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- Simple Harley Engines have always been what made the the Harley engine great but those days are numbered. It's become pretty clear Harley-Davidson will be adding a variable valve timing system to the Milwaukee 8. The new redesigned 2023 Harley-Davidson CVO model's leaked photos revealed some interesting details and one photo caught my eye but wasn't getting a lot of attention. VVT has some great benefits with performance, fuel economy and emissions. This sounds like win win but it's going to add complexity to the engine and who knows if it will work or cause other problems with the engine.
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Do you think the Variable Valve Timing system is going to work well or do you think it's going to cause some unforseen issues?
Oh no it is 100% going to cause some issues, tha k God it's only on the dentist's and lawyers bikes for now
I think it'll be fine until people mess with it, just like any other evo-after Harley... They only really start to have problems when people mess with them... Yes my 103 has a stage one... Hopefully stage 2 soonish, but simple fact if you leave them alone they're reliable... I modify all my vehicles, my bikes, my trucks, but good on HD for doing what they have to do to keep a real v-twin alive
It will be a nightmare, just as it has been on cars.
It's beats up cams in pretty much every engine It's in.
Gm already has it on its v8 pushrod engines -
No problems -
The EPA needs to be defunded!
The very definition of a rogue, omnipotent, unaccountable government agency.
Same for every “govt” agency..
A bd investigated 😂
Absolutely. Why is it every Nation is allowed to do as they please but us? The EPA is nothing more than a cash cow for the government and another form of control over our freedoms...
So in your world, its a good idea to close the Environmental watchdog so that you can do whatever you want along with people like you? The EPA is doing their job, you just dont like it because it forces progression, im sure if you had the chance you would go back to the 2 stroke also? Give me a break, the EPA serves a purpose, you just dont like it
Screw the epa, screw the government. They need to leave "WE THE PEOPLE" alone. It's time for government to do their job and let America and Americans do our jobs.
I'm for simplicity, fuck the regulations, they're killing joy while fattening greasy pockets, give me some noise and less nightmares... if I wanna fly I'll buy a riceburner...I wanna cruise n feel it !!! Evo, 🇦🇺
Stick to my Evo, Musk and his exploded rockets n Ev can whistle Dixie
So in your world, its a good idea to close the Environmental watchdog so that you can do whatever you want along with people like you? The EPA is doing their job, you just dont like it because it forces progression, im sure if you had the chance you would go back to the 2 stroke also? Give me a break, the EPA serves a purpose
@@snakebite6511 yes they do , they hound the little guy so the government and the rich can keep their super yacht s private planes ,gas and coal mines , while Joe blow buys a coal charged Ev shitbox to save the planet
@@snakebite6511 I loved my two stroke motorcycles and would still have one if I could afford it and to hell with these climate change pushers and electric cars, I ain't changing for anyone, smelly motorcycles all the way 😝
I can't find V V T anywhere in my Evo service manual GF. Looks like I'm still good with the 80 cubic inches I work on...😂
If you did it would be time to dump the EVO!
The motorcycle industry is following the steps of the automobile industry where it becomes more difficult to do your own repairs every time a new generation comes out.
The HD evolution won't affect me moving forward. Not a chance I will ever pay 30k for a bike that I'm going to have to dump another 15-20k into to make it perform. I'll stick with my good ol twin cam 96.
I agree! Prices are insane. I'll stick with my 1998 Road King Classic (vivid black) with the awesome 80 ci Evo!! Will never sell it.
@@ronripley9197 yeah u shouldnt. Evos are great
@Greg You don't need upgrades. You WANT upgrades. Similar to Camaro and Mustang owners........people always want more.
@Peter Angles lol well thats something to consider. A true performance bagger
@Greg 88ci Fatboy crew!
I think the older bikes and parts are going to be highly sought after. Save those old parts.
Yup, prices will skyrocket on older machines.
