Anycubic Photon Mono M5S 12K 19 micron resin 3d printer (HONEST REVIEW)
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Anycubic have developed the Mono M5S, a mid-range 3D printer capable of fast printing 105mm per hour. Not only that, amongst other innovations, it boasts a self-levelling build plate which also possesses resin level detection.
For me the leap from 8K to 12K is the most appealing feature. So the question is, can we see a significant increase in print quality? Here I put the Anycubic Photon Mono M5S to the test.
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Great review on the AC M5s! and looking forward to seeing your review on Athena! 😉
Thanks Nico. Athena is a very impressive machine. Your work on Force Detection will be industry changing, I'm sure of it. I truly hope your Kickstarter is a raging success... not for you buddy, but for me. The difference it will make to 3D printing is groundbreaking. 😁😁😁
And to anyone reading this, please check out Nico's Kickstarter. It's science fiction technology that's available right now.
www.kickstarter.com/projects/concepts3d/athena-msla-resin-3d-printer
I hope after all the innovation in the industry comes price decreases.
@@redacted5406 if you want a decent small 4K printer then the prices have more than halved in 12 months.
Good to see more innovation coming to consumer printers. My hope is we can get a mid sized 9 inch 3d printer using DLP technology with a integrated heating solution and filtration.
We all hope for that.
that's the dream. I know you can get heating now but you're at the 1K mark for it.
@@vogman heck I would settle for a small (d2/mars4) scale dlp with 4k .
@@ClayMann I think integrated heaters in resin printers is patented.
Was excited to see the notification for this review. The printer looks neat and they really talk it up a bit for some of those bells and whistles, glad to see you show us what works well and what's just their pitch.
Marketing is always hype, but in fairness there's a lot of good things to see here.
Thanks again vogman for your consumer oriented videos and opinion 👍
Thanks for watching 😁
This is by far the most complete review I've seen so far about the printer on YT. The other videos sound more like an ad for the printer, lol. I ended up pre-ordering the printer with a bottle of the quick resin because the price was too good to resist, plus the features it has are nothing to scoff at specially compared to the competition. Perhaps it might not be as sharp as the D2 or the Mini 8K(s), but compared to other 10" screen models this has the best potential; 19x/24y microns (weird), 1,248 PPI, auto-leveling, decent build area, etc.
This is the best mid-ranger I've seen, so I think you'll be happy with your purchase. Getting large printer to produce the same quality as a standard is difficult, but Anycubic has come close here.
@@vogman geez, VOG, too bad you never tested a Nova3D Whale3 SE, results are => mini8K, seriously.
I respect your candor. I Thank you for it and I respect your opinions because of it. Keep Keepin' it Real.
Excellent review as always vog! Glad to see more quality of life features coming to printers. This looks like a decent printer, but AC have a habit of releasing something better only a few months later. I suspect a larger d2 style printer is not far in the distance, and that's what I'm really looking forward to.
I'd love to think that a larger DLP was on the way, but I can't imagine it. But there again a year of so back, who would have imagined a budget DLP 😁
Greetings from Chile. Thank you very much. I was waiting for your review of this machine.
Thanks for watching and hello to Chile 😁😁😁
I'm pleasantly surprised by the printer and this channel, both are good while one is free so, you sir have yourself a new subscriber!
Welcome aboard 😁😁😁
Great review!
I almost pre-ordered this but decided to wait until your review came out. Boy am I glad I waited! Very good information as usual!
I'm looking for something to print my larger monsters all in one go. This review helped me to make a better decision.
Thank you for your hard work!
That's always my aim... give information and honest answers... inform folks so they can make up their own minds. So thanks 😁
What did you end up going with instead? I'm in a similar boat looking for a med size printer, and the announcement of this printer and Elegoo's 12K system have me holding off for now.
So you're buying elegoo 12k now?
@BigT , I'm in the same boat.
I was looking at the 8K printers, then Anycubic announced their 12K one. That got me to thinking that other brands must be getting ready to do the same thing.
In all honesty, with this review of the 8K and 12K looking really similar I'll wait for the Sonic Mini 8K to drop in price.
Unless Vogman does a comparison showing 12K is better, I'll keep looking at the 8K printers.
After all the reviews I've decided for the uniformation GK two. A bit expensive, but I really appreciate it.
Awesome video again. Very helpful.
