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- The Evolution Harley lacked in one area compared to the Twin Cam and that's the cooling the system. The Evo Harley didn't run very hot but it did lack in the cooling system due to the much smaller and lesser number of cooling fins. The Twin Cam was upgraded with larger cylinders, more fins and not only more cooling fins but larger. This increased the cooling surface area which was good for the motor but it also had some unintended consequences. The Twin Cam engine cooled better, but it generated more heat which in the end was transferred to the rider.
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Do you prefer the much simpler Evo engine or the increased power we can get from the Twin Cam engine?
I feel very blessed that I found an 02 twin cam 88 carbureted with the Timken bottom end. Runs solid ,, with the V&H pipes and cams -- Beautiful galloping sound
I've had both and though I love my TC, and despite it being quite a bit more powerful than my old FXDWG, I do kinda miss the long stroke, heavy flywheel feel of the Evo
When they widened the bore and shortened the stroke I think a little Harley magic was lost..
@@lanceandmelanierogers6255 ... I have the same. 02 TC-88 carbureted. Mine's an Electra Glide. I will NEVER sell it! Pics and videos on my channel if interested
Tc96-110
@@back-woods … that’s a great engine
I do think the twin cam motor, with the black cases and polished cylinder fin edges, is the prettiest engine HD has made to date.
Sorry, but the pan head is just flat out sexy.
The CVO 110 engine was a work of art diamond fins beautiful
Twin Cam 88;
Harley’s nicest looking engine👍🏻😎
The early seventies competition XR750 was the best looking 🏁
Street: both the panhead and knuckle look better than a Twinkie & evo
Except for almost every other Harley engine....
I have never owned an Evo, but I will take my Twin Cams any day of the week and twice on Sunday over my Milwaukee 8.
Twin cam made and will continue to make a fortune for aftermarket manufacturing ,at least its helping the economy .
I'm 62 years old and have been riding since I was 16. I have owned a broad variety of Harleys, including Ironhead Sportsters (my all-time favorite, having been through three of them before I was 19, and still riding the third one purchased when I was 19, a 1976 XLCH). My current "modern" Harley is my second Twin Cam, a 2013 Road King, purchased new to replace my 2000 Road King that was rather unceremoniously run over by an F250. With my wife and I still on it... That bike ran a very uneventful 120,000 miles before its demise, and the current example is fast approaching 80,000. Absolutely the two most rouble free vehicles, two wheeled or four, I have ever owned. And my wife drive Subarus. My two "Twinkies" have so vastly outperformed and outlived any of my Evos (not to mention the Shovels) that they aren't even in the same league. I have rolled up an honest 600,000+ miles on my variety of Harleys owned over the years and, I'm here to tell you, the Twinkie has won me over. As a long range, high mileage touring bike, they cannot be beat. I don't hot rod them - I ride them "as is", save for touring oriented mods (racks, seats, pegs, etc.), which may be the "key to my success". Leave 'em stock inside, and they are wonderfully reliable, long lived touring machines. I plan on "riding off into the sunset" on my current Road King.
@@ClovisPoint and that’s why you’ll always be looking at our tail lights 😂
This comment should be pinned
I’m 3 years into my first twin cam. Despite the clatter of the top end. It’s won me over. It’s been great to me. I’ve ridden it in temperatures from 16* to 120*. Been every where east of Oklahoma. I wouldn’t think twice about riding coast to coast tomorrow.
The clatter can be simply corrected with a set of Rocker Lockers or Rockouts did both of my twin cams now super quiet.
Put 134.000 on my 99 Evo. Loved that ride, totaled in 2017. Just got my 1st twin cam. 2007 Fatboy, 96", with , get this, 1,820 miles on it. Beautiful machine, runs very well. Only put 100 miles on it so far, but looking for another 200,000. Ill turn 70 soon .... so I'll be rolling up the miles while I can. see ya on the road!
