had treat with formalin and malachite about 2 months ago for costia (wich it worked well on) didn't touch the flukes for me though. Had my fair share of parasites already this year
Lucky you kept your eye on the PP mate 👍 hope you get the flukes sorted soon.
Would putting a mesh in my moving bed above the pump help stop the media clumping up around the pump inlet?
Yeah defiantly, if I'd walked away for the 4 hours I'd have come back to a pond of dead fish. Think a mesh screen is about the only way of sorting that ibc. I'll give it a go
I had similar issue with moving bed, best solution I found was to place an air stone direct in front of a caged outlet, it moves the media away from it. Hope you sort the flukes, Fluke Solve is my go too, good stuff. Best of luck.
I did try something similar but found it made them lump suck the air through. As a few people have suggested I think a mesh floor in the bottom might be the only way round it
Sometimes it feels like flukes are the cockroach of the water and the only way to get rid of them is nukes lol . Flukesolve is a good product I've used it a few times and had good results. Just make sure to re-dose in 3 weeks so you catch any hatching flukes!!
Good luck mate 👍
Definitely seem to be. I've had a nightmare getting rid of them, didn't want to resort to this but running out of options. I've got a second dose, I'll make sure I get that in
Hi mate great VD
I don’t like PP any more either my first go to these days is salt on gradual build up put a kg a day over how ever long it takes take it to .3 see how that helps just go carful your treatments are salt compatible
Chris
Hello buddy sorry to hear you are having trouble with your drum, hopefully Darren can sort it out for you.
I'm intrigued as to what's wrong with it as they are the best way to mechanically filter your pond.
I was with Darren and Ben at absolute koi on Monday and i did manage to resist the temptation of buying new koi 🤣
Take care matey and good luck 👍🏼
The drum has been nothing but trouble so far to be honest. It is working but to get it cleaning as it should on my setup is proving quite difficult, I've spent hours on the phone to Darren about it. Yesterday the drum got stuck in a cleaning cycle and the lower level float switch failed to shut it off (kinked wire) , it meant it carried pumping water out overnight until the high pressure pump ran dry (about half the water in the pond)
Hello boss hope your well, good video I was wondering if you sorted your fluke problem out in the end?
Yes got them sorted in the end. Not with this treatment though. Had to do 2 double dose treatments 1 week apart to sort them in the end
Good honest video of the types of problems a lot of us have to deal with. Stick to the instructions flukesolve is a good product.
Yes mate, could have ended very badly so wanted to make people aware. Fingers crossed the fluke solve sorts it because I'm running out of options really
Really interesting video, thanks for posting it, I'm having alsame issues atm. I skim the water out of my moving bed off the surface, then the weight of the water isn't pressing down on outlet. Could be useful to you
Thanks mate. Think that could be a good shout. I'll look into what I can do with it
Aup mate have you tried some air stones next to the ibc outlet you could use the long ones that are about 30cm long either side of the pipe.
I did try some airstones near the pipe, had the same idea as you. Unfortunately it made the pump suck the air through so that isn't ideal
Hi Danny, I'm surprised the learnex pro didn't work, it's the only thing that works for me, a coulpe of thought's spring to mind, are you sure you know the correct gallonage for pond and filters? and I found the learnex is a real bugger to mix with water(very granular)so I take out the bypass plugs out of my drum for 24hrs, or the drum will take it straight out.
Hi mate, yes I know my volume, its a fraction under 10000l but I'll always dose with treatment at 10000l. I didn't bypass the drum last time although I did turn the speed of the pumps down, this may well have been my issue and the drum took it all out super quick. They should really make things like this more clear
@@dannycurrie1 yeah, I think that's the problem, the drum's taking it out, also I would leave shower running, my last batch of learnex pro I bought from Holland got twice the amount for less money and that included shipping, not sure now brexit is done, if there's a deal still to be done.
Hi Dan, do you have any bypass plates on your drum? As I had same problem with flukes and could see the drum taken out the lernex pro when I added it in so bypassed the drum for a few days so I stayed in.