Many thanks 😁
Thanks for a great review! :)
a great and honist review.. you pointed out what was great about it and seen a few down falls of it.. 2 things will entice people about it. 1# SPEED!! great for any hobiest or print farmer able to pump out items that don't requier a ton of detail very fast, i remember years back were it would take at least 1-2+ Hrs just for a print to now able to get it in about 30 mins or less is a mind blowing feat. 2# the auto bed leveling, we all had that struggle at first time leveling the build plate and worry about it all the time and this will help new hobbiest to make sure they don't mess with the screen or get constaint failier from a bad level.. the size of this is a great mid size machine to help make things the much smaller printers have problems building on there volume.. so thanks for the review and hope more will press forward with this
Thank you for the review. Helps me make a more informed decision.
Then my work is done. Thanks 😁
Thank you for letting me see this printer at work 🙏🏼 did you do any exposure tests or had the time to use different resins (like phrozen 8k or Syara?) looking for my first resin printer, looking forward to print my designs (jewelries and accessories) and it needs be as accurate as possible - I don’t care for the speeds. It Seems that I've entered the market at a weird time in terms of technology updates. (A jump to 12k and not 16k, Phrozen has yet to come up with their 18 or less pixel size - but elegoo did, Rectangular pixels*?* etc’) As I saw here, M5s is definitely a better choice then saturn 3, but should I go for it or instead choose the mighty 8k? ❤
Can't wait for this to come out!
Great review, you have given me some details to think about to determine if I keep my pre order.
Well, I described it as the best mid-ranger I've come across, and it prints almost as well as the 8KS, so I think you'll be delighted with your purchase.
Hi Vogman. Thank you for the elaborated and deep review. I can’t decide if I should cancel the preorder and thought maybe you can help me. Did you encounter any problems with exposure tests? Do you think I can replace the posh film with an nFEP one because details > speed for me. Sincerely
Great review Geoff! No-one else on YT does such a "warts and all" honest review of these products. I hope the manufacturers, in this case Anycubic, truly understand and appreciate the time and effort you put into these reviews. Speaking of time and effort, it's about time I got off my ass and tidied my spare room so I can get to my printers! All the best mate.
That's very kind Dan, thanks. As for untidy work rooms, I wish somebody would invent an App to sort that 😁😁😁
@@vogman 😂
Great review I can't wait to get mine in July I'm going from a Mono x to this so the gains should be big for me coming from 4k
You will see a big difference John. You'll be happy 😁
Excellent video VOG!
It seems there may be some bed adhesion things to overcome. The auto leveling might require more burn in exposure possibly? I like that Anycubic is making steps to innovate and improve.
Also people are sleeping on this Athena machine. You guys seriously need to go check it out.
Athena is impressive. Force Detection is amazing. It will simplify resin printing dramatically I think.
Another great video. Very odd to think of a rectangular pixel. I wonder if that's just a limitation on current manufacturing technologies at this price range.
At point point will increase resolution not matter? Thanks Regards Chris
Great review as always Geoff, mine should be here this week. But you've explained everything I expected about it. I'll do a test with the Phrozen resin. Would it help if I do the Morbius bust from wicked and send you some pics?
Many thanks. You're more than welcome to do any tests you wish on the Morbius and I can send you my photos if it helps. For me I think I'm resigned to the fact that it's very close, but no cigar... though I could be wrong. You know what it's like in reviewing... we have limited data. Really 10000 prints with 100 different resins are really needed, but by the time we've done that, there'll be 64K printers 😂🤣😂
@@vogman thanks, yeah it would be good for me to refer people from my video you ours for reference in this point, and I have a ton of the phrozen 8k resin at the mo.
If you can send me the pics, yeah ill compare them without a doubt.
64k, I struggled to imagine a more pointless resolution bump than 12k
Hi mate, great review would you suggest this is good for someone that's never used a resin printed I have a FDM printer but want to get in to resin well ATM anycubic has this printer with the wash and cure 2.0 on a deal wondering if its worth getting? Thank you
Great video, thanks! The question I’m having with all “fast” printers with opaque fep is, doesn’t it effect details?
Thanks for the review =)
Thanks for watching 😁
great job breaking this down *VOG* !! U've really helped me see the truth!🍻👍yup! a sharp printer! many things I would like 2 learn about though! good luck!
Review I was waiting for - let’s see how it turns out.
I hope it helped 😁
Excellent video as always. When you say this is a mid range printer, what's a top end printer?!
Great review as always. My LCD screen for my Photon M3 Premium broke and it's $200 USD for a replacement. Is it worth upgrading to this one or spend the $200 and keep usin the M3 Prem?