I'll be 70 in July. Still riding strong
Just past 172k kms on my 2004 Electra, primary started to leak a little but still running strong. Aiming for 200k now. 😆
I have a 2005 Deluxe with the carborated 88 and a stage one on it and it sounds awesome. This bike is the last real Harley I think , and will never sell it. To all you carberated deluxe owners , you have a true gem!!. Hang on to it.
Have the same ride. Mine has fuel injection and thank God for that. I live in the mountains. Such a joy never to have to mess with jets and sync again!
I agree. The last real Harley for sure.
My ‘06 FXDWGI has been reliable so far and has always got me home running the same as when I left, but it does get warm between the legs at long stop lights. I’ve got to quit watching your engine upgrade videos, Foo, as I’m satisfied with my stock 88 TC when I’m riding, but then I come home and watch your videos and say “Oh, I need that!”. I did get a fan assisted horizontal mount oil cooler for it and I’m switching to Amzoil for the engine, primary, and transmission when I install the cooler at my next oil change. I’ve also got some hard bags and a Harley speedo/tach combo to install but as I get older that “more power” addiction is waning as old age creeps in. That is until I watch one of your big bore, hotter cams, air cleaner, or other upgrades that instantly get me to thinking “I gotta have that!” so back off on the Twin Cam upgrade videos, Foo, or at least have TH-cam post “Warning that this video may be hazardous to your wallet.” before them.
2003 Roadie with 114,300 miles. EFI has never missed a beat.. Lifters were replaced at 100K along with rubber motor mounts. wrenching new tensioners every 30K is the only issue, but that is what Winters are for. I just put in set#4 at 106K, none of them failed and were still usable
I read an article 20 years ago about the TC vs the Evo and what issues were addressed. The TC had improved alloys for reduced porosity and greater strength, the gearbox bolted directly to the crankcase for increased rigidity, no more inner primary cracking, oiling system was improved, 50% greater fin area for improved cooling. The twicam design was for improved valve train geometry but the chain drive was to reduce sound emissions to placate the EPA. Unfortunately, HD was slow to fix issues like the cam tensioners and they began to cheap out by going with pressed together cranks.
I love my 2006 Springer Classic so I had the cam chest redone with S&S oilpump, hydraulic tensioners and innerplate. If it ever needed a new engine, I'd go S&S..none of the new bikes appeal to me..
Always a way to upgrade/make it better no matter what year.
My twin cam 88 2005 super glide custom just keeps on starting and going with only minor issues in the past. Had it for 5 years , 50,000 miles. Still going good.
The twin cam is reliable once you fixed the problem areas! I’ve been running my 02 FXSTB with the screaming eagle hole shot kit ( 21 tooth motor sprocket ) in the primary for 19 years now! 3 weeks ago I put a New front wheel of of a FXDR, going from a 21 inch to a 19 inch dual Rotor. And last week I installed a Brand new screaming eagle 6 speed helping my maxed out 96 inch motor! So if one is good with there hands and puts the needed upgrades in there twin cam it’s very reliable! No machine will run forever without love from its owner!
@@Peter-nm1ps I’m sure Harley could have done plenty of things like the Japanese manufacturers did, but chose to be different! And there are plenty of Japanese manufacturers who imitate Harleys look, but we all know there NOT the same! Sex Drugs and RockRoll and Harley Davidson was always there for it! If Harley Davidson never existed I probably wouldn’t have been drawn into 2 wheels in the first place. Harley people are cut from a different type of cloth and don’t care if the Japanese bikes run for ever, or about mileage or if it’s too loud! The difference is getting from place to place with style and attitude!
Between my son and I we have four 103 bikes, Street Glide Special, Road Glide Custom, Heritage and a Slim, not parting with them anytime soon. They sound great, run great and zero issues with any of them. Take care of the maintenance schedule and good to go. Always great content Gixxerfoo!
I like the simplicity of my EVO which allows me to do all the work on it. My 2 Twin Cams are very reliable and easy to operate but if something goes wrong with the electronics, well, I'm screwed! On the Evo you can adjust timing or put a performance ignition kit or a single fire ignition kit and coils on it. Twin cams get very expensive when you try and tune them and if it wont start, well there are so many sensors and controls that could go wrong that it would take you forever to test everything.
