No. Especially with two in the bin already, SOMEONE has to go. Review the tape, see if you can find out who. If you can, red for them. If you can't, red the captain for ill discipline.
@@michaelfalkner1186 if you can identify, you can card the culprit, but the video ref can't look at that offence and give a definitive decision because of the noise from the crowd.. And you cannot red card the captain, or any other player for ill discipline unless it's the player who committed the offence.. That's why the ref said he had a suspicion, but couldn't be sure..
Tolly T The captain has to be responsible for the conduct of his players -- and the official made clear that a red card offense had occurred, and he had suspicion as to who. At that point, he has to send somebody off, and let the Tribunal and the like deal with the rest. The fact they already had two in the bin can also be used as a cause for such action against the captain, if all else fails.
@@michaelfalkner1186 I don't disagree that the Captain is responsible, nevertheless under the games laws the referee cannot send someone off (Captain or not) if he is uncertain who committed the offence.. He can Yellow card for that offence, or repeated infringements, but he can't red card without clear evidence of the offender..
I like how everyone agrees that the ref is not to be disrespected. A lot of refs in my high school league wouldn't even allow you to talk to them unless you were wearing the captain band.
When I played social football in my late teens/early 20, we always went to the ref and agreed that only the captain would speak to him, it's a sign of respect I think and doesn't bog the game into he said she said.
@@stuartstone6359 Not a great referee but despite that, still better than most football refs. I do concede that the way football is run at the top (with the desire for minimal stoppages) does kinda keep the game from evolving into the fair and sportsmanship-filled game Rugby is.
Stuart Stone I can’t comment on that. However the way refs are treated by players in football needs to be addressed. Send them off if they abuse the officials
I have zero tolerance for disrespect, & so should everybody. Disrespect is a nail in the coffin of a society. Disrespectful people should be punished severely.
So like the rugby team at my uni who used to trash local pubs and sing songs about hating poor people? Or the rugby team I had the misfortune of sharing a hotel with, who trashed their rooms, intimidated staff and guests and exposed their genitals from their balconies? Or the the rugby fans starting fights in Cardiff and Twickenham on match days? Or the Irish rugby players who raped that young woman and bragged about it on social media? All such respectful characters.
Rowan Coppinger. Working man's sport? With players earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a week. And I don't think many real working men would fall to the ground and roll around crying if another worker brushed against them with all the force of a feather duster.
Well said. When I played back in the storage, the ref addressed both teams and told us what he expected. A good clean game. Any rubbish and you’ll hit the showers early.
This is a rugby video so why bring up football? All you're doing is exposing rugby's collosal inferiority complex. Anyway, respect DOES exist in football. It's just not as widely broadcast as in rugby.
@@strutherhill Thanks for the concern but I'm doing just fine. It's the wellbeing of some rugby fans that I fear for, what with their obsessive behaviour towards a completely unrelated sport. Hopefully they'll get over this eventually and learn to simply enjoy rugby.
I remember him calling a game off while refereeing a local village match when he was learning his trade. I don't think I've seen an official loose control over a match as bad as him. For looking back though
God I wish football refs were like this. They just get trampled on because the players know that they can do anything they like as the refs are too scared to give out cards.
In time, yes. But Nigel's still around!!!! Wales have a good reputation of turning out world class refs such as Clive Norling, Derek Bevan, Nigel and now this lad. His dad was a pretty good ref as well.
Rugby and NFL refs are awesome, tight on discipline, fair with the rules. Football (soccer) ref associations should go train with them - the amount of nonsense in football games directed at refs is ridiculous; cursing, crowding, getting in their face.
@@stevenmcalister826 What SHOULD BE the rule is what told me that. If a referee wants to walk up to the captain and say "He's your player, control him!", he has to have a sanction for the captain if he won't or can't.
@@michaelfalkner1186 Yeah we’ve had this talk before, and no that shouldn’t be the rule. The captain can’t physically control him and hasn’t done anything wrong, so you’re not within your rights to sanction the captain.
@@stevenmcalister826 Yes he can, and the referee, in videos similar to this one (if not in this one) all but demands he does so if necessary. AGAIN: "He's your player, YOU CONTROL HIM." If that's not possible, for whatever reason, then the referee is implying sanctions against the captain. And how we got here was a definitive sending-off offense had been witnessed as occurred, but no one knew WHO made the statement. At that point, it falls on the captain. Maybe sending a few captains off will get decorum on some of these teams.