Neat printer. I'd like to learn more about the self leveling. I understand force detection, but don't understand how it's leveling.
I've been developing some resin printed mini chainmail, under 3mm in outer diamiter, it's the sort of thing that bloom affects hugely because the rings stick, this is the limiting factor when printing them, I have got them to print reliably on my saturn 1 despite having a bad screen that over exposes in the middle but I'd love to see how much smaller they can get with either high res LCD printers like this or a DLP printer like the D2, do you still have the D2? I think this would be a great way to see the differences between the two, to see if low res DLP is sharper than higher res LCD.
If you are interested let me know if you want to print it and I will send you the files, I will reply to this comment with a link to a page with some photos and info on it (rather than adding the link in this comment because youtube likes to delete comments with links). (also I wonder if it's possible to use the automatic level/heigh system to say print just the supports and then print the rings ontop and send it to print the rings ontop of the supports over and over )
Interesting review. I wonder if some of the details would improve based on resin.
Definitely a lot “it does this, but”.
Not sure if you’ve tested already but id be curious to see the high speed resin tested on other printers and adjusting their settings to see how well they improve as well.
Id love to be able to print faster but not at a sacrifice of quality in changing layer height which to me is a “well duh”…of course it’ll print faster if you set the layer height bigger.
I haven't tested the resin, but given it's low viscosity and low layer time, my guess is that it could work in any printer. I may try and experiment 😁
@@vogman Creality and Elegoo are making high speed resin. The Craftsmen resin is pretty thin, I bet you could push the speed on that. While we are at it how much speed increase do get with fast curing resins?
Looks great! Definitely going to be looking at putting a preorder in. Also Anycubic, you happen to be reading this, PLEASE STOP PUTTING THE USB PORTS ON THE SIDE OF THE PRINTER!!! PLEASE!!!
I don't feel to bad about buying the M3 Premium now a few weeks ago for my bigger prints.
Thanks for the review, i was getting really curious about this printer.
The difference is minimal really, so be happy with your purchase. You also have air filtrations and extra build height 😁
Great review on this. Glad to see some innovation in the resin world - Do you think a flex plate should be included on all new printers these days?
I have some with flex plates and some without. I honestly have no preference, but many do. So for now I think it has to be optional.
He pro..what s the best 3 d printer pr jowellry casting?
Do you advice me the ms5?
Thanks
Is resin better than abs when it comes to flexibility? I want to avoid the cleanup of abs but want the resin print to be strong and have flexibility. What's the best choice?
Great review Mr V and I certainly agree, I was also a little underwhelmed. That build plate has to truly flat to work. Having a plastic screen would definitely flex and give the printers brain a serious headache with tiny prints.
I'm going off Anycubic. Them darn bolts. Keep on at them Mr Vog ✌️
Peace brother
When you see what Athena does with those little bolts, you'll say "Why doesn't everyone do that?" 😁
@@vogman Looking forward to seeing that one 👍
As always a great review, I’ve pre-ordered a m5s and a Halot mage pro and look forward to seeing these 2 printers go head to head.
I personally don’t think we truly need more than 8k resolution as there are diminishing returns when going past this resolution, and the anycubic d2 isn’t even close to 8k but still holds its own.
Well, I described it as the best mid-ranger I've come across, and it prints almost as well as the 8KS, so I think you'll be delighted with your purchase.
It's dependent on the screen size. 8k at 15" isn't great. People really need to talk in just the xy pixel size. The 19um by 24um is a bit of a snafu, that still probably makes it on par with the 7" 22um XY of the SM8K. Doing so out of a 10.1" screen just makes it better.
It annoys me that people only talk in terms of the numbers 2, 4, 6, 8 and now 12K. It is totally meaningless to talk of the number of pixels in isolation. The real number is the size of the pixel not how many there are. You're being conned by the marketing people. At least the headline here mentions the pixel size. Although even that is misleading. The actual pixel size of this machine is 24 x 19 microns. Averaged, that is the same size as the Phrozen Mini 8K 22 micron pixel size. So you say you don't need more than 8K. Should a printer that has a 15" screen still only be 8K? And what are the reasons more than 8K gives diminishing returns? Give me some science behind that claim. Of course, there can't be without referring to pixel size instead of the number of pixels.
@@robguyatt9602 I also see this a lot online where people don't seem to understand that 8K on a 10 inch screen is worse than 8K on a 6 inch screen... I think they think that the micron pixel size on the 10 inch 8k stay the same as on the 6 inch 8k, but then it would become a 12k or something similar.