Swap one out to a carb…did it on my ‘02 RK Police and love it!
@@houseofstylz Exactly, not to mention in 2002 they were timken bottom ends. Also, you can split these cases and break down the engine within an hour, very simple basic tractor design.
After I wrote that I assumed 2002 was the last year of the Timken engine, afew guys on this page were convinced that my 2002 FSXTDI is not a Timken bottom engine. They posted valid possible reasons why. From what the replies mentioned, Harley probably began using other bearings beginning in 2000 and by 2003 Harley stopped buying from Timken altogether. It's a crap shoot if my 02 is a Timken. Probably not. This is my guess. I decided to leave the engine original as it is. It runs like velvet and I don't weigh much.
@@keithhults8986 They are %100 Timken in 2002. The cases would've had to be machined differently if they weren't, you got it right.
@@houseofstylzsame on my 07 road king.
I think the Twin Cam is the best sounding motor H D every made 😊
I really like your channel, because you put out good, solid info with a minimum of BS.
I've been riding, wrenching on, and building Harleys for the past 40yrs, but I draw the line at twin cams.
I've never understood the need that some people have for more power and speed, because it all seems like just a money wasting power trip of some type.
Too many owners spend a fortune on the damned things just to leave them sitting in garages.
I know a guy who bought a "bagger" that was built on a TV series, rode it all of twice, never sat his ass on a motorcycle seat again, and just let it fall apart in his shop.
It took me 30yrs to warm up enough to the Evo engine to buy a used '97 WideGlide with the stock 80inch Evo, and I now have 41,000 trouble free miles on it.
I also still have a box stock '72 ElectraGlide that I bought in 198o that has about a million virtually trouble free miles on it.
Even though I made money working on Harleys, my advice has always been, "Buy it, ride it, and leave the damned thing the hell alone."
Don't keep "fixing" it until it breaks.
Best advice I've heard, when people start messing with things that's when problems develop, keep it stock if you want reliability 👍🇮🇪
I've had a Dyna Superglide with a TC88 which took me all over the place with zero issues. Now have a Fatboy with a 103 and it's been bulletproof reliable for me. The motor that I'm not real crazy about is the Milwaukee 8. Let me rephrase: The Milwaukee 8 doesn't have enough for me to get rid of my 103 for.
I run love jugs and an oil cooler on my '96 Evo Road King. I've never had a overheating problem here in Florida.
To me, the twin cam was the pinnacle of the Harley Davidson engine. The M8 in my opinion started back downhill. Do a video like this comparing TC vs M8 please
%1000 agree 👍🏻
I don’t believe the M8 will live up to the longevity of the TC. My 2019 114”street glide has been on my lift more times then I wanted, Oil pump problems, lost a wrist pin on the rear piston. Hydraulic clutch issues.
Last year I installed 131” kit, runs great, haven’t had any major problems at all. I rode it from north central Oklahoma to Port of Fourchon La 2 times with no issues.
never ever had an issue with my '11 twin cam 103. Rode it 35K in two years miles and gave it to my friend, he's still riding that bike
Great video, my 2000 Electra Glide Standard got 110,000+ miles on it. Also got 40,000+ before i had the cam tensioners changed, which i ASSUMED he put hydraulic tensioners in.... Well he didn't at 110,000 i took it in to get the hydraulic tensioners changed, only to find out they were still spring tensioners...Seriously 70,000 mile on spring tensioners, she's definitly a Dinosaur ❤
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the Twin Cam that's carburetored is one of the best that Harley has done. If ya know how to adjust a carburetor, you are golden and can make some big power without it getting too hot and needing to buy dyno time.
2010 ultra limited just hit 59000 on the way home from work today not a minutes trouble with this ole twin cam 103 been very good to me
The Evo is a great design, very dependable and easy to work on.
Butt, I have found out the TC is another awesome motor from Harley. With a few more special tools , the TC is a very easy motor to work on and the sky is the limit on what you can do with the TC.