@@michaelfalkner1186 The referee can say “he’s your player, you control him” all he wants. That doesn’t mean it’s possible. Send off the player who committed the offence, don’t use the captain as a cop out. And I can guarantee that sending off the captain won’t makes teams any better, they’ll start making complaints about the referee having too much power to send off anyone he likes. The captain isn’t responsible for every single incident that happens on the pitch. You’re only entitled to send off a guilty player, the captain isn’t the scapegoat for everything.
Is there fitness tests for refs in Pro 12? (honest question out of curiosity) In South Africa it's extremely stringent at all professional levels ( even from Craven week for that matter.). I'm not saying a less fit guy is a worse ref and I know the game up north is slower, but I can't see this ref being allowed to ref Super Rugby or even Currie Cup (if he was South African) even assistant ref would be a stretch.... This is my first time seeing him and I know you can't judge from one view, but I would just like some insight from someone who is more knowledgeable on the subject.
Probably by the year 2045 we might see this kind of respect to the referees in soccer worldwide and players to, I know I be probably to old 😅 arriba las chivas
Good job ref! Especially against the shitty, little one horse town of Llanelli who beat the All Black's midweek dirtrackers in '72 Not that the Scarlets like to boast about it though!
Like bouncers and cops on a power trip. You’re full of adrenaline, you’re emotional, you’re passionate, you’re giving it 100%... and then the ref starts whining and talking to you like you’re a child, just because you swear in frustration
This video is supposed to be a celebration of rugby so are so many people on here talking about football? This weird inferiority complex does rugby no favours whatsoever and it needs to stop.
MEWeavers 100% correct! Rugby doesn't have rules, it has laws. If you break those laws the referee will completely and utterly fuck you, and rightfully so.
Also respect is tantamount to the game, it's absolutely the core value of it. If you act with disrespect towards players, officials, or the laws of the game you should expect at best a stern warning with it quickly getting uglier for you from there.
balf1111117373 no you dumb fuck it was not about a question being asked it was about calling fuck in the game. Rugby is all about disciplines and obeying the ref. If the players not doing that mean they are playing the wrong game. Soccer is more likely the game for those
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Oh my god I can't get enough of the Metal Gear Solid exclamation mark!
Good job from the ref. I think it's one of the things that makes rugby different, that makes it stand out from other sports like football(Argentina).
No. Especially with two in the bin already, SOMEONE has to go.
Review the tape, see if you can find out who. If you can, red for them.
If you can't, red the captain for ill discipline.
@@michaelfalkner1186 if you can identify, you can card the culprit, but the video ref can't look at that offence and give a definitive decision because of the noise from the crowd.. And you cannot red card the captain, or any other player for ill discipline unless it's the player who committed the offence.. That's why the ref said he had a suspicion, but couldn't be sure..
Tolly T The captain has to be responsible for the conduct of his players -- and the official made clear that a red card offense had occurred, and he had suspicion as to who. At that point, he has to send somebody off, and let the Tribunal and the like deal with the rest.
The fact they already had two in the bin can also be used as a cause for such action against the captain, if all else fails.
@@michaelfalkner1186 I don't disagree that the Captain is responsible, nevertheless under the games laws the referee cannot send someone off (Captain or not) if he is uncertain who committed the offence.. He can Yellow card for that offence, or repeated infringements, but he can't red card without clear evidence of the offender..
Why the needless comparison with football? Can't you just be happy about the good refereeing? What's football got to do with it?
I like how everyone agrees that the ref is not to be disrespected. A lot of refs in my high school league wouldn't even allow you to talk to them unless you were wearing the captain band.
That's how it should be in high school
Thats how it used to be. Its since the dosh came in that it meant a whole lot more, that all players seem to want to stick their ore in
When I played social football in my late teens/early 20, we always went to the ref and agreed that only the captain would speak to him, it's a sign of respect I think and doesn't bog the game into he said she said.
Good to hear them give a warning, calms everyone down and stops the game getting out of hand
I really like rugby referees
need refs like this in the premier league.
Martyn James no you don't he is one of the worst refs in the game
@@stuartstone6359 Not a great referee but despite that, still better than most football refs. I do concede that the way football is run at the top (with the desire for minimal stoppages) does kinda keep the game from evolving into the fair and sportsmanship-filled game Rugby is.