Just a thought, all the best mate👍
I second the above, the drum will just take out the learnex unless the bypass plugs are removed.
On the end of the drum (clean side) there is a bypass plug.
6 or 8 bolts in a round disk at the end of the drum in the clean side, just remove them.
Thanks guys. Yeah I bypasses the drum overnight, hopefully that dose the trick, they never mention that you have to do that in any instructions do they. It's quite bad really
Hi Danny just pp my pond been watching them all afternoon everything seems ok been in 5 hours . Then need to treat the fish for flukes did scrape this morning flukes everywhere!!🤦🏻♂️hope you get sorted 👍. Can I ask why you upgraded your heat pump from i9 to i12 looking at getting heat pump like the remora brand been looking at your videos my pond is 2000 gallons so I was thinking of getting a i9 to do the business I would be interested in your thoughts. Thanks 👍
I've used pp before with no issues so I was surprised they reacted this way. Shows why you need to keep an eye on them. As for the heat pump, the i9 is big enough for my pond, it was playing up a bit and not keeping the water withing the set parameters, as it was new they offered to just swap it rather than repair it, they only had an i12 in stock so hence I got a free upgrade.
How long did you leave between PP & Peroxide and the fluke treatment?
Just been reading on koi website some one had same problem with flukes they then tried not labs bacterad and it worked brilliant and cleaned them right up buddy ,hope this is helpful
Thanks. I'll have a look into it. Hopefully this has done it though, we will see
I have flukes in the pond. I resist treating as the fish are not bothered. Maybe sometimes we are too fast with treatments? Last year I treated straight away and had a spring full of problems.
I agree with you that sometimes we're to fast to treat but my fish have been flashing quite alot and I've got a couple with knocks that are just not healing so the flukes need to go
@@dannycurrie1 in that case treating is the only option indeed. But especially with what we use sometimes the cure is worse than the disease
@@rolfdejong8135 again I agree with you mate. If I'd not been watching the pond I'd have killed all my fish today with that pp. It's a never ending battle. I'm still learning, trying to share it all on hear so other can learn from my mistakes
@@dannycurrie1 thanks for sharing. Hopefully the flukes will be gone!
Also leave the shower on flukes can live in shower and can live in dry conditions for a few hours.
PP should be a last resort only imo. I much prefer CT for stripping mucous but I'm sure there's many different opinions. If Lernex Pro didn't work then Fluke solve may not either since it also contains Prazi. Where Lernex pro doesn't work normal Lernex should nail it (or vice versa). Always worth using normal Lernex first which is the only product containing Levamisole which flukes were resistant to in the 80's/90's but new strains are susceptible to it.
I'm already at last resort mate. Used fluke m in the grow on over winter to no affect. And now lernex Pro with ct before didn't work. Running out of options really hence the pp. Thought I'd try the fluke solve as it's once I've not used. I'll keep you updated on weather it works nor not
Just found your channel and sub to you hope the flukes solve worked for you
Thanks for the sub. Fluke solve dose seem to have done the trick. Scrapes all came back clear today thank god
Hopefully the flukes will go buddy ,how’s the window holding up just put mine in today ,85 kg heavy as hell what a nightmare their was 👍🏻
I bloody hope so. I'm out of ideas if not. Windows been fine, not had any movement or leaks from it yet. Good luck with yours. 85kg is a big old beast. Think mine was only 21kg
@@dannycurrie1 done mate window in ,nightmare well heavy and the silicone wow horrible 😂😂😂😂😂
Hi mate think somebody may of already said it but with most fluke treatments it’s best to bypass the drum not the shower as drums can remove the product before it’s done it’s job , I can’t believe a main dealer has told you to pp to remove the mucus, especially after the recent findings on short and long term effects of pp on fish , it’s not good , and as the study said we’ve become to complacent with pp without finding out what it really does ,
Hope you work it out this time
I've decided to open the bypass on the drum aswell. Fingers crossed it sorts it. I agree pp is a very harsh chemical and I certainly didn't want to have to use it but with how stubborn these flukes have been needs must. I hope once I've finally got rid of them I'll not have to treat again for the rest of the year. My poor fish have been been through alot, but after the 2 treatments of lernex there still flashing and 5 flukes found on the first scrape I had to do something a bit more to try and shift them
@@dannycurrie1 fair do mate but it’s definitely worth reading the study done by dr Paula Reynolds of Lincolnshire fish health , or I did a video about it , by pass drum yes but I’d let it run over your shower
@@K.W.P.R I'll check out your videos this evening 👍 I'm gona stick with bypassing both. I'll put the shower back on in the morning but on a low flow and leave the drum bypassed for another 24. Not mucking about this time. I really don't want to have to do this again. Will obviously do a follow up fluke solve in 2 weeks though
Make a false floor in the ibc with wire mesh leaving the k1 and pump inlet in separate sections?