Keep up the cool videos and thanks for sharing your information with us.
Ride safe my friend.
@@ClovisPoint No, just failing lifters, leaks from the base gaskets, lifter blocks and the engine is a dog but hey, sounds cool 😂
Your reply is basically the unbiased truth. I’ve pulled , split cases and rebuilt a 2002 to a 107 stroker in a weekend, TC engine could be rebuilt by a 4th grader.
Just rode my TC tonight, 35k runs like a dream. How long IDK but it's still sweet.😊
Your channel rocks! You are very knowledgeable. I have been around Harley's for centuries 🤣, but I learn something new every time I watch one of your videos
Bought my 2006 softail standard new and just went S&S stage two 3 months ago on the stock 88. Even the crank run-out was in spec for gear drive cam chest but decided to stay chained. Started riding at 13 seriously and am 68 now and have owned in these years about everything there is including building and racing a few flat trackers myself. Mostly do all my wrench'n work. I'll say I'm more than happy with this TC! The standard being made for the reason it was, to build, makes it even better. Ill never be done with er and can just start totally over at any time if in the mood to change it up again hits. TC series is a good choice and a good reliable fit. Nothing man made is ever perfect anyway lol. ENJOY AND BE SAFE PEOPLE...later🤙🇺🇲
I had evo pop a wrist pin keeper at 15k. Replace top end, put torque cam and ported heads. Rode to 80k before trade in. When the twin cam first came out. Dealership tried to sell me their first model in stock. They wanted to dyno the twin cam first. It blew up on the dyno. I passed and completely skipped the twin cam. Rode that evo for 30 years. 2018 I replaced evo with a M8. Am I happy? Hell yes!
2004 FLHTi, bought brand new, 88” with recently upgraded S&S oil pump, cam plate, and 509C cams.
I love my Twin Cam Electra-Glide! It has never left me stranded. Powertrain and chassis have served me well for almost 20 years…
Twin cams are great 👍
My 95ci twin cam is very reliable! If people would really study the history of harley and see the engineering issues they have had to overcome, they would get it. After all, we still have an air-cooled pushrod engine and even moving forward with the VVT air-cooled pushrod engine. Pretty amazing if you ask me, any other company would have fazed them out decade's ago! Keep up the great content 👏
There is a reason why
I love my TC88 currently spending a small fortune on it, not because I have to though, just can’t stop myself from meddling, better suspension, brakes, engine components the list goes on, but then it also goes on with the Jeep, the Honda……. I have serious mechanical meddling issues 😂😂
amen. same here. lol.
OCD, very common disorder with machines 😂✌
@@owenbruce4120 I would say I need help, but I just need more money for parts 😂🫣
I have a 02 Fatboy with the Timken Bearing bottom end. Did the S&S cam kit to it with billet plate and pump and it made the bike run way cooler. It is also a carb bike and did a S&S carb and intake. I have taken a couple new 114s and haven't had the first problem and I have had the bike since it was almost new.
same thing with my 02 Heritage. Love the carbureted sound. I put the 510 cams in it and runs solid.
210,000 miles on my '07 Twin Cam with original engine. Nuff said.
Don't forget how the Twinscam bolts to the tranny. It almost eliminates the need for a cast inner primary. I dig your 1974 shirt. And I still say: "Evo's Forever". EV-27, 100,000+ reliable miles. 80 cubes travels at 105mph just like 120 cubes does.
Bought my TC new in 2005. 80k miles of commuting (Los Angeles) lanesplitting and hard riding it never let me down. Couple fuel injector issues, stator and that was it.
Went with a 98" kit, fresh bottom, S&S internals and its still rolling happily up the coast these days. Riding it till i can't ride anymore.
😎👍
I might get my 2015 Ultra back tomorrow...
6 weeks without riding has been tough!
But I'm getting back a Screaming Eagle stage 4 converted from 103ci up to 110ci...
Big thumbs up for the channel...