I have a first year EVO - 1984 FXST. That was my first (and possibly only) bike I've ever owned. What I like about it, is it is simple. I can FIX IT on the side of the road! I don't need an advanced degree in electronics engineering, and I don't need a computer (and a pile of specialty tools) to trouble shoot failures and, more than likely, I WON'T need it to be 'towed' to the dealer...
I guess the slimy asskissing stealership salesmen aren't calling you saying "I got a plate of lunch for ya buddy" bullsh#@?
Evos are the best
I think evo was the best motor Harley ever designed,ss ,those motors big cam and head work they scream
I have an '84 FXST. I got it as a gift from my father in 1990 upon my return stateside from military service. I had 2 failures that were not my fault. A compliance fitting split open and launched my carburetor. I got home that day thanks to a wad of chewing gum. The next day I replaced the fittings with a solid intake manifold and that problem was solved. The second failure was 3 years later when the electronic ignition module died mid ride. I had to push my bike nearly 5 miles home in the rain. The next day I replaced that electronic ignition with points ignition and had 11 trouble free years. I still run points on both of my Evos. Even as the Evo powered generations progressed, I knew that the "last days" of Harley Dadvidson were on the short horizon. When the twin cam came out, I knew that the end had come.
@@Rif_Leman: Small world! I bought mine in 1988, while home on leave from Germany!
with the issues Harley has had with engines in the pass, evo case cracking and lifters, twin cam chain tensioners and crank, 8m sumping and crank. hasn't really stood behind those problems. You really think Harley is going to pull this off? I'll stick with my 103 hp with alot of aftermarket parts. Not buying anything from Harley Davidson over priced and low quality
The twin cam wouldn't be bad if HD didn't cheap out on the parts. It should have had a proper crankshaft, crank bearings, and cam bearings. Theres no reason for the inner cam chain at all, that should be gears. I can live with the outer cam chain but it should have had a long chain guide/tensioner NOT a little bitty tensioner pad.
I'm not interested in owning anything HD made after 2017. With each new release I like them less and less. If I get a brand new bike it won't be HD.
As time goes by the twin cam will be seen in a better light. Just upgraded my cam chest in my 12 streetglide. 570-2 cyclorama cams. 98.7 h.p. and 116 ftlbs tourque. It's a hotrod now.
The HD reliability is not good these days... I am on my 3rd M8 HD in 4 years. First one was a leaker and consumed excessive oil. My 2nd developed bad lifters, which ate the cam. And at 8500 miles it sumped destroying the engine. I now own a 2023 Street Glide with the smaller 107. I installed DK Customs external head breathers and a Trask transmission vented cover. My goal is to eliminate blowby. So far, so good. My next install is the oil cooler fan and the Fueling short sump plug. Some of the factory installed plugs are driven too far into the case, which contributes to the sumping issue. If this engine fails, it will be my last HD. I purchased a 5 year extended private company warranty so I can sleep better. HD needs to work on the overheating issue that kills these engines. My two cents :-)
I was a young boy when I bought my first Panhead (used) long before most on here were born. The saying was Harleys are a great bike once you rip all the Harley junk off of it. Over my lifetime I've found a lot of wisdom in that statement. And what you say is true. What would it cost to do a gear driven cam setup, decent bearings and some of the other OEM junk that most of us have ripped out and replaced with quality parts? Harley claims to assemble a "premium" motorcycle. Typical lies coming out of the Marketing department. There is nothing premium about a stock Harley Davidson. Maybe a decent crank would add significant cost but better bearings? Better tensioners?
I love my stroked and bored evo. Pulls fine. Simple to keep alive.
Evo’s forever 🤘🏽
Screw computers, fuel injection.
Harley Davidson is going to evolve themselves right out of business, mark my words. VVT engines rely on oil system sensors to operate, sensors in oil are always a problem. I have been a mechanic on both cars and bikes for too many years to recall, and variable valve timing engines in cars have caused more grief than not. I don't even want to think about VVT on an air cooled V twin, sounds like a total nightmare. But that's just my opinion.