I've pre-ordered the MK5 because I could get it for 530 dollar with a wash and cure station included, so it was the cheapest combo for someone who wants to upgrade from a Mars 2 Pro. Only thing I fear is that the quality shown in this video, seems worse than what my 2k Mars 2 Pro now can print...
Hi! How do you think which is better M3 Premium or M5s? I have already M3P and I need to buy 2 or 3 additional
Great review!
Can you make a review on the jamghe high wax jewelry castable resin and how it prints on the sonic mini 8k?
Well preordered it as my first 3d printer, hopefully it will work well :)
Well, I described it as the best mid-ranger I've come across, and it prints almost as well as the 8KS, so I think you'll be delighted with your purchase.
@@vogman Was your test unit also loud as an jet engine during exposure?
My preordered M5s came in yesterday and during exposure test it spins the fans so hard that my wife thought i turned on vacuum cleaner...
Looking to buy my first resin printer (have a few FDM ones). Which printer would you recommend between UniFormation GKtwo any Anycubic M5s? Price is obviously an issue but I can stretch my budget and get a GKtwo if it's significantly better.
Thanks for the review! I wasn't expecting the rectangular pixels... This printer sounded promising in terms of print quality, but now their 19um resolution claim doesn't sound very honest. I guess I'm gonna stick with my Mars 2 until there's significant improvements over something like the Phrozen Mini 8K. Right now it's just not a justifiable leap for my kind of work.
It is a good printer, please don't think otherwise. I'm sold on Force Detection and where Anycubic lead, others follow.
@@vogman Yeah I like the features they're implementing, they sound promising and I also hope others follow. I'm sure it's a good printer, but it's just that with the whole 12K and 19um marketing I feel like they're setting up the wrong expectations for customers, you know what I mean?
Ooph, wait, what? Rectangular pixels? Did I miss something?
@@facenameple4604 19 x 24 ųm ...
Athena looks very promising. I hope to see your review before the KS ends.
Athena looks ground breaking. I'll be working hard on that one 😁
Is resin better than abs? I want to avoid the cleanup of abs but want the resin print to be strong and have flexibility. What's the best choice?
I'm torn between this and the sonic mini 8ks but the auto levelling is a game changer for me, I struggled to level my mars 2 pro.
Never used an auto-levelling bed on a resin printer, but it was nothing short of revolutionary for FDM printing. It was so effective that I would now never even consider buying an FDM printer that didn't have it.
Now that it's available for resin printing, I'm inclined to think the same. Levelling resin printers was a pain in the butt for me also.
When I noticed that your review didn't arrive, I suspected that everything hadn't gone smoothly. Now let's see what Elegoo is up to. Thanks for your effort.
I do like the M5S, honestly. And the S3 review ill be coming very soon.
@VogMan Phrozen Sonic Mini 8K S vs AC Photon Mono M5? Which would you choose between them? I'm looking for my first printer and as always your review about this printer is absolutetly AWESOME!! I really appreciate the effort you put on recording the video and sharing all these interesting info. Thanks a lot
Hey Vogman, and Thank you!
I was about to buy my first printer, was looking for midrange and thought the Saturn 2 might be it. Than heared about the Satrun 3 and the photon M5 and i guess soon others will pop - Would you suggest I wait?
I haven't reviewed the S3 yet, but it's coming very soon. I think waiting a few more days to gather more information will help you make a better decision 😁
Hey @VogMan:
Any message from Anycubic if the force detection system will be improved afterwards? I mean as far as I understand it, the hardware is there only the software is not at its full potential.. i mean autoleveling is very nice, but i think it could even detect the release time from the fep, automatically decrease the lift time!
If not, can you use your superpowers to place that question to Anycubic?
Thanks man!!❤
I would HOPE that you're right. The paperwork alludes to much more than I was able to experience and with simple firmware upgrades, maybe we'll see them. Force Detection is going to be a big deal. Before working with Athena I hadn't come across it, but it's amazing how many improvements are possible with it. Fingers crossed.
As I cannot justify the cost of an Athena, I hope the M5s makes the most of this new tech.
Is the fep attached to the ring or is it just a sheet like on the Mono x ?
Well I took the plunge and bought this on pre-order. If it prints close to the mini 8K I will be happy. The bigger buildplate was the seller for me and since I will be printing tanks and scenery on it, I will be interested to see the quality when printing at high speed.
Well, I described it as the best mid-ranger I've come across, and it prints almost as well as the 8KS, so I think you'll be delighted with your purchase.