@Peter than what would you call an Evo? 🐌
I’ve put stage 2 in my TC.. runs great 140 thousand km/ 90 thousand miles. It does run hot though, so I’ve got a fan assisted oil cooler on order. I bought it new in 2005 and so far, only an electrical issue where it want to shut off for some reason. Overall, I’m keeping it for life!!!
Twin Cam 88 -
Harley’s nicest looking engine!
I have two 😎
Hi 👋, I have had a FXR 1340 back in the mid 90s with up rated cab ing and cam , I only had one problem the HD shop didn’t do the wiring very well on the ing , it shorted out under the tank, then it 1999, I brought the SOFTAIL DEUCE 1450 from new, then 1550 cams ing Carb exhaust 2-1 , I had to sell it in 2019 , I had done over 55,000 mills on it all over Uk but mainly in Europe it never let me down, even riding in the heat of Spain , Portugal , and Italy, I hoping get another one later in the year Deuce, ride safe,
Great Territorial, I look 👀 forward to your next, Phil from the moulin France
I'm old enough to remember brand-new panheads, knucks and Ironheads. I currently have one if each including the M8 and a twin cam. I'm currently setting my sites on the bigger C.I. engines. Point being, the M8 or the twin cam are far superior engines than the afore mentioned engines above. In that sense I'm grateful for both. As the engines evolved the "the take with you toolbox" became smaller and smaller. So anyone out there complaining about their M8 or twin cam go buy you an Ironhead, panheads or knuckle head. Be sure to buy a repair and service manual and update your insurance to be sure you have free towing through A.A.A. or equivalent. As always a thought provoking and informative video. Thanks for posting and as always...... keep on keeping on brother.
Just curious as to what bikes you actually have and are they all HDs?
@@SmittyAZ just curious, who else made a Panhead, a knucklehead, or the old iron head ????
@@lanceandmelanierogers6255 I have an M8. Does that tell you what bike I own?
I was NOT assuming that he ONLY had Harleys.
@@SmittyAZ knuckle is 47. Waiting for a teardown. Bike is rough. Found in a hay barn in Georgia. Panhead is a 52. Ironhead is 57 XLA. Vintage early 70s biker bike. Lowered, stretched raked. King and Queen seat. Springer and goofy footed. 9 foot wheelbase. 05 wide glide and an 02 lowrider. Picking up my Dad's(hopefully) 96 custom FXR. Also have a Dragstar. I think it's around an 02 or so. Picked it up in a bundle deal. Don't have a shovel, yet. The knuck I'm actually considering restoring the engine and trans and making a custom glass topped coffee table. Ain't sure yet. I prefer Harley but like all 2 wheelers. I think I've ran across a "widow maker" and gonna try and get my hands on it. I grew up in a time when the YZ80 from the 80s was considered a kids bike even though the power band was demonic.
@@scottfree8848 That's so Cool. You sound like a very busy man with your own bike show!
My stuff is 'modern' except the '68 Yamaha...
I'm very surprised to hear the negative comments you had about the twin cam engines. You have always hailed over the 103. In fact, if I'm not mistaken you once mentioned that the 103 was one of your favorite engines.
I've had the 110 tire shredder kit on my 2011 dyna street bob (bought new) since 2017 when it came out.I usually won't ride it when the temperature gets up in the 90s but it runs amazing and still enough power to get me in trouble 😆 106hp 122tq 🤘
Changed out my cam tensioner with the screaming eagle kit and put a 204 cam in it. Have had no issues with my 06 Street Glide. FLHXI
Oil cooler, or Love Jugs. Love Jugs work great, some people don't like the look but they are effective.
I have them on my Zippers 107 twin cam works 👍
I love Jugs, oh you're talking engine, yes those too!
@Peter Troll
Thanks for the video always learning something!
Perfectly pleased with my 02 TC , other than those cam tensioners that i upgraded absolutely 0 problems .
I love my 2012Twin Cam 103 I have 135000 on a untouched engine runs great
Great video. Thanks…
Keep them coming 👍🏻😎
Riding Harleys since the sixties, have had twenty three with NY '08 TwinCam being NY current bike.