We all have em 8:24
They don't have a choice. Won't be long before the government doesn't allow air/oil cooled engines. This isn't a Harley thing, it is an EPA thing.
The EPA wants to put
ALL gasoline powered
Cars AND motorcycles
out of business,,!!
That is the progressive
and Liberal agenda,,
DEMONcrats run the
EPA and other parts
of our government,
right now,,!!
Don't vote for them,,
Maybe we can kill
some of their WOKE
ideas,,!! Otherwise
we will all be riding
electric motorcycles
and cars,,!!
I don't think anything they do to reduce emissions is going to satisfy these global warming nazis. They won't be happy till they eliminate all motor vehicles from the general public. They'll still have them though. If it was so true about emissions, why
aren't they talking about hydrogen? Electric vehicles & self driving cars will never work for the general public.
At leased not in the forseeable future.
I would not buy the VVT engine until the bugs are worked out... I have zero interest in being HD's test dummy, especially at the prices these bikes are going for.
I'll stick with my twin cam. The Milwaukee 8 with vvt sounds like voodoo.
Here here!
I feel the same. I had an M8 and traded back to a TC. Hopefully we will be able to continue to get parts so we can rebuild these
@@mattcottrell3336had my doubts for a while to buy a m8. Then test road it. No soul in it and sound like a sewing machine. Turned it back after the rest ride and road of om my dyna 🎉
I'm curious about it, just as much as with the twin cooling. The twin cooling is great but the down fall was something as simple as the housing on the electric water pump cracking and failing. Now we're messing with oil, pressure and electric solenoids. The 45 twin depends on that oil for everything!
@pierrebornerot4689 agreed. I had a heritage classic for about a year with the 107. No vibration, no growl. It could gitty up but didn't feel like a Harley to me. The dreaded oil pump drama mixed with Harley ESP made me come to the realization that the 103 was the last great motor of the pushrod era. I bought a road king with the 103 and decided I liked it so much, that I went to a low mileage Rushmore bike with a 103. Has been reliable so far and a smooth ride. I really hope Harley doesn't rid themselves of the original motor design, there's nothing else like it. The sound and feel, the ability to customize and the family that comes with just owning one. I'm 35 years old, but the feeling I get on these is unmatched. I liked my Hondas, but I loved my Harleys...
Harley will complicate themselves out of business. Go ask your local dealer how many new sportsters theve sold. I've been to 4 dealerships in northwest Indiana. Not 1 of the 4 dealerships has sold a new sportster since they were released.
$15,000.00 for a Sportster? Rode a 1200XLC for 10years and only paid $3000.00 for it used.
My thoughts, I'll never be able to afford a 50 thousand dollar harley anyway so I'll just keep my little 95" twin turd with 525 cams and b happy...when that goes I'll bore the cylinders to 98" and still save money...and for a 20 year old bike it still looks damn good
I'd stay away from the first two model years with the VVT
At least.
Real talk.
You know the M8 came out in 17 and I wouldn't personally touch one unless it's 2020 or newer.
@@GixxerFoo fact, my 2021 FXLRS I just traded in ran great, just over 40k miles, no problems.
I met a few people that had massive failures on 2018/2019 M8s. 😬
I have ,flatheads ,(45,74,80 inch ) knuckleheads 61,74 inch panhead 74 inch
( my beloved 64 ) and a 1999 heritage evo I don't give a dead rats ass what the hell Harley does .yes I am a old man .and I like this channel
You've got some gold in the garage, those bikes are true treat to ride!
@@GixxerFoo garage my ass. They are in the house .
Harley is overpricing themselves out of the market
Thanks for the vid... (IMO) VVT, is just the next step in complexity and ever increasing price point. Jochen Zeitz is German born Climate change Cultist. (took only 10 seconds to google him) 40+ years in Corporate America taught me many things. One is want to know where a company is going. I need look no further than who ('m) is at the top. It's not just HDMC. EU emission standards seem to be the general direction all industries are heading.