Hey i preordered on the flash sale this being my first printer. Is it a good intro printer to get into the hobby? Thank you for the video
I think this is an excellent first choice printer. Many folks struggle with the idea of plate levelling and that alone account for the majority of failed prints. So yes, good choice 😁
@@vogman validation! 😂 Thank you for the quick reply
Ordered machine. I have Saturn 2 but haven’t seen any hint elegoo is working on self leveling.
Thank you for your review. I almost pre-ordered it but deep inside I knew I had to wait... Just like you I think that "smart features" are only cosmetic and we don't give a s**** about status motor or others things like that...And about auto-leveling, Is it really useful? I mean I bought a photon mono 4k a year ago and I never touched the build plate since the first print! At the end you also showed that 12k isn't a real improvment compared to 8k resolution, so as you said, it is a good printer with medium build volume, but after your review I am convinced that it is not the big step foward I expected... So now I 'm waiting for Saturn 3 ultra launch, I think there will be no real innovation from Elegoo, but I was told that after-sale service is far better at Elegoo than Anycubic, and for me on expensive printers like these it is important.
Auto levelling is a big deal. Don't forget, amongst newbies, 90% of failures are down to plate levelling. Suddenly the hobby becomes that much more accessible. But the MASSIVE deal is the Force Detection. We're going to see incredible things from that.
@@vogman ok so maybe I ll wait for a future m5s "max" because I dont like his medium build size ; I want to have a sufficient build size and not be limited as I am with my mono 4k, it is a really frustrating feeling when I have to spend hours in the slicer to place my minis
@@danteinferno6513 Medium build size means the plate is the same dimensions as the M3 Premium or Saturn 2. It's a vast improvement from the Mono 4K plate. Just add the settings of one of those printers in your slicer of choice and see how much more / bigger models you can put on it. Honestly, printers bigger than that (Elegoo Jupiter, Phrozen Mega 8K, Peopoly Phenom) are another kind of beast altogether in terms of resin consumption, post processing equipment needed or printing speed. Bigger plate means a bigger height to allow complete retraction each time the plate leaves the FEP. It also means a lower print definition, from 50 to 43 microns, closer to what we were able to do with small printers 5 years ago. And they're closer to industrial printers with a 2K+ price to match... But if you really need 30x20x40cm prints, they're the tool to use.
@@the_arcanum thank you for your advice, so do you think that M5S build volume is enough compared to saturn 3 ultra? I don't understand why Anycubic didn't build a better higher machine, this build volume is strange isn't it? I mostly want to print 75mm minis, but maybe scenery and manga statues...Maybe m5S build plate surface is large enough to print many parts at one time? ( for me M5S size is weird because most of medium size printer like M3, Saturn, etc. are 250mm high at minimum, so it has to be important?)
you are true in your words, so I really like to hear your opinion.
I think Anycubic ran the horses in front of the wagon. Very excited to release a printer that could work better.
They make a point of having more “Ultra Definition” in the name, but actually the impressions are not that good.
Another thing too: They should improve 100% the online service, because I really like the brand but I'm changing to phrozen precisely because of the after sales and quality of service that Anycubic offers.
They seem to serve you unwillingly, as if they were doing you a favor, when in fact they could be retaining customers.
I'm from Brazil, where there are 220 million consumers… The 3D market here is starting now, if companies are smart and offer good service, they'll be very happy… Anycubic, with its rather decadent service, misses an incredible opportunity.
Interesting. the frosty look of the FEP looks like it has micro structures that prevents the resin from making a perfect vacuum making it release faster
We have seen this opaque FEP from Anycubic before. There's a lot of work going on with these and even calling them FEPs isn't strictly correct at times, but hey, as long as it works better who cares 😁😁😁
@@vogmanThere are commercial Resin printers that uses oxygen to release the print from the FEP with out sticking so having no retraction time your print times becomes 40x faster. I wish these become affordable to the public. To be able to see your print just raise up from the resin like magic!
Hello, I have a question about the auto level mechanism. Do you think you can make a flexplate (magnetic) to the buildplate? Or will that make it too thick and not work? Thanks and great review
Someone put a flexplate in the empty vat to test that, and it worked, so almost certainly no problem.
I really don't know. I think that's something Wham Bam systems will have to work out.
Im new to 3d printing and want to print big statue esque prints. Im currently looking into:
- GKTwo
- Anycubic Max
- Anycubic 12K
What would be my best choice?