Had a lot of Flattys, a bunch of Pannys, a Knuck/Pan strocker that I've had since nineteen seventy five, three Shovels and two Buell Ligtnings.
Of all my bikes, that I have ridden long and far and hard, my '81 WideGlide ran over 300,000, my second Buell and this TwinCam have been close to bulletproof.
Never had a Blockhead... probably due to the rash of yuppys who bought into them and also because I couldn't get my eye around that ugly square design...
Anyway my TwinCam just presents me with a reliabke dream ride and I value her dependant nature beyond words.
She was imported from North Carolina to South Africa and wears a Stage 2, and runs like an orgasm.
Keep up the good work. I love the videos
I love my o8 street glide with a 96 inch I drove that thing over 60,000 miles. I loved and miss that bike
I love the Twin Cams. I have the 117 TC race kit in my 110th Anniversary CVO Electra Glide Ultra Classic that was done 20k miles ago. Other than a head gasket replacement it’s been trouble free after it was tuned properly 10k miles ago when I bought it. I’m the 2nd owner. I don’t care for the feel of the M8 bikes. I feel like they are too smooth for me. Great vid man.
Both ran hot, especially the rear cylinder. Don't forget the cam tensioner problem in the twin cam. In my opinion the evolution motor was superior. Both great motors though.
If you level the playing field with a S&S flywheel and gear cams for the TC, then it blows away the Evo in power potential.
@@xc8487 I agree.
The Evo is a great motor, simple to work on. I have a 1985 softail standard with 71k mikes, about 20k miles ago I give it a new top end rebuild and bored the cylinders to 10 over. New lifters, valves and push rods. I installed a Morris Mag M5 on it. Runs like it did when it was new. Kick starts very easy.
I am thinking about installing a Morris Mag on my 2005 TC RK.
@@ronetuley When I finally start making some career money, I want to build a bomb proof TC. S&S flywheel, pistons, oil pump, cam plate, roller rockers, gear drive cams. Cycle Solutions rocker stand. Morris Magneto. Baker OD6 trans. Barnett scorpion clutch and cable. Evolution industries sprocket. All ARP hardware. Lectron carb. Ultracooler oil cooler with flo filter.
@@xc8487 S&S dyno sheets show the same horse power and torque on their twin cam and evo 124 crate engines.
my 96 Evo still running great
I've owned a couple of twin cams and they were both between 99- 06 meaning of course once I put the hydraulic tentioners and cam chest, oil pump etc...
They were very dependable. I am satisfied with my Duce , only had it for couple days but so far so good.
You the man, thanks for your content
crrdit where credit is due. the twinkie is a badass motor no doubt... but harley went back to the single cam for a reason, evo is the saving grace of harley. and honestly. harleys signature sound died with the evo.
True. I've never been a twinkle fan but, while they don't sou d like a evo or anything before them, that isn't to say they don't or can't sou d good
Evos aren't dead yet.
I don't think the twincam is that bad of an engine . I certainly find them easy to work on now granted. The bottom end design wasn't the best design, but in rushes the aftermarket to save the day it just adds a little more $$ to the project but then you have an extremely reliable engine I own 3 myself and love em.
G. Foo great job
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I have both a 2011 Heritage Softail Classic 96 Twin Cam and 2009 XL1200C Sportster EVOLUTION Love both and haven’t had any major trouble with either, change oil every 3,000 miles and perform scheduled maintenance myself. Do normal driving most of the time but get on em once in a while.
I got a 2010 FXDWG new and within a few months stripped the lame FI off and put a Mikuni HSR42 on. The increase in performance was astounding. I've since added an Andrews 57H cam, JET Performance velocity intake and V&H pipes and couldn't be happier with the bike. Lots of EVOs have that rear cylinder oil leak that can't be stopped.