I think it is time Harley-Davidson stop satisfying the government, and start satisfying the customer. The everyday Rider.
I’ll stay with the old stuff. Harley isn’t know for its reliability now, this won’t help it.
I'm 50 and I have two carburated shovelheads. They will last for the rest of my lifetime.
Amen, fuck paying 50 plus grand for the new Harleys
As long as the parts are still available
@@warlock9445 True, but there's no sign of parts getting scarce. In the last couple of years I have bought a NOS OEM speedometer and a complete NOS exhaust system for my two-year-only 1982 FXRS shovelhead. Harley and air-cooled BMW's have an endless supply of parts.
Evo sportster is the best engine ever
I had the first year. Chain drive 4 spd. $3995.00. I eventually punched it to a 74 but sold it in 96 after 21,000 fun miles. Wish I still had it.
All feelings aside and stick to the facts you're a fool to argue that point!
People shit on sporties but I love them. Probably gonna buy a used beater as my backup bike in the next year or two.
Until HD eliminated the "Trap Door" for the transmission, so they could charge a minimum of $2500.00 to split your cases to fix a transmission problem. What a scam. Indian followed suit by installing their oil pump inside the engine case.
Anything Harley comes out with will have problems and Harley will leave it up to the customer to fix it.
cam bearing on the 1999, cam chain tensioners on twin cams, compensator on 2005, Oil pumps on M8
I've owned several Harley's including a stock '57 Panhead, stock '39 Knucklehead. Still riding after 49 years. Ride a stock '99 Heritage Springer evolution motor is the best, bulletproof.
Amen ❤😊
I have my heart set on an Evo powered machine for my next addition
107” M8❤ ‘020 FLHX ridden some 50, 🫠🫶🏻👊🏻🤛🏻🤟🏼☠️
Miles😏
,000 😎
i think h-d problem right now is....miller lite....
Glad I got a 1200 Evo and 103ho. Good enough for the rest of my life.
I've got no fuel injectors, no catalytic converters,
and nothing in the budget for Harley mechanics.
I'm good.
Sold my new stuff went back to a carbureted softail springer I'm done
I have a 91 Electra for over 25yrs runs solid, no problems, that's in my budget 😊
That's true freedom, just ride, wrench and enjoy!
It’s all about the Benjamin’s💵
Government regulations suk
Yeah ; more and more epa sensors.
Time to go back in time - 👌👍👌
AGREED! A well dialed carb is just as good as FI in a lot of cases, new tech is great while it works but eventually plastic fails. All these new electronic components are plastic cases!
Why do VVT when your exhaust and intake cams aren't separate? They should have stayed with twin cam and did a gear drive with a thicker cover and then add VVT.oops I forgot too much run out with shity crank bearings. We're doomed.
Got my 01 road king a year ago with 9k miles. Shop advised me to swap out the FI for a carb so i did. The bike came to life with that Mikuni carb. I just got my feuling cam chest kit with the 525 cams in the mail today. Cant wait to have those installed. I love my road king and cant wait to upgrade it some more. Brother, i really enjoy watching your videos. The amount of information you provide is crazy. I actually got my cam chest kit because of you. Thanks for putting in the effort and thanks for helping me get my bike healthy.
You got a good shop that actually recommended a carb swap! That cam is gonna transform your bike and easy to tune with the carb! Thank you for your support on the channel, that's what keeps me going!
My dad bought a 1981 cb900c new and gave it to me in 2000. It is air/oil cooled and has 83,000 miles now and has been in the shop once to check the valves. One needed adjustment. Other than that, it has been just routine maintenance.
valve adjustment is routine maintenance.
Great video Gixxer, I'm actually surprised the semi air cooled motor is still going, especially with the strict EPA regulations, as an old school wrencher the days of working on your own shit is almost out the door . I have 2 twin cams and 2 shovelheads , I can keep them bikes running with my eyes closed. Very curious about the vvt in the new bikes and how it's gonna effect performance upgrades. As always keep the vids coming 👍
Regulations have forced a lot of innovations over the years
I really appreciate what you do and still doing your own work! I truly believe that even with this new tech coming in guys like you and I will continue to do our own work. The feelings when the twin cam came out was doing your own work was over and here we are today tearing that twin cam down like it's nothing!