As I only have a Mars 3, I pre-ordered the M5S to have a larger buildplate. The price was correct, the precision is still better than my Mars 3, bigger print volume. The rest of the features were optional but welcome to me.
Well, I described it as the best mid-ranger I've come across, and it prints almost as well as the 8KS, so I think you'll be delighted with your purchase.
@@vogman I should have added that I found your review really good. I wasn't saying otherwise. Sorry if you understood it that way! You make excellent content and I like the fact you include the good, the meh and the bad !
Don't worry, I wasn't offended at all. I just wanted to reassure you that you purchased a bargain. It's already $100 more. You'll be happy with it 😁
Thanks VOG man
Thanks for watching 😁
nice 👍
review for ELEGOO Saturn 3 coming soon as well ?
Very soon 😁
Yea both the MK5S and the Athena look like nice tech demo for the actual printer that will come out next year. At least the Athena understand that you need to put the power button and usb port on the front.
The people behind Athena aren't developing with compromises in mind, I can tell you that much 😁
I love the Athena, but expensive. Great review on the M5S sir.
Thanks for watching! Look at the M5S Pro as well. Very impressive printer now the firmware bugs are fixed.
Athena is great, but yes, expensive. Here in the UK we have a sportscar company called Morgan. They're not the fastest or even the best looking, but each car is hand built by a small group of highly experienced engineers. It's that same level of detail that you get with the Athena 😁
@@vogman Thank you my friend. Hopefully it will be back for sake soon. Cheers mate.
why didn't I pre-order this 😢 now only the m5 is in flashsale.. or the small pre-order Bonus for Saturn 3 ultra...
Thanks. Always be critic and true.
Many thanks 😁
I'll stick with the DLP myself; thanks VOG!
Don't blame you. Still my favorite.
I have been going down the rabbit hole of 3d printer research. No hands on, just reading and watching a plethora of articles, so perhaps I am naive, but at this point I must say, I am leaning much more toward the Saturn 3 Ultra. The print height difference is substantial, and though printing that high may be very rare, as I am mostly in the 5e space, the fact is it can print 2" taller when/if needed. There is also the ability to just print to it wirelessly from my PC with ease vs having to deal with hosted site, phone apps etc - a painful thought. The accessory inclusions and quality seem to lean in favour of the Saturn too. All the noted for only a $20 difference currently. For my personal preferences, the advantages of the M5s are not as notable - plate leveling is almost a once and done thing or very rare so that is not a draw, the resin level detection is nice, but not that important to me. That failure detection feature though - that piques my interest. I can envision my frustration on walking away from a 4hr+ print and coming back to a failure.
I definitely don't need it but am interested in this printer primarily for the self-leveling and the quality jump from my Mono X. Should I get this M5S for $419, the Phrozen 8K S for $300, or the Photon D2 for ~$400? Mainly using it for miniatures and terrain. Is the M5S on part to the quality of the Phrozen 8K & Photon D2?
I only own the photon d2 personally, but if i had to give my two cents on it its probably the perfect printer for minis (or whatever else will fit on the slightly small build volume) from what i can tell, the accuracy it achieves is pretty much as good as it gets through my research, even with it being only 50 micron pixel size. The detail on it is fantastic. Not sure about terrains cause i havent printed any but im sure itll do fine, althpugh like i said it is a bit small
At the early bird price od $399 for a 10.1 size it seems excelent. Sure it can't compete with smaller 8k resin printers when it comes to xy resolution, but without 4k or 8k resins i guess it wouldn't be much difference.
It was a great price and those who got in early will be very pleased with their purchases, I'm sure 😁
Is it even worth upgrading from my Phrozen Sonic Mini 8K?
The high speed resin looks pretty much as thin as this sunlu abs like I'm using just now this is the thinnest resin I've ever seen I think it's thinner than water! Got me thinking 🤔 could it work with such high speed printers being so thin? Worth a test!
Hey VOG if you have the time would you review 3d Materials Supercast resin? Seems like a great budget casting resin.
If the opportunity presents itself, I'll be sure to.
I almost jumped on the early bird for this printer when it was $399 because of the auto levelling and fast print speed, but with no real reviews I decided to wait, it's up to $499 now so probably just going to skip it. But I hope we see more consumer printers with features like auto levelling and maybe heated vats, also higher speeds are definitely a plus. Even though I have a small resin 3D printer, I feel like I'm not using it all that much because as someone who doesn't have a lot of free time I spend too much time doing the fiddly stuff.