Thanks. Yeah I think that's gona be the only way round it 👍
I had a similar bad spell of flukes and threw every treatment at them with no joy. Finally got rid by leaving every thing to soak in fluke solve. My shower I lowered the trays into my pond so they were totally submerged in fluke solve solution rather than it passing over.
Thanks mate. Might be something I'll have to look into if this doesn't work. Fingers crossed it dose but we will see
If you look at professionally made moving beds, (Oase, Filtreau etc,) they use perforated tube the length of the chamber, feed in at the top, or near the top and outlet near the bottom, its surface area you need.
Cable tie a airstone to next to where the k1 is sticking too and the air should keep it from sticking dude
Lucky mate 👍👍👍
I haven't read all the comments, so someone may have said already, but try putting the moving bed outlet vertical. The air bubbles will move the media and stop it clumping together.
Thanks mate. Yeah I few people have suggested it, definitely going to give that a try. Seems like the best option
I've never had to treat my pond except that the beginning with salt (will never do that again). Never had to clean my biological filters in years. I'm thinking any parasites and their eggs that come off the koi will be killed through micropredation in the filter. I think there is relatively little micropredation that happens in a moving bed or a shower. Lots in large enough sponge/mat type or bog/static type biological filter. Flukes are like bunnies that go rampant without predators.
That's an interesting theory on the micropredation. Possibly on to something.
You could use a mesh pipe thing in the moving bed not sure what they are called 👍
I stumbled across them the other day. Definitely going to give that a try at some point
@@dannycurrie1 you could use 4x 90s and a tee piece and make a square loop
Very interesting. You acted just at the right time. Doesn't matter if it wasn't 4 hours, I am pretty sure it would have done the job as it acts like bleach basically. Hope you get rid of them now.
I was thinking for the moving bed, how about putting an 90 elbow at the bottom, then up right pipe with lots of holes all along or long thick cuts? At the moment it's at the bottom and it's like a bottom brain, water and media are pulled towards the bottom?
Thanks. Yeah I think a 90 in the bottom could work. I'll definitely give it a try
Hi Danny ,do you use salt ,
No unless I have to. I have no salt in the pond at the moment
Are you not adding pp too soon after your last treatment
It's been over a week since my last treatment and that hasn't worked. Due to an issue with the drum pumping half the water out I'd done a 50% water change yesterday so that would have diluted anything still in the water
I feel your pain. I did a salt dip according to the directions on a website and i killed 2 of my koi :(
It can be a very painful hobby sometimes. And after all of this it didn't even get rid of the flukes. I'm currently treating again for them. Rapidly running out of patients with it
@@dannycurrie1 you can say that again!!! Killing my 2 favorite koi killllllled me having to watch them die! 😭 and im sorry you're still trying to kill the parasites, evil things.. they're building resistance to the meds.
You should be drawing water from the top where the water is the cleaner rather than the bottom, water pressure is pulling the K1 towards the drain
Yeah I think I'm going to try and get a t in and run it up to the surface
Not having much joy with them flukes hey mate?the fish were deffo not happy.pond is looking sick still. Hope u get the flukes sorted soon 👍🏻
They been a bloody nightmare. I thought lernex Pro would sort them out but got just as many now as when I started. I'm thinking it's the shower gassing it off to quick. We will see this time hopefully
@@dannycurrie1 just been watching my fish out my window n gotva couple flashing 🤦🏼♂️ fort I mite have got away with it. So think I've got to invest in a microscope and see what I'm dealing with.