Indian is going to push Harley to come up with something different
A good rule of thumb is if your shiny new Harley starts sounding like two skeletons f#@king on a tin roof, it needs to go to the shop.
With an old shovel, it's supposed to sound that way.
So am I hearing I should get the last brand-new 2022 Evolution 48 before it's gone???
I can see the aftermarket develop a kit to remove the variable valve timing for performance engines !
It took me 30yrs to warm up enough to the Evo to buy a '97 WideGlide so my '72 ElectraGlide could take a well earned break.
I know my opinion doesn't count for much, but to me, the last Harley rolled off the assembly line with an Evo engine in it.
WELL SAI D BREED ,
I "' L L STICK WITH MY EV0 F X L R .
I 100% agree. Own 2 EVO's & a Twin Cam. I prefer the simplicity of the Evo, the sound, the vibration, the heritage to the Knuckle, Pan, Shovel. It's the sound EVERY American loves. Whether or not they'll admit it.
@@kevinoconnor2921
I own a Shovel and an Evo, because to me, they both retain the original spirit of Harley Davidson.
A few years ago, I bought an 02 Heritage Softtail Springer with a Twinkie in it, but I got rid of it after 2mos because it had no soul.
Even my wife refused to ride on it with me.
If it had an Evo in it, Id'a kept it.
Evo's an older for me. I don't knock technology but I'll sit back and let young riders pay HD for their mistakes.
The last “Easy” motor for the DYI Mechanic to work on was the Shovel. It was built like a Tractor with loose tolerances. Starting with the EVO, tolerances started to get tighter. Now everything is computer controlled. 🏍💨🏍💨
There's nothing like a simple motor, the way it's supposed to be, its a motor cycle, plain n simple.
Loved my shovel,still loving my flathead 55 kh
The shovel could be built on a dirt floor in a barn and it didn't care, the Evo could take a piece of wood under it on the dirt floor. But no doubt shovel was the last I don't care motor before tight tolerance took over. 60w oil in the shovel and good to go!
It’s all relative. I think the TC is a simple engine with loose tolerances in comparison to almost every other motorcycle engine out there. You can pull the engine and split the cases within an hour, at least a carb’d TC.
I can relate my 383 stroker back-in-the-day. Super simple
I would rather them drop production to the point they don't have to comply with epa bs
if they didnt comply with the epa they would be out of business
Depends on the volume of production. Below a certain number does not have the same epa regulations.
@@bradleyyounger8499 they have way to many people in salary positions to do that!!!
Never happen!!!
It's getting rough for the air cooled twin, Indian is already signaling on the big twin with the Challenger where they are going. Harley took a different approach on the Sportster going all water cooled. Sadly it's never going to be the same, but it could be close if they do it right.
@@bradleyyounger8499 let me know where it shows exceptions for production volume.
www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2004-01-15/pdf/04-6.pdf
The golfers that run the company think they are building the latest Gold Wing or BMW. Simplicity and reliability are the true HD hallmark. Us dedicated EVO pilots laugh while today's company flounders into oblivion.
I'm for simplicity, fuck the regulations, they're killing joy while fattening greasy pockets, give me some noise and less nightmares... if I wanna fly I'll buy a riceburner...I wanna cruise n feel it !!! Evo, Twinkie
Agreed, that it will be their last air-cooled engine. Engines are getting too big to cool by just air and oil. Glad i got a twin cam. May it run forever
It's the electronics that will be impossible to find for the twin cams if anything. Harley is already discontinuing brain boxes for them and as of now, no aftermarket company is picking up the issue and offering replacements
@bryanhadley8704 you are correct. I'm sure the aftermarket will try to catch up. Hopefully they can
Ask any Ford owner about the variable valve timing ....CRAPOLA!