Stuart Stone I can’t comment on that. However the way refs are treated by players in football needs to be addressed. Send them off if they abuse the officials
If you’re not the captain you can only go near the referee if he calls your name or number.
I have zero tolerance for disrespect, & so should everybody. Disrespect is a nail in the coffin of a society. Disrespectful people should be punished severely.
So like the rugby team at my uni who used to trash local pubs and sing songs about hating poor people? Or the rugby team I had the misfortune of sharing a hotel with, who trashed their rooms, intimidated staff and guests and exposed their genitals from their balconies? Or the the rugby fans starting fights in Cardiff and Twickenham on match days? Or the Irish rugby players who raped that young woman and bragged about it on social media? All such respectful characters.
@@Leifr952 yes...punishment equals deterring
How would football prima donnas cope if their referees actually enforced the rules against foul language?
Working mans sport, who cares about that bollocks
Rowan Coppinger. Working man's sport? With players earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a week. And I don't think many real working men would fall to the ground and roll around crying if another worker brushed against them with all the force of a feather duster.
Rules against foul language???? I don't think there are rules against foul language in rugby....
Rowan Coppinger refs would get annihilated by the media
@@keithniwa6147 There are, it's called indecent conduct and is a penalty offence.
Well said. When I played back in the storage, the ref addressed both teams and told us what he expected. A good clean game. Any rubbish and you’ll hit the showers early.
Excellent refereeing! If only the winter game played with the round ball could introduce comparable levels of respect and discipline.
This is a rugby video so why bring up football? All you're doing is exposing rugby's collosal inferiority complex. Anyway, respect DOES exist in football. It's just not as widely broadcast as in rugby.
@@Leifr952 You seem to be very vexed about something. Perhaps with the right care and medication you'll get over whatever it is.
@@strutherhill Thanks for the concern but I'm doing just fine. It's the wellbeing of some rugby fans that I fear for, what with their obsessive behaviour towards a completely unrelated sport. Hopefully they'll get over this eventually and learn to simply enjoy rugby.
yeah it is definitely Williams who shouts at him
I remember him calling a game off while refereeing a local village match when he was learning his trade. I don't think I've seen an official loose control over a match as bad as him. For looking back though
Abuse of officials in sport is a nono and anyone who is? They should be dealt with severely!
The ref wearing an add for specsavers 🤣
God I wish football refs were like this. They just get trampled on because the players know that they can do anything they like as the refs are too scared to give out cards.
Football refs have a brown envelope in the changing rooms in football
I can't believe he's only 24 in this
How do we convince these rugby refs to move to the prem, sick of seeing players mob the ref begging for cards to be dealt out
Spot on ref
Bravo, Ben. That was tremendously even-keeled
Ben Whitehouse is my favourite referee for this exact reason!
Well that’s something for him. Because he’s not anyone’s favourite for any other reason. Especially not his actual refereeing ability.
Well done, Ref.... !
Nigel Owen's successor?
Not in the same league in my opinion.
In time, yes. But Nigel's still around!!!! Wales have a good reputation of turning out world class refs such as Clive Norling, Derek Bevan, Nigel and now this lad. His dad was a pretty good ref as well.
Not quite got it in my view. Still a few more seasons to get the respect from the players yet.
Absolutely not
Lol that exclamation mark hahaha
Rugby and NFL refs are awesome, tight on discipline, fair with the rules. Football (soccer) ref associations should go train with them - the amount of nonsense in football games directed at refs is ridiculous; cursing, crowding, getting in their face.
But he will tolerate punches and eye gouging.
Love it!
Ruined our opening game against Glasgow this season
Are you watching FIFA?
should be cleaning up the footy matches, this guy is ace
Great show
I only heard scrum.
"ref are you having a fucking laugh" ............................
Which pixel is Whitehouse?
No, if he can't pick out who, he sends off the captain.
No, who told you that?
@@stevenmcalister826 What SHOULD BE the rule is what told me that.
If a referee wants to walk up to the captain and say "He's your player, control him!", he has to have a sanction for the captain if he won't or can't.
@@michaelfalkner1186 Yeah we’ve had this talk before, and no that shouldn’t be the rule. The captain can’t physically control him and hasn’t done anything wrong, so you’re not within your rights to sanction the captain.