@@gavinlee83 first thing to do is a full water test. Could be something there. If that's spot on then yeah get a scope and check
@@dannycurrie1 yh I will do that tomoz morning before I go work if get chance if not ill do it when home.if all good ill av to invest in a scope and see if anything there 🤞🏻
nice cool!! Like!👍👍👍👍👍
Hi mate
I Just done a treatment of fluke solve
Scrapes came back clean thank god
Moving onto bacterial infections now
Ulcers on 3 koi
Got any tips 👍
That's good to hear mate. Fingers crossed mine is the same. As for the ulcers I'm not expert and I'm battling with some myself. Topical treat them if necessary then it's just a case of good water quality and some heat and they should heal themselves. Sever cases may need antibiotics but I've got no experience with that
@@dannycurrie1
Yeah mate hope it works out well for you too
Really is tough seeing the water friends suffer
I been going through it badly
Literally turn a corner and think things getting better...along comes another hurdle lol
@@thepeoplespond its a steep learning curve koi keeping. Always good to share it so others can avoid the mistakes we make. Never had serious numbers of flukes but always a few, wich is more than im happy with
@@dannycurrie1
Totally agree
Harder than when I was doing my studies lol
That’s why I’m currently showcasing my misadventures lol
So someone else can hopefully see the video and not make the mistakes I did
@@thepeoplespond Glad to hear you’ve turned the corner mate.
Put a bend on pipe and lift cage to water surface and skim of top if k1 sticks water will just flow over top of it
Definitely worth a try. I'll look into it 👍
Place a large airstone by your outlet this will push your k1 away stoping it blocking up.i did this to stop small fry being sucked threw my bottom filter.
Without wanting to rub salt in the wound i have had my 3000 gallon unheated pond for 18 years or so and have never to my knowledge had a parasite problem, no flashing etc. i do wonder if heating a pond encourages parasites. Still I've just tempted providence and probably will go home to a pond full of flukes :(
That's some good pond keeping. Hats off to you mate. Unfortunately my flukes were a free gift with some cheap Israeli koi I bought when I started my first pond and I've been battling to get rid of them ever since
Just luck i guess, i have a tendency to leave the pond alone, although I am moving one of my sets of filters and changing media type, so who knows the grief i am about to give myself and the fish, good luck with yours
@@edlesboroughkoipondstevech3546 good luck mate. My moving of filters and ponds over the winter along with the grow on caused me no end of grief and is probably the reason I'm having all these issues at the moment
Im having a similar issue. But a pp n fluke solve has given me clear scrapes. Im sure koi suppliers give us all flukes just to make sales on treatments n new koi #conspiracy. Hope it works for u 👍🐟
That's good mate. Hopefully I have the same results 🤞 my first ever fish had flukes. And I've had flukes on more than 1 new arrival since, even had costia on a fish from a reputable breeder who I won't name on hear. #koispiracy
@@dannycurrie1 next netflix documentary koispiracy coming next 🤣👏 good luck with it. If my current stock of 11 koi dont last over the next few years im just going to restock with fancy goldfish like fantails ranchus n black moors they'll be much less hassle then koi n just as friendly n fun to watch.
@@richd-koi6974 yeah mate, beggining to think the same thing. Koi are bloody hard work to keep alive
@@dannycurrie1 yeah its like a part time job a pain in the ass sometimes. Anways best of luck with the dreaded worms 👍
How about making a barrier around the outlet made from Japanese matting!
Could be a good shout. Thanks 👍
Dechorinators sodium thiosulphate, added will render pp inaffective in an emergency.