My question is are they going to need to fix the crank run out issues if they are going to using vvt. Doent everything have to be precise fit?
Well Gixer complicated is just expensive pays to wait and see how it goes for the first couple of years.
Great video brother all the best from NZ 🇳🇿
I think you are right. They have to do something to keep up with the EPA.
Just put a version of the Rev Max in all bikes already. I get the love of air-cooled motors , I enjoy my M8 Road King but you can't run from this much longer.
I have a 96 tc with a 107 bbk that sounds like a Harley (for injection anyway). They can keep those m8 that sound like a goldwing with a miss.
Those Twin Cams aren't bad engines at all, even with injection. Big cam and injection sounds mean and it performs.
@@GixxerFoo I put a s&s cam chest kit with 585 ez and v&h big shots staggered. Thank you for your videos. You're the reason I took the chance on rebuilding it myself otherwise I wouldn't have tore an engine down with no problems and only 44k on it. Those 585s are a lot better than the se 211s I was using.
Hopefully they didn't copy GM VVT ideas. The 8cyl/4cyl 5.3 Vortec in my Silverado is a ticking time bomb!
But why buy new? Unless you're one of those who must have the latest and greatest🙄to impress the other RUBs at the country club!
S&S is making high quality, high performance replacement 'retro' motors from Knuckleheads to Twinkies. Chassis parts (stock or aftermarket) are widely available.
I'll keep my 99 twin cam with my Holley screaming eagle double pumper thank you very much !
As with previous new harley engine versions I will wait 2 to 3 years for them to sort the problems out. By then they will be introduced into the " relatively " more affordable models. But wait I will be 73 by then so maybe just stay with my Lowrider ST.
How about the Harley V4. Legendary and balanced.
It's a true shame they never brought that to market, you'd think one of those prototypes would of escaped the factory.
After owning 2 brand new M8 roadglides 17,18 both spending more time in shop than my garage with mechanical issues ,I think it'll work & do what they expect however first few years on market there will be an opened huge can worms & nonstop issues that only up to date Harley techs can resolve,would not go there for the world....imo.....there's nothing worse than spending near 50k on new bike & accessories only to ride dealer loan bikes 80% of the time if your lucky....Much rather spend 20k less on low km 2nd hand twincam than deal with stators,oil locks,endless oil pumps backing plates recalls recalls recalls ,All twincams I had were faultless never an issue ever .Its same with all new models of anything cars bikes trucks etc etc first few years have issues with few even lemons & last models normally floorless unless it's China junk.....
I’m more afraid of HD being forced to go All EV and that hand will be forced by the government!!! 😳
The more complicated anything gets,the more moving parts it has ,the more it's prone to failure, doesn't matter what it's task is ,bike boat car house , thanks for the information,but it will be a bid win for dealers n that's about it
Thank you for your videos I enjoy them every time.
I really don't think VVT will be worth it on a low-revving push-rod engine. I feel that the complexity & likely cost increase will yield minimal fruit; compared to a basic OHC engine. The weekend wrenchers won't like it either, especially if they have to go waaaaay out of their way for a simple cam-swap & such.
Keep it simple, H-D!! Invest now in a next-gen OHC rather than putting lipstick on a hog. Leave the M8 alone and allow we garage mechanics the tinkering time we deserve.
They dropped the sporster line. It's just a matter of time with harley now. They will milk it but I think govt and history is closing in on them.
It's a cool idea, but I'll keep my twin cam, cheap parts and reliable operation that I can work on,
Electric 😉
No
Thank you!
You better get a extended warranty
One year doesn’t matter so much, but the first model year of production for the MM fuel injection was 1995, with the introduction of the 30th anniversary Electra Glide.
I’ll stick with my 1996 Evo. Love this bike. My boy will get it when I can no longer ride.