I’ve put 150 thousand trouble free miles on 2 Evos. My 1990 fan 95 thousand miles, with nothing more than replacing one bad valve at about 90k. I put a torque cam in it at around 40k. My 96 Fuel Injected Evo gave me 60k but it was just Stage One, and it was a dog as far as power, and I had some trouble with the Fuel I system. I put 50k on my 2001 Stage One TC, and was just about to do the cam chain adjusters, but traded it in on my present 2012 FLHTK TC103. I did a Stage 2 several years ago, and last year at only 28k I did a Stage Two, with a Woods TW 222, V&H Headers, Pipes, Rinehart Intake, FP3 decat. What a difference’s. The heat is down, power is up, no more detonation, and I still get nearly the same fuel milage. I’ve only got about 35k on it now, but at 72 years of age, the 950lb. beast is getting a little tuff for me to manage in slow speed maneuver s. It’s too dam top heavy. I’d like to buy a new RGL, but not for $36-37K for a bike that’s basically what I have now. So my next bike may well be a Goldwing. It’s almost 150lbs. lighter than my Ultra, and has a lower center of gravity. Plus the reverse is great, the suspension is flawless, all LED lighting and no reason to upgrade, like you have to do with Harleys.
I rode an 87 FXSTC evo all over the US. I now ride a 2013 twin cam 103, night and day. The power is undeniable as well. No more building up speed to climb a hill. I do miss the simple garage work and that elope! I really like both equally. Nothings perfect.
Picking up speed to climb a hill? I have a 93 Heritage and don’t have that problem at all. It does have a cam and Jim’s Hydrosolids with adjustable pushrods and a S&S Super E carb but it would have pulled hills with no problem, loads of torque.
I would like to know what years and engines are considered best for the twin cam.
I heard 2013 and below are the last not tied to “moco”. But from what I heard.
Well by hills I mean mountain hills. It climbed but didn’t climb like my 103. This is with luggage like the Beverly hillbillies tied on haha. But gotta love it
@@playaplaya9315 I gotcha, I live in Florida so there aren’t any real hills here. I always hear good stuff about the 103 engine, never have ridden one but I had an 01 Heritage with the twin cam and it was decent.
My friend just bought a used street glide, 2007, with a 120r twin cam. It has sns headers and I couldn't tell what the mufflers were but they did have louvered baffles. I rode that thing at least 20 miles amd I wasn't that impressed. It even has a thundermax tuner on it. Idk if it doesn't have the correct map or what the issue is but I can keep up with him on my 04 road king that has a 95" kit with 525 cams.
Hell yeah a fxsts...great ride and my personal ride
I had an Twin Cam with a stage one, and fuel injection. When I first got it, I thought there was something wrong, it was so dam hot. It was painful in traffic. I did a full synthetic oil change, that made all the difference in the world.
Love my Twin Cam...
I've owned an Evo, much prefer the Twin Cam 103 hands down.
Have you ever tried MotorKote with the Amsoil to reduce wear and heat ? it seems to work real well.
I have the same Harley Davidson T-Shirt!
Good video mate👍 will you do one for twin cam vs m8
Every engine that Harley made, had teething issues. We practically worship the Knuckle but look at the amount of running changes the factory had to make to it. The Evo was arguably the best engine they made, but as you point out , it had shortcomings as well. You always have to give up something to get something. It's a law.
Usually I am 100% with you, but on this one, I am not. The Twin Cam ran 20 degrees hotter than the Evo. It was running leaner and hotter, they used oil jets to help contain the heat. They had to give larger and more fins to combat the heat of the TC. TC's ran hot simple as that. Other than that you have been right on the money. Keep going.
Hey there, I recently bought a 2003 CVO screamin eagle 1550 softail deuce and it is fuel injected. It only had 2400 miles on it so I know it’s stock. It came from the factory with SE 203 cams in it. I love the bike and it runs beautifully, my question is, what kind of tune did it come from the factory with? It doesn’t run hot and it hauls ass. I already put big radius exhaust on it with no problems. I’m just curious because this bike was pre EPA. Thanks.
Can you do a future episode on the different motor generations on the sportsters?