@@stevenmcalister826 Yes he can, and the referee, in videos similar to this one (if not in this one) all but demands he does so if necessary.
AGAIN: "He's your player, YOU CONTROL HIM." If that's not possible, for whatever reason, then the referee is implying sanctions against the captain.
And how we got here was a definitive sending-off offense had been witnessed as occurred, but no one knew WHO made the statement. At that point, it falls on the captain.
Maybe sending a few captains off will get decorum on some of these teams.
@@michaelfalkner1186 The referee can say “he’s your player, you control him” all he wants. That doesn’t mean it’s possible.
Send off the player who committed the offence, don’t use the captain as a cop out. And I can guarantee that sending off the captain won’t makes teams any better, they’ll start making complaints about the referee having too much power to send off anyone he likes.
The captain isn’t responsible for every single incident that happens on the pitch. You’re only entitled to send off a guilty player, the captain isn’t the scapegoat for everything.
Every ref should be the same, refs of the wendyball game take note...
This is a rugby video so why bring up football?
Is there fitness tests for refs in Pro 12? (honest question out of curiosity) In South Africa it's extremely stringent at all professional levels ( even from Craven week for that matter.). I'm not saying a less fit guy is a worse ref and I know the game up north is slower, but I can't see this ref being allowed to ref Super Rugby or even Currie Cup (if he was South African) even assistant ref would be a stretch.... This is my first time seeing him and I know you can't judge from one view, but I would just like some insight from someone who is more knowledgeable on the subject.
Ya all pro refs are tested. If he can pass them he passes doesnt matter his appearance tbf
Don't disrespect the ref
They could do with referees like this in football.
Probably by the year 2045 we might see this kind of respect to the referees in soccer worldwide and players to, I know I be probably to old 😅 arriba las chivas
I don't know jack shit about rugby but I am sure their referees should be officiating FIFA sanctioned matches.
Good job ref! Especially against the shitty, little one horse town of
Llanelli who beat the All Black's midweek dirtrackers in '72 Not that the Scarlets like to boast about it though!
pity footy refs can't step up!!
Pity rugby can't stop talking about football!
69 dislikes.
Soccer fans?
Reckon Scarlets fans would be with him on that one.
No, just 69 people sick of rugby's sanctimonious preaching.
@@Leifr952 But .... they are Soccer fans right?
🤭
@@ploppysonofploppy6066 Not necessarily. Funny how rugby fans can't stop talking about football 😁
@@Leifr952 Been 6 months now. I've talked about loads of things most of them not soccer.
Haven't spoken about South Africa mind.😖
@@ploppysonofploppy6066 What's South Africa got to do with it?
Standard in the F.A., Premier League isn't it? Not in Rugby though I see.
This is a rugby video so why bring up football?
Like bouncers and cops on a power trip. You’re full of adrenaline, you’re emotional, you’re passionate, you’re giving it 100%... and then the ref starts whining and talking to you like you’re a child, just because you swear in frustration
This video is supposed to be a celebration of rugby so are so many people on here talking about football? This weird inferiority complex does rugby no favours whatsoever and it needs to stop.
Have some respect, it’s rugby. It the fucking soccer
lol , bent
Ben whitehouse is one of the worst refs in rugby .. slows games down and is inconsistent.. and doesn't back himself uses tmo way too much
Use of TMO isn’t a bad thing. He’s getting there.
Thought rugby was all about respect for the ref? Is this just another myth perpetuated by the sport?
Ben Whitehouse needs to stop eating all the pies !!!
Owens wannabe
Typical dramatic northern hemisphere rugby. Such wet blankets
Okay he's a cop or a car parking attendant, big deal.
So the ref was willing to ruin a good game because a player asked a question? Madness
MEWeavers 100% correct! Rugby doesn't have rules, it has laws. If you break those laws the referee will completely and utterly fuck you, and rightfully so.
Also respect is tantamount to the game, it's absolutely the core value of it. If you act with disrespect towards players, officials, or the laws of the game you should expect at best a stern warning with it quickly getting uglier for you from there.
You obviously don't understand the laws of the game son.
balf1111117373 no you dumb fuck it was not about a question being asked it was about calling fuck in the game. Rugby is all about disciplines and obeying the ref. If the players not doing that mean they are playing the wrong game. Soccer is more likely the game for those
balf1111117373 A player was willing to ruin a good game by swearing at a ref.