When you said "it looked impossibly complicated" I just about spit my drink out laughing. Oh yeah twin cam, cutting edge. Maybe we can sell it to NASA!
Consider doing a video on Fueling Sump Plug and if it helps the sumping issue. Seems to be cheap, common sense helper/fix.
Looks like the transmission right cover has changed aswell, hmmmm? Reverse?
Oh no.
Good catch, maybe a reverse? I am really interested to get some tech specs on this new engine and trans.
Big question why mess with Harley engine go big and strong s and s . nothing beats s&s. 117, 124 , 143, 145 and ive seen a 160 cubic. S&s.
I've said for years S&S took where Harley failed and made a fortune on it!
VVT makes sense. More efficient and more horsepower. With fuel, spark advance and cam timing all computer controlled that's how we get little engines that perform so well. Now, if we could just add a turbo and effective valve cooling . . .
VVT is garbage, period. I will not go higher than a 2023 HD period. Otherwise, I will purchase from Indian. Thank God I have my Twin Cam.
Hang onto that twin cam! We'll see what Indian does going forward, I would of thought they would of went VVT before Harley. Harley will likely have problems and Indian will introduce VVT successfully. It's not like Harley doesn't hire good engineers, a lot of cost cutting if you ask me.
Requesting help from this crowd.. kinda long story but..
I had some seizures last year. Consequently, my HD has sat for the duration of my driving restriction (one year). It’s a ‘14 Dyna TC 103 w/ stage 1 (no oil tank like a soft tail). I understand, “sumping is not new.” How can I remove any oil settled that would be sumped, if any? Will a simple oil change be a resolution?
I believe I saw there’s a crank sensor during a “Twin Cam Tear Down” video. Can oil be drained from there to avoid sumping? Another vid guy said run my crank case breather tubes into a bottle when I fire it up again and let the engine blow it out. My worry is the screens of the breathers in the rocker box. Should I refrain from starting it and open the cam chest to pour out any that may be settled? I just want to avoid any problems. Thanks, y’all
I had a TC96 and after about a week of not using it the oil would drain into the crank. Starting it would refill the tank which you don't have but im assuming it would just recirculate like normal. Maybe just let it run a minute make sure you don't hear anything weird?
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Geeze, I wish Harley Davidson would come out with a Brand New Evo "Throw-Back". I just don't understand the need for these HUGE Displacement Motors on a Harley.
EFI Evos came out in 1995 with the 30th anniversary Electraglide. I own one #1697 I should know. Now if they do a direct injection 60th anniversary Electraglide I’d buy it.
I can't afford a new one, so at this point idc.
Milwaukee 8 114 is awesome in the Colorado Rockies. I normally ride at 8,000 to 12,000 ft. The M8 doesn't even notice.
I'll take that technology.
F the EPA & their regulations!! Another commenter is right "defund the EPA" they do not have law making powers, that is specifically reserved for congress.
I agree i think they will some issues at the beginning but will be sorted out i never owned or ridden a m8 yet but like ya said anything harley can do to the v twin alive for as long as possible has my vote i will keep my 103 electra glide for as long as possible love that bike great vids as usual gix have a great week
I have never seen a group of people complain so must as Harley riders, they want Harley t stay exactly the same as it was 40 years ago. The funny part is most of the people who complain don't support Harley anyway, sure they ride a Harley from a couple decades gone by; however, they have not purchased nor do they have any intention of purchasing a new Harley yet they are the ones complaining the most.
Ive owned several Harley's over the years and own 3 right now, 2009 Rocker C, 2021 Street Glide and my wife rides a 2009 Tri Glide, we love our Harley's but also ok with evolving, personally i cant wait for Harley to bring out a larger version of the RevMax engine designed for a Street Glide & i know my wife would love the RevMax in a new Tri Glide.
I have no interest in working on my bikes, if i need something, the dealership is the qualified ones to complete.
Recently just added stage 2 to my Street Glide, dealership is the one i trust, certainly not some backyard mechanic and i have no interest or desire to do it myself.