I know mate. I would normally use sodium thiosulfate but hydrogen peroxide is better in an emergency as it re oxygenates the water aswell as neutralising the pp
@@dannycurrie1 nice one I never knew that about HP, every days a school day. Have a good weekend
@@BONP1E no worries mate. Always learning with koi and I'm definitely learning alot of it the hard way..
Least you know if you ever have to use pp again to put more air pumps and stones in main pond
I have a 75lpm pump on the bottom drain along with 2 35lpm pumps in the ibc. I think the issues was the first dose was neutralised by the dechlorinator but it still strips the oxygen from the water so the second dose that was need to keep the water purple reduced the oxygen levels too much. The timing was bad on my part having changed 50% of the water yesterday due to the drum pumping it out
seems a lot of issues with flukes this year
Definitely. I think it's getting worse every year to be honest
Have you married the flucks.
It seems that if your married your going to get pissed off all the time.
Leave shower on!! Flukes can be in shower
Let's hope this dose the job on the flukes 🤞🤞 I've got my second dose of fluke solve next week hopefully mine works
Fingers crossed for you mate. I think it's my shower that's gassing the treatments off before they get a chance to work. Hopefully this dose the job
@@dannycurrie1 hopefully mate. This video is definitely a good heads up because I wouldn't of even though of the shower gassing the treatment off that's another thing learned 👌👍
@@progressivepondkeeping I'd not thought of it either but was speaking to Darren at absolute koi. He reckons momataro koi farm (the ones who developed bhm) turn all there showers off when treating for flukes. It's about the only thing I've not tried so worth a go. Even if it dose knock my bio back alot
@@dannycurrie1 if those boys do it it's gotta be right 👌
Masoten worked for me
That's good to hear. Fingers crossed mine dose too
i would say you use fluke m and do what it says and turn your water outlet to the top of your filter in the moving bed
I used fluke m on the grow on over winter. 3 treatments and I had more flukes than when I started, I've got some proper resistant little buggers
only 1 treatment i use for flukes and it works one dose is all it needs but you will have to private message me
I wish that was the case for me. They have already had 2 full dose of lernex Pro and its not worked. Got more flukes than when I started
@@dannycurrie1 ok get some superverm it works well but if you have goldfish in pond forget it but harmless to koi 60ml per 1000 gallons not only does it kill flukes it destroys all eggs some people will be against it but if used correctly it’s a winner no harm to filter media and using pp has its advantages but using it to strip fish mucus is a no no you are removing their natural defence mechanism
@@jasonhowell5362 ill have a look into that 👍
Maybe put the microscope away and let the fish recover from the overload of chemicals through the summer and their immune system will hopefully recover enough to deal with things naturally.
I agree with you mate but when the fish are flashing constantly and you have parasites, ignoring it isn't an option. Believe me I don't want to be any more treatments in the pond than I have to
PP doesn't get rid of flukes, use fluke M 2 times, make sure to clean filter and pond first.
I know mate. The pp is to strip the mucus from the koi to allow the treatment to penetrant better. I've used fluke m on several occasions and it's not touched them
@@dannycurrie1 wow very odd another medication we use in the states is prazi pro with high salt.
@@Davidj3 flukes solve that I've just used the main ingredient is prazipraziquantel so it's probably a similar treatment. I've not used it with salt though
Might be flukes in your shower or eggs
Flukes tend to live on the koi not the pond walls. But I know what your saying. I believe momataro koi farm turn all there showers off when treating for flukes. If it works for them 🤷♂️
Why are u using pp for flukes mate there much better products out there and there not harsh on fish or filter and fluke s works a treat boi
The pp was used to strip the mucus to allow the fluke treatments to penetrate better. I understand its harsh but I've had already used 3 dose of fluke m and 2 of lernex Pro wich have had no affect so I believed it was nessaary. Surprisingly it's had little affect on the filters and the fluke solve that went in after ses to have done the job this time
U should have used chloramine t to get rid of mucus them used fluke s the fluke m is not very gd at all u can double the dose and still won’t hit them the biggest problem for the fish is stress that bring on most problems in the koi the only thing I would use pp for us to quicken up k1 media