Where Anycubic leads, others usually follow. I think Force Detection is here to stay and will become a must-have soon 😁
What you're reviewing is 22micron to 19micron. Which is, dimensionally(given you print at 0.05mm, I won't adjust for that) about a 1.34x reduction "4k to 8K" was 35micron to 22micron, which was a 2.5x reduction. (35x35 = 1225, vs 22x22 = 464, vs 19x19 = 361)
Oh, looks like I missed something. "Rectangular pixels"? Yikes. So not even 1.34x reduction?
Okay, update to the math.
24x19 micron is 456.
It's almost-8K in rez. It's BARELY different.
That's scummy
At this point we're just trading longer slicing times due to increased resolution for an increase in quality so negligible it might as well not exist
Well i can give you an inside "Eng eletronics" view on the market. When you talk about monochromatic LCD panels what people outside the eng view say is pixels, but we actually call it polarization zone which is a place with liquid crystal ( a non conductive material or dielectric material) that get influenced by the EMI from two electrodes plates.
So WTF this means, it means that i need enough EMI and voltage to rearrange the liquid crystal in a twisted nematic direction.
Cool and what? Well here things get more technical (Yes, they can), but we need to things here to make pixels smaller on LCD. We need higher voltage but we wil get a more thick display (and in this case we don't want this) or better LC (Other type of LC or more pure it depends on). This kind of things can get real expansive after some point and the solution is to get more area of electrode in the shape of rectangles.
Actually rectangles pixels are more common than we thinks tube TVs had a rectangles shaped pixels but since our eyes can't see we rarely notice
Honestly I am still with my original elegoo saturn and just print perfect is not 4k or 8 or 12 k but woow the minis looks perfect for my and is not a printer of this kind of insane price
I have broke the FEP foil on my m5s just after first print when resin got sticked to the FEP instead the metal plate. Can i replace it with the one from 3MAX? Thikness is 0.1 - and M5S is 0.3 - but its not available anywhere - have to wait almost a month!
You can replace with any FEP. Just remember to re-level your plate before printing. 😁
Wait for the version with the taller z axis, not that they've announced it - the Saturn 3 has a 260mm Z and Anycubic always has to one up them so expect an M5S T or something along those lines. I bet it will have a 280mm z axis.
Maybe they have applied some learning on the R&D microLED??
Can you put a straight edge across the build plate, I have had a few anycubic build plates that weren't flat
I've had no issues so I guess it's fine.
@@vogman I watched your video, you had issues with small prints not sticking to the center of the plate
In video 10:00, there are three small bumps on the body armor, the Phrozen 8ks seems to keep a slight better detail.
I'm no sure there's anything on those prints that isn't supposed to be there. You can always check against my Phrozen Mini 8KS review as the same model was printed there.
is the anycubin D2 DLP still the best consumer printer for jewellery in ur op?
Right now, in my opinion, yes.
Tnx for the review. The non square pixels are a no go for me. I hope other brands don't have the same issue or I will be skipping this 12K line
In terms of print quality, it doesn't seem to have an adverse effect 😁
@VogMan but if I want clearance in a circular object the pixels needs to be equal.
How does the auto leveling work? Is the cantilever arm motorized?
It's all about Force Detection. The brain of the operation can literally feel the amount of force in place and make adjustments accordingly. How this happens, I've no idea, but it's clever.
@@vogman Yeah, I got the force sensing part. I'm just curious how could it adjust according to the force feedback.
That shower joke got me!🤣
My shower door has a large knob... 😂🤣😂
Great review im glad you tell it how it is, those "smart" features about the detecting the z motor is plugged in.. pointless.
Im very keen to see the athena review. I wonder how it would go with a different fep material like anycubic is using.
There are some bells and whistles here it's true, but it's genuinely not a bad printer. I do like it.
But like you, I'm excited by the technology Athena represents and, in fairness, Anycubic have grasped upon as well.
@@vogman thanks for the reply agreed its not bad printer and the price is pretty good
Hi, I am a complete 3D printing beginner and would like to buy my first 3D printer. Currently there is so much movement on the market that I am unsure what is most interesting. The Mini 8ks from Phrozen seems to be really good. The 12k Anicubic is now starting in a similar price segment and the Saturn 3 from Elegoo will also be launched soon. What would you recommend to me as a 3D printing community?
Greetings Flo
Hi Flo. This is a fast moving industry. In 6 months it will be different again. You need to concentrate on getting what's best for you and don't worry about the choices you make. Accept that at the time, whatever you decide, will be the right choice for THEN.