So bring on progression
evolve or die. HD as a company needs to progress, while still walking a balance of preserving the "essence" of a harley. The VVT might have a few bugs out of the gate (just like the M8 did), but overtime, as with anything else, mechanics will adapt
HD QC on internal mechanics is garbage. They like to compensate for slop, rather than than fine tune, and fix known issues. Unless they tighten up QC, I don’t have much faith. They are more worried about fit and Finnish, and t-shirts
Frankly I do not see why anyone buys a new Harley at all. For the price that Harley-Davidson charges you could go and buy an s&s motor and build a whole bikes that pleases you around that motor and it will be cheaper than you buying a ton of ship parts that you will throw away. Today's motorcycles are not motorcycles they are collection of government regulations on two wheels. Simple ended with the carburetor ed evolution motor. Reliability and dependability also ended with the evolution motor powered bikes. You can buy a complicated state-of-the-art BMW or goldwing and it will be reliable from brand new unlike the Harley Davidson which will need another $10,000 worth of engine works toward into it to become semi reliable. I would need her take a brand new Harley nor a used one because of so many expensive mechanical issues to deal with.
We all knew the day was coming and as the new engines were being introduced the groundwork was being laid right before our eyes. First it was that electric “motorcycle” and then the RevMax engine to this engine. And before too long, we’ll be forced into retirement because gasoline won’t be available. That or oil. Ride’m while we got’m boys!! @gixxerfoo thanks for making this video. It’s time.
VVT is a good idea in theory. The problem is Harley tends to rush things to production and as we know, never buy anything new from Harley for at least 3 years until they work the kinks out! Another thing is the price of a new Herley is close and in some instances more than a Lexus or a Mercedes! You cannot sustain a product at those prices! Customers will be forced to walk away.
the air intake on the 121... going back to the hamcan
It sure looks like it! It's they are trying to pressurize and air box behind the filter with the design I am seeing there.
I would wait at least 3 years before buying one. I am convinced HD does not thoroughly test new designs
They got to get rid of the people running Harley Davidson, they’re absolutely clueless
I think its a fail . Its hard to believe guys will spend 65 grand on a M8 ridiculous . Plastic parts, but S&S has the up grad. Maybe if Harley quit making engines that fail and start using high end materials and labor they might pull out of the slump .
Just wait till the democrats say your old bike cannot be on the road anymore….. oh it’s coming
107 and 114 will be gone in a short few years. The 117 will be standard and the 121 will be an upgrade.
like everything in the harley world there will be some problems but the aftermarket will come to the rescue. A VVT sprocket , control solenoid ,cam sensor and associated electronics are all proven technology in the automotive world , lets see how they adapt it.
Can you do a "This cam is for you" video for TC? You've done a lot of cam videos, But never really drilled down into "rev ranges". I tend to redline 1st/2nd but then mid shift. But I am 100% ignorant on aftermarket cams.
Harley needs a lot more than just VVT, like water cooling, relocating or dumping the oil tank and routing the exhaust pipes away from all rider parts. As a rider I get way to much heat from the engine. I would also like to see the fuel tank moved down low to reduce the top heaviness.
Still super happy with my 91 FXR I inherited. 16358 miles on it. When I do the lifters I will bump up the compression a little and add a Woods cam. Zero interest in going 140 miles an hour, the bike cruises like no one’s business already. It’s crazy to see a bike cost more than a full-size truck!
You have a great channel. Thanks
Thank you, and thank you for your support!
I think there turning Japanese !
They idle like one
Both of my Patriots, have the 2.4 Dual VVT system. The engine is basically a motorcycle engine, with DOHC and four valves per cylinder.
On the road, it sips gas in cruise control. But when you step on it, it's just like when a bike engine gets up on the cam: the beer muscles kick in, and the tach needle bounces off the redline. I expect that the Rev Max engine does the same thing.
Harley is boycotted... It's over and time to walk away
can we put a magneto along with the carb on a Twinkie?