Pretty much like mine both of them my EG is great big bore kit cams head wrk 88 to 103 runs good noisy though
What do you think about the new 7speed transmission for Harley Davidson
Awesome. Can you please do a video of taking a softail 88ci twincam to a 120. I know it's expensive to go darkhorse but if you love your skoot 😅
I have an '88 evo and a 2010 twin cam. The 2010 is a better all around bike imo. As for the cooling; I might have to disagree. With an oil cooler, I never had issues with the mildly enhanced evo. I think my stage 2 twin cam runs hotter. Keep up the great videos!
I have a 95 ci twin cam. My flywheels scissored. Any advice on a budget friendly repair??
Just bought a 2000 twin cam with a sidecar. Traded my 98 roadking. Kicking myself in the ass for doing that.
You have a great attitude and information on the Harley engines. Thank you. I have both a 2005 evo and a 2008 twin cam.
Harley didn't make the Evo in '05
The Evo used oil so either the tooling wore out or it morphed into a two cycle widow maker. Tend to think it was the former. A new ‘97 used a quart between 2500 mile oil changes. Had about 50 ponies. Will keep the stage II black and chrome ‘02 for the duration. 80 ponies is plenty but a hundred would be nice.
Closely Evo engine is what saved Harley Davidson
My tc 96/103 is pretty reliable.
I question the 120r? People ran to buy, then ran to sell. I have not seen one on the road.
What counts for me: can I fix it fast ? Had to hit the road one day, and all of a sudden a cam roller started ticking badly (as it is a common Evo issue indeed).
Got no space in the garage, but furtunately a set of lifters lying around.
Timed myself - 20 min to change all the lifters, an I'm on the road!
Good luck with a Twincam on that...
Shovel maybe is a bit easier to work on, but not by much, and Evo is definitely more refined.
And if I'm really after power and speed, I'd get me some Hayabusa!
You forgot the old screamin eagle 113 kits
I own a 1999 EVO FXSTS and a 2000 Twin Cam FLSTS. I’ve always loved the simplicity of my EVO however my Twin Cam with 510 S&S cam starts easier, gobs of power and the width and size of the Twin Cam is beautiful! I think I’m sold on the TC from here on out…
I've got the .510 cams in my 01 TC. Love them
I installed the 510 cams and shaved the heads on my 02 carbureted 88tc heritage classic.. very pleased…. Potato potato Potato
I have a 2016 cvo limited. Twin cooled SE 110 with full Vance and Hines exhaust and tuner, after getting the cat out it doesn't run any hotter than my 91 Evo in an Electra glide ultra in fact it's a little cooler for me.
Evo has swaps with bigger displacement available now as well !
Off topic but ...What is your intro & outro music from?
I’ve always thought the Twin Cam was the best big motor Harley ever produced. The corncob pushrods on the big twins really limits them…
Hey buddy, I enjoy your videos .... I have an M8 Lowrider S with cam, pipe and tune and it's a ton of fun but I miss my old 80 cube FXR a lot. Wish I had room for both. The M8 is probably closer to the Evo than the TC!
The M8 made some huge cooling system improvements over the Twin Cam! You get a good cam in a M8 and they really sound good!
Buddy of mine sleeved his lifter bores during a rebuild.
🛑🛑 I have installed the 117 Screaming Eagle Kit on my 2016 CVO Ultra Limited (converting the original 110, to 117), the kit is outstanding. 👍
With the kit, you get the Screaming Eagle E Cam, Race Injectors, Lifters and Rockers, Heads, Pistons and 58mm Intact.
The 110 ran well, but the 117 runs “rings” around the 110; and the 110 is a good motor.
I Highly Recommend anyone looking to “run with the Big Boys” to install the Screaming Eagle 117 Big Bore Kit. 👍💯
Where'd you get that AMF T-shirt 🤔
That sagging shelf behind you used to drive me bananas. Wouldn't you know I thought about that ole shelf a couple of videos ago and found myself missing it. Kinda like an ole stray cat you got used to feeding and then wonder about it when you don't see it anymore. Being Human can be strange I suppose.