What are you printing? Is it large, small, plain, detailed, single item, multiples, or a variety of them all.
I will say most beginners struggle with plate levelling and that can cause print failures.
So as an all-rounder, doing big, small, plain, details, multiples, etc, and taking away the hassle of plate levelling, the M5S is a good choice.
As for the S3, that review is coming very soon. Feel free to look out for it... and ask more questions 😁
@@vogman TY for your answer.
I am mainly interested in printing conversion parts for miniatures and possibly some alternative models for 40k and AoS.
I have little fear of calibrations and adjustments, since I am used to the adjustment of laboratory equipment from my student days.
I am mainly looking for a device that has advantages in terms of reliability and maintenance.
With the new force sensors I am worried that it could be a new source of failure. Do you have any recommendations on which devices I should take a closer look at?
In terms of maintenance, it should be an issue with any of them. They just go until the break down. The LED is usually the first thing to go with a lifespan of 2000 hours approx. DLPs have a much longer lifespan, around 10,000 hours and use less electricity. The Anycubic D2 also happens to be my favorite fine detail machine, so I guess that would be my recommendation 😁
Thank you for pointing out the rectangular pixels. This thing is really 9k in the y-axis and I doubt anyone would excited about upgrading to what is really a 9k printer.
I imagine it's just the restraints of the screen technology. It doesn't seem to hurt the print quality. It could turn out to be the new norm. Time will tell.
Yes there is no plug for air purifiers but we can put 2 mobile air purifiers at the back plate ? So is it a big problem ?
Not for me. I'm just demonstrating the differences between the various models. For some folks, no air filters means no purchase 😁
@@vogman thanks 😊
is it possible to keep a the hight setting to .05 and still get a better result
You can get a great result by dialling in the resin properly and supporting the print with care 😁
How does it compare to the D2 and Ultra? I know it is a little different as one is SLA the other is DLP. An the size are very different but the question is more the print output quality.
You must have missed my comments David... it's close, very close, but I give the edge to the Mini 8K and the D2.
@@vogman ah must have missed you saying D2, did hear 8K I'll put it down to old age and listening while also working. Thank you :)
Rectangular pixels sounds weird. Not surprised then that the increased resolution, smeared out over a bigger build plate doesn’t show as much of a step up in printing quality.
Who knows. Maybe rectangular pixels may become the norm. Time will tell.
Using pixel resolution is not a good way of judging the potential print quality of a printer, the xy micron size is far better as that adds the screen size in to the equation, where as straight x y resolution does not (8k looks great on a small printer, but would look nowhere nears as good as the 12k on this one due to size of screen and print bed). As a DLP user, this does not worry me, I am just waiting for a good mid sized DLP (Hopefully with load sensors etc) I'll stick with my D2 for now.
Thanks for the review, always looking forward to your thoroughness.
The rectangular pixel thing is pretty lame. 24 x 19??? I would rather have a smaller build plate with square pixels…
But the other features are nice improvements for the price, and hopefully the rectangular pixels don’t affect dimensional accuracy.
The whole speed claim is kind of evil. Yeah, any print is faster the thicker you make each layer…😅
I’m also nervous that auto level force detection might break easily.
All in all it seems good though for that res with that size build plate at the price.
Just an aside, it’s not really a jump from 8K to 12K. It’s a jump from a mini 22 micron printer to a medium 22 micron printer. A 12K screen on a mini will give you the wow you’re looking for.
I don't think the rectangular pixels is going to matter in any perceptible way at those scales.
You're right about that... if anyone can squeeze 12K into a standard printer, it will be worth seeing 😁
it will not matter, it will be more accurate in one axis by a few microns, but in Y it will be more accurate than in other printers.
We are talking about microns caused by the lcd panel, I suspect that a greater inaccuracy will result from an uneven light source.
the same accuracy can be caused by arranging the model so that its edge will be in the middle of a pixel and we are talking about 12um ... does anyone care about it? after all, if martyca will expose it, it will increase the size of the print by 12um, if it does not expose it, it will decrease.
there is no need to worry about such inaccuracies, even a steel rod changes its dimensions depending on what temperature it is at, let alone the liquid before and after hardening ...
If such dimensional differences are a problem, you still have to take into account the shrinkage after curing and make the print larger and hope that you have calculated correctly.
I'll be very interested to see how it compares to the upcoming Elegoo Saturn 3 12K printers.
I have one here, so I'll let you know soon. 😁
@@vogman the